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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 3/17/2012 7:09:40 PM   
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Singapore to Fusan; Will it Work?
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It's been nearly a month since the rail/road route through China has been secured. I've been sending all subsequent fuel shipment to Singapore and some oil as well just to see if it would begin to draw north. So far it continues to build in Singapore.

Recently I've tried several tactics to get it to move up. Firstly I stopped sending fuel to Hong Kong and began one CS convoy pulling it out. Then I began two more in Shanghai. After this I noticed Oil and then fuel going down in Port Arthur, in spite of having it set to keep both.

I've also started several fuel CS convoys from Fusan to Fukuoka and moved the Combined Fleet HQ there. Still, Singapore continues to hold onto fuel, oil and resources.

What should I try next? Or is it just a waiting game, and how long might it take to begin to draw? Here is a pic with some info from Singapore.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 3/17/2012 7:52:01 PM   
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PI: At Busuanga the four TBs came in to wipe out the remaining PTs here and get some more combat experience. They first find 3 MTBs and sink 2. Then they locate 3 Philippine PTs and sink 1 of those.

West Australia: No flights today from the Mini-KB due to weather. Grrrrrrr.

So Pac: 24 B-17s hit Noumea again. Here we go. Although I'd rather have them here than hitting bases in New Guinea.

China: At Kunming the 33rd Division, 3 tank units and most of the 55th division attack with a DA. Surprisingly they take the base with a 2 to 1. The Chinese units lose over a third of their strength. One division and 2 tank units will pursue, as they are retreating toward Mengtze and I don't want a still strong Corps running around out here.

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Ground combat at Kunming (69,48)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 27289 troops, 261 guns, 327 vehicles, Assault Value = 1047

Defending force 14382 troops, 33 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 556

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 1506

Allied adjusted defense: 568

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Kunming !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1829 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 141 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 23 disabled
Vehicles lost 32 (1 destroyed, 31 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
5662 casualties reported
Squads: 136 destroyed, 70 disabled
Non Combat: 171 destroyed, 97 disabled
Engineers: 34 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 24 (24 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 4


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
1st Tank Regiment
112th Infantry Regiment
143rd Infantry Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment
33rd Division
14th Tank Regiment
144th Infantry Regiment
6th Tank Regiment
55th Mountain Gun Regiment
25th Army
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
13th Burma Rifles Battalion
5th Chinese Corps
NCAC
16th Chinese Base Force

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At Chungking 3 P-40s are damaged on the field. Odd they are still here if they're not going to contest the base.

No Pac: Nothing is happening up here at all. This is good. All training units that will be here semi-permanently have moved out and are spread over the Aleutians. 45 Nells form the backbone of this force, and 30 zeros split over three bases form the fighter support. Now that there is a good pool of trained pilots it will be easy to switch out the trainees and get skilled pilots here should the action commence. There are also Rufes and Vals, as well as Jakes and Dinahs.

The long term plan is to hold until the winter. If the US CVs are in a known location far away and the ground forces are available, a further move on Alaska will be considered, landing south of Anchorage with two plus divisions and aiming to take out all bases nearby and destroy the forces there. If this were to happen it would most likely be less than a month before the winter rules set in to keep good air support possibility but limit the time-frame for any counter measures.

This is just a fun fantasy scenario, but could happen if this area is ignored by the Allies.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 3/17/2012 8:46:40 PM   
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subs: As an attempt to get more out of the CHa sub chasers I've put them into 4 ship TFs near Ominato. There are always 1 or 2 US subs near here. So far this has been an ugly stalemate with every torpedo attack resulting in duds and no DC attacks in return.

The change has done nothing so far. Plunger duds on CHa-33 and none of the 4 ships can find the sub to attack.

I-121 finds a fat convoy near North Male and is sighted by an escort and given a small damaging hit. Then sighted again and given another small hit. Two xAPs are here and CL Sumatra, so I think there is some fairly important stuff in those ships. I wonder where this is going?

West Australia: Sweeps head out from the Mini-KB as it moves toward Carnarvon and find a full CAP of 30 Kittyhawks above the base. The zeros decimate the Australian planes in two separate battles.

The numbers in the info screen show conflicting kills however. Are these also subject to FOW? Which numbers are correct?

On the right side the totals show 19 Allied planes lost, and on the previous screen it showed 15 A to A losses for them. Then in the breakdown of planes it shows 24 total and 21 A to A losses for Kittyhawks. Hmmm.

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Nells hit a base force from Derby and disable 20 squads as it moves throughout he desert toward Katherine. A few of these are roaming the wilds and will be hit hard.

So Pac: Still a big blip moving across the area south of Pago Pago toward Tongatapu. A small TF of 2 of the training CLs and two E followed by one AO with escorts is moving down near Noumea to make sure some ships are here to intercept should this be a convoy to OZ.

China: At Chungking 3 more P-40 are damaged on the ground. I forgot to mention that Kunming was taken almost entirely intact, with 1 HI point damaged. This will be a great source of supply for the mountain region and extra HI as long as fuel gets up here from Burma.
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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 3/17/2012 8:55:04 PM   
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Yes, FOW is present in those numbers.  The only number I beleive not subject to FOW is your total current score ....

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 3/17/2012 9:00:09 PM   
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Yes, FOW is present in those numbers.  The only number I beleive not subject to FOW is your total current score ....


I guess they should be but I wonder which is closer to the truth. In this battle I was in a hurry and escaped through it. I have to remember to not do that when it's a big air fight I need good numbers on. After that I wasn't sure whether to launch another port strike or not.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 3/17/2012 9:09:59 PM   
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It's been nearly a month since the rail/road route through China has been secured. I've been sending all subsequent fuel shipment to Singapore and some oil as well just to see if it would begin to draw north. So far it continues to build in Singapore.

Recently I've tried several tactics to get it to move up. Firstly I stopped sending fuel to Hong Kong and began one CS convoy pulling it out. Then I began two more in Shanghai. After this I noticed Oil and then fuel going down in Port Arthur, in spite of having it set to keep both.

I've also started several fuel CS convoys from Fusan to Fukuoka and moved the Combined Fleet HQ there. Still, Singapore continues to hold onto fuel, oil and resources.

What should I try next? Or is it just a waiting game, and how long might it take to begin to draw? Here is a pic with some info from Singapore.

Ah! I finally find something how it works - or doesn't

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 3/17/2012 9:11:50 PM   
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Yes, FOW is present in those numbers.  The only number I beleive not subject to FOW is your total current score ....


I guess they should be but I wonder which is closer to the truth. In this battle I was in a hurry and escaped through it. I have to remember to not do that when it's a big air fight I need good numbers on. After that I wasn't sure whether to launch another port strike or not.

I always understood that the number in the destroyed planes field are not FOW-influenced.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 3/17/2012 9:22:51 PM   
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subs: Pollack again takes two shots at sub chasers near Ominato, with one dud. None of the 4 CHa can get an attack on the sub. Also, the last time these were in port I changed a few captains, and all are acceptable if not good, and the TF leader has good naval and 55 aggressiveness. Not great, but not terrible either.

Haddock duds on an xAK near Torishima.

West Australia: A 30 Kate strike at 8 hexes with a preceding sweep was ordered, but the Mini-KB doesn't send planes due to clouds over Perth. The Junyo and Suzuya with a good sized escort will head to Singapore to fix up the torpedo damage suffered a week ago. The rest will move to Carnarvon to replenish.

The Broome base force is hit today and 24 squads are disabled in the far reaches of the desert between Derby and Katherine. This is much easier than chasing these down with SNLFs.

So Pac: The blip still going, now veering toward NZ. Just south of Tongatapu.

China: At Chungking 1 Warhawk is destroyed and two damaged today on the ground.
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PI: The garrison unit destined for Manila has been bought out and is loading for transport. I will start prepping the Brigade for Diego now. I know it might be seen by the Allies in sigint, but it would be suicide to go there without at least a half-prepped force.

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It's been nearly a month since the rail/road route through China has been secured. I've been sending all subsequent fuel shipment to Singapore and some oil as well just to see if it would begin to draw north. So far it continues to build in Singapore.

Recently I've tried several tactics to get it to move up. Firstly I stopped sending fuel to Hong Kong and began one CS convoy pulling it out. Then I began two more in Shanghai. After this I noticed Oil and then fuel going down in Port Arthur, in spite of having it set to keep both.

I've also started several fuel CS convoys from Fusan to Fukuoka and moved the Combined Fleet HQ there. Still, Singapore continues to hold onto fuel, oil and resources.

What should I try next? Or is it just a waiting game, and how long might it take to begin to draw? Here is a pic with some info from Singapore.

Ah! I finally find something how it works - or doesn't


I know I've read somewhere that is has and does work, I just want to know what to do to force the situation so I don't waste time, fuel and ships hauling this stuff in the meantime.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 3/17/2012 9:33:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker

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It's been nearly a month since the rail/road route through China has been secured. I've been sending all subsequent fuel shipment to Singapore and some oil as well just to see if it would begin to draw north. So far it continues to build in Singapore.

Recently I've tried several tactics to get it to move up. Firstly I stopped sending fuel to Hong Kong and began one CS convoy pulling it out. Then I began two more in Shanghai. After this I noticed Oil and then fuel going down in Port Arthur, in spite of having it set to keep both.

I've also started several fuel CS convoys from Fusan to Fukuoka and moved the Combined Fleet HQ there. Still, Singapore continues to hold onto fuel, oil and resources.

What should I try next? Or is it just a waiting game, and how long might it take to begin to draw? Here is a pic with some info from Singapore.

Ah! I finally find something how it works - or doesn't


I know I've read somewhere that is has and does work, I just want to know what to do to force the situation so I don't waste time, fuel and ships hauling this stuff in the meantime.

So do I :)

Does the pulling of oil out of Burma into Siam and Malaya work? I've read it somewhere and planned to turn off the refinereies in Burma...

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 3/17/2012 9:40:06 PM   
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It's been nearly a month since the rail/road route through China has been secured. I've been sending all subsequent fuel shipment to Singapore and some oil as well just to see if it would begin to draw north. So far it continues to build in Singapore.

Recently I've tried several tactics to get it to move up. Firstly I stopped sending fuel to Hong Kong and began one CS convoy pulling it out. Then I began two more in Shanghai. After this I noticed Oil and then fuel going down in Port Arthur, in spite of having it set to keep both.

I've also started several fuel CS convoys from Fusan to Fukuoka and moved the Combined Fleet HQ there. Still, Singapore continues to hold onto fuel, oil and resources.

What should I try next? Or is it just a waiting game, and how long might it take to begin to draw? Here is a pic with some info from Singapore.

Ah! I finally find something how it works - or doesn't


I know I've read somewhere that is has and does work, I just want to know what to do to force the situation so I don't waste time, fuel and ships hauling this stuff in the meantime.

So do I :)

Does the pulling of oil out of Burma into Siam and Malaya work? I've read it somewhere and planned to turn off the refinereies in Burma...


Yes, it is supposed to work. If I don't hear from anyone about other techniques, I plan to try to pull from Bangkok as well to get things at least moving up the road from Singers and out of Burma.

PS- I don't want to turn off the Refineries just because there is the extra supply it makes, and the fuel is useful for ships arriving here. THey can take some back if they bring supplies.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 3/17/2012 10:31:05 PM   
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subs: Pollack again wastes two fish on a CHa. No return attack. I guess if this keeps up at least it'll just quickly run the sub out of torpedoes. O-19 is attacked by a PB near Den Passar. No hits.

West Australia: Nells hit Darwin and find a Kittyhawk damaged on the ground. Must be the ones that were at Katherine moved over, as they are not there now.

The Mini was set for one last strike and only 13 Kates and 7 zeros flew to Perth, with no preceding sweep. That is no fun. 9 Kates are lost and 5 zeros downed for 3 Kittyhawks. But at least the strike hit the CL Durban with two more bombs, most likely sinking it, and puts another on the SS Pike, the second reported to have hit that sub. Another ship is hit that hasn't been reported before in attacks here. I'm so curious what else is here that hasn't been touched yet.

The Mini-KB will retire to lick its wounds. Tomorrow G3M3s will be ordered to fly at 23 hexes supported by zeros from Carnarvon toward Perth's port.

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Afternoon Air attack on Perth , at 49,147

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 92 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 39 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7
B5N2 Kate x 13



Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IA x 23


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 4 destroyed, 4 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IA: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
xAP Van Imhoff, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Durban, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
SS Pike, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage



Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 10000 feet *
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 10000 feet *
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
No.76 Sqn RAAF with Kittyhawk IA (0 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes
7 planes vectored on to bombers
No.77 Sqn RAAF with Kittyhawk IA (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes

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So Pac: The blip continues, moving near Raoul island. This is outside of our search capabilities. Subs have not hit the right spot either. The CL TF is near Noumea now.

PI: Only one more division to move out. The TF just arrived at Naga.

China: Forces in the north are moving forward as the Chinese have picked up and moved to within one hex of Kienko. The flanking troops in the woods near Anking are nearly through to the yellow road and are maintaining supply. No sign of troops moving out of Chungking to intercept, so I'm assuming they have not been seen yet.

In 8 more days they could make the gray road and this would get really fun. Especially since some of the 3 units of 12,000 troops are moving out of Kienko to the hex over the river. If troops are sighted moving out of Chunking bombing will focus on them in a big way.

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DEI: Dot base clean-up takes a break as our APDs move toward Mornington Island to get a close-in recon base for Central and Eastern OZ. If this works and we secure the base with a small SNLF and move the AF Coy in the turn after it falls (to keep its presence hidden at least right away), I'll surprise the bombing here occasionally with some Rufes.
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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 3/17/2012 11:40:14 PM   
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Research: I can't believe we've reached June. This of course means the A6M3 is now available. I'd like to make a small amount of this plane to be used in Burma for defense and close in sweeps. At first I'll have two factories making a total of 35 a month. If there are enough to go around some will be used eventually in So Pac as well.

Other A6M3 research factories have been pushed forward for the A6M3a, which now has 2 x 30 and 1 x 40 factories completely repaired and researching. There is one more at 24 (6) that should be done soon. The hope is to move this ahead several months to 9/42. For the A6M5 2 x 30 are finished repairing (from the Rufe research factories) and these plus a few moved forward from the 3a should make this airplane available as early as 1/43. The goal is to continue moving these up through the whole research path. The 3a is the best CV plane for 43 due to its range, but the others will be good for LBA use. The A6M2 factories will be turned off, not converted, so if I decide to build the Sen Baku or another later plane from that line (I think they go to the A6M5b after the Sen Baku, and continue on the regular A6M path from there) they will be undamaged. Considering this is 110 planes worth of factories, this is significant.

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West Australia: 19 zeros from Carnarvon sweep Perth but the CAP is not up today. Unfortunately the Nells from Broome don't join in, and I'm not sure why. No weather messages.

Only a base force is at Katherine. No fighters are now present. The 1st Raiding unit will try for this base tomorrow. Daly Waters is secure on supply and has an SNLF with one fort now. Katherine would link this and Wyndham and supply might begin to flow around here at least a bit.

So Pac: The blip keeps moving and stays on our sigint. SW of Raoul Island now. The CLs will move north of the path of this TF trying to stay in the search hole between planes from Suva, Brisbane and NZ. THe Jakes will hope to find out what is here. I don't think this could be CVs as it isn't moving too fast and there have been no reports from nearby subs of sightings.

China: The last two divisions needed for the Chihkiang attack are now moving up toward Changte. The AV will be about 6,200 I think. Bombing continues to focus here and is hitting ground forces as well as the airfield.
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This of course means the A6M3 is now available. I'd like to make a small amount of this plane to be used in Burma for defense and close in sweeps. ... Other A6M3 research factories have been pushed forward for the A6M3a, which now has 2 x 30 and 1 x 40 factories completely repaired and researching. ... The hope is to move this ahead several months to 9/42. ... The 3a is the best CV plane for 43 due to its range ...


I agree on both accounts. I usually build some A6M3. You've got several land based IJN fighter units and while the A6M3 is shorter legs than the A6M2, it has a bit better performance and guns. I like it.

The A6M3a is what I use until the Sam. Yeah, I upgrade some to the A6M5 version with armor, but I still have a lot of the 3a in service when the Sam comes on line. It is heavily outdated by the end of '43, but what else do you have?


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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 3/18/2012 7:46:06 PM   
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What I've thought about trying (and might recommend, though it's fairly heavy in micromanagement) is to set Fusan as the home port for a huge number of ships, possibly most of the merchant fleet.  You'll need to use waypoints and possibly do not retire to get them to still deliver stuff properly, but I have reasons to suspect that the number (and maybe size/capacity) of ships based at a port influences where the ai decides to move resources.  If the computer believes most of your ships will be drawing fuel from Fusan, I believe it to be more likely to ship extra there from Singapore or wherever.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 3/18/2012 8:58:08 PM   
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Thanks Schlemiel. From what I've heard and seen I think this to be true as well. Bringing the port to size 9 and basing around 50 ships there has helped get fuel and resources to flow from Manchuria already. I'm not sure how long it might take to get them to flow longer distances however, and if other things might help push them up.

There are a number of ships not doing anything in the HI that could be as easily siting in Fusan, so I could try this without any problems. Couldn't hurt anyway.

So many mysteries to be explored in this game.

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In the GC, Fusan can only reach size 8 I beleive.  But you do want to build it up to max size irregardless.

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Are you completely sure that you "own" all of the hexes on the rail line/major road network? In your May 25 screen shot there is a Chinese unit sitting on the rail line to the Southwest of Changsha.

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Are you completely sure that you "own" all of the hexes on the rail line/major road network? In your May 25 screen shot there is a Chinese unit sitting on the rail line to the Southwest of Changsha.


Good question Dan. That may have affected things up to now I realize thinking about the sequence of things.

That little guy has been given a great big shove off the rail by and armored car unit. It's the Lusu War Area that starts in the swamp near Nanking. Not sure how it's lasted this long. I let it wander hoping it would just evaporate, and then it just kept getting in the way. So now it is off the track and won't be causing any more problems.

All of the rail is now clear.

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Here is a shot of Fusan. It's been drawing resources as the main port from Manchuria since at least February, and is a level 8 (not 9, thanks for reminding me Pax) port now. About 5 CS convoys of xAKLs go back and forth regularly.

Looks like this just may take a lot of time to get moving. I'll stock up Singers and then keep shipping fuel, oil and resources back while I try to get this working.
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I'm watching this intently. I am thinking/planning a possible PBEM game as Japan and I want to make sure I have all the info I need first.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 3/18/2012 11:19:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dan Nichols

I'm watching this intently. I am thinking/planning a possible PBEM game as Japan and I want to make sure I have all the info I need first.


I'll keep you updated. Let me know if there are more things you're curious about as you think of them. Or something I haven't really elaborated on during the past six months game time.

As most players seem to realize at about this time, there are many things they would do differently if they could do it over again. I feel pretty good about the game right now, but there are a few things economically and in R n D I just didn't know in the beginning. You only really know by doing it and seeing if it works. I'm sure there will be much more as I go.

Defensive positions in the Pacific are a mystery to me still as none have been challenged yet, but I'm trying to follow the example of other AARs, best historical examples and what I figure will work on my own.

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subs: Gudgeon attacks a convoy of support ships moving to the DEI, but misses and duds with two torpedoes aimed at the Aden class AKE Yamabuki Maru. That's not enough for Gudgeon, and she takes two more shots at AG Utide Maru, misses with both. Tarpon is still hanging around Carnarvon, and the 4 Ansyu PB ASW TF finds it twice but doesn't attack.

West Australia: Nells bomb the base forces in the desert again and begin getting destroyed squads.

Kates bomb Geraldton more as a scouting mission and find at least two units there. The rollover states there are 3 present, but only 760 troops plus about 75 AFVs. That must be the 10th Light horse. Within a week Carnarvon will be at level 3 fields at which point two Betty groups will be brought in and these units in Geraldton will be pounded. Maybe after the Perth defenses are tested.

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Morning Air attack on 10th Light Horse Battalion, at 49,141 (Geraldton)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 30
B5N2 Kate x 7



No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 10000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking Geraldton RAN Base Force ...
Also attacking 10th Light Horse Battalion ...

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At Perth 19 zeros swept, but there was no CAP. 34 fighters are listed here. I sense there is a build-up and more will be present soon. This is more than 2 Aussie groups worth. Probably some are coming out of transport and getting readied.

So Pac: The blip moves just to the NE of Waipapa. The Kashima and Katori should have Jakes in search range tomorrow. No sign of their DL going up yet. A fast cruiser force starts out from Tulagi to provide support should this turn out to be something juicy.

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China: Near Henyang the Lusu War Area is pushed off of the rails and maybe this will help get things flowing farther north. The armored car unit will push this until it either disappears or goes into the woods.

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Ground combat at 81,54 (near Hengyang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 225 troops, 0 guns, 32 vehicles, Assault Value = 18

Defending force 80 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 20

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 20 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+)


Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 1


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
9th Armored Car Co

Defending units:
Lusu War Area

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One hex outside of Kunming the Chinese units retreated to the SE are again attacked and this time lose almost half their number. One more like this and these will no longer be a threat in the area. The Burmese Rifles are destroyed.

While a division and an armor unit are healing up in Kunming a garrison of a small brigade is being flown in from Nanning. Forts are being built. If the coming attacks are successful in Chihkiang and Kienko, Chinese units may start trying to break out along this road to get to Burma and India. I want this route closed. These two divisions can stop good sized Chinese stack low in supply in this terrain if forts get to 3 or 4, but there are 40 something units only about 7 hexes away on a good road, so it's best to start preparing now as there is nothing else on the way for a while up here.

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Ground combat at 68,49 (near Kunming)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 13995 troops, 120 guns, 214 vehicles, Assault Value = 546

Defending force 10292 troops, 16 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 379

Japanese adjusted assault: 819

Allied adjusted defense: 103

Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
611 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 43 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled


Allied ground losses:
4278 casualties reported
Squads: 117 destroyed, 120 disabled
Non Combat: 164 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Units retreated 3
Units destroyed 1


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
33rd Division
14th Tank Regiment
6th Tank Regiment

Defending units:
5th Chinese Corps
13th Burma Rifles Battalion
NCAC
16th Chinese Base Force

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DEI: Tarakan is nearly competely fixed. The oil is perfect at 90, but it has 12 refinery points to be repaired. At Miri the oil is at about 205 (95) for oil and 150 (150) for refineries. I'm thinking of not repairing the refineries here.

On Java HI will be improved at Batavia and Soerabaja, but that can wait until the ops in W OZ are closer to finished so there is no drain on supplies while they're fixed.
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subs: KXVIII finds the CS convoy between Soerabaja and Macassar but a PB scoots in the way of torpedo and goes down immediately. I'd have probably rather had the xAKL go down.

Halibut duds on a supply convoy escort near the islands south of Tokyo. In spite of the mines here, and subs seen moving through the island hexes, I've heard no mine hitting sounds yet.
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So Pac: It's good I included the very nice pic of the Kashima yesterday. Here is one of the Katori as a kind of memorial as well. In spite of the care taken to stay at 8-10 hex range to scout with the Jakes the 'blip' ships move about 12 hexes up to just south of Norfolk Island and send several waves of SBD and TBD escorted by Wilcats to decimate the scout force as well as downing one very valuable oiler that was trailing with 3 DMS escorts. Only 2 E make an escape to tell the tale.

This is a serious downer. After not losing a major combat ship up to this point in the war, the loss of these two cruisers and the fast AO hits harder than it probably should. Being trainers they are slow and underarmed, but have good range and should have been good in the scout role. This is a facet of the game that has not gone well for the IJN so far. Bad timing and not enough care taken in this case.

On the flip side, this is good intel. The rollover from the Jake spotting and most likely our Mavis search as well shows two TFs with about 10-12 ships each. The number of planes would suggest that at least 3-4 US CVs are present. The Mini-KB should be safe for at least two weeks, and may use this window to land forces in vulnerable positions such as Esperance. This will wait for recon to check this area however.

The Central Pacific is in turn safe for now and raiding scout forces with long range AVs and some surface forces will prepare immediately to head to the deep southern Pacific. Hopefully I can keep these a bit more hidden and slightly safer than this force. It is worth the risk if I can catch something with troops or planes on it though, or a fat bunch of TKs. The Jake pilots are all now trained to 70 search and 70 low naval bombing for attacks from AVs and CS ships. Akitushima will also carry 1/3 of a Rufe group for some cover from Cats and other bombers.

This also leaves No Pac completely vulnerable. Nothing will happen until later in the summer, but maybe by early September forces could be assembled to hit Alaska proper. It would at least be entertaining! A lot can happen before then though, and Wasp could be sent that direction as well.

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Norfolk Island at 113,168

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes


Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 26
F4F-4 Wildcat x 26
SBD-2 Dauntless x 45
SBD-3 Dauntless x 75
TBD-1 Devastator x 35


Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Kashima, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
DMS W-2, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
DMS W-10, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
AO Toei Maru, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DMS W-8, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
CL Katori, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
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Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
3 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
11 x TBD-1 Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
7 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
3 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
12 x TBD-1 Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
3 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
3 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
12 x TBD-1 Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
3 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
3 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
12 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 10000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
12 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 10000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
12 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 10000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
12 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 10000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
12 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 10000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
8 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
8 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 10000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
8 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 10000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DMS W-2
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DMS W-10
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring AO Toei Maru
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CL Katori
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CL Kashima

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Norfolk Island at 113,168

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes


Allied aircraft
TBD-1 Devastator x 12


No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
12 x TBD-1 Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo

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West Australia: Nells destroy 7 more squads form the Derby base force. The G3M3s from Broome were scheduled to fly the 23 hex attack to Perth again and didn't go in spite of decent weather. There is decent supply, around 7,000, and an air HQ here. I may have to just wait a few more days until Carnarvon makes a level 3 field.

China: A surprise at Chihkiang. Our bombing destroys 7 P-40 on the ground and damages another 48! (I'm fairly sure the damage numbers are not accurate). After the turn my opponent informed me he thought he had enough supply to run a CAP here to surprise the bombers (which are always escorted by 30 Oscars and usually behind a sweep of another 12-15). Instead at least one group of the AVG is caught on the ground and the planes can't fly. The base is hovering daily between 40 and 70 damage to the fields according to my roll-overs so this was a tenuous play even with good supply. Now these will be mercilessly hit day after day, and there is a stack of 6,000 AV about 7 days away.

As it's close to the withdrawal date for the AVG I wonder if the the group is in one piece and will be able to withdraw? Could be a major PP loss if not, especially if our stack decides to attack across the river to the other Chinese Army in the trees on the road to Chungking and just leaves them there.

In far NW China Hami is taken by the 3 tank units today. This gives a small supply boost as 364 supply was left by the Chinese here. A good win against even odds, but the armor really is twice it's AV strength against the Chinese. These units will pursue and attempt to destroy the Chinese forces before they can reach the good terrain and supply at Urumchi. That is the ultimate goal out here, but is not likely to fall as easily considering it must have forts and plenty of supply, as well a a better defensive force if I recall correctly. It's worth the effort though even if I just sit these units there in the base hex so the industry shuts down and wait for them to get low on supply, especially if there are air forces there. Although I guess they could bomb our tanks. We'll see what happens.

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Ground combat at Hami (81,17)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 1985 troops, 4 guns, 186 vehicles, Assault Value = 120

Defending force 3406 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 123

Japanese adjusted assault: 108

Allied adjusted defense: 37

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Hami !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
319 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 36 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
2028 casualties reported
Squads: 36 destroyed, 59 disabled
Non Combat: 29 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 13 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 2


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
20th Recon Regiment
13th Tank Regiment
15th Tank Regiment

Defending units:
9th Separate Brigade
21st Chinese Base Force

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Industry Overview: Here is a shot of the industry at this point, almost 7 months into the war. I've turned off all but one 80 point factory for both the armaments and vehicles. They've stayed nearly the same for now and I have limits for the pools at which point they will be turned back on. More on this later.

As the surplus is over 5,000 a day now I did some calculations to see where things would be at the end of 42 and found good news, I think at least. If the economy continues as it is now it should bank about another 1,000,000 HI (5,000 x 200 days) during the rest of the year, the pilot training charges would be taken out after this of course (-120,000), but that would leave things well over a million HI total (365,000 + 1,000,000 -120,000 = 1,265,000). There will also be some expansion of HI but that should be offset by the increase in production of aircraft and the need to top the pools of armaments and vehicles at some point. That seems good, but i'd love to hear if it really is based on the experience of others. My general aim is to get to 3,000,000 banked by the end of 44.

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Air Production and Engines: Air production is humming along. A6M2 production has been shut down to 33 planes a month with the pool at 120 and the A6M3 coming online. If the pool goes below 60 they'll be put on full (110) again, but let's hope that doesn't happen anytime soon. Tinas are turned off for now with a pool of 30, but we'll be dipping into that as these fragile planes succumb to the australian desert flights they're making to Daly Waters daily. It's hard to train transport pilots for the IJN I've found as they die so often.

Jake production has been bumped up to 70 as I plan to use these in an attack role from AVs and CS ships if I can ever find a convoy to hit.

Ha-44 production is being raised from 84 to 144 to prepare for the Helen IIa in August and then the Tojo. In fact it'll have to go much higher, but this is the current expansion. The pool is at about 190 engines and only 30 Helen I are building now. Ha-32 is also increasing by 50 to deal with the needs of the Emily. Love the plane, hate the cost. At first 14 will be made when they come online in July. This might increase as pools grow and Mavis production is shut down. Is there any reason to keep the Mavis in production once this arrives?

Research: One Tojo R n D factory is nearing readiness. It's at 29 (1) right now. Another is at 26 (4) and a third is at 21 (9). Come on dice! Roll me a few here! Looks like the IJAAF will be getting this plane in 8/42 at the earliest. I would have started with 4 30 point R n D factories right in the beginning if I were to do this again. I waited to do this gradually over the first two months, starting with one 30 point factory on Dec 8, to make sure my economy could handle it.

As it is the Oscar numbers are so good and dense in Burma that they should hold fairly well except against 4E until the Tojo arrives. Two zero units and one Nick group (now preparing in Singapore) will handle the 4E battles hopefully during the next few months. I also have one factory researching the next Oscar model 6 (24) as I'd like to push this forward with each to try to get the last and best Oscar IV much earlier than it's actual date of 8/45. It will be used as an escort throughout the war and the final model with the 2 20mm canons and armor doesn't look too terrible, although it'll still be crap in comparison to everything else the Allies have at that point. but if this comes at the beginning of 45 or earlier it would be great.

As mentioned previously there are 2 complete 30 point factories researching the A6M5. Another 2 30 point and 1 40 point factory are researching the A6M3a, plus another that is now at 25 (5) and should be online soon. Aiming at 9/42 for this plane.

More on research will follow with some screenshots. I'm curious to know whether I'm either going overboard or not doing enough in this area.

Ship Production: The Taiho and 3 Unryus are being accelerated. 6 later RO subs are stopped as is the Shinano. No DDs or CLs are accelerated until I see how the pool builds following the Yamato launch. Both the Naval and Merchant pools are building now, which is good.

I'm thinking that if the numbers keep going up I might try to get the final Unryus accelerated as well, but I'm not sure if they'll arrive in time to be of much use in any case. Thoughts?

I had planned to convert some more ships to ARs but the 1 year completion seems a lot for these. Will I need more in late 43? Or will battles be so close to my shipyards then that this will not be as necessary?
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Here is a complete list of production right now. I'm trying to be conservative about planes right now and really only build what is needed. Oscars and zeros were built up to high levels early, and as the pools go over 100 these will be partially shut off. When or if they dip below 60 again they will go to full capacity.

Other models will be shut down as well if their pools are building up to a month or two worth of production.

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Here is a list of research at the moment. Below are some comments, although not entirely well informed ones. This is the first shot at this for an entire game (hopefully into 45-46) and I really still have no idea how some of these decisions will pan out.

Much of this research was begun gradually over the first 3-4 months of the war to get used to how much strain this would put on the economy while air production was also being ramped up. At this point a few more additions and choices are being made.

Some decisions were made just for fun and investigation, such as building the Tony models and the Jack. I know the George and the Frank are superior, and that for best results one should concentrate, but I want to try them and sometimes diversity has its merits as well.

Also, I'm a float plane fan so I'll try out anything with pontoons! The Rex looks decent, if slow. The Paul looks fun and it might be nice to have a dive-bombing float plane, right? I guess it can't be used in many groups or put onto ships, but it could pack a punch from a small tropical island as a surprise element. The Seiran could be another fun toy, and again could be used for surprise even without the torpedo capability from a small outpost.

Please add questions or advice if something seems glaringly out of proportion or just odd. Or just about the process in general. It's quite a learning curve, but with a few good plane tree charts to reference and a little experience I think I have at least a passing handle on this now. Please also let me know if I might need more or less of a certain plane in the paths.
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Failures: The D3A2 factory was begun once I realized these could be pushed forward to the upgrade model once complete. I rushed this choice as the 800kg bomb on the Myojo seemed good at the time, not realizing that the Judy would be around by then as well as the Grace, both with better range and speed. This factory is waiting around until I find something else worthy later on, as are several others where repair has been turned off.

I started the Tojo R n D too late and with too little investment o really get it forward more than a month. So far that seems okay in this game though.

I invested in the LR recon Irving without really needing to as the Judy LR recon also arrives around the same time, but decided to just leave it and let a bunch build quickly when it comes.

Successes: the A6M line looks well set up to continue speeding these planes up to well before their usual arrival date. As mentioned in another post the A6M2 will just be turned off once the 3a arrives and later restarted to build something farther up the line should it be needed.

I think I started big enough and early enough with the Judy to get it to push up a few months, and at least several factories will keep up researching toward the final model with the 800 kg bomb.

Question: Should I also set up at least one Frank Ib factory as I recently noticed this plane is not in the same path as the Ki-84 Ia? I hear it's the best model of this very good fighter.
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After filling out the KB and the Mini with planes the past day some pools are slightly down, but still in good territory. We're struggling more with IJN fighter pilots and have some float plane groups now training on sweep to bring the numbers up.

Everything else seems in manageable territory. The Sallys have just started to build after filling out the last of the groups converted from 1E bombers. It's amazing how long this takes!

The Helens will fill in for the Lilys that have been doing ASW for the IJAAF, and the Lilys will get relegated to late war kami-bombers or emergency use. I'm about to convert a former ASW group from Lilys to Nicks and change out the pilots for use elsewhere. This will go to Burma.
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Hi obvert,

In all this time I've never really paid any attention to the flow of fuel/oil and resources from Singapore to Fusan. I'll start paying more attention and see if I can add anything to your discussion. I have lots of fuel (300k+) sitting at Singapore, but don't try and draw any via Bangkok, Saigon, Hong Kong or Shanghai. I'll play around and see if I can come up with something.

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subs: Today Gar is sighted first and searched for by a PB escort near Chichi-Jima.

West Australia: There are, indeed, tanks at Geraldton. More than just the Light Horse encountered yesterday by Kates. That's interesting, and these should be susceptible to air raids.

need more recon to see Albany and Esperance to figure out the next possible landing. Tanks are nearing the area, passing by Port Hedland in their convoy from the PI. This group will take care of the Geraldton troops as they are now but it'll take a while to move here without landing direct, which I don't want to do.

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Morning Air attack on 3rd Army Tank Brigade, at 49,141 (Geraldton)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 16

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
89 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
16 x G3M3 Nell bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Nells take another 8 squads off of the Derby base force in the desert.

So Pac: A raid at Cairns yielded a Wirraway destroyed and a few Hudsons damaged. Also 21 hits on the fields. Still no fighters up here.

China: Today 2 P-40 were destroyed and 5 damaged at Chihkiang.

Tanks cross to Mengtze and shock into the wounded Chinese troops there. They get a 1 to 1 inflicting moderate damage and lowering forts to 0. I'll wait for the Division to arrive in two days for more.

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