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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/9/2014 5:04:14 PM

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AIRFRAMES AND ENGINES
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Here is the big picture with engines and airframes. This should give a decent idea of the larger scope of airframe and engine production for this game.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/9/2014 6:05:51 PM

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Good to see numbers. I see some places where you overproduced, and yet when you tally it all up, you "only" spent 2,538,036 HI on planes. Tried attaching my spreadsheet in .xlsx, .xls, and .zip, but it kept telling me not supported.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/9/2014 6:14:03 PM

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Just add an .txt and I think it will allow you to upload!

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/9/2014 6:16:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

Good to see numbers. I see some places where you overproduced, and yet when you tally it all up, you "only" spent 2,538,036 HI on planes. Tried attaching my spreadsheet in .xlsx, .xls, and .zip, but it kept telling me not supported.

The thing is, I'm not at all concerned with overproducing now, as there is plenty of HI. Where I could have saved is in using the air groups less in order to save supply, both from daily use costs and replenishing/upgrading air groups.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/9/2014 8:52:09 PM

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POOLS - TR-P
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I forgot to add the transport and patrol pools.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/9/2014 9:05:44 PM

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IJ AIR LOSSES
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Here is a look at air losses by category. I'll post a full list later as well.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/9/2014 9:24:14 PM

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ALLIED AIR LOSSES
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Here is the list of the top Allied air losses. It's surprising how many Corsairs are actually on this list, but also the P-47s. I mainly pu this up to compare to Jocke's list for FOW.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/9/2014 9:28:53 PM

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TOP PILOTS
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After 1302 turns I couldn't get any of these up over 12 kills. Some did last the entire war though, which is impressive.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/9/2014 9:57:00 PM

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CV LOSSES
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When I made this screenshot I didn't think to put them in chronological order, but this seems the most interesting right now, so I rearranged them the old-fashioned way!

At the end the IJN still has 7 CVs in good working order (or will in less than a week when the Kasagi and Katsuragi would have gotten out of the shipyards). Two others, the Taiho and the Kaga, might have been able to be used in a one shot strike.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/9/2014 10:03:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Since I was in Jocke's AAR from the beginning, I stayed out of yours until you got near the end of '44. It was great to see what was possible as Japan, especially with your NFs. Your AAR will change the strategy of how Allied players use their B-29s and what targets to select for strategic bombing.

While players love to see the sinking of CAs and BBs, the steady loss of your DD fleet hurt you by the end. Hopefully, that will happen with Olorin (Nick) in our game (March '44).

Thanks for your efforts to provide so much insight to your play. I will try to apply the lessons learned here rather than relearn them the hard way.

KUDOS!!

Thanks Michael.

I'm curious what you mean about the DD losses hurting me in the end. Actually I didn't really feel too short. I did use a lot of the 27 knot Matsu class, but they did as well as the better IJN DDs by the end, (none of them doing very well, that is). They were really only there for sub protection by 45, and in every encounter the IJN would lose 2x the DDs of the Allies.

Let me know what you mean if you have time. I'd love to know what you're referring to in relation to the DDs.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/10/2014 9:21:19 AM

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Kudos to both of you for a very entertaining and informative journey...

Must feel very weird having finished.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/10/2014 10:36:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3

Kudos to both of you for a very entertaining and informative journey...

Must feel very weird having finished.

Roger

It does! I'm going through al of this data now though which is also kind of fun.

I wish I had a full tracker list for the whole game, but alas had to reinstall when we updated and it is only for the past 300 days or so. But I can go back through my own posts. I'm interested in the things we don't see as often caught in th edgily concerns and struggles , and also which things really worked and which others really didn't. It's fun in another way and will hopefully give me some good things to test as well.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/10/2014 10:53:39 AM

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Good job on hanging on so long ! I am going to miss my lunchtime ritual of reading your AAR

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/10/2014 11:31:25 AM

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Well played Obvert and many many thanks for a great read and the effort you put into the game and AAR

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/10/2014 11:56:11 AM

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FINAL RUN
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As a parting shot to the game we did a post-game test run with different settings on the last turn. It taught me some things, even to the last here.

If setting a bombardment, no matter what you think you might need, go for flank speed if you really need to get there. This turn the BBs arrived in Moppo, got creamed by a bunch of CLs and DDs, and two were sunk with the rest slinking back damaged. The IJN CLs did well, as did the CAs, and survived the encounters for the most part. Lots of small ships were sunk.

I also have some things to wonder about and test more. The sweeps I sent to Moppo, nearly 1,000 planes total, didn't really do much in spite of huge numbers coming in together. I've noticed this a lot in the later game with the Japanese sweeps, less so with the Allied big sweeps. They seem to devastate CAP, where ours had very small results for the number of planes involved. Watching the replay it seemed to be only about 10-15 actual engagements before they all broke off and the next groups arrived. Nothing like 200 passes. Maybe it was just the thunderstorms in Moppo this day.

Here are some edited reports.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 1, 45
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 12,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 2 destroyed
SOC-1 Seagull: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 4, on fire
BB Yamato, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1
BB Musashi, Shell hits 10
BB Fuso, Shell hits 14, on fire
BB Ise, Shell hits 4
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 9
DD Hinoki, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Kashi, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Kaya, Shell hits 1
DD Nara, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Tsubaki, Shell hits 13, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Keyaki, Shell hits 1
DD Yanagi, Shell hits 19, and is sunk
DD Odake, Shell hits 8, heavy fires
DD Kaba, Shell hits 3

Allied Ships
CL Birmingham, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
CL Vicksburg, Shell hits 4, on fire
CL Dayton, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
DD Hugh W. Hadley, Shell hits 1
DD Wallace Lind
DD Massey
DD Gregory, Shell hits 1
DD Longshaw
DD Terry, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
DD Van Valkenburgh, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
DD Waller
DD Benham II

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 57% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 24,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 24,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 12,000 yards
Lange M. crosses the 'T' -------------------------------------------Tanaka is in command of the IJN here
CL Vicksburg engages DD Yanagi at 12,000 yards
DD Kashi engages DD Benham II at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
DD Van Valkenburgh sunk by BB Mutsu at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
BB Musashi engages CL Birmingham at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
DD Yanagi sunk by CL Dayton at 5,000 yards
Lange M. orders Allied TF to disengage
Range closes to 4,000 yards
Range increases to 9,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages CL Vicksburg at 9,000 yards
Lange M. orders Allied TF to disengage
BB Hyuga engages CL Dayton at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
CL Dayton sunk by BB Ise at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 15,000 yards
DD Terry sunk by BB Musashi at 15,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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After this battle the Yamato and Fuso were put in an Escort TF with 5 DDs. This along with two DD mine hits tok out most of the escorts for the remaining BBs.
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Maya
CA Nachi
CA Mikuma, Shell hits 2
DD Shigure, Shell hits 1
DD Yudachi
DD Yamakaze, Shell hits 1
DD Suzukaze, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Fletcher
DD Ammen
DD Anthony
DD Bell
DD Bennion
DD Bullard
DD Bush, Shell hits 1
DD Cogswell, Shell hits 1
DD Converse, Shell hits 1
DD Daly
DD Heywood Edwards, Shell hits 1
DD Erben, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 57% moonlight: 11,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 12,000 yards
CA Mikuma engages DD Cogswell at 12,000 yards
DD Erben sunk by CA Maya at 6,000 yards
DD Fletcher engages DD Yudachi at 13,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Maya
CA Nachi, Shell hits 1
CA Mikuma, Shell hits 2
DD Shigure, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Yudachi, Shell hits 1
DD Yamakaze, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Suzukaze, Shell hits 2, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Compton
DD Drexler
DD Douglas Fox, Shell hits 1
DD Gainard, Shell hits 1
DD Heermann
DD Mullany
DD Sproston
DD Gwin
DD Walke II, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Laffey II, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD O' Brien II
DD Aaron Ward II, Shell hits 1, on fire

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 57% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 24,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 12,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 12,000 yards
Coward, Jesse G. crosses the 'T'
CA Mikuma engages DD Mullany at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
CA Mikuma engages DD Gainard at 9,000 yards
Watanabe, Seishichi orders Japanese TF to disengage
Task forces break off...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 9,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 3
BB Musashi, Shell hits 32, on fire
BB Ise, Shell hits 3
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 6
DD Kaya, Shell hits 15, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Boston, Shell hits 2
CA Pittsburgh, Shell hits 11, on fire
CA St. Paul, Shell hits 1
DD Brush
DD Hyman, Shell hits 1
DD Maddox
DD Mansfield
DD Moale
DD Samuel Moore
DD Lyman K. Swenson
DD Taussig
DD Hazelwood
CA Canberra II, Shell hits 10, heavy fires
CA Quincy II, Shell hits 23, and is sunk

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 46% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 24,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 24,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 9,000 yards
Tanaka, Raizo crosses the 'T'
BB Hyuga engages CA Quincy II at 9,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards
BB Musashi engages CA Quincy II at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
BB Musashi engages CA Quincy II at 5,000 yards
Massive explosion on CA Quincy II
Range closes to 2,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages CA Quincy II at 2,000 yards ----------------------- !!!!
DD Kaya sunk by DD Taussig at 2,000 yards
Tanaka, Raizo orders Japanese TF to disengage
Range increases to 15,000 yards
BB Ise engages CA Quincy II at 15,000 yards
CA Quincy II sunk by BB Mutsu at 15,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Oyodo, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
CL Yahagi
CL Kiso, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Kisaragi, Shell hits 1
DD Satsuki, Shell hits 1
DD Yakaze, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
BB South Dakota
BB Indiana
BB Massachusetts
BB Alabama, Shell hits 2
DD Cotten, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Irwin
DD Cassin Young
DD Little II
DD Porter II
DD Frej
DD Loke
DD Blue II

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 46% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 12,000 yards
Keene O. crosses the 'T'
BB Alabama engages CL Kiso at 12,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 14,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato, Shell hits 28, on fire, heavy damage
BB Fuso, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Hinoki, on fire
DD Nara, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Keyaki, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Odake, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Kaba, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
BB South Dakota, Shell hits 3
BB Indiana, Shell hits 2
BB Massachusetts
BB Alabama, Shell hits 16, on fire
DD Cotten, on fire
DD Irwin
DD Cassin Young
DD Little II
DD Porter II
DD Frej
DD Loke, Shell hits 1
DD Blue II

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 46% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 28,000 yards
Range closes to 26,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 20,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 14,000 yards
BB Alabama engages BB Yamato at 14,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
BB Yamato engages BB Alabama at 5,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
BB Fuso engages BB Alabama at 2,000 yards
Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape -------------------------------Not sure how these damaged and slower ships got away, but ...
Task forces break off...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 14,000 Yards

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1b Jake: 3 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB Fuso, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Hinoki, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Nara, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Keyaki, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Odake, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Kaba, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CL Emerald
CL Bermuda
CL Kenya
CL Caradoc
DD Ulster
DD Ulysses
DD Undaunted
DD Undine
DD Urania
DD Whelp
DD Whirlwind
DD Wizard

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 46% moonlight: 11,000 yards
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 14,000 yards
BB Yamato engages CL Caradoc at 14,000 yards
Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 14,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso, Shell hits 16, on fire
DD Hinoki, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Keyaki, Shell hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Odake, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
DD Kaba, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CL Duluth
CL Topeka
CL Oklahoma City
DD Brown
DD Cowell
DD Hoel
DD Mayo
DD Madison
DD Charles Hughes
DD Benson
DD Gleaves
DD Niblack
CL Atlanta II, Shell hits 1

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 46% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 14,000 Yards

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1b Jake: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso, Shell hits 152, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Hinoki, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Keyaki, Shell hits 5, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CL Columbia
CL Biloxi
DD Bennett
DD Charrette
DD Chevalier
DD Conway
DD Cony
DD DeHaven
DD Radford
DD Spence
CL Valkyria, Shell hits 2
CL Mjollner, Shell hits 1

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 46% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Pre-Invasion action off Gunzan (102,52)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

280 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LSM(R)-188
LSM(R)-199
LCI(G)-470
LCI(G)-469
LCI(G)-468
LCI(G)-454
LCI(G)-453
LCI(G)-452
LCI(G)-451
LCI(G)-450
LCI(G)-449
LCI(G)-442
LCI(G)-441
LCI(G)-440
LCI(G)-439
LCI(G)-438
LCI(G)-437
LCI(G)-408
LCI(G)-407
LCI(G)-406
LCI(G)-405
LCI(G)-404
LCI(G)-403
LCI(G)-401
LCI(G)-398
LCI(M)-805
LCI(M)-804
LCI(M)-802
LCI(M)-801
LCI(M)-674
LCI(M)-673
LCI(M)-670
LCI(M)-669
LCI(M)-664
LCI(M)-660
LCI(M)-659
LCI(M)-658
LCI(M)-633
LCI(M)-632
LCI(M)-631
LCI(R)-648
LCI(R)-647
LCI(R)-646
LCI(R)-645
LCI(R)-644
LCI(R)-643
LCI(R)-642
LCI(R)-342
LCI(R)-341
LCI(R)-340
LCI(R)-339
LCI(R)-338
LCI(R)-337
LCI(R)-230
LCI(R)-226
LCI(R)-225
LCI(R)-224
LCI(R)-74
LCI(R)-73
LCI(R)-72
LSM(R)-198
LSM(R)-197
LSM(R)-196
LSM(R)-195
LSM(R)-194
LSM(R)-193
LSM(R)-192
LSM(R)-191
LSM(R)-190
LSM(R)-189
LSM-413
LSM-417, Shell hits 1, on fire
LST-915, Shell hits 1
LSM-415
LST-911
LST-912

Japanese ground losses:
3182 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 231 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 348 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 31 disabled
Guns lost 107 (2 destroyed, 105 disabled)
Vehicles lost 15 (3 destroyed, 12 disabled) ------------------------------------------ WOW!!!

LSM(R)-199 firing to suppress enemy battery at 9,000 yards

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ASW attack near Moppo at 100,55

Japanese Ships
BB Musashi, Torpedo hits 1

Allied Ships
SS Grayback

SS Grayback launches 6 torpedoes at BB Musashi
Sub escapes detection
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 1, 45 -
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The first sweeps didn't do too badly considering the Allied CAP.
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Morning Air attack on Moppo , at 100,54

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 12 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 47

Allied aircraft
Spitfire F.XIV x 47
Spitfire VIII x 115
P-47N Thunderbolt x 175
P-51D Mustang x 25
F4U-1A Corsair x 169
F4U-1D Corsair x 37
F4U-4 Corsair x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 8 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 20000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Moppo , at 100,54

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 200 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 52 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 5
J2M5 Jack x 6
J7W1 Shinden x 9

Allied aircraft
Spitfire F.XIV x 46
Spitfire VIII x 93
P-47N Thunderbolt x 153
P-51D Mustang x 21
F4U-1A Corsair x 140
F4U-1D Corsair x 32
F4U-4 Corsair x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 2 destroyed
J7W1 Shinden: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x J7W1 Shinden sweeping at 32000 feet *
2 x A7M2 Sam sweeping at 32000 feet
3 x J2M5 Jack sweeping at 32000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Moppo , at 100,54

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 200 NM, estimated altitude 38,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 60 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 26
Ki-83 x 43
Ki-84r Frank x 202

Allied aircraft
Spitfire F.XIV x 44
Spitfire VIII x 90
P-47N Thunderbolt x 147
P-51D Mustang x 19
F4U-1A Corsair x 134
F4U-1D Corsair x 32
F4U-4 Corsair x 31

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x J2M5 Jack sweeping at 32000 feet
44 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet
28 x Ki-83 sweeping at 32000 feet
44 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet
38 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet
38 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet
8 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet
9 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet
9 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet
14 x Ki-83 sweeping at 32000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Moppo , at 100,54

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 198 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 49 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 114
Ki-84r Frank x 197

Allied aircraft
Spitfire F.XIV x 40
Spitfire VIII x 76
P-47N Thunderbolt x 141
P-51D Mustang x 17
F4U-1A Corsair x 119
F4U-1D Corsair x 28
F4U-4 Corsair x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
43 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet
30 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet
33 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet
52 x Ki-83 sweeping at 32000 feet
58 x Ki-83 sweeping at 32000 feet
8 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet
36 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet
39 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Moppo , at 100,54

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 196 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 48 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 77

Allied aircraft
Spitfire F.XIV x 33
Spitfire VIII x 70
P-47N Thunderbolt x 135
P-51D Mustang x 13
F4U-1A Corsair x 105
F4U-1D Corsair x 26
F4U-4 Corsair x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire F.XIV: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet
5 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet
22 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet
9 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Moppo , at 100,54

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 191 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 47 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 21

Allied aircraft
Spitfire F.XIV x 31
Spitfire VIII x 69
P-47N Thunderbolt x 129
P-51D Mustang x 13
F4U-1A Corsair x 96
F4U-1D Corsair x 25
F4U-4 Corsair x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
F4U-4 Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet

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I also sent the KB in for one last hurrah, but only one TF made it, so that didn't do much either way. These were out of range for Allied strikes apparently.
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Moppo at 97,54

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 36
B7A2 Grace x 28
D4Y4 Judy x 43

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 20
Corsair IV x 111
Seafire L.III x 29
F4U-1A Corsair x 170
F4U-1D Corsair x 385
F6F-5 Hellcat x 69

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 7 destroyed
B7A2 Grace: 15 destroyed
D4Y4 Judy: 28 destroyed
D4Y4 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Shah

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/10/2014 12:03:26 PM

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Good job on hanging on so long ! I am going to miss my lunchtime ritual of reading your AAR

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Well played Obvert and many many thanks for a great read and the effort you put into the game and AAR

Thanks guys!

It'll be odd not playing and continuing this AAR. I will spend this week though writing up a bunch of stuff still, so look out for more posts.

The weirdest thing will not be writing to Jocke on a daily basis. maybe we'll just write about other things now!

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/10/2014 2:30:17 PM

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Haha, your top pilot list and mine are quite different!

Not even sure how many double aces I have? 50? 100? No idea! I�ll put mine up for you to compare.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/10/2014 3:42:09 PM

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Haha, your top pilot list and mine are quite different!

Not even sure how many double aces I have? 50? 100? No idea! I�ll put mine up for you to compare.

Yeah, I've got a ton of guys with good experience, just not the kills. a lot with 5-9, but as you see very few over 10.

Your USN pilots must be insane after all of those 1k loss days for my strikes!

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/10/2014 3:50:01 PM

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IJN - SUB LOSSES
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Here is a list of subs lost by the year, separating I-boats, RO boats and midget subs and showing what destroyed them. Interesting to see the totals.

I'll try to get a sense of the effectiveness of subs, but Jocke has to post some numbers for this to be really accurate as well! Overall I was happy with the performance of subs once I learned better how to use them. I wasn't happy with getting around 30 sunk in various port strikes, including jcke's very good move hitting Naha in late 44, where i'd staged subs to repair system damage for a few days before heading out. As usual, the extremity of results meant ALL subs in port that day war sunk outright.

Another thing I am surprised by is how few subs lost for the IJN in the first two years of the war. Only 38 total lost I-boats and RO boats in 42-43. About 1.5 a month.

I-BOATS - 86

1942

3 - DCT Mk IV/Mk VII DC
1 - 500lb GP bomb
1 - DC Rack Mk 7 DC
1 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 6 DC
1 - 21inch Mk14 Torpedo
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1943

7 - DC Rack/Mk 7 DC
6 - DC Rack/Mk 7m1 DC
3 - DC Rack/Mk 6 DC
1 - 21in Mk 10 Torpedo
1 - Y-Gun 7/Mk 6 DC
1 - K-Gun 6/Mk 6 DC
1 - DCT Mk IV/Mk VII DC
1 - DC Rack/Mk 9 DC
1 - 500lb GP bomb
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1944

13 - 500lb GP bomb - in port
11 - DC Rack/Mk 7 DC
4 - DCT Mk IV/Mk VII DC
4 - DC Rack/Mk 9 DC
5 - 500lb GP bomb - at sea from ASW/search
3 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 6 DC
3 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 9 DC
2 - DC Rack/Mk 7m1 DC
1 - 21inch Mk14 Torpedo
1 - DC Rack/Mk 6 DC
1 - Unknown
1 - 21inch Mk VIII Torpedo
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1945

3 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 9 DC
2 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 6 DC
1 - DC Rack/Mk 7 DC
1 - 500 lb bomb (at sea from ASW/search)
1 - DCT Mk IV/Mk VII DC
1 - 21inch Mk 15 Torpedo
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RO subs - 50

1942

1 - 53.3cm W1 Torpedo
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1

1943

6 - DC Rack Mk 7m1 DC
1 - DC Rack/Mk 7 DC
1 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 6 DC
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8

1944

16 - 500lb bomb - at port
8 - DC Rack/Mk 7 DC
4 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 6 DC
3 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 9 DC
1 - DC Rack Mk 7m1 DC
1 - DC Rack/Mk 9
1 - DCT Mk IV/MkVII DC
1 - DC Rack Mk VII DC
1 - 21inch Mk 14 Torpedo
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36

1945

1 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 9 DC
1 - DC Rack Mk VII DC
1 - DC Rack Mk 7m1 DC
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3

Midgets subs - 74

1941

4 - hit obstructions
1 - grounding
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1942

2 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 6 DC
1 - 8 inch Mk 9 Gun
1 - Mk 16 mine
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4

1943

5 - DCT Mk IV/Mk VII DC
5 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 6 DC
2 - Unknown
1- Mk 16 mine
1 - Abandoned
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1944

4 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 6 DC
3 - Unknown
4 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 9 DC
3 - DC Rack/Mk 9 DC
1 - DC Rack/Mk 7m1 DC
1 - 1000lb bomb
1 - 5inch/38 Mk 12 EBR
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1945

9 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 6 DC
9 - Unknown
6 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 9 DC
4 - DC Rack Mk 7 DC
3 - Abandoned
1 - 500lb
1 - 5inch/38 Mk 12 EBR
1 - Hedgehog Mk 10
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/10/2014 4:38:46 PM

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Haha, your top pilot list and mine are quite different!

Not even sure how many double aces I have? 50? 100? No idea! I�ll put mine up for you to compare.

Yeah, I've got a ton of guys with good experience, just not the kills. a lot with 5-9, but as you see very few over 10.

Your USN pilots must be insane after all of those 1k loss days for my strikes!

I put the list up. Leading Ace is USAAF. Actually I think the majority in the top are USAAF! I think your strikes against my CVs the kills got spread out among hundreds of different pilots.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/10/2014 5:01:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Haha, your top pilot list and mine are quite different!

Not even sure how many double aces I have? 50? 100? No idea! I�ll put mine up for you to compare.

Yeah, I've got a ton of guys with good experience, just not the kills. a lot with 5-9, but as you see very few over 10.

Your USN pilots must be insane after all of those 1k loss days for my strikes!

I put the list up. Leading Ace is USAAF. Actually I think the majority in the top are USAAF! I think your strikes against my CVs the kills got spread out among hundreds of different pilots.

Actually it makes sense for the entire war, because the USAAF guys were up almost daily through 43-45. Your leading missions guys worked way too hard! I'll post mine in a bit here once I fire up the old machine. Mine is something like 1350 missions. Still over one a day!!

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Heh, my guy with most missions are actually an Aussi! Almost 1600 missions. Every day for almost 4,5 year!

EDIT: Just checked the list. Almost no USAAF pilots with over 1000 missions. About 200 or had crossed the 1000 mission limit. Almost all are USN. I guess its all those doing CAP on the CVs. But top 4 are Aussis!

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8" shell sank a midget sub?! The shell is almost as big as the sub!

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FINAL RUN
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As a parting shot to the game we did a post-game test run with different settings on the last turn. It taught me some things, even to the last here.

Any chance of giving this another run or two? I know this is a bit of a science experiment but I am curious as to the possible range of results in a late war surface battle. Those Cleveland class CL's are a PIA for the Japanese and the British always seem to get torpedo hits. Well played and thanks for the AAR. Game was about to turn in to monotonous bombing campaign so it was a good time to end

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/10/2014 8:57:53 PM

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FINAL RUN
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As a parting shot to the game we did a post-game test run with different settings on the last turn. It taught me some things, even to the last here.

Any chance of giving this another run or two? I know this is a bit of a science experiment but I am curious as to the possible range of results in a late war surface battle. Those Cleveland class CL's are a PIA for the Japanese and the British always seem to get torpedo hits. Well played and thanks for the AAR. Game was about to turn in to monotonous bombing campaign so it was a good time to end

I'll see if Jocke is interested. Depends on whether he saved the file after putting all of those ships there. Come to think of it, did I?

The BBs that escaped, Mutsu, Ise, Hyuga and Musashi, had relatively minor damage, including Musashi with only 6 float damage from the sub TT hit. All DDs were sunk that started with the TF. The old BBs expended only a small portion of their secondary 14cm ammo though, which is always a sticking point for me. They're at 0 with main armament, and the battles were close, down to 2k yards for some, so why didn't these fire more that 2-3 times? Never makes sense to me but it is a regular occurrence.

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A slight delay in my end of game posts as I'm finally wiping my HD to the aging gaming computer to rid it of the effects of a virus I acquired a month or so ago. it'll be tomorrow at least before I can do what i want, but I have some files I'll be throwing up later tonight. Fun digging into it all and figuring out what really happened. The timeline will be a real shocker, especially late war. The Allies can move real fast wen they get going!

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/11/2014 7:46:28 AM

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Thanks to both of you gentleman for such great AARs and spirited game play, and for sticking it out as far as you did (I still wanted to see the Russian hordes head over the border).

Cheers,
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/11/2014 9:18:09 AM

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Top, top work guys

Its been a blast for us watchers!

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/11/2014 10:25:24 AM

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Thanks to both of you gentleman for such great AARs and spirited game play, and for sticking it out as far as you did (I still wanted to see the Russian hordes head over the border).

Cheers,
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Yes! So did I, sort of.

They wouldn't have found much to fight, but I was interested in seeing the Russian fleet and air force as well. Not that Jocke needed it by that point.

As with everything in the late game, it sucks when you can't see it play out. When I realized i had all of the stuff set up to get to 46 except one, supply, it was pretty disappointing. The goal was to last as long as possible.

My goal was to just see how everything worked, but it's a game, and Jocke got to see how strat bombing worked as well. This made it much less interesting for me as the planes that had been researching for years suddenly weren't in game anymore, like the Shinden. The Russians are kind of made irrelevant once an Allied landing in Korea happens.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 3/11/2014 4:32:05 PM

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DD LOSSES
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Things started alright, with only 11 DDs lost in 41-42, although a good number of other E and DMS escorts were lost as well.

In 43 the naval battles heated up, and the IJN lost another 24 DDs. Still, even at this point, only 12 were from the best designs like Kagero, Yugumo or Akizuki classes.

In 44 the Allied fleets took charge and the IJN surface fleet was increasingly marginal. A total of 47 DDs were lost.

By 45 the addition of the Matsu and Tachibana class DDs helped keep BBs with escorts and left the remaining stronger DDs to move with the KB. A total of 46 were lost through he end of June.

Lost TOTAL: 128

Lost by munition type:

1000lb bomb - at sea ----------- 29
1000lb bomb - port ----------------- 1
500lb bomb - at sea --------------- 2
500lb - port --------------------- 2
250lb bomb - at sea ---------------- 1

53cm W1 Torpedo ---------------- 2
22.4in Mk 13 Torp. ----------------- 1
22inch Mk 13 Torpedo --------------- 3
21 inch Mk 14 Torpedo --------------- 5
21 inch Mk 15 Torpedo --------------- 15
21inch Mk VIII Torpedo ----------------- 2
21inch Mk IX Torpedo -------------------- 4
18inch Mk XII Torpedo ------------------ 3

8inch/55 Mk 12 Gun ----------------- 1
8inch Mk 9 Gun ------------------------- 2
8inch/50 BL Mk VIII ---------------------- 1
7.5 inch/50 BL Mk VIII ------------------- 1
6inch/47 Mk 16 Gun ----------------------- 14
5 inch/38 Mk 12 EBR ------------------------ 30
5 inch/38 Mk 12 SP EBR ----------------------- 1
5inch/Mk 12 OP ----------------------------- 3
5inch/Mk 12 OP (S) ------------------------- 1
4.7inch/45 QF Mk IX ----------------------- 1

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