Matrix Games Forums

 Forums  Register  Login  Photo Gallery  Member List  Search  Calendars  FAQ 

My Profile  Inbox  Address Book  My Subscription  My Forums  Log Out

RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball)

 
View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >> [New Releases from Matrix Games] >> Gary Grigsby's War in the East Series >> After Action Reports >> RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) Page: <<   < prev  1 2 [3] 4 5   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 1/26/2012 3:25:28 AM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline 		The Vyzama Pocket




Attachment (1)

< Message edited by JAMiAM -- 1/26/2012 3:29:26 AM >

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 61
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 1/26/2012 3:25:49 AM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline 		The pocket in more detail.




Attachment (1)

< Message edited by JAMiAM -- 1/26/2012 3:30:22 AM >

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 62
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 1/26/2012 3:26:02 AM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline 		Turn 12 losses and OOB.




Attachment (1)

< Message edited by JAMiAM -- 1/26/2012 3:31:11 AM >

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 63
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 1/26/2012 4:45:36 AM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline 		The campaign in the woods...




Attachment (1)

< Message edited by JAMiAM -- 1/26/2012 4:47:20 AM >

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 64
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 1/26/2012 4:45:47 AM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline 		The campaign in the other woods...




Attachment (1)

< Message edited by JAMiAM -- 1/26/2012 4:48:55 AM >

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 65
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 1/26/2012 4:45:58 AM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline 		Looking closer...




Attachment (1)

< Message edited by JAMiAM -- 1/26/2012 4:50:02 AM >

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 66
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 1/26/2012 4:46:11 AM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline 		The South. Prepared for the next big ZOMGWTFBBQ?!?!




Attachment (1)

< Message edited by JAMiAM -- 1/26/2012 4:51:50 AM >

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 67
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 1/26/2012 4:46:25 AM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline 		Losses and OOB at the end of my Turn 13.




Attachment (1)

< Message edited by JAMiAM -- 1/26/2012 4:52:55 AM >

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 68
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 1/26/2012 12:11:39 PM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1312
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		Nice AAR and finally someone who has morale as the soft factor too!
One devilish remark I can't resist though, YOU are doing HQ build-ups?

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 69
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 1/26/2012 4:22:58 PM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: glvaca
One devilish remark I can't resist though, YOU are doing HQ build-ups?

Why wouldn't I? It's a useful tool, if you don't overuse it. I done very few in the game, thus far. I want to save my trucks.

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 70
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 1/26/2012 4:24:07 PM   
Flaviusx


Posts: 7750
Joined: 9/9/2009
From: Southern California
Status: offline 		James uses buildups sparingly, not promiscuously. That's not the secret of his success. He is not a panzer pusher.

< Message edited by Flaviusx -- 1/26/2012 4:25:44 PM >

_____________________________

WitE Alpha Tester

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 71
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 1/26/2012 4:53:39 PM   
Helpless


Posts: 15793
Joined: 8/27/2004
Status: offline 		Katyusha and the Monkey






Attachment (1)

_____________________________

Pavel Zagzin
WITE/WITW/WITE-2 Development

(in reply to Flaviusx)
Post #: 72
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 1/26/2012 4:57:36 PM   
glvaca

 

Posts: 1312
Joined: 6/13/2006
Status: offline 		Oh, as I said, just joking. And I have no problem using it, at all.
Just remembered a Pelton bashing post were you sort of, euh, made fun of Pelton using it. Together with Flaviusx off course who immediately comes to your defense

You know, you say panzer pushing as if it is something bad, as if it is something gamey. IMO, it's and art and very difficult to do just right. But if you can, it will help you and could be decisive. And would I be saying something totally rediculous if I would say Guderian was the ultimate panzer pusher of all time?

Besides, is there something like WitE HQ buildup police? What's promiscously and what is accepted as "good play"?

I would hope that instead off the pro-axis versus pro-soviet gangbangs of late, perhaps we could all regain some objectivity?

(in reply to Flaviusx)
Post #: 73
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 1/26/2012 6:10:22 PM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: glvaca

Just remembered a Pelton bashing post were you sort of, euh, made fun of Pelton using it. Together with Flaviusx off course who immediately comes to your defense

I've made fun of Pelton on a lot of things - mostly when he goes overboard on a rant - but I don't recall ever making fun of him with respect to HQ Buildups. I think that he overuses them, to his long-term detriment, but that's just my opinion.

quote:

ORIGINAL: glvaca
You know, you say panzer pushing as if it is something bad, as if it is something gamey. IMO, it's and art and very difficult to do just right. But if you can, it will help you and could be decisive. And would I be saying something totally rediculous if I would say Guderian was the ultimate panzer pusher of all time?


I'm getting the feeling that you may be confusing me with someone else. I've never said anything like that. Please correct me with a cited quotation, if I'm wrong.


quote:

ORIGINAL: glvaca
Besides, is there something like WitE HQ buildup police? What's promiscously and what is accepted as "good play"?

Anything I do is "good play" and anything more is "promiscuous"...


quote:

ORIGINAL: glvaca
I would hope that instead off the pro-axis versus pro-soviet gangbangs of late, perhaps we could all regain some objectivity?

I agree. I play both sides, with about a 70:30 split, Axis:Soviets. I'll be starting another AAR soon, for a Soviet game that I took over from Toidi at the beginning of "March Madness". Tune in there for a chance to see me tell how everyone else in the world, but me, is doing it wrong...

(in reply to glvaca)
Post #: 74
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 1/26/2012 6:20:58 PM   
Flaviusx


Posts: 7750
Joined: 9/9/2009
From: Southern California
Status: offline 		Glavca, it's not about policing anything. I just have a much higher regard for the level of play that James possesses than mere panzer pushing. He does true combined arms operations. He understands, better than any Axis player I've yet met, how morale in this game really works and how to take advantage of it and the value of momentum. He also fully integrates infantry in his operations and pushes them aggressively -- and that's what distinguishes him from the more stereotypical panzer pusher, who just rushes those guys around and doesn't really understand at a gut level the interplay between them and the grunts. James is absolutely fanatical about knocking out forts and will always keep his infantry busy doing this, which is exactly right.

The incredibly forgiving HQ buildup in this game allows for this panzer abuse, but it's actually not the best or most dangerous way to play the Germans.

James' landsers are every bit as dangerous as his panzers.





< Message edited by Flaviusx -- 1/26/2012 6:21:30 PM >

_____________________________

WitE Alpha Tester

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 75
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 1/26/2012 8:02:18 PM   
DivePac88


Posts: 3119
Joined: 10/9/2008
From: Somewhere in the South Pacific.
Status: offline 		+1, agree there.

JAMiAM is probably the best all-arms exponent with an active AAR. You will notice how Q-ball, had very limited counter-attack opportunities in the opening turns. This is in my view, because JAMiAM didn't push his mobile units too far forward.

I think that some players go for depth in the first turns, at the cost of stability of position. Resulting in them spending time and fuel in turns 2 and 3, extracting trapped units. I think that JAMiAM understands that turn 1, is also about creating good jump-off positions for the next several turns.

_____________________________


When you see the Southern Cross, For the first time
You understand now, Why you came this way

(in reply to Flaviusx)
Post #: 76
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 1/27/2012 3:02:04 PM   
Peltonx


Posts: 7250
Joined: 4/9/2006
Status: offline 		Q-ball was doing ok until turn 8, which was a major disaster. I haven't had anyone hand me a hanging piece of friut like that in a long time.

I was really surpised also he did not do the normal with drawal in the south behind the rivers, which is what probaly lead to that T8 disaster.

Once you got that uber pocket, the writing was on the wall for the rest of the summer.

He can't recover from that brain fart vs a good German player.

Game set match from T8 until he resigns.

Good AAR, thanks for posting info.

Pelton

_____________________________

Beta Tester WitW & WitE

(in reply to DivePac88)
Post #: 77
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 1/27/2012 3:13:30 PM   
Flaviusx


Posts: 7750
Joined: 9/9/2009
From: Southern California
Status: offline 		I hardly think that Q-ball's position is so disastrous as that. He's probably going to lose Moscow. But James has real issues down south. Q-ball has shown how dangerous he can be in the blizzard if you leave him alone at or near the lower Dnepr.

Q-ball's real error, imo, was letting Leningrad go so easily. That's what's making Moscow doable. You have to keep PG4 busy up there as long as possible.

_____________________________

WitE Alpha Tester

(in reply to Peltonx)
Post #: 78
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 1/27/2012 5:36:14 PM   
Peltonx


Posts: 7250
Joined: 4/9/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

I hardly think that Q-ball's position is so disastrous as that. He's probably going to lose Moscow. But James has real issues down south. Q-ball has shown how dangerous he can be in the blizzard if you leave him alone at or near the lower Dnepr.

Q-ball's real error, imo, was letting Leningrad go so easily. That's what's making Moscow doable. You have to keep PG4 busy up there as long as possible.



Yes Leningrad did fall quickly I was surpised. James tactics were different yet effective. I thk Q-ball had never seen it so did not react correctly.

The mistake in the center was huge, vs a good German player a mistake like that so early in the game + Leningrad falling before turn 12+ spelled distater for the rest of the summer.

Q-ball is one of the best at blizzard O, but hes going to have little left to recover from the massive losses he is suffering.

James is not done yet with 1941 also.

Pelton


_____________________________

Beta Tester WitW & WitE

(in reply to Flaviusx)
Post #: 79
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 2/1/2012 5:23:22 AM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline 		A look at the north.




Attachment (1)

< Message edited by JAMiAM -- 2/1/2012 5:25:09 AM >

(in reply to Peltonx)
Post #: 80
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 2/1/2012 5:23:33 AM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline 		The developing Valdai-Rzhev salient.




Attachment (1)

< Message edited by JAMiAM -- 2/1/2012 5:26:31 AM >

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 81
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 2/1/2012 5:23:45 AM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline 		A big view of the Center.




Attachment (1)

< Message edited by JAMiAM -- 2/1/2012 5:27:35 AM >

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 82
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 2/1/2012 5:23:55 AM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline 		Detail near Moscow.




Attachment (1)

< Message edited by JAMiAM -- 2/1/2012 5:28:19 AM >

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 83
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 2/1/2012 5:24:07 AM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline 		The big picture in the South.




Attachment (1)

< Message edited by JAMiAM -- 2/1/2012 5:30:07 AM >

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 84
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 2/1/2012 5:24:20 AM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline 		An analysis of Q-Ball's potential relief efforts for the Kharkov-Belgorod Pocket.




Attachment (1)

< Message edited by JAMiAM -- 2/1/2012 5:31:43 AM >

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 85
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 2/1/2012 5:24:32 AM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline 		The losses and OOB.




Attachment (1)

< Message edited by JAMiAM -- 2/1/2012 5:32:31 AM >

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 86
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 2/6/2012 6:12:28 AM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline 		The big picture in the North.




Attachment (1)

< Message edited by JAMiAM -- 2/6/2012 6:15:15 AM >

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 87
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 2/6/2012 6:12:39 AM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline 		The action around Moscow.




Attachment (1)

< Message edited by JAMiAM -- 2/6/2012 6:15:47 AM >

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 88
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 2/6/2012 6:12:52 AM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline 		The part of the front where almost nothing is happening...




Attachment (1)

< Message edited by JAMiAM -- 2/6/2012 6:16:32 AM >

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 89
RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) - 2/6/2012 6:13:04 AM   
JAMiAM

 

Posts: 6165
Joined: 2/8/2004
Status: offline 		The big picture in the South.




Attachment (1)

< Message edited by JAMiAM -- 2/6/2012 6:17:10 AM >

(in reply to JAMiAM)
Post #: 90
Page:   <<   < prev  1 2 [3] 4 5   next >   >>
All Forums >> [New Releases from Matrix Games] >> Gary Grigsby's War in the East Series >> After Action Reports >> RE: Katyusha and the Monkey: A Grinder's Tale (no Q-Ball) Page: <<   < prev  1 2 [3] 4 5   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts


Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition 2.4.5 ANSI

0.875