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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 1/10/2013 12:48:19 PM   
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Yes, maybe you're right. Now i realize that Joc hasn't left anything to cover its road supply line north of Prome... crazy!
If i was him i'd drive all the way to Bassein, jumping in clear terrain with my armour, while my divisions hold you back at Prome. Who gives a crap about Mandaly if you can have Rangoon?
However now that i look at your map, yes, it may be holdable but i strongly advice to have a plan for a fast strategic retreat if things go wrong.
Good thing you're already building Thailand.

How's your defences in North and western Sumatra? Pagang, Siberoet, Benkoleng, Sebang etc...?


Yeah, I know he has a US division moving forward, plus more moving from Akyab, but that hex is open now. I'm throwing a tank regiment at it. The hope is that the easier supply path will be severed, and stuff will have to move through more difficult one, possibly taking a while to get going. I'm sure the tanks will suffer.

The path I was preparing for is the one you outline. Heading for Bassein and blocking at Prome. I had most of the AA moved into this region and about half of the LCUs, 4k-5k AV. Since he went into the plains I am now having to shift it all around, but there is some time at least to do this. That is the main reason Magwe troops got nailed after I moved out all of the AA there.

In Sumatra I've been building forts and intended to use the brigades I've just dropped into Rangoon for that area. Because I know the US CVs are still in the Pacific and I do have some critical points partially garrisoned with air defenses and HQa in place, I decided Burma was in the most dire need. A serious risk, as it will be a while until I have some force in upper Sumatra now. Padang and Benkolen are built but have only naval guard units. Siberot and Sabang need garrisons but forts are in place. Sabang has a regiment and some arty with another naval guard en route.

I just got all of the Brigades in China listed in the ops report below. I plan to buy out one of the brigades below per week and send them to Sumatra and a few islands in the SE DEI. There are some other units also arriving in the next few months to add in.





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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 1/10/2013 3:15:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a shot of Burma with some plans for defensive lines. I'm trying to imagine the prep and movement of large forces with long supply lines for the Allies, and before he gets Rangoon it will hopefully be tough to move quickly. I'm not sure how realistic I'm being here, but I'm hoping for the best and trying to imagine a somewhat organized plan of retreat. Any major rout and breakthrough could severely alter these plans. Maybe I'm not seeing clearly where the good defensive positions are either, so if you guys see any glaring issues, let me know.

The dotted areas are ones where i imagine less set defensive positions as they're farther from the previous line or less focal for moves to the areas of interest. Areas on the Chinese border will be pretty easy to defend as they are good territory and I have a LOT of Chinese units to use.




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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 1/10/2013 4:29:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think your ability to withdraw into China is both a blessing and a curse so to speak. It definitely reduces the risk of being cut off but also disperses your defence to cover a much longer MLR. Which are you more willing to lose? Have you thought about trying to steer Jocke's offensive in a direction of your choosing? If you could get him focused on Katha, Myitkyina, Bhamo and Lashio that could buy you a lot of time to improve your Prome, Toungoo and Taung Gyi line and get your Apr. 44 line prepared in depth. The fact that you control all the bases on the supply road to Chungking means Jocke mostly likely won't be able to change anything in China for at least a year so I'd definitely look to shift your focus and make sure Moulmein and area stay Japanese for a long time.

The interior lines of communication should make it pretty easy for you to redeploy and entice Jocke to shift his advance farther north if you choose to. If the large enemy force at Akyab heads for the plains rather than Prome I think you'll have time to secure your Feb. 44 line anchored at Toungoo, but I'd include Taung Gyi. I'd be prepared to give up the plains without a fight if need be, don't be sentimental about the effort you put into building them up. I know you want the Allies to pay heavily to take them, but not at the expense of weakening the more formidable MLR you can establish using the terrain to your benefit.

Personally, I like your Feb. 44 MLR, but I'd shift it to cover Lashio and Paoshan rather than up to Myitkyina. I'd try enticing the Allies to move against Katha and Myitkyina which buys you more time. You can still eventually withdraw/reinforce your Feb. 44 MLR from China if needed from the secondary road west of Kunming.

I think Mandalay is not the key to defending the plains, Meiktila is. Once either Meiktila (more important) or Magwe are taken Mandalay becomes rather meaningless.

Just some thoughts based on what I currently see from your screenshot.

I hate Burma.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 1/10/2013 8:09:22 PM   
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I think your ability to withdraw into China is both a blessing and a curse so to speak. It definitely reduces the risk of being cut off but also disperses your defence to cover a much longer MLR. Which are you more willing to lose? Have you thought about trying to steer Jocke's offensive in a direction of your choosing? If you could get him focused on Katha, Myitkyina, Bhamo and Lashio that could buy you a lot of time to improve your Prome, Toungoo and Taung Gyi line and get your Apr. 44 line prepared in depth. The fact that you control all the bases on the supply road to Chungking means Jocke mostly likely won't be able to change anything in China for at least a year so I'd definitely look to shift your focus and make sure Moulmein and area stay Japanese for a long time.

The interior lines of communication should make it pretty easy for you to redeploy and entice Jocke to shift his advance farther north if you choose to. If the large enemy force at Akyab heads for the plains rather than Prome I think you'll have time to secure your Feb. 44 line anchored at Toungoo, but I'd include Taung Gyi. I'd be prepared to give up the plains without a fight if need be, don't be sentimental about the effort you put into building them up. I know you want the Allies to pay heavily to take them, but not at the expense of weakening the more formidable MLR you can establish using the terrain to your benefit.

Personally, I like your Feb. 44 MLR, but I'd shift it to cover Lashio and Paoshan rather than up to Myitkyina. I'd try enticing the Allies to move against Katha and Myitkyina which buys you more time. You can still eventually withdraw/reinforce your Feb. 44 MLR from China if needed from the secondary road west of Kunming.

I think Mandalay is not the key to defending the plains, Meiktila is. Once either Meiktila (more important) or Magwe are taken Mandalay becomes rather meaningless.

Just some thoughts based on what I currently see from your screenshot.

I hate Burma.


I like your thinking here. I could run everything important to the South while the rail is still open, then keep a skeleton force in the plains just to make him have to take the bases (if the 4Es don't grind the remaining units into pulp first). While he takes the plains, I get the first two MLRs set up. Thinking about it I really like the Feb 44 line as well with the collapsing of the right flank in Northern Burma and protecting only the bases at Lashio and Paoshan and the roads between. This entire time I've been thinking I should keep him from getting to China and keep him from getting toward Thailand for as long as possible.

I actually do want him moving toward China. I have many more troops there to use that are restricted, so if he forces me to Paoshan, great. Welcome to the Chinese Expediationary Army. Here are 6 reinforced divisions in a jungle/mountain hex with 6-7 forts. Go for it. Every step there would be a grind.

I'm going to do some redrawing.

PS - Operation SqzMyPaoshan?

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 1/10/2013 9:08:20 PM   
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PS - Operation SqzMyPaoshan?


I'd forgotten about Operation SqzMyWenchow!

I agree with your assesment about China. If Jocke decides to try and open a direct LOC to free up his Chinese reservation you've won a strategic victory. It will resemble the Italian theatre in terms of time and cost for him and not improve his overall situation that much. More so when you can use restricted units that otherwise would be doing nothing, as you point out.

It's going to take a little magic though in terms of timing and force allocation to make things just tough enough to slow him down, yet reward his success by dangling a carrot representing possible Chinese liberation and hope he jumps at it, rather than seize the central plains and launch a mutually supporting two pronged thrust against Prome and Toungoo. It all depends on if he'll play ball or not.

Interesting times.

I'll be following along closely as this theatre always concerns me and learning how to defend it properly is a big deal in my books. I hate Burma.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 1/11/2013 4:14:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would have to agree with the others. You are facing disaster if you continue to fight for the center of Burma into 1944. It is not just the terrain but by now the Allied player should have enough surplus assault shipping that he could mount a major invasion anywhere along the coast and flank the whole Burma theater. If he springs a major invasion on Pegu, Moulmein, Rangoon or even one of the points to the South then your whole force will be cut off from supply. I pulled this on Viberpol in our game and I would say it cost him the equivalent of 15 divisions. Not only was he trapped and out of supply he then had no force to block the capture of Bangkok or prevent an easy drive into central SE Asia. There just comes a point when Burma has to be evacuated and Rangoon given up.

Quite frankly, it is now 1944 and he is way past the point where he should have invaded in your rear somewhere. Sabang is an option too. Looks like he has commitments elsewhere but he is getting a lot of amphibious ships by now and may be eyeballing you in Burma.

Knowing now what I know about Allied capability in 1944, if I was playing Japan, my defensive line would be along the Molmeim/Chaing Mai line. Great terrain, shorter supply line and not so easy to flank.

You do have some advantage in that you control the Burma road through China but I don't think enough supply can flow through that route to Burma and getting flanked and having to evacuate through China is not necessarily the best thing.

I will say that for the Allies it gets to be a problem supporting a major offensive as supply does not flow well from India to Burma. He is going to have some trouble until he takes some cities in the central plain and expands them. Plus if he gets Ramree Island then supplies flow very well from there into any portion of Burma. (God bless the LST!) But if you stay in open terrain, you will just be doing him a favor. Especially if he has lots of armor.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 1/11/2013 4:26:56 AM   
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Here is a shot of Burma with some plans for defensive lines. I'm trying to imagine the prep and movement of large forces with long supply lines for the Allies, and before he gets Rangoon it will hopefully be tough to move quickly. I'm not sure how realistic I'm being here, but I'm hoping for the best and trying to imagine a somewhat organized plan of retreat. Any major rout and breakthrough could severely alter these plans. Maybe I'm not seeing clearly where the good defensive positions are either, so if you guys see any glaring issues, let me know.

The dotted areas are ones where i imagine less set defensive positions as they're farther from the previous line or less focal for moves to the areas of interest. Areas on the Chinese border will be pretty easy to defend as they are good territory and I have a LOT of Chinese units to use.





With China completely lost, there is no strategic benefit to the Allies in retaking one single point in Burma. There are very few VP to be had, no industry to take out-nothing worth expending time and troops on that can be used elsewhere. Rangoon is nice due to the VP and the port but otherwise there is nothing there that will benefit the Allies or help them win the war. Only a fool would even consider a campaign back towards or into China. Are you assuming that your opponent will do what you want or expect him to do? Perhaps he will wise up and just say the "heck with it" and go deep into the DEI. That is what I would do if I were him. He should be looking toward your oil fields and not at Burma at all.

Sorry, I am just a die hard Allied FB. I wish I could grab your opponent by the ears and shake some sense into him... You have done a great job so far.


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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 1/11/2013 7:11:14 AM   
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With China completely lost, there is no strategic benefit to the Allies in retaking one single point in Burma. There are very few VP to be had, no industry to take out-nothing worth expending time and troops on that can be used elsewhere. Rangoon is nice due to the VP and the port but otherwise there is nothing there that will benefit the Allies or help them win the war. Only a fool would even consider a campaign back towards or into China. Are you assuming that your opponent will do what you want or expect him to do? Perhaps he will wise up and just say the "heck with it" and go deep into the DEI. That is what I would do if I were him. He should be looking toward your oil fields and not at Burma at all.

Sorry, I am just a die hard Allied FB. I wish I could grab your opponent by the ears and shake some sense into him... You have done a great job so far.



No apologies needed. Some new developments show that my opponent may indeed have realized all of this and has been toying with my ability to use internal lines a bit with his movement so far in Burma. If that is indeed the case, kudos to him.

The idea proposed by Joseph in no way implies that I thikn Jocke will bite and go all-in for China. If any of his resources are allocated to that route though, that would be a bonus for me. It was more of a useful wakeup call for my strategy. I think I'd become too precious about BUrma, having been in it and building up the defenses for so long. I needed a shake-up of concept, and that did it.

Why are any good troops guarding the approaches to China? Well that is my failing. They shouldn't be. They should be an absolute wall protecting the approach to Thailand and the DEI. So at least now, if I'm not too late, I can make that shift of strategy and bring more to bear instead of having my forces split.

It's all new, I've not tried any of this before, but I should have thought a bit more deeply about it all maybe, um, about a month ago.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 1/11/2013 8:08:02 AM   
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The idea proposed by Joseph in no way implies that I thikn Jocke will bite and go all-in for China. If any of his resources are allocated to that route though, that would be a bonus for me. It was more of a useful wakeup call for my strategy. I think I'd become too precious about BUrma, having been in it and building up the defenses for so long. I needed a shake-up of concept, and that did it.

Why are any good troops guarding the approaches to China? Well that is my failing. They shouldn't be. They should be an absolute wall protecting the approach to Thailand and the DEI. So at least now, if I'm not too late, I can make that shift of strategy and bring more to bear instead of having my forces split.


My thoughts exactly. I don't think Jocke will go all-in for China either, it may be too late for you to hope for that now. However, I still think you'll have time to shift into better terrain and block the direct route. The railway is going to be invaluable for your redeployment, so at least Jocke hasn't blocked it yet.

I just know from my experience that you can only hold Burma by not fighting in it . There's no catch all strategy for the theatre and the time always comes when you have to just cut most of it loose.

I wish I'd mentioned this to you maybe, um, about a month ago.

P.s. I learned the same painful lesson in my previous AAR. I misplayed Burma too and beat myself up over it for not seeing it sooner.
<<<< for me, not you.

I hate Burma.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 1/11/2013 4:46:46 PM   
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SUBS: British subs hit 2 DDs near Ramree after naval battles at Akyab, sinking both.

SOUTH PACIFIC: Milne Bay shrugs off another big raid with little damage. I'm also sending in ships to begin evacuating big useful infantry, AA and engineer units for use in the DEI.

WEST OZ: Troop ships are loading at Darwin and Exmouth. Praying for a few more days of calm. Interestingly, no recon these days at Exmouth. Darwin has protection from 100 fighters, but is under constant scrutiny.

BURMA: The oceans took precedent during these turns. I sent DDs to hit PT boats at Ranree Island on the 8th. All good there. The moon helped us sink five.

The bombardment didn't go, and I probably should have cancelled for another time. Instead I though maybe he wouldn't imagine such a bold step. never a good assumption against good play. So we had a tussle. Five British CA were sitting at Akyab waiting, and the BB, 2 CA, CL, 7 DD TF went in. The battle started at 2k and Takao was hit early with a TT that probably ruined our chances of getting away with good results here. Nothing sank but a Brit DD in the first engagement, but the Takao and the Nagara were about to go and were put in escort TFs.

I hate this function, as then the DD allocated to them were out of action and also left unCAPed, which showed up as a problem later. So with now only 5 DD, the Hiei and Kinugasa met the Brits again, sinking the Shropshire and Exeter. The Kinugasa was in sorry shape though and sank after the battle.

The devastating part was later when subs nailed 2 DD and air strikes hit the unCAPed escorts for three more losses.

Looks like I tried for too much here, and wasn't quite powerful or subtle enough in my methods to get in there.

CENTRAL PACFIC: Ships are hanging around Canton Island and some subs are lurking in the area hoping for opportunities. Baker Island does make forts 6. He most likely won't even hit it now, though.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR December 8, 43
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Ramree Island at 54,48, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Akigumo
DD Hayashimo
DD Akishimo
DD Oboro

Allied Ships
MTB 283
MTB 284
MTB 285
MTB 286, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB 291
MTB 292
MTB 293, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB 294

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Ramree Island at 54,48, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Akigumo
DD Hayashimo
DD Akishimo
DD Oboro

Allied Ships
MTB 275
MTB 276
MTB 277
MTB 278
MTB 279
MTB 280
MTB 281, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB 282, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Ramree Island at 54,48, Range 20,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Akigumo
DD Hayashimo
DD Akishimo
DD Oboro

Allied Ships
MTB 283
MTB 284
MTB 285
MTB 291
MTB 292, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB 294

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Sub attack near Milne Bay at 101,133

Japanese Ships
SS I-10, hits 6

Allied Ships
DMS Zane
DMS Lamberton
DMS Boggs

SS I-10 launches 2 torpedoes at DMS Zane
DMS Lamberton attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-10 eludes ASW attack from DMS Lamberton
Escort abandons search for sub

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Morning Air attack on Gove , at 82,127

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 3 damaged

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 48

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x G3M3 Nell bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR December 9, 43
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ASW attack near Milne Bay at 101,134

Japanese Ships
SS RO-62, hits 2

Allied Ships
DMS Zane, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DMS Lamberton
DMS Boggs

SS RO-62 launches 4 torpedoes at DMS Zane
RO-62 diving deep ....
DMS Boggs attacking submerged sub ....
DMS Boggs cannot reach attack position over SS RO-62
SS RO-62 eludes ASW attack from DMS Boggs
DMS Boggs attacking submerged sub ....
DMS Boggs cannot reach attack position over SS RO-62
Escort abandons search for sub

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Akyab at 54,45, Range 7,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei
CA Takao, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Kinugasa, Shell hits 3, on fire
CL Nagara, Shell hits 13, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Asashio
DD Arashio, Shell hits 2
DD Umikaze, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Hibiki
DD Usugumo
DD Shirakumo, Shell hits 1
DD Yugiri, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
CA Shropshire, Shell hits 4, on fire
CA Dorsetshire, Shell hits 2
CA Sussex, Shell hits 1
CA Suffolk, Shell hits 2
CA Exeter, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Racehorse
DD Rapid
DD Redoubt, Shell hits 1
DD Relentless, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Roebuck, Shell hits 1
DD Rotherham, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
Range closes to 13,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 7,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 7,000 yards
CL Nagara engages CA Suffolk at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
CA Takao engages CA Exeter at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 5,000 yards
CL Nagara engages CA Exeter at 5,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Exeter at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Shropshire at 11,000 yards
Range increases to 13,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Exeter at 13,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards
CA Exeter engages CL Nagara at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards
CA Exeter engages CL Nagara at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Exeter at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
CL Nagara engages CA Exeter at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 9,000 yards
CA Takao engages CA Exeter at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Suffolk at 12,000 yards
CA Takao engages CA Suffolk at 12,000 yards
DD Asashio engages DD Rapid at 12,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Akyab at 54,45, Range 7,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
Walrus II: 1 destroyed
Seagull V: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei, Shell hits 1
CA Kinugasa, Shell hits 14, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Asashio
DD Arashio, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Hibiki
DD Usugumo, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Shirakumo, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
CA Shropshire, Shell hits 17, and is sunk
CA Dorsetshire, Shell hits 3, on fire
CA Sussex
CA Suffolk
CA Exeter, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Racehorse, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Rapid, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
DD Redoubt, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Relentless, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
DD Roebuck, Shell hits 1

Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
Range closes to 13,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 7,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 7,000 yards
CA Kinugasa engages CA Exeter at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
CA Exeter sunk by CA Kinugasa at 2,000 yards
Massive explosion on CA Shropshire
CA Shropshire sunk by BB Hiei at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 5,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Sussex at 5,000 yards
CA Suffolk engages CA Kinugasa at 5,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages DD Shirakumo at 5,000 yards
Range increases to 6,000 yards
CA Suffolk engages CA Kinugasa at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 8,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Dorsetshire at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Dorsetshire at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Dorsetshire at 8,000 yards
DD Racehorse engages DD Usugumo at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
CA Kinugasa engages CA Suffolk at 10,000 yards
DD Shirakumo engages DD Racehorse at 10,000 yards
Boyd, D.W. orders Allied TF to disengage
Range closes to 7,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Suffolk at 7,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages CA Kinugasa at 7,000 yards
DD Shirakumo engages DD Racehorse at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 13,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Suffolk at 13,000 yards
CA Suffolk engages CA Kinugasa at 13,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Akyab at 54,45, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
[color] Takao, and is sunk
DD Umikaze, on fire
DD Yugiri

Allied Ships
MTB 275
MTB 276, Shell hits 1
MTB 277
MTB 278
MTB 279
MTB 280, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

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Sub attack near Ramree Island at 53,48

Japanese Ships
DD Usugumo, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Shirakumo

Allied Ships
SS Trespasser

SS Trespasser launches 4 torpedoes at DD Usugumo
Trespasser diving deep ....
DD Shirakumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Sub attack near Prome at 53,50

Japanese Ships
DD Yugiri, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Trusty

SS Trusty launches 2 torpedoes at DD Yugiri
Trusty diving deep ....
Sub escapes detection

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Morning Air attack on 50th Tank Brigade, at 55,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 96
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 15 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
35 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Milne Bay , at 101,133

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes


Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 15
B-17E Fortress x 15
B-24D Liberator x 17
B-24D1 Liberator x 70
B-24J Liberator x 23
B-25C Mitchell x 42
B-25D1 Mitchell x 79
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 20


Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Airbase hits 42
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 89

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Prome at 53,50

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes


Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 8
P-40K Warhawk x 25

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Umikaze, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

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Morning Air attack on 20th AA Regiment, at 59,45 (Shwebo)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes


Allied aircraft
Blenheim VD x 13
Liberator II x 12
Liberator B.III x 12
Liberator GR.III x 10
Wellington Ic x 26
Wellington B.X x 26
B-17F Fortress x 3
B-24D Liberator x 20
B-24D1 Liberator x 67
B-24J Liberator x 50
B-25C Mitchell x 41


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington Ic: 1 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 1 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
271 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 13 destroyed, 59 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 69 (15 destroyed, 54 disabled)
Vehicles lost 47 (11 destroyed, 36 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Wellington B.X bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Prome at 53,50

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 4 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Allied aircraft
Albacore I x 15
Spitfire VIII x 15

Allied aircraft losses
Albacore I: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Shirakumo, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Hibiki, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

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Reinforcements: These infantry are the units that go to the DEI. I'll buy one a week. The air HQ and base forces are for Thailand and N Malaya.

9th Air Division arrives at Saigon
5th Ind.Infantry Brigade arrives at Hankow
12th Ind.Infantry Brigade arrives at Hankow
6th Ind.Infantry Brigade arrives at Shanghai
7th Ind.Infantry Brigade arrives at Nanchang
13th Ind.Infantry Brigade arrives at Canton
1st Ind.Infantry Brigade arrives at Tsingtao
2nd Ind.Infantry Brigade arrives at Peiping
9th Ind.Infantry Brigade arrives at Tientsin
3rd Ind.Infantry Brigade arrives at Peiping
4th Ind.Infantry Brigade arrives at Peiping
87th JAAF AF Bn arrives at Saigon
89th JAAF AF Bn arrives at Saigon
22nd JAAF Base Force arrives at Nagasaki/Sasebo
26th JAAF Base Force arrives at Shanghai
27th JAAF Base Force arrives at Sapporo
30th JAAF Base Force arrives at Tokyo

Aircraft N1K2-J George advances R&D (3/44)

Losses: Losing another two CA is tough, but at this point in the game not unexpected. At least we took out an equal number. It's the DDs that are concerning me.

Loss of CA Takao on Dec 09, 1943 is admitted
CA Kinugasa
CL Nagara
Loss of DD Umikaze on Dec 09, 1943 is admitted
Loss of DD Hibiki on Dec 09, 1943 is admitted
Loss of DD Usugumo on Dec 09, 1943 is admitted
Loss of DD Shirakumo on Dec 09, 1943 is admitted
Loss of DD Yugiri on Dec 09, 1943 is admitted

Ships Sunk: Not a bad haul, just a high price.

MTB 281 is reported to have been sunk near Ramree Island on Dec 08, 1943
MTB 282 is reported to have been sunk near Ramree Island on Dec 08, 1943
MTB 286 is reported to have been sunk near Ramree Island on Dec 08, 1943
MTB 292 is reported to have been sunk near Ramree Island on Dec 08, 1943
MTB 293 is reported to have been sunk near Ramree Island on Dec 08, 1943
Previous report of sinking of SS Scamp incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
CA Shropshire is reported to have been sunk near Akyab on Dec 09, 1943
CA Exeter is reported to have been sunk near Akyab on Dec 09, 1943
DD Rotherham is reported to have been sunk near Akyab on Dec 09, 1943
DMS Zane is reported to have been sunk near Milne Bay on Dec 09, 1943
MTB 280 is reported to have been sunk near Akyab on Dec 09, 1943
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SUBS: Lost I-34 near Canton Island after it was orced to surface and crushed. Lots of Allied sub contacts, moving into the Sulu Sea area and in the Coral Sea toward the Solomons.

SOUTH PACIFIC: Buna just makes level 5 forts before getting hit hard by Allied bombers. Whew. That could buy me a week or two. now all I need is some supply there. Brought Emilys in to try to get moving some. All troops are there trying to recoup losses now. It's going, but slowly.

WEST OZ: Evac on schedule. Fingers crossed.

BURMA: On the 10th a big bombing raid hits Prome but just takes apart some vehicles from AA units in strat mode. Georges were left on LR CAP accidentally but got good results against high sweeping P-47s, showing equal losses on the day. Odd, as they were at 10k. Hmmmm. I have to do more with this. Seems something is happening here.

The main development is that Jocke has changed direction with the Southern stack and is heading now for the hex to the NE of Prome across the river from his current position. I've just moved units out of that hex. I'll now shuffle EVERYTHING South to Prome in an effort to stop this cold. It's a gamble, but I could get about 3k AV in here I think.

He's moving from clear to jungle, and across the river. I'm bombing the troops as well. It seems to me it'll take him at least 8 days to cross for infantry in move mode (10 miles a day in clear for two days, then 4 miles a day for 6 days with the jungle part of the transit). Does the river add any time on? Or just disruption?

Bombing the troops should send them at least once to combat mode, which would be slower. Also, he may want to wait for arty and other stuff to go with the main body. I've got 1k AV which will be there building forts in 2-3 days. Then another 2-3k AV on the way reinforced by a ton of artillery and AA.

CENTRAL PACFIC: Transports are moving engineer units back to the next level to continue defense in layers.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR December 10, 43
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Sub attack near Canton Island at 153,144

Japanese Ships
SS I-4, hits 8

Allied Ships
PF Long Beach
APD Herbert
APD Dickerson

SS I-4 launches 2 torpedoes at PF Long Beach
PF Long Beach fails to find sub and abandons search
APD Dickerson fails to find sub, continues to search...
APD Dickerson attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

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Morning Air attack on Prome , at 55,50

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 39,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 11

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 35000 feet

CAP engaged:
Ominato Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(14 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 11 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 Interesting that this low level CAP seems to benefit the George v P-47.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Prome , at 55,50

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 2

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on 17th Indian Division, at 55,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 7
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 96
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 56



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 18 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed by flak


Allied ground losses:
65 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
29 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
26 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 36th Field AA Battalion, at 55,50 (Prome)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes


Allied aircraft
Blenheim VD x 11
Liberator II x 10
Liberator B.III x 10
Liberator GR.III x 3
Wellington Ic x 36
Wellington B.X x 24
B-17F Fortress x 9
B-24D Liberator x 12
B-24D1 Liberator x 40
B-24J Liberator x 30


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim VD: 1 damaged
Wellington Ic: 2 damaged
Wellington B.X: 2 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
197 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 51 (25 destroyed, 26 disabled) Mostly motorized support for AA units in strat mode

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Wellington B.X bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Sub attack near Canton Island at 154,144

Japanese Ships
SS I-34, hits 17, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Satterlee
DD Bailey
DD Harding
DD Gansevoort

SS I-34 launches 2 torpedoes at DD Satterlee
I-34 diving deep ....
DD Satterlee fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Satterlee attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-34 forced to surface!
DD Harding firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR December 11, 43
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ASW attack near Talaud-eilanden at 80,97

Japanese Ships
PB Yomei Maru

Allied Ships
SS Blackfish

SS Blackfish is sighted by escort
Blackfish diving deep ....
PB Yomei Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Yomei Maru attacking submerged sub ....
PB Yomei Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Sub vs Sub: SS Cisco attacking SS RO-65 at 102,135 - near Deboyne Islands

Japanese Ships
SS RO-65

Allied Ships
SS Cisco

SS Cisco launches 2 torpedoes at 1,000 yards

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ASW attack near Davao at 82,92

Japanese Ships
PB Yomei Maru

Allied Ships
SS Greenling

SS Greenling is sighted by escort
Greenling diving deep ....
PB Yomei Maru attacking submerged sub ....
SS Greenling eludes PB Yomei Maru by diving deep
PB Yomei Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Sub attack near Tawi Tawi at 70,93

Japanese Ships
TK Komaki Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage a small one
SC CHa-56
PC Sumire

Allied Ships
SS Skate, hits 1

SS Skate launches 2 torpedoes at TK Komaki Maru
PC Sumire fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC Sumire attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

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Morning Air attack on 2nd British Division, at 55,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 57 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 78



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 3 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 3 destroyed by flak
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 30 damaged

Allied ground losses:
119 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Vehicles lost 15 (2 destroyed, 13 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Buna , at 99,129

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 28
B-17E Fortress x 18
B-24D Liberator x 34
B-24D1 Liberator x 100
B-24J Liberator x 36
B-25C Mitchell x 51
B-25D1 Mitchell x 100
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 3 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 76
Airbase supply hits 22
Runway hits 187

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Reinforcements: More big reinforcement in january.

MTB G-162 arrives at Shimizu
TK Marifu Maru arrives at Tokyo

Losses: Another good sub down, but I have to keep at it.

Loss of SS I-34 on Dec 10, 1943 is admitted
Loss of TK Komaki Maru on Dec 11, 1943 is admitted

Ships Sunk: I think th eDenver is real, which is great.

CL Denver is reported to have been sunk near Port Moresby on Oct 08, 1943
ACM Oak is reported to have been sunk near Tanna on Dec 27, 1942
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I made the decision to empty the North and Central parts of Burma completely. Done. All troops are heading for the area behind the white line on the most recent map above. Feels good just to let it all go. I should have done this sooner.
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SUBS: Lots of contacts still near Tavoy, but only misses from both sides. Looks like some subs are now pulling out of this area. That's nice as I have an infantry division moving to Rangoon just passing up the Malayan coast now.

The new Hackleback catches small TKs leaving Boela and sinks one.

SOUTH PACIFIC: The South Pacific just got a bit more dangerous. I've been very lazy with transports around Tulagi, and Jocke decided to throw a SAG of Fletchers at me all of the way from Luganville just as I was picking up some units to move back. Fortunately there were no infantry on board, but only AA and the HQa moving to the Marianas. I've bought them back and will send them down to rebuild in situ. I did lose some good transport and a few good escorts as well. It is painful to watch, but I have to remember I've been very lucky so far, and this is one of only a handful of troop transports that have been hit during the game. I'll have to rely more on air transport in this area now it seems.

WEST OZ: This would have been the place where 6 Fletchers could have given me a very bad day. Both the division from Exmouth and the one from Darwin get away unscathed and possibly even unseen. It'll be noticed by recon eventually, but at least they are on the way back to safety.

BURMA: Fighters tussle over Prome with Allied sweeps devastating the defenders. I lost a good 100 fighters on the day. But some were still up to get at bombers, and Jocke lost a bunch more Wellingtons and a smattering of other things. Over 40 downed on the day, but the ratio is not good right now when the sweeps precede the bombing runs.

Today was an experiment to try to find the 'sweet spot' for defense of sweeps. I've noticed better results flying lower, so I set them to a either 20k, 17k or 15k, with the newer Franks and Georges high and Tojos lower. This obviously didn't work as a whole. I think the Tojos do better though around 15k while the Georges at least do better lower, like 12k-10k. I'll try again in a few days with everything 15k and lower. Also, he's bombing troops now from 6k, so I need some strong interceptors at 8k. I'll put Tonys, Oscars and some Nicks at 8k, Georges at 10k, Franks at 12k and Tojos at 15k.

Some Nells get CAP trapped near Ramree Island and I don't limit the range enough the next day, so it happens again. Grrrr.

CENTRAL PACFIC: All quiet.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR December 12, 43
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 18

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 11


Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAK Liran
xAK Nord
xAK Jalapalaka, on fire, heavy damage Hmmm. Not sure what this is. A bomb during the search phase?

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x G3M3 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

CAP engaged:
No.81 Sqn RAF with Spitfire VIII (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000

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Morning Air attack on 45th Indian Brigade, at 58,46 , near Magwe

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 63 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 29
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 46

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 5 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 17 damaged

Allied ground losses:
150 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 6th Medium Regiment, at 55,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 45
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 11 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 10 damaged

Allied ground losses:
46 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Milne Bay , at 101,133

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes


Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 28
B-17E Fortress x 19
B-24D Liberator x 24
B-24D1 Liberator x 95
B-24J Liberator x 45
B-25C Mitchell x 51
B-25D1 Mitchell x 101
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 31


Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 35
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 68

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 18



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 11


Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 10 destroyed, 2 damaged Ouch!

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAK Autolycus
xAK Nord

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x G3M3 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

CAP engaged:
No.81 Sqn RAF with Spitfire VIII (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000

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Afternoon Air attack on 22nd Tank Regiment, at 54,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 30
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 53
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 22
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 37
Ki-84a Frank x 39

Allied aircraft
Blenheim VD x 14
Liberator II x 16
Liberator B.III x 16
Liberator GR.III x 12
Wellington Ic x 16
Wellington B.X x 32
B-17F Fortress x 9
B-24D Liberator x 7
B-24D1 Liberator x 58
B-24J Liberator x 55
B-25C Mitchell x 32
P-40K Warhawk x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim VD: 1 destroyed
Liberator B.III: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
Liberator GR.III: 1 destroyed
Wellington Ic: 2 destroyed
Wellington B.X: 1 destroyed
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 5 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 62 (4 destroyed, 58 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Wellington B.X bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 22nd Tank Regiment, at 54,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 11
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 44
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 19
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 34
Ki-84a Frank x 30

Allied aircraft
Wellington Ic x 32
B-24D Liberator x 12
B-25C Mitchell x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington Ic: 8 destroyed
B-24D Liberator: 8 damaged

Aircraft Attacking
12 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR December 13, 43
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Sub attack near Groote Eylandt at 82,131

Japanese Ships
SS RO-110

Allied Ships
LCT-465
LCT-475
LCT-470
LCT-354
AM Lark

SS RO-110 cannot acquire firing solution on enemy LCT
AM Lark fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Lark attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Tulagi at 114,137, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
ACM Heijo Maru, Shell hits 26, and is sunk
AMc Kashiwa Maru, Shell hits 15, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Brownson
DD Radford
DD Saufley
DD Spence
DD Taylor
DD Thatcher

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Tulagi at 114,137, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Aso Maru #3, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Chitose Maru, Shell hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Choko Maru #2, Shell hits 25, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Fukui Maru, Shell hits 23, and is sunk
xAK Toyooka Maru, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Tuyama Maru, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Teihoku Maru, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Tarayasu Maru, Shell hits 15, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Yasukawa Maru, Shell hits 16, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Terukawa Maru, Shell hits 14, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Brownson
DD Radford, Shell hits 2
DD Saufley
DD Spence
DD Taylor
DD Thatcher

Japanese ground losses:
1652 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 293 destroyed, 207 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 219 (163 destroyed, 56 disabled)
Vehicles lost 51 (31 destroyed, 20 disabled)

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Tulagi at 114,137, Range 9,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Aso Maru #3, Shell hits 26, and is sunk
PB Chitose Maru, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
PB Choko Maru #2, Shell hits 5, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Brownson
DD Radford
DD Saufley
DD Spence
DD Taylor
DD Thatcher

Japanese ground losses:
176 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 29 destroyed, 55 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Tulagi at 114,137, Range 10,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Hato, Shell hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage
E Kamo, Shell hits 23, and is sunk
AK Akagi Maru, Shell hits 50, and is sunk
AK Asaka Maru, Shell hits 4, on fire
xAP Hoten Maru, Shell hits 32, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Brownson
DD Radford
DD Saufley, Shell hits 1
DD Spence
DD Taylor
DD Thatcher, Shell hits 1

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Morning Air attack on 22nd Tank Regiment, at 54,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 29

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 22nd Tank Regiment, at 54,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 1
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 18
Ki-84a Frank x 12

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 22nd Tank Regiment, at 54,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 38,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 1
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 20

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 7 destroyed

No Allied losses

Morning Air attack on 22nd Tank Regiment, at 54,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 40,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-61-Ic Tony x 13

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-61-Ic Tony: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on 22nd Tank Regiment, at 54,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 39,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 17

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 54 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 13



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAK Autolycus

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G3M3 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

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Morning Air attack on 45th Indian Brigade, at 58,46 , near Magwe

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 63 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 31
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 53



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 4 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 23 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed by flak


Allied ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 18th Garrison Unit , at 101,133 (Milne Bay)

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 22
B-17E Fortress x 18
B-24D Liberator x 29
B-24D1 Liberator x 91
B-24J Liberator x 35
B-25C Mitchell x 48
B-25D1 Mitchell x 97
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 25

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 38th Division, at 56,49 , near Toungoo

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 14

Allied aircraft
Blenheim VD x 12
Liberator II x 15
Liberator B.III x 10
Liberator GR.III x 8
Wellington Ic x 10
Wellington B.X x 16
B-17F Fortress x 9
B-24D Liberator x 20
B-24D1 Liberator x 76
B-24J Liberator x 57
B-25C Mitchell x 57

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator II: 1 damaged
Liberator B.III: 2 damaged
Liberator GR.III: 1 damaged
Wellington Ic: 1 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 2 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 2 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
150 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Wellington B.X bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 51st Field AA Battalion, at 56,49 , near Toungoo

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 7
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 20
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 20
Ki-84a Frank x 10

Allied aircraft
Wellington Ic x 9
Wellington B.X x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington Ic: 6 destroyed
Wellington Ic: 1 destroyed by flak
Wellington B.X: 10 destroyed

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Sub attack near Gebe at 80,104

Japanese Ships
TK Yuho Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Aoi Maru
SC Ch 25
PB Taiko Maru
PB Santos Maru

Allied Ships
SS Hackleback

SS Hackleback launches 2 torpedoes at TK Yuho Maru
Hackleback diving deep ....
PB Taiko Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Santos Maru fails to find sub and abandons search
Escort abandons search for sub

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Reinforcements: The forces I lost on transports will all arrive back within the month.

14th Base Force arrives at Hiroshima/Kure

Aircraft D4Y4 Judy advances R&D

Losses: Lots of Lima xAK here, and a few Yusen-N. Those I don't like to lose.

Loss of CL Oi on Nov 08, 1943 is admitted
Loss of E Kamo on Dec 13, 1943 is admitted
Loss of PB Aso Maru #3 on Dec 13, 1943 is admitted
Loss of PB Chitose Maru on Dec 13, 1943 is admitted
Loss of PB Choko Maru #2 on Dec 13, 1943 is admitted
Loss of PB Fukui Maru on Dec 13, 1943 is admitted
Loss of ACM Heijo Maru on Dec 13, 1943 is admitted
Loss of TK Yuho Maru on Dec 13, 1943 is admitted
Loss of AK Akagi Maru on Dec 13, 1943 is admitted
Loss of xAK Toyooka Maru on Dec 13, 1943 is admitted
Loss of xAK Tuyama Maru on Dec 13, 1943 is admitted
Loss of xAK Teihoku Maru on Dec 13, 1943 is admitted
Loss of xAK Tarayasu Maru on Dec 13, 1943 is admitted
Loss of xAK Yasukawa Maru on Dec 13, 1943 is admitted
Loss of xAK Terukawa Maru on Dec 13, 1943 is admitted
Loss of AMc Kashiwa Maru on Dec 13, 1943 is admitted
Loss of xAP Hoten Maru on Dec 13, 1943 is admitted

Ships Sunk:

AM Junee is reported to have been sunk near Portland Roads on Sep 18, 1943
Previous report of sinking of SS KXV incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
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SUBS: A Dutch and a US sub both make contact with the division laden TF moving from Exmouth during the night. Luckily neither get a hit. He at least knows something has happened over here. The division will move to Singapore for a regional reserve but may move on to Burma if there is trouble there.

SOUTH PACIFIC: Looks like Milne Bay by sea and Buna by land. The 4Es are very focused on Milne Bay, but not affecting the troops much, which is great. Four units are climbing the Owen Stanleys and coming to Buna. What was the gripe about moving divisions over this range in the rader/GJ game? I have a feeling the Allies will not have too may problems bringing quite a lot over this terrain here.

Strike planes are ready for anything by sea. I'm sure to lose another few hundred planes, but I'm not sure what the alternative is at this stage. I have to keep trying to slow things down. If he loses part the infantry for an invasion like Milne Bay, the good troops and level 5 forts there in decent terrain will be tough.

NORTH PACIFIC: Strongly leaning toward getting out of dodge (back to a weak holding line at Adak, Amchitka, Attu) now before he decides to base 20 Fletchers up here and tear up any attempt to get troops out.

WEST OZ: Got the divisions out and now it's just waiting to be invaded. I've got basically a few naval guards scattered around and one brigade at Darwin under level 6 forts. Once the 4Es start though ...

BURMA: Bleeding planes but buying time here. Operation Roadrunner has worked well so far. All troops are out of Katha and moving to Lashio. All but a base force at Mandalay and a Thai division at Meiktila are off the plains. The Thai division will now move to Taung Gyi as all railed troops have moved past to Toungoo and Prome.

The blocking force across from the apparent river crossing near Prome has become a decent force, but I would feel better with a few more days for level 1 forts to build and arty, AA and the three more divisions on the way to move in and get into combat mode. The AV is now at 2500 and the moving divisions should be in tomorrow but one will be in move mode. That will give over 4k AV though. Quite a lot to tackle crossing a river into a jungle while being bombed.

His big stack is showing 210k troops, 1700 guns, 3500 AFV. Considering the amount of AA here, and undoubtedly a lot of support, I'm still not sure how many combat troops this is. I'll try to count up and see the bombed units soon.

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Morning Air attack on 2nd British Division, at 55,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 65 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 48
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 85
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 36
Ki-61-Id Tony x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 30 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 19 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
34 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 8th Garrison Unit , at 101,133 (Milne Bay)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 15
B-17E Fortress x 17
B-24D Liberator x 23
B-24D1 Liberator x 89
B-24J Liberator x 34
B-25C Mitchell x 48
B-25D1 Mitchell x 95
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 26

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
124 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 4th Division, at 56,50 , near Toungoo

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 4
Ki-61-Id Tony x 2

Allied aircraft
Liberator II x 15
Wellington Ic x 11
Wellington B.X x 16
B-24D Liberator x 22
B-24D1 Liberator x 26
B-24J Liberator x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator II: 1 damaged
Wellington Ic: 1 damaged
Wellington B.X: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24D Liberator: 5 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 3 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
200 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Wellington B.X bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 38th Division, at 56,49 , near Toungoo

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes


Allied aircraft
Liberator GR.III x 9
B-17F Fortress x 10
B-24D1 Liberator x 30
B-24J Liberator x 14
B-25C Mitchell x 21

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator GR.III: 1 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Liberator GR.III bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion, at 56,50 , near Toungoo

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 11

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 5th RF Gun Battalion, at 56,50 , near Toungoo

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 6

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 150th RAC Regiment, at 55,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 61 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 11
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 25
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 7 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 6 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied ground losses:
52 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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ASW attack near Exmouth at 50,127

Japanese Ships
DD Minazuki
DD Mutsuki
AK Yamasimo Maru
AK Aratama Maru
AK Sakito Maru
xAP Husimi Maru
xAP Katori Maru
xAP Haruna Maru
xAP Hakusan Maru
DD Nokaze
DD Oite
DD Matsukaze

Allied Ships
SS KXIII

SS KXIII launches 4 torpedoes at DD Minazuki
DD Nokaze attacking submerged sub ....
DD Oite fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Matsukaze attacking submerged sub ....
SS KXIII eludes DD Oite by diving deep
Escort abandons search for sub

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Sub attack near Exmouth at 50,127

Japanese Ships
xAP Husimi Maru
DD Minazuki
DD Mutsuki
AK Yamasimo Maru
AK Aratama Maru
AK Sakito Maru
xAP Katori Maru
xAP Haruna Maru
xAP Hakusan Maru
DD Nokaze
DD Oite
DD Matsukaze

Allied Ships
SS Swordfish

SS Swordfish launches 4 torpedoes at xAP Husimi Maru
DD Nokaze attacking submerged sub ....
DD Nokaze is out of ASW ammo
DD Oite fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Matsukaze fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Nokaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Afternoon Air attack on 2nd British Division, at 55,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 44
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 81
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 32

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 6 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 23 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 11 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
194 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Low garrison leads to damage and 1 VP loss from partisan attack at Mandalay (59, 46)! I've shifted everything south now and only a base force is here. Luckily I also remembered to slide supply bars to zero on all evacuated bases, and the supply has filled up the rest of Burma and up to Paoshan already. Hopefully this will get a bit damaged and then flip over to start taking his VPs soon.

Reinforcements: Nothing special.

204th Trng.Sentai arrives at Maizuru
6th South Seas Det. arrives at Matsuyama
SC CHa-72 arrives at Tokuyama

Losses: None.

Ships Sunk: The usual.

Previous report of sinking of SS Devilfish incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
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Allied recon is very obsessively targeting certain bases, including Rabaul, but neglecting others. My BBs have moved back to a dead zone out of search range again. I'll see what comes and whether it's worth risking them in combat near Milne Bay.
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Status: offline 		Erik, without a map with stacking limits he'll be able to make easily a 100k men army walk through those mountains, provided enough supplies is delivered to PM. Rader was able to march 5 divisions, with HQs and Artillery, from Buna to PM and smash my Americal Divisions there

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Erik, without a map with stacking limits he'll be able to make easily a 100k men army walk through those mountains, provided enough supplies is delivered to PM. Rader was able to march 5 divisions, with HQs and Artillery, from Buna to PM and smash my Americal Divisions there


Exactly.

I'm not going to object, but I remember the brouhaha this caused among the forum. I've read a bit about the Kokoda trail, but I have no idea whether getting tanks and heavy equipment up those mountains would have been possible in reality, but it is in game. Mine of course just retreated over the same path.

Some of his units are going right through the untracked jungle as well.

It means here that he can avoid a very dangerous landing at Buna of course.

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Erik, without a map with stacking limits he'll be able to make easily a 100k men army walk through those mountains, provided enough supplies is delivered to PM. Rader was able to march 5 divisions, with HQs and Artillery, from Buna to PM and smash my Americal Divisions there


Exactly.

I'm not going to object, but I remember the brouhaha this caused among the forum. I've read a bit about the Kokoda trail, but I have no idea whether getting tanks and heavy equipment up those mountains would have been possible in reality, but it is in game. Mine of course just retreated over the same path.

Some of his units are going right through the untracked jungle as well.

It means here that he can avoid a very dangerous landing at Buna of course.


If i was you, by this date, i'd start sending my LCUs to Gasmata and to the other bases in New Britain, estabilishing at the same time a strong perimeter from Hansa Bay and north of it. Evacuate most of your precious LCUs from the Solomons back to Biuganville (leave behind only SNLF units). You can easily trade space for time now, provided you leave behind enough units to prevent an easy landing. Save especially the AAs and the base forces. I find them much more valuable than those useless SNLF and Guard units. If he still be fighting in PNG and lower Solomons by early 1944, you would have already achieved a major strategic victory!

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If i was you, by this date, i'd start sending my LCUs to Gasmata and to the other bases in New Britain, estabilishing at the same time a strong perimeter from Hansa Bay and north of it. Evacuate most of your precious LCUs from the Solomons back to Biuganville (leave behind only SNLF units). You can easily trade space for time now, provided you leave behind enough units to prevent an easy landing. Save especially the AAs and the base forces. I find them much more valuable than those useless SNLF and Guard units. If he still be fighting in PNG and lower Solomons by early 1944, you would have already achieved a major strategic victory!


I've just last turn flown in another 4 transport units to do just this! I'm targeting the most valuable units like brigades, regiments, any HQs and engineers, then AA. In about that order. Unfortunately it's going to be tough to do much by sea now. I'll have to do most by air and hope I can at the end pull out the equipment and vehicles by fast transport.

I've done a lot already, but now is the major time to pull back, definitely. I'm getting a lot still off of Ndeni even, but that has been a rock that kept him from moving in that area for many months. He is now surely by-passing it and all of the lower Solomons.

There are 450 AV at Milne Bay, 450 AV at Buna with level 5 forts and 450 AV at Salamua under level 4.5+ forts. It should still keep him busy for a while! Some troops from Solomons will flip to Gasmata, some to Cape Gloucester, more to North New Guinea.

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SUBS: The I-121 hit AMC Chittral in the Bay of Bengal. No troops on board it looks like, and only one TT so it won't go down I'm sure.

SOUTH PACIFIC: In So Pac something is happening. About 10-12 subs suddenly appeared near Milne Bay, with 3 in the hex itself. The 4Es have split for the first time ALL GAME pretty much, and are hitting smaller bases with no escorts. He hit Rossel with PB4Y-1 and Deboyne with B-17s. Woodlark is already damaged, as is Milne Bay. I can hit the Milne Bay area from every base in the Solomons plus Rabaul though, so I don't really need these forward bases right now. About 140 IJN MB are ready, plus another 30 Jills and 50 IJAAF Helens. The one thing I can't do is get the Judys in range without exposing them.

BURMA: Well, some new experiments with fighter altitudes today. They didn't do too badly, at least compared with some other P-47 sweeps. Everything was below 14k feet. I might try it even lower next time. A good 17 P-47s were taken out, but I also lost about 45 fighters. Not great odds. Better than the 1:9 or so I was getting layering from 31k and down.

Spits are interdicting the Helens now, and mostly having Oscars for lunch. I'm keeping the bombing going until my troops are in place, regardless of losses. Should be another day or so.

It's astonishing how much has moved into the blocking area North of Prome. I've now got 4100 AV including 7 divisions, 3 brigades, a garrison unit, 15 arty units, 10 AA units and a tank regiment ready to meet anything crossing over. I've been checking the reports and I'll make a list of everything I know about so far.

KB: Akagi rejoins the KB!

Also today:

Kaga-2 converting to D4Y3 Judy

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR December 16, 43
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Morning Air attack on 21st AA Regiment, at 56,50 , near Toungoo

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 17 NM, estimated altitude 38,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 28
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 8
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 40
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 8
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 26
Ki-61-Ic Tony x 6
Ki-61-Id Tony x 7
Ki-84a Frank x 28

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-61-Ic Tony: 1 destroyed
Ki-61-Id Tony: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

CAP engaged:
48th Sentai with Ki-43-IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
54th Sentai with Ki-43-IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000
Raid is overhead
Ominato Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 11 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 8000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes
251 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 8000
Raid is overhead
Zuikaku-1 with N1K1-J George (10 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
10 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 8000
Raid is overhead
1st Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (11 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
11 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 12000
Raid is overhead
9th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 9 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
24th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 15 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000
Raid is overhead
25th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (9 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 14000
Raid is overhead
33rd Sentai with Ki-61-Ic Tony (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 8000
Raid is overhead
50th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 12 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes
54th Sentai Det A with Ki-61-Id Tony (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 8000
Raid is overhead
59th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 11 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes
64th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 14 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
78th Sentai with Ki-44-IIb Tojo (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 8000
Raid is overhead
87th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 13 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000
Raid is overhead

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Morning Air attack on 21st AA Regiment, at 56,50 , near Toungoo

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 24
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 11
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 33
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 6
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 23
Ki-61-Ic Tony x 2
Ki-61-Id Tony x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 20

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 17th Indian Division, at 55,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 23
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 73
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 74

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 5 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 35 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 21 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 3 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
105 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 16 (2 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 9th Australian Division, at 55,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 50 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 29
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 30



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 9


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 22 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
29 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 21st AA Regiment, at 56,50 , near Toungoo

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 21
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 8
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 29
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 5
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 20
Ki-61-Ic Tony x 2
Ki-61-Id Tony x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 20

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-61-Id Tony: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 150th RAC Regiment, at 55,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 56 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 18
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 16 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 19 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 3 destroyed by flak

Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Submarine attack near Vizagapatnam at 42,45

Japanese Ships
SS I-121

Allied Ships
AMC Chitral, Torpedo hits 1

AMC Chitral is sighted by SS I-121
SS I-121 launches 2 torpedoes

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Morning Air attack on Rossel Island , at 105,137

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 2 destroyed on ground
B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 17
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 37

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Deboyne Islands , at 103,135

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 54 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 40

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 22nd Tank Regiment, at 55,50 (Prome)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 23
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 22

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 5 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 22nd Tank Regiment, at 55,50 (Prome)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 8
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 4

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 4 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 35000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on 50th Tank Brigade, at 55,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 71 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 22
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 51
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 28 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 17 damaged

Allied ground losses:
76 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
30 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 17th Indian Division, at 55,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 19
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 14 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Low garrison leads to damage and 1 VP loss from partisan attack at Mandalay (59, 46)!

Reinforcements: Two new units today. One 12 plane Mavis patrol, one 18 plane MB for the IJN.

901 Ku T-1 arrives at Chiba
901 Ku T-2 arrives at Chiba

Losses: None.

Ships Sunk: Ok.

SS Gar is reported to have been sunk near Aparri on Jul 28, 1943
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I've had to let go of the jungle hex to the North of my stack that he's also moving toward. I'm getting the idea that this may be his actual direction now. I don't like the fact he can go for any of three hexes from there, but it'll be tough to do anything quickly at least.

Troops from Mytkyina are moving down to the Lashio area and beyond to cover the road flanking Taung Gyi.
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Here is a list of the units I have seen in reports going back about a month now:

Army 1 - near Prome

Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 5th Indian Division ...

Morning Air attack on 9th Australian Division
BB Yamato firing at 6th Australian Division

DD Yugiri firing at 18th British Division
Also attacking 2nd British Division ...

Also attacking6th Medium Regiment
Also attacking 150th RAC Regiment ...

Also attacking 50th Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 255th Armoured Brigade ...
Also attacking 254th Armoured Brigade ...

Morning Air attack on 14th Army


Army 2 at Magwe

Morning Air attack on 11th (East African) Division
Also attacking 22nd (East African) Brigade ...

Morning Air attack on 45th Indian Brigade

Also attacking 1st New Chinese/A Corps ...
Also attacking 1st New Chinese/B Corps ...

Morning Air attack on III Indian Corps
Morning Air attack on 2nd Indian AA Bde


On road across from Prome

43rd (US) Infantry Division


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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

I like your plan for Burma. Once again, i suggest not to defend in base hexes, but mainly in normal hexes. Supplies seem to flow much better and he cannot burn you out of supplies with air bombings.



Prome is certainly weak. Would you not defend in Taung Gyi and Toungoo though, with 5-6 forts in good terrain? I've found at places like Milne Bay that even concentrated bombing there does little to the troops, and while it does take some supply, it will be a long siege if he tries to bomb me out of good territory.

I could be wrong, again, but it seems supply won't be an issue for a while here. I've got all of the supply from the 6 vacated bases flowing into the lines now, and everything is well topped up.

I'm pretty excited to get forces back so quickly though. Even if there are problems holding the line, I feel I can at last concentrate force and still use inside lines to get to wherever the Allies decide to try to break in.

Now I have to begin to concentrate on other areas to protect my rear and make sure no surprise landings happen anytime soon.

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SUBS: Now about 20 subs in the Coral Sea near Milne Bay. Nothing is moving there, so I've just put on more ASW air and I'm hoping for some hits.

SOUTH PACIFIC: The 4Es continued to probe and knock out small forward bases, including Furgussen Island, Deboyne Island, Woodlark and Rossel. At Rossel I put a group of Georges out of sweep range and they met 30 PBY4-1, taking down nearly 20 of them! Finally. now they'll move back to Rabaul. Slowly, as half the group will be on the ground for maintenance for days.

On the 19th the groups came together for a more standard raid of Buna, again taking away needed supply. I've got to figure out how to get one in here. Maybe the SSTs?

BURMA: Massed LR CAP finally put an end to my bombing runs today. About 130 Helens and Oscars destroyed. I knew it was bound to happen, but the strategic goal of getting troops in place has also just now been achieved during these turns. Most o f the pilots lost (73) were not the vets but new buys put in for just this reason.

I now have nearly 5k AV in the hex near Prome and I will concentrate now on strengthening and upgrading fighter groups and attempting to move some troops to the next hex up the road toward Magwe that looks to also be a destination for his troops. I'd like to invest there just after he does and close of the paths to my other hexes. So I will set units to move from all three around it now in combat mode both to slow them and protect against bombing.

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Morning Air attack on 150th RAC Regiment, at 55,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 69 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 24
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 75
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 19

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 35
Spitfire VIII x 36
P-38H Lightning x 18
P-40K Warhawk x 55
P-40N5 Warhawk x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 5 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 35 destroyed, 13 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 9 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 150th RAC Regiment, at 55,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 68 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 21

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 27
Spitfire VIII x 33
P-38H Lightning x 17
P-40K Warhawk x 41
P-40N5 Warhawk x 24


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 14 destroyed
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on 2nd British Division, at 55,49 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 23
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 26
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 29

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 24
Spitfire VIII x 19
P-38H Lightning x 17
P-40K Warhawk x 31
P-40N5 Warhawk x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 6 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 4 destroyed, 7 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 2 destroyed, 14 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Rossel Island , at 105,137

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 30

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 10 destroyed, 5 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Woodlark Island , at 104,133

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 107

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 9
Runway hits 57

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Fergusson Island , at 102,132

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 31
B-24J Liberator x 38


Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 9 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 48
Airbase supply hits 14
Runway hits 125

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Deboyne Islands , at 103,135

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 50 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 17

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 26

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 15
G4M1 Betty x 9

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 3
P-40K Warhawk x 13
F4U-1 Corsair x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 8 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on 3rd Garrison Unit , at 99,129 (Buna)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 25
B-17E Fortress x 18
B-24D Liberator x 34
B-24D1 Liberator x 100
B-24J Liberator x 33
B-25C Mitchell x 48
B-25D1 Mitchell x 102

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 2 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Mitchell II bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Reinforcements: I still haven't used these guys yet. Soon.

MTB G-164 arrives at Osaka/Kyoto

Device Mitsubishi Ha-43 advances R&D

Losses: None.

Ships Sunk: I had a feeling this one didn't go down. So does this report mean it's now out of dry dock and ready to roll?

Previous report of sinking of BB Arizona incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
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Is the Arizona coming out of a shipyard just now? I have a few subs moving along the West Coast for the first time in over a year. I haven't seen any DL on them yet, so I wonder if he's just not protecting this area much now. I hope to catch something like a BB coming in or out of a repair yard, or a CVE moving on to Pearl. Fingers crossed.
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After some revelations through reading Mike Solli's AAR and the good information that always seems to come out there, I will actually sit down in the next few days and do some math. It's about time for an end of the year economic update anyway, and this one will include a lot about how to conserve fuel moving into the second half of the war.

Things I have to analyze include:

1. How much oil, fuel and resources do I need to be moving daily to keep the economy in the Home Islands going at this point and what are the most efficient way to move that stuff?

2. What will projections be for keeping various oil/fuel centers into late 44 and 45? I may look at what each site produces and make projections based on dates for what will be added to current reserves depending on how long the Empire can cling to the bases in the DEI.

3. What ships and routes should I use? Thinking about loading/unloading, fuel use per cargo size and probability of being sunk based on speed and area, how should I reorganize the sea lift capacity of the Empire to fit current goals of conservation?

4. What role does the IJN have in defending areas within the Empire and how do I go about ensuring a minimum use of fuel while still keeping it a potent force. Luckily I haven't lost a Battleship yet (throws salt over left shoulder and spits three times), but this also means I want to use them, which costs fuel. I have 9 CVs plus 5 CVLs with three more CVs coming online in the next few months. Where will they be based and what level of invasion will be needed to bring them out to play?

5. How many more resources will I need for the rest of the game assuming it goes the distance? (A big assumption, but I'd like to shoot for that).

I'm sure there will be more, but this is a list to start. I've just changed every TF on the map (that I can find) to cruise mode. Rested a bunch of them, and changed hubs again for oil and fuel from the West Borneo area, which will now move in more safe waters the long way to Singapore in stead of the risky journey to Manila.

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SUBS: Subs around Milne Bay have no luck and get nailed for their trouble. His flotilla makes any naval incursion too risky right now. I'm just going to hit some with the air ASW for now.

SOUTH PACIFIC: Milne Bay is bombed on the 20th and I got the definite feeling that something was up that day when a bunch of ships moved in the region to the SW of it. I set everything to go and got ready for fireworks. I definitely got em, but not the colors I wanted.

Many waves of medium packaged strikes went out over Milne Bay and almost no planes got through. Once I did get 5 Judys in I discovered what was really happening here. A CAP trap.

I'll choose not to vent in this instance. I'm not sure how not to let this happen though. If I don't set them to fly, he gets a free ride and will be in and out in a day. If I do, this can happen. Of course if those were transports instead of DDs I might have gotten 1-2 hits. That won't stop anything, anyway. I have to get everything flying together to make a difference with this kind of CAP, but in this case, if it had gone in, I might have lost more and sunk a few DDs. Luckily 3-4 strike groups didn't fly at all.

On the day I lost 268 planes, mostly fighters. He lost something like 12. I'm sure the real invasion will be in tomorrow.

This is kind of a product of where we're fighting now. We;re having an early 43 battle with late 43 tools and numbers. The proximity and size of his forces, now at Port Moresby, it staggering. I may have to simply hope some of the ground troops can slow him down and shift everything back to Central New Guinea, the Marianas, and begin to prepare for the early 44 incursions to the backside of New Guinea that open my whole position. I've already sent eh BBs back to Truk, as they can't do anything here.

More transports flew in and troops are really starting to get pulled back into Rabaul from all over the area. Everything I can grab, I will.

WEST OZ: I see something moving from Alice Springs. Could this at last be in army marching to Darwin? Is he thinking to come overland rather than by Sea?

BURMA: Jocke struck at Port Blair after I'd temporarily moved some Betties here to get a try at shipping near Akyab. I'd forgotten to move them back and he sent the 4Es in. Luckily he sent them at 6k and the barrage balloons took out more planes than his bombs did. Nice to see for a change.

No other developments. I know for sure now that whatever is moving to the hex next to Prome is not really moving there. It's just been too long, and he knows what I have across the river. I'm not sure why he's even feigning it anymore.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR December 20, 43
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Morning Air attack on Port Blair , at 46,58

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Liberator II x 16
Liberator B.III x 16
Liberator GR.III x 12
B-24D Liberator x 23
B-24D1 Liberator x 75
B-24J Liberator x 64

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 5 destroyed on ground
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator II: 1 damaged
Liberator B.III: 2 damaged
Liberator GR.III: 5 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 5 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 17 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 9 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak Many of these didn't make it home. Barrage Balloons!!!

Japanese ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Airbase hits 81
Airbase supply hits 27
Runway hits 167

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Liberator II bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 8th Garrison Unit , at 101,133 (Milne Bay)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 15
B-17E Fortress x 11
B-24D Liberator x 18
B-24D1 Liberator x 53
B-24J Liberator x 19
B-25C Mitchell x 24
B-25D1 Mitchell x 63

Allied aircraft losses
Mitchell II: 1 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 2 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Mitchell II bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR December 21, 43
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Milne Bay at 101,133

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 51 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 15
G4M1 Betty x 13
N1K1-J George x 27

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 12
P-38G Lightning x 28
P-38H Lightning x 9
F4U-1 Corsair x 12
F4U-1A Corsair x 40
F6F-3 Hellcat x 106


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 8 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 7 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 16 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Milne Bay at 101,133

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 40
G4M1 Betty x 9



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 12
P-38G Lightning x 28
P-38H Lightning x 9
F4U-1 Corsair x 11
F4U-1A Corsair x 40
F6F-3 Hellcat x 101


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 21 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 5 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Milne Bay at 101,133

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 70 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 27
A6M5 Zero x 14
D4Y2 Judy x 36

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 12
P-38G Lightning x 28
P-38H Lightning x 9
F4U-1 Corsair x 11
F4U-1A Corsair x 37
F6F-3 Hellcat x 97

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 9 destroyed
A6M5 Zero: 4 destroyed
D4Y2 Judy: 19 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Lansdowne
DD Aaron Ward
DD Duncan, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Buchanan

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
1 x D4Y2 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Merauke , at 89,124

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft
Beaufort VIII x 30
Mitchell II x 28
B-17E Fortress x 18
B-24D Liberator x 32
B-24D1 Liberator x 93
B-24J Liberator x 38
B-25C Mitchell x 48
B-25D1 Mitchell x 90
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 30


Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 5 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Mitchell II: 1 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Airbase hits 72
Airbase supply hits 29
Runway hits 222

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Milne Bay at 101,133

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 61 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 15
B6N2 Jill x 5
J2M2 Jack x 33
P1Y1 Frances x 16



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 11
P-38G Lightning x 27
P-38H Lightning x 9
F4U-1 Corsair x 10
F4U-1A Corsair x 37
F6F-3 Hellcat x 102


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 7 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 3 destroyed
J2M2 Jack: 11 destroyed
P1Y1 Frances: 11 destroyed
P1Y1 Frances: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
DD Aaron Ward
DD Buchanan

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Milne Bay at 101,133

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 72 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 9
N1K1-J George x 19



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 11
P-38G Lightning x 23
P-38H Lightning x 8
F4U-1 Corsair x 8
F4U-1A Corsair x 32
F6F-3 Hellcat x 91


Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 5 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Milne Bay at 101,133

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 4
D4Y2 Judy x 6

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 11
P-38G Lightning x 18
P-38H Lightning x 8
F4U-1 Corsair x 3
F4U-1A Corsair x 25
F6F-3 Hellcat x 79

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed
D4Y2 Judy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

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Low garrison leads to damage and 1 VP loss from partisan attack at Mandalay (59, 46)!

Reinforcements:

E Awaji arrives at Tokyo

Aircraft P1Y2 Frances advances R&D
Aircraft A6M5b Zero advances R&D

Losses: None.

Ships Sunk: None.

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This plane is making a massive difference in my transport ability. I was wondering if I should pay for researching it and build 30 of them, but they are coming through and in my opinion are worth the effort to get them a few months ahead. With 50 of these I'm moving a regiment in a few days, and I don't have 10 planes damaged (as with the Emilys) after a few days of use! That is new for a Japanese player!
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 1/17/2013 5:54:41 PM   
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Many waves of medium packaged strikes went out over Milne Bay and almost no planes got through. Once I did get 5 Judys in I discovered what was really happening here. A CAP trap.


I'm learning this is a big part of Jocke's air tactics. Now, to come up with an adequate counter, if there is one.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 1/17/2013 8:47:55 PM   
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I think the best you can do is try to keep 200-300AV behind lvl 6 forts always in front of him (forcing him to use invasions of 3-4 divs at a ime) then nibble around the edges when you can.

Once he has a level 9 airfield within 8-9 hexes the base is undefendable from the air and sea, pull back, regroup and dig dig dig.

Having an intact Naval and airforce should stop him from launching deep, forcing a slow grind that he will win, but buys time.

Having fighters at really low level (1000-6000) is also a useful tactic, especially against low flying strike aircraft like the B-25.

Flying your own strikes low can also help a bit, but allied aircraft are fast and dive well so it is only a small help.

Cheers

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ORIGINAL: obvert

This is kind of a product of where we're fighting now. We;re having an early 43 battle with late 43 tools and numbers. The proximity and size of his forces, now at Port Moresby, it staggering. I may have to simply hope some of the ground troops can slow him down and shift everything back to Central New Guinea, the Marianas, and begin to prepare for the early 44 incursions to the backside of New Guinea that open my whole position. I've already sent eh BBs back to Truk, as they can't do anything here.


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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 1/18/2013 11:32:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		CAP trap, if used massively and on that purely pourpose, aren't exactly kosher imho.
Especially if you use them on enemy waters. A thing is to CAP a DD TF near your own base, another thing is to send that DD TF close to an enemy base (invasion target likely) with massive LRCAP over it to suck up the strikes and to simply force your opponent to lose hundreds of planes and pilots.
However, if Joc doesn't wanna talk about it, you can do the same. Sooner or later he will have to start attacking your shippings...and even the zeros can wreck havoc in those circumsntances

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 1/18/2013 11:49:49 AM   
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CAP trap, if used massively and on that purely pourpose, aren't exactly kosher imho.
Especially if you use them on enemy waters. A thing is to CAP a DD TF near your own base, another thing is to send that DD TF close to an enemy base (invasion target likely) with massive LRCAP over it to suck up the strikes and to simply force your opponent to lose hundreds of planes and pilots.
However, if Joc doesn't wanna talk about it, you can do the same. Sooner or later he will have to start attacking your shippings...and even the zeros can wreck havoc in those circumsntances


He actually wrote just after feeling a bit guilty about it. He said he did intend to use it as you state, during an invasion and for the purpose of rendering my air power completely ineffective by the time the transports arrived, which he did. He did say he tried to put a powerful SAG in the hex with the DDs to add a real threat and vulnerability, but it retreated. I also feel it's a bit suspect, but it's so common that I feel really the only counter is do try to do it to him.

He did ask if I wanted to figure something out about it, but I said the damage was done, and now the door is open, so I'll try to return the favor when I can. All in good spirit, but it's certainly a goal now. I agree I'll have some chances in the future, especially once his CVs come into play in the DEI and deep Cent Pac.

This also made me reconsider trying to resist invasions in this area right now with air power. I don't want to risk the fleet here in these close quarters right now, and I don't want to lose 100s of planes to CAP and give him a plethora of aces. So, I'm pulling out the MB, DB and TB except those I want on ASW and search. Maybe this will also let him lower his guard in the future, and i can fly them in periodically.

I will defend only airspace above vital bases. Rabaul, Buna, Kaveing, and for now Tulagi and Ndeni as I move units back. This is similar to the pull-back in Burma, except harder as I can't use naval forces close to NG. I've sent a few small fast transports to Ndeni to try to get the CD guns, but I don't want to broadcast it. I'm just leaving the Jacks there for now, but it's an elite group that has previously gotten even results against Corsairs, so he hasn't even tried it out in months.

In a way it's exciting to defend this way against overwhelming odds, and rush to move things in time to save some. I feel it's testing my creativity and ability to be deceptive and sneaky.


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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 1/18/2013 11:56:02 AM   
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Yep, am experiencing similar!

I think the best you can do is try to keep 200-300AV behind lvl 6 forts always in front of him (forcing him to use invasions of 3-4 divs at a ime) then nibble around the edges when you can.

Once he has a level 9 airfield within 8-9 hexes the base is undefendable from the air and sea, pull back, regroup and dig dig dig.

Having an intact Naval and airforce should stop him from launching deep, forcing a slow grind that he will win, but buys time.

Having fighters at really low level (1000-6000) is also a useful tactic, especially against low flying strike aircraft like the B-25.

Flying your own strikes low can also help a bit, but allied aircraft are fast and dive well so it is only a small help.

Cheers

Rob



Thanks Rob. I've been trying low CAP and it's given better results even against sweepers. I've gotten 1:2 or so that way as opposed to the previous 1:4-5 odds against Corsairs and P-47s.

He's now got Port Moresby within 11 of Rabaul, and that is getting massive, with about 600+ fighters now!!! I have nearly the same in Rabaul though, just not all the best 2nd gen quality. I'm using the level 9 fields to really keep things moving back using about 150 transports, and so far he hasn't tried out the CAP. I think I'm good for a while there as even preceded by sweeps he could lose more than he gains attacking that base right now.

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