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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/13/2012 4:11:45 PM

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If you have made this much progress without buying units out of Manchuria don't sweat it! I misunderstood your post about the 4000 AV, but still another 1500 AV and how ever many squads recover from disablements should still pack a punch. Providing he doesn't reinforce before you do and you bomb the crap out of them you should still be in good shape.

Do you have any qualms or house rules against low level ground bombing? I'm involved in another PBEM as the Allies and I'm getting nuked from the air with altitudes as low as 2000k in China. Since the Chinese lack AA these bombers are hardly touched. If you have no qualms about doing it, bombers that low cause significant damage even in rough terrain. Something to think on, however, in my case I'll have no problem using Allied bombers at low altitudes when I get the chance...reap the whirlwind and all that.

I'm like you on PP's. Buying out a division is nice, but often times you need the PP's elsewhere. PP's spent improving leaders and buying out smaller support units is probably more beneficial over the long run than what one division can do for you. 1800 PP's goes a long way when spread around. How many SC's may become submarine killers with the right Captain and skill/aggression level, or that Betty unit that improves remarkably with that high skilled and aggressive leader that actually gets the aircraft into the air and attacking effectively?

My low limit has been 6,000 ft with IJAAF MB in China. That seems in line with what was actually done and gives good results. I also think the moral suffers for MB below 6,000, or maybe it's just at 1,000. Can't remember. But in any case I haven't wanted to go that low for several reasons. I might save it up for when I really need to use that kind of low level bombing. I did use some Sonias early at 1,000 ft but I only used them for about a week.

At Chihkiang I've been getting 20-30 squads disabled a day with 20 hits on the fields and a few on supply.

I agree on PPs. All free engineer units and tanks have been bought out, plus quite a few AA units and base forces from Manchuria. I'm literally out of good commanders for nearly every ship class because they're all on ships now.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/13/2012 5:06:46 PM

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10 July 1942
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subs: KXVI is sighted but not attacked near Carnarvon. KXII misses DD Azakaze near Exmouth.

China: Some troops are moving out of Chihkiang. Not sure if this means a withdrawal or just getting a disabled unit out of the combat zone. The Chinese are moving some troops back toward Chungking fro the river hex north of Chihkiang as well.

Near Chungking three Chinese units of unknown type move out of Neikiang into the same hex the 3 IJA tank Rgts just crossed into. No auto-attacks today, so they must have reached it simultaneously. Tomorrow the tanks will attack as this is a clear hex and the Sallys can take a chunk out of whatever these are during the day.

At Neikiang the DA gets a 6 to 1 and captures the city! This is the break I needed up here. Hopefully this base which is connected to the mountains by two road systems can draw some supply for the troops up here. Most of the tank force will move north to meet the rest of the army at Chengtu while some will stay to move into the hex between here and Chungking, where the 3 other tank rats are now, to keep this road area protected.

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Ground combat at Neikiang (75,44)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 7150 troops, 6 guns, 852 vehicles, Assault Value = 1089

Defending force 13184 troops, 99 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 363

Japanese adjusted assault: 324

Allied adjusted defense: 48

Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Neikiang !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: op mode(-), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 22 (2 destroyed, 20 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
7638 casualties reported
Squads: 319 destroyed, 67 disabled
Non Combat: 210 destroyed, 47 disabled
Engineers: 38 destroyed, 18 disabled
Guns lost 51 (29 destroyed, 22 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
4th Ind.Mixed Brigade
3rd Tank Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
5th Tank Regiment
8th Recon Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
10th Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment
41st Division
26th Recon Regiment

Defending units:
16th Chinese Corps
50th Chinese Corps
86th Chinese Corps

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At Urumchi the SB-IIIs keep coming in spite of not having any fighter cover today. Oscars shoot down 2 and another is lost to ops.

PI: A recon rgt is landed at Cebu to help fight for that base. Lost a lot of motorized support in the surf.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/13/2012 5:40:10 PM

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West Australia: Two divisions are now loading to move out back to Java. Lots of sightings of subs but no attacks either way today.

So Pac: All but one or two subs have now reached their new patrols and its an impressive sight to have all of those little red hash-marks around OZ, Fiji and NZ. This should help both intel and get a few more ships. Already I've sighted a large convoy moving from the Sydney area toward Fiji.

China: The tanks beat a larger force today near Chungking after air attacks disabled a good portion of it. Sallys first took out 37 infantry squads plus other support troops. Then the tanks hit and got a 2 to 1 in spite of being at 1/2 the AV value of the Chinese troops. Another good result up here. On to Chengtu!

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Ground combat at 75,45 (near Chungking)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1890 troops, 0 guns, 285 vehicles, Assault Value = 162

Defending force 9915 troops, 120 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 338

Japanese adjusted assault: 95

Allied adjusted defense: 36

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 15 (2 destroyed, 13 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
3041 casualties reported
Squads: 123 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 118 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 11 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 68 (60 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
14th Tank Regiment
1st Tank Regiment
6th Tank Regiment

Defending units:
71st Chinese Corps
41st AA Regiment
49th AA Regiment

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China (continued): At Urumchi. 3 SB-II shot down today.

Burma: I've decided to move the Tainan group back to Rangoon where it immediately began to take new planes. Nicks will be next.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/13/2012 10:22:02 PM

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subs: Another sub reported hit by Bettys near Carnarvon.

West Australia: The port in Carnarvon is only a size 1, so a lot of the units loading lose squads each day. Annoying.

China: Sallys dig into the defeated Chinese moving from Neikiang. 57 infantry and 82 support squads disabled or destroyed on the day. Bombers also caught several other large armies in move mode, judging by the losses. At Kienko troops are trying to get over to Chengtu. They lost 23 squads, which isn't much, but it's only from 30 Sallys bombing. About the same north of Chihkiang. (Getting a bit tired of trying to type that name. I hope it is well behind the lines soon).

Burma: Nicks fly in to Rangoon and pick up new planes to fill out the group. Other fighter groups are in small bases and are getting low moral, so I brought one of those Oscar groups over to Rangoon to recoup as well. Jocke seems to be holding back here after losing 23 P-40s in the most recent sweep.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/13/2012 10:58:37 PM

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Is the Ki-45 really worth being produced?

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/13/2012 11:06:06 PM

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subs: Skipjack sighted near Truk, twice by the same PB. Grouper hits the resource convoy on its way to pick up in Okinawa and sinks xAKL Yamashimo Maru. Cachalot is also seen near the HI.

West Australia: Tennant creek is bomber today more to check what is there. Two units shown for about 3,000 troops. A brigade and a base force?

So Pac: Lots of sigint from Fiji and SE Australian ports lately. No sightings.

China: A BA found Chihkiang empty today! All Chinese troops did in fact move out! They have also moved out of the contested hex just to the north. This is a huge relief for me, and a great chance to rest up troops.

This continues a pattern of leaving territory to keep the Chinese armies intact if there is a turn in the combat results. I can't figure out if this is good for him or not? It seems all of these troops are just going to starve soon. But there is a lot of raw Chinese AV left. At least 7-8k moving toward or already near Kweiyang. There is now about 4k moving north toward Chungking. Probably about 3-4k in Chungking. 5k at Kienko moving now toward Chengtu. I'm guessing 3k at Chengtu. That's 22-24k total AV!!!

As it is the Central Army will have a respite and try to recover it's forces to near full strength. Another convoy of 20,000 supply is added for today toward Shanghai.

Sallys pound the three corps stuck in the plains. The main Northern Army and tanks from Neikiang move into Chengtu. This should begin to hurt as production from one of the last two Chinese industrial centers shuts down. As soon as arty makes it here a DA will be attempted. Tomorrow a BA is scheduled to check the number and makeup of troops here.

I'll be able to post some maps in a day or two.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/13/2012 11:13:13 PM

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Is the Ki-45 really worth being produced?

It's not a bad plane, and can hit 4Es better than most planes available in 42. It also has armor, guns worth 12 with high accuracy (52 on the 20mm and 58 on the 2 12.7 mm MG), flies 340 MPH and can get to 31,000ft (with 2nd best maneuver HR that we're playing), and its durability is high at 36 so it can take a few hits and keep flying.

It does cost two engines, but I just like the difference of having a tough hard hitting fighter when the only other option is an Oscar.

My trouble so far has been getting it in contact with the bombers. If I fly it too high, it does well against fighters but doesn't make it back down in time, and if it's too low it gets mauled before getting to the bombers.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/13/2012 11:19:05 PM

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Is the Ki-45 really worth being produced?

It's not a bad plane, and can hit 4Es better than most planes available in 42. It also has armor, guns worth 12 with high accuracy (52 on the 20mm and 58 on the 2 12.7 mm MG), flies 340 MPH and can get to 31,000ft (with 2nd best maneuver HR that we're playing), and its durability is high at 36 so it can take a few hits and keep flying.

It does cost two engines, but I just like the difference of having a tough hard hitting fighter when the only other option is an Oscar.

My trouble so far has been getting it in contact with the bombers. If I fly it too high, it does well against fighters but doesn't make it back down in time, and if it's too low it gets mauled before getting to the bombers.

Do you think its still something worth mentioning when the Ki-44 is ready?

I simply consider the Ki-45 way too weak for a 2e fighter. I am propably too much expecting something like the Me-110, though. Me 110G with four 2cm and two 3cm guns...

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/13/2012 11:28:10 PM

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Is the Ki-45 really worth being produced?

It's not a bad plane, and can hit 4Es better than most planes available in 42. It also has armor, guns worth 12 with high accuracy (52 on the 20mm and 58 on the 2 12.7 mm MG), flies 340 MPH and can get to 31,000ft (with 2nd best maneuver HR that we're playing), and its durability is high at 36 so it can take a few hits and keep flying.

It does cost two engines, but I just like the difference of having a tough hard hitting fighter when the only other option is an Oscar.

My trouble so far has been getting it in contact with the bombers. If I fly it too high, it does well against fighters but doesn't make it back down in time, and if it's too low it gets mauled before getting to the bombers.

Do you think its still something worth mentioning when the Ki-44 is ready?

I simply consider the Ki-45 way too weak for a 2e fighter. I am propably too much expecting something like the Me-110, though. Me 110G with four 2cm and two 3cm guns...

I think we have to wait for the Ki-83 for that. But I like it.

My philosophy for this game at least, as I learn the IJ side, is to try virtually everything. (I'm not building helicopters though).

I will build the Tony, the Jack, the Frank, the George in addition to the Tojo and the variations of the zero. I may only build a few, but I want to see how they do i the game.

So far the Nicks have mainly served to take hits that would normally go to Oscars and keep flying, letting the Oscars swarm and kill a few things. It is strange, but once they arrived the Oscars managed a lot more good days than bad ones. I've lost about 28 Nicks already to A to A or ops, but only 8 pilots KIA.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/13/2012 11:40:32 PM

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Is the Ki-45 really worth being produced?

I do like the Nick, partly because it looks cool and partly because it's armoured and has more punch against the 4E's. I have found the Ki-44 IIa Tojo's not good in an anti-4E role and I use the Nick's to get in close to the bombers at a lower altitude and draw in CAP to allow the better fighters a chance at either escorts or bombers.

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A BA found Chihkiang empty today! All Chinese troops did in fact move out! They have also moved out of the contested hex just to the north. This is a huge relief for me, and a great chance to rest up troops.

This continues a pattern of leaving territory to keep the Chinese armies intact if there is a turn in the combat results. I can't figure out if this is good for him or not? It seems all of these troops are just going to starve soon. But there is a lot of raw Chinese AV left. At least 7-8k moving toward or already near Kweiyang. There is now about 4k moving north toward Chungking. Probably about 3-4k in Chungking. 5k at Kienko moving now toward Chengtu. I'm guessing 3k at Chengtu. That's 22-24k total AV!!!

I think this is quite a coup for you, nicely done. He may be keeping his forces intact, but that just means the supply situation just gets worse for him with the same number of mouths to feed. I sometimes wonder if losing a large number of Chinese troops isn't actually a good thing for the Allies. Less mouths to feed allowing supply to get to the remaining Chinese formations. Just a theory on my end, but I'm starting to lean towards having a large intact army for the Chinese may not be a good thing until they can actually be supplied. In this case less may be more.

At least now you can set those battered divisions into rest mode and get your HQ's quickening the pace of recovery being in an uncontested base hex. Banzai!

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/13/2012 11:56:28 PM

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Here is a compilation of rollovers from recon. There are a lot of troops here. Daunting to think of still trying to knock them all off. (That one in the middle I forgot the arrow on is Chungking).
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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/14/2012 12:03:17 AM

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Is the Ki-45 really worth being produced?

I do like the Nick, partly because it looks cool and partly because it's armoured and has more punch against the 4E's. I have found the Ki-44 IIa Tojo's not good in an anti-4E role and I use the Nick's to get in close to the bombers at a lower altitude and draw in CAP to allow the better fighters a chance at either escorts or bombers.

Good to know this works for you. I'll keep trying that. I agree as well, it does look cool!

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A BA found Chihkiang empty today! All Chinese troops did in fact move out! They have also moved out of the contested hex just to the north. This is a huge relief for me, and a great chance to rest up troops.

This continues a pattern of leaving territory to keep the Chinese armies intact if there is a turn in the combat results. I can't figure out if this is good for him or not? It seems all of these troops are just going to starve soon. But there is a lot of raw Chinese AV left. At least 7-8k moving toward or already near Kweiyang. There is now about 4k moving north toward Chungking. Probably about 3-4k in Chungking. 5k at Kienko moving now toward Chengtu. I'm guessing 3k at Chengtu. That's 22-24k total AV!!!

I think this is quite a coup for you, nicely done. He may be keeping his forces intact, but that just means the supply situation just gets worse for him with the same number of mouths to feed. I sometimes wonder if losing a large number of Chinese troops isn't actually a good thing for the Allies. Less mouths to feed allowing supply to get to the remaining Chinese formations. Just a theory on my end, but I'm starting to lean towards having a large intact army for the Chinese may not be a good thing until they can actually be supplied. In this case less may be more.

At least now you can set those battered divisions into rest mode and get your HQ's quickening the pace of recovery being in an uncontested base hex. Banzai!

Thanks! I'm trying to feel like it's a major accomplishment, but it's actually really another strategic decision by Jocke that has yet to be proved wrong. But as I said I am relieved and plan to enjoy it for a few days at least.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/14/2012 1:39:55 AM

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I'm not a big fan of the Nick ... 4x the cost of a Zero, I'd rather have 4 more Zeros myself.

And it is slow, just barely faster than the 4E's. I haven't had a lot of success with them.

4E's are tough, we all know that. The only thing I have had work for me is strong numerical superiority on them with Zeros (early war) and good air skill pilots with a good leader. If I can get 3:1 on the 4E's, I can bag a few and damage a few others that might not make it. The only thing that makes this work is the low 4E replacement rate. I hope to get 1:1 losses, and since the fight is over my turf, I only lose 40% of my pilots or so. I can do that.

Until George shows up ... there just isn't anything that works better for me.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/14/2012 8:30:11 AM

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I'm not a big fan of the Nick ... 4x the cost of a Zero, I'd rather have 4 more Zeros myself.� �

And it is slow, just barely faster than the 4E's.� I haven't had a�lot of success with them.

4E's are tough, we all know that.� The only thing I have had work for me is strong numerical superiority on them with Zeros (early war) and good air skill pilots with a good leader.� If I can get 3:1 on the 4E's, I can bag a few and damage a few others that might not make it.� The only thing that makes this work is�the low 4E replacement rate.� I hope to get 1:1 losses,�and since the fight is over my turf, I only lose 40% of my pilots or so.� I can do that.

Until George shows up ... there just isn't anything that works better for me.

The only problem is i don't have more zero groups. I'd love to have more zeros as well.

The Nick is there to supplement the Oscars. I do in Burma have overwhelming odds in terms of mutually supporting IJAAF airgroups. 80 Oscars do fairly well so far, but they seem to do better when I throw in 20 Nicks and 20 A6M3.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/14/2012 9:32:37 AM

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I'm not a big fan of the Nick ... 4x the cost of a Zero, I'd rather have 4 more Zeros myself.� �

And it is slow, just barely faster than the 4E's.� I haven't had a�lot of success with them.

4E's are tough, we all know that.� The only thing I have had work for me is strong numerical superiority on them with Zeros (early war) and good air skill pilots with a good leader.� If I can get 3:1 on the 4E's, I can bag a few and damage a few others that might not make it.� The only thing that makes this work is�the low 4E replacement rate.� I hope to get 1:1 losses,�and since the fight is over my turf, I only lose 40% of my pilots or so.� I can do that.

Until George shows up ... there just isn't anything that works better for me.

The only problem is i don't have more zero groups. I'd love to have more zeros as well.

The Nick is there to supplement the Oscars. I do in Burma have overwhelming odds in terms of mutually supporting IJAAF airgroups. 80 Oscars do fairly well so far, but they seem to do better when I throw in 20 Nicks and 20 A6M3.

Can't you use Akagi to resize every Zero Unit to 81 and then split it?

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/14/2012 9:40:15 AM

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subs: O19 is sighted and dives deep near SW OZ. Same with Tarpon. And with Stingray. DD Arare finds and attacks KXII near Exmouth and get a deep water hit! Amazing.

I-172 is sighted but not attacked near Sale. A different group of ASW DDs sights I-16 just after it launches 6 fish at them, but all miss and it takes a hit, not penetrating.

West Australia: Darwin continues to be bombed as troops march toward it.

So Pac: Lots of stuff moving around Sydney. Hence all of the ASW DDs and the subs getting sighted. Maybe one will get lucky tomorrow.

China: At Chengtu a BA finds slightly fewer troops here than I'd expected. The arty is still about 3 days away, and I'll have to wait for supply to come in, but if those factors come together I'll DA soon. One of these Corps has been eating well, and is up to 617 AV now! I'm even more glad I decided for a China first policy looking at that info. I really wouldn't want to face an army made up of those or worse in 44.

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Ground combat at Chengtu (75,41)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3416 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4627

Defending force 64018 troops, 554 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2436

Japanese ground losses:
103 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
59th Infantry Brigade
5th Ind.Mixed Brigade
9th Tank Regiment
1st Ind.Mixed Brigade
8th Ind.Mixed Brigade
110th Division
5th Tank Regiment
3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
9th Ind.Mixed Brigade
27th Division
12th Tank Regiment
37th Division
15th Division
3rd Tank Regiment
36th Division
35th Division
11th Tank Regiment
10th Tank Regiment
13th Indpt Infantry Regiment
1st Army
China Expeditionary Army
11th Army
North China Area Army
12th Army

Defending units:
41st Chinese Corps
3rd Prov Chinese Corps
98th Chinese Corps
35th Chinese Corps
3rd Chinese Cavalry Corps
8th Route Army
95th Chinese Corps
66th Chinese Corps
34th Chinese Corps
43rd Chinese Corps
61st Chinese Corps
3rd Chinese Base Force

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Burma: At Magwe today two groups of B-17E try to hit the base but meet 33 A6M3 and 12 Oscars. The Allies lose 3 in A to A and 8 to ops losses out of 18 planes for only 1 hit on the oil!

I have a feeling Jocke is over there cursing the monsoons and that there should have been some preceding sweeps. Still this is very good.

No Pac: An interesting sighting during the past few days that I've decided to act on. It appears that about 10-12 cargo or troop ships have run the sub infested waters south of Alaska to Kodiak. They appear to be unloading there. A recon group will be assigned immediately and the 2 CVEs plus Shoho will take a run to the SE to see if they can get in position for an attack.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/14/2012 2:29:52 PM

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subs: The first thing I saw after the beginning bleeps of the replay was the Lexington! After it's DCing yesterday the I-16 blunders into the CV TF outside Sydney and shoots 8 at the Lady Lex. All torpedoes miss! I know it's hard to hit these fast CVs, but it hurts. This is the third shot we've had at a CV. No glory.

At least the sub managed to elude the escorts and headed up on its way to recover 16 system damage and replenish at Tulagi.

No Pac: No rise in detection levels here. Still moving East. Our raiding CL TF is moving up parallel to Seattle with the 2 AVs as well to provide more search and a surface threat. They'll be about 17 hexes West of Victoria, hoping the Cats are on normal not extended search range.

China: A bunch of Sallys hit Chinese troops for heavy disablements today. More than usual, which seems to indicate he keeps trying to get them into move mode. Either that or the bombers are just getting better.

Here is a compilation from two attack groups on the same troops there.

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Morning Air attack on 8th Chinese Corps, at 78,48 , near Chihkiang

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 41
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 54
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
480 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 31 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 35 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

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China (continued):

Another attack at Urumchi shows us to have surpassed these troops in raw AV. Can't quite get an even attack result, but closer, and more Chinese disabled as usual. I have to say I'm impressed with the Japanese mechanics and logistical train out here. Top notch. The tanks are fixed up in only a few days and ready to tool again. Probably not too realistic, but I'll take it.

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Ground combat at Urumchi (79,11)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1993 troops, 6 guns, 184 vehicles, Assault Value = 120

Defending force 4286 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 84

Japanese adjusted assault: 69

Allied adjusted defense: 79

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
222 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
310 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 36 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
20th Recon Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
13th Tank Regiment
27th Electric Engr Rgt /1

Defending units:
259th Brigade
9th Separate Brigade
19th Chinese Base Force
21st Chinese Base Force

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Burma: A little revenge and retribution was exacted over Burma today. Apparently there are now two groups of Lightnings (gulp) and they both swept Magwe. 50 P-38s can create a lot of problems for me. On the day 10 A6M3 were lost and 5 Oscars went down either in A to A or ops. Happily 5 Lightnings also didn't make it home, and hopefully their pilots didn't either. We only lost 4 pilots KIA, with another 8 WIA.

I had just tried splitting the Tainan group and setting them at 31k, 26k, and 15k so at least some would get to the bombers. Not good timing. I managed to lose the leading fighter ace with this experiment, Ota T. with his 8 kills. Well, he got his 9th today at least and then went down.

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
A6M3 Zero x 30
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 20

Allied aircraft
P-38E Lightning x 50

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 8 destroyed
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38E Lightning: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x P-38E Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet
9 x P-38E Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet

CAP engaged:
Ominato Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes
Tainan Ku S-1/A with A6M3 Zero (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 4 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 31000 and 34000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
Tainan Ku S-1/B with A6M3 Zero (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 4 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 35000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
Tainan Ku S-1/C with A6M3 Zero (2 airborne, 4 on standby, 4 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 26000 , scrambling fighters between 26000 and 36250.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
77th Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 10 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/14/2012 3:19:45 PM

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subs: No more sightings of CVs even though there are about 5 subs circling hungrily outside Sydney.

West Australia: Man it takes a long time to walk to Darwin from Wyndham! A few more hexes to go.

No Pac: Ok. One more day and then North. No sign that detection has gone up for this or for the SCTF with AVs. Still can't be sure we're not spotted, so all groups are ready to fly.

China: More devastating air attacks on ground troops.

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Morning Air attack on 16th Chinese Corps, at 76,44 , near Chungking

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 39
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 89

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
434 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 54 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Burma: A whole lot of P-40E swept Mandalay today. That is the center of the the interlocking support in the area. Today it worked.

For the day 23 P-40E were lost in A to A or ops to 4 Oscars and 2 Nicks. Banzai!

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Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 33
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 18

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 68

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 13 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 20000 feet *
12 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 20000 feet *
2 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 20000 feet *

CAP engaged:
Ominato Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(7 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes
1st Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes
27th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 12 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 27000 , scrambling fighters to 27000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
59th Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (4 airborne, 8 on standby, 18 scrambling)
12 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes

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So Pac: A MAJOR convoy is spotted and 'attacked' by I-21 today. The commander might have allocated a few more fish to this one though!

It's moving E. I though of pursuing with a good SCTF from the Gilberts, but there is no telling what is in the area around Pago Pago now, as they are several bases able to support attacking aircraft. Am I suddenly becoming prudent?

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Sub attack near Eua at 132,171

Japanese Ships
SS I-21, hits 1

Allied Ships
xAK Admiral Senn
CL Leander
DD Allen
DD Morris
xAP Echunga
xAP Corio
xAP Colac
xAP Aeon
xAP Adelong
xAK Hurricane
xAK Nabesna
xAK Hollywood
xAK Admiral Laws
xAK Admiral Chase
xAK Mormacrey
xAK Manulani
xAK Mana
xAK Makena
xAK Ewa
xAK Steel Worker
xAK Steel Seafarer
xAK Steel Navigator
xAK Mobile City
DD Gilmer
DD Fox

SS I-21 launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Admiral Senn
I-21 diving deep ....

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/14/2012 3:24:36 PM

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For the day 23 P-40E were lost

Very good! He only gets 35 a month. Keep it up and he'll have to use his P-39Ds.

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For the day 23 P-40E were lost

Very good! He only gets 35 a month. Keep it up and he'll have to use his P-39Ds.

I think I may need to mention my method of pilot training in my AAR. It looks like Jocke is not training them up enough before using them in combat. The problem for the Allies in 42 is NOT pilots, but not enough airframes.

Rest until Morale is 99
Double check your fighters leader to ensure Leadership, Air Skill, and Aggression is over 60 in that order (or very close to those values)
Set Altitude to about 15k
Set Range to 0 or 1
Set Training to 100% Escort
Once the Airgroups average Air skill is above 65, switch to Sweep and lower altitude to 100' This will train up your Straffing skill, but more importantly your Defend skill. When Defend skill has an average above 60, then the unit is ready for actual combat.
You can go higher with the Air and Defend skill, but this is done by those air units that will never see combat back in USA

Rinse and Repeat...

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/14/2012 4:08:02 PM

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Sorry for the intrusion, but what is Inspiration good for?

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Sorry for the intrusion, but what is Inspiration good for?

Better inspiration allow morale rebuild faster

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/14/2012 4:55:08 PM

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Sorry for the intrusion, but what is Inspiration good for?

Better inspiration allow morale rebuild faster

Doesn't it also help more planes get into the air, for both training and combat? I have the sheet explaining all of the ratings and what they're for bookmarked somewhere. I'll try to find it to make sure.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/14/2012 5:05:19 PM

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quote:

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For the day 23 P-40E were lost

Very good! He only gets 35 a month. Keep it up and he'll have to use his P-39Ds.

I think I may need to mention my method of pilot training in my AAR. It looks like Jocke is not training them up enough before using them in combat. The problem for the Allies in 42 is NOT pilots, but not enough airframes.

Rest until Morale is 99
Double check your fighters leader to ensure Leadership, Air Skill, and Aggression is over 60 in that order (or very close to those values)
Set Altitude to about 15k
Set Range to 0 or 1
Set Training to 100% Escort
Once the Airgroups average Air skill is above 65, switch to Sweep and lower altitude to 100' This will train up your Straffing skill, but more importantly your Defend skill. When Defend skill has an average above 60, then the unit is ready for actual combat.
You can go higher with the Air and Defend skill, but this is done by those air units that will never see combat back in USA

Rinse and Repeat...

Mine is as follows:

Put one high exp pilot into the group, 80 or above. Skill in anything, not necessarily what is being trained. I usually try for the correct skill though. Put another pilot in who is trained, at least 50-60 exp and 70 skill.

Change leader to one with high inspiration and leadership. Other skills don't matter as much for training, as far as I understand. Again, I'll need to find the sheet someone wrote out that detailed this stuff, and I could be remembering some incorrectly. So far this has been working well though.

Then fill with replacement or other untrained pilots. I train to 50/70 using 100% - 0 range - Escort 10,000ft for fighter pilots. I usually get to 45/70 and then switch to 100% - 0 range - Sweep 100ft. So not that different. I can usually get them to about 55-70 this way, with 70 defense as well.

I agree, if the last step is not done, they will suffer more in combat especially since I have a lot of very experienced pilots out there still. Hoping to hold onto some to use in Tojos if the P-38s can be held off a bit.

For some special bombing groups training I can get 55-60 exp/65 nab bomb/70 torp/65 ground bomb/55 search. Takes a while, but I haven't lost a lot of Nettie pilots so I've decided to get a good first crop before streamlining a bit more later.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/14/2012 5:20:27 PM

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ny59giants found it and posted the whole bloody thing in his AAR. Very important reading. I hope whoever compiled it knew what they were talking about because it's what I use exclusively when I have a question about these areas of skill.

Here is the relevant info about inspiration and training.

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� Inspiration � Influences the number of CAP/bombing/patrol aircraft that will fly. Influences air group morale recovery.

And for training the only ones that count are Leadership and Inspiration.

Training Mission as Principle Role

This includes all air groups. Assign leader using these priorities:

� Inspiration �Influences air group morale recovery.
� Leadership � Influences the air group�s experience gain.
� Of small import, Air Skill influences results in air-to-air combat.
� No other skills or qualities have any influence.

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Glad I remembered it mostly as this is what I've been using for the past 7 months in game.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/14/2012 6:02:47 PM

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For the day 23 P-40E were lost

Very good! He only gets 35 a month. Keep it up and he'll have to use his P-39Ds.

This is the second time in a month that (mostly) Oscars have managed to do this kind of work.They do seem better when working with other planes in the battle, like the Nicks and A6M2s here. Although I'm not a fan yet, I don't think they're as worthless as I once did.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/14/2012 6:32:57 PM

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subs: O16 goes for to SCs near Exmouth, missing both.

Near Lahaina I-19 finds a fat AO/TK convoy but is sighted first by escorts. Only the second or third of these spotted during seven months of the game. It will pusue and one other sub is in the vicinity as well. An AV snuck into the mid-Pacific escorted by and AMC and a DMS will move onto a vector from this spot to San Diego and hold for a few days.

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ASW attack near Lahaina at 193,102

Japanese Ships
SS I-19

Allied Ships
AO Guadalupe
AO Cimarron
AO Kaskaskia
AO Neosho
AO Ramapo
TK Erling Brovig
TK Gulfking
TK Montebello
DD Kane
DD Hatfield

SS I-19 is sighted by escort
I-19 diving deep ....

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A very busy day under the waves as I-166 is attacked by ASW near Surat.

Near Karachi I-32 takes out xAK Jalagopal with 2 hits from 2 fired. Good aim!

Tarpon is sighted near Bali, so some naval search will have to be extended to this area as a lot of heavily laden troop ships will be through soon. Nells are flying from Koepang for now until IJAAF forces can be brought in.

No Pac: The CV TF will move at flank to the North toward Kodiak tomorrow, getting within 6 hexes for the Vals, and will attempt to hit the ten ships (AP/AK/DD as listed by recon). US CVs were recently sighted near Sydney, so this is a relatively safe move, I think. Wasp could be anywhere right now, but these three ships should at least give her a run for her money if she's alone. The Shoho groups are elite to say the least.

Two 10 plane zero groups will sweep Kodiak from Cold Bay, but the pilots are only 45/65 trained, so these are really sacrificial in order to soften up the CAP of 40 planes, as reported. You never know what level of CAP is flying if we are not sighted, though.

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West Australia: About two days away from entering Darwin now.

So Pac: I send Netties to attack a unit that showed up on sigint yesterday moving N of Cairns. Turns out it's two units, a base force and an AA. I might wait until they're a bit farther up the road and then hit them again.

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Morning Air attack on 94th Coast AA Regiment, at 90,135 , near Coen

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
G3M3 Nell x 13
G4M1 Betty x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x G3M3 Nell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 3rd RAAF M/W Sqn ...
Also attacking 94th Coast AA Regiment ...

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China: Bombing of exposing ground troops continues. They've been stalled north of Chungking for quite a few days now, so this might be having an affect on their ability to move.

Tomorrow another DA will go forward at Urumchi.

Arty and engineers should arrive at Chengtu tomorrow. Now we'll have to see when supply arrives.

Burma: All quiet today as wounds are licked on both sides.
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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/15/2012 3:10:54 AM

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I would guess half the ac at Kodiac are float planes and maybe some ASW Bolos. There are 2 squadrons of Lancers (if upgraded yet, I don't think its late enough for P40s there) based at Anchorage, could be those.

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I would guess half the ac at Kodiac are float planes and maybe some ASW Bolos. There are 2 squadrons of Lancers (if upgraded yet, I don't think its late enough for P40s there) based at Anchorage, could be those.

I wish you had been right about this! But there is a bit more there right now. Probably due to my interest in the area and taking everything up to Cold Bay.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 4/15/2012 9:42:50 AM

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subs: The day starts with I-18 sighting a YP 4 hexes South of Kodiak, much farther afield than usual. It 'elects not to fire at this target!'

No Pac: The CV TF heads north and the strikes from Cold Bay sweep the base at Kodiak. Two successive zero groups fly in. The first of 9 planes finds 16 Kittyhawk I and 18 F4F-3 on CAP. It suffers 5 losses and takes out 2 Wildcats. The next group of 8 zeros finds 13 Kittyhawks and 9 Wildcats, and loses 2 for 1 Kittyhawk. This was about as planned, just softening the CAP at the expense of these not quite fininshed pilots and a few zeros.

After sitting through a number of other engagements in China and elsewhere during the morning phase, Shoho and company launch a small strike package into heavy rain over Kodiak. Only 16 zeros and 11 Vals make an attempt, meeting 12 Kittyhawks and 5 Wildcats. � Vals are lost during air combat as the zero pilots can't ward off the attackers and 1 each of the fighters are exchanged as well. The Vals achieve only 1 bomb hit on xAK Yunnan.

The higher quality Kate and zero pilots from Shoho do 'elect' to take out two of the YPs instead of going for the big supply convoy to the north. I've restrained myself for a long while from using the rolling eye face, but now is definitely the time.

In the afternoon phase everything changes. Suddenly a full strike package launches, coordinated and flying ... SOUTH?!!?

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Sitkinak Island at 186,55

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21
B5N1 Kate x 11
B5N2 Kate x 8
D3A1 Val x 11

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
B5N1 Kate: 3 damaged
B5N1 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
BB North Carolina, Bomb hits 2
CV Wasp, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1
CLAA San Diego

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
7 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
11 x B5N1 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VF-71 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes

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I just about jumped out of my chair! I knew there was a chance this CV could make it into the area, but had no idea it was coming in spite of two separate AV Jake groups flying search in the mid-Pacific and two subs staking out the approaches North. But so be it. We got a strike in first! I was pretty disappointed that the zeros, many from the elite Shoho group with average experience of 72 and 5 pilots over 80 exp, still let the Wildcats get to the bombers.

Unfortunately the Vals took too many shots at the North Carolina and let Wasp get off easy with only 1 torp and 1 250kg hit. Not enough to interrupt flight ops. Just one more hit of either might have done it and changed the entire day. Instead ...

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Sitkinak Island at 184,49

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 20

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 14
SBD-3 Dauntless x 29
TBF-1 Avenger x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
BB Ise, Bomb hits 4
CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 3, on fire
CVE Unyo
CVE Chuyo, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Shirakumo

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
6 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
12 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
6th Ku S-1/A with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes
2nd Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 21000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes
Shoho-1 with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 8 minutes

Fuel storage explosion on CVE Chuyo
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Chuyo
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVL Shoho

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Again, a little upset by the CAP performance. They didn't even get to the bombers before the attack commenced. They should have been able to eat that escorting group of Wildcats for lunch and move through. It wouldn't have stopped the CVs from taking a few hits, but could have reduced the number.

Still, I felt we got off lightly here. I was relieved to see Shoho after the battle with 39 sys 22(14) float and 5 engine damage. Chuyo is a goner, though. I took all pilots out of the group left on. Most planes diverted to Cold Bay and the other CVs. I'll take all off of Shoho just in case and leave Zeros and Kates on Unyo.

Just like North Carolina, Ise did its job and sucked up a few hits that did virtually nothing to it.

Now all TFs reform and Ise will go with two DDs and Shoho back to Dutch Harbor. The Unyo will stay with the main body and move at mission speed back to DH as well. As fighter groups, about 35 Zeros and Rufes from Cold Bay will LR CAP both TFs. The Chuyo will be let go to suck up any more attacks should she make it through the night. I'm a bit concerned Jocke will peruse with the Wasp. She can still launch planes, and he knows Shoho may be slowed by the hits she took.

All subs in the area will divert to try to intercept the Wasp TF, about 5 in all with one staked on the approaches to Seattle.

Strangely, our AV and CL TFs are 10 hexes to the East of the Wasp now. The CL and 4 DD will move at flank to the SW to try to intercept. The AVs will move NW to attempt to escape, but will have all Jakes on night naval attack. If the Combat ships can get in there they could do some damage, or slow the TF further so others could move in. We'll see.

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So Pac: A large TF was sighted SE of Noumea by about 12 hexes. It might be just transports to OZ, but the KB will fire up the engines and have a look, as there is also an AK at Tanna all of a sudden. Is this an invasion?

China: Lots of bombing.

At Urumchi good results were achieved on the ground. The DA came out 1:1 and 7 Chinese infantry were destroyed while 34 were disabled. Our troops suffered only a few minor losses. Tomorrow these will keep going as supply is holding out.
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