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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/4/2013 12:40:51 AM   
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Sorry if I missed those comments previously. Turning 45 tomorrow so the memory is getting even weaker.


As your elder I can tell that memory is the second thing to go. You probably already forgot about the first thing.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/4/2013 12:55:42 AM   
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Sorry if I missed those comments previously. Turning 45 tomorrow so the memory is getting even weaker.


As your elder I can tell that memory is the second thing to go. You probably already forgot about the first thing.


As far as I know, just lack of use is the problem and not any dysfunction . However, my spouse is 48 and the commonly believed myth about a woman's libido increasing in her 40's, is just that, a myth.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/4/2013 11:32:14 AM   
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Sorry if I missed those comments previously. Turning 45 tomorrow so the memory is getting even weaker.


As your elder I can tell that memory is the second thing to go. You probably already forgot about the first thing.


As far as I know, just lack of use is the problem and not any dysfunction . However, my spouse is 48 and the commonly believed myth about a woman's libido increasing in her 40's, is just that, a myth.



LOL

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/4/2013 11:36:34 AM   
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Sorry if I missed those comments previously. Turning 45 tomorrow so the memory is getting even weaker.


As your elder I can tell that memory is the second thing to go. You probably already forgot about the first thing.


As far as I know, just lack of use is the problem and not any dysfunction . However, my spouse is 48 and the commonly believed myth about a woman's libido increasing in her 40's, is just that, a myth.



LOL



Or maybe she just realizes that ours has been heading downhill since we were 18 years old!

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/4/2013 11:40:04 AM   
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Sorry if I missed those comments previously. Turning 45 tomorrow so the memory is getting even weaker.


As your elder I can tell that memory is the second thing to go. You probably already forgot about the first thing.


As far as I know, just lack of use is the problem and not any dysfunction . However, my spouse is 48 and the commonly believed myth about a woman's libido increasing in her 40's, is just that, a myth.



LOL



Or maybe she just realizes that ours has been heading downhill since we were 18 years old!



That's soooooooo true

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/4/2013 11:41:25 AM   
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/4/2013 11:46:54 AM   
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...and AE isn't exactly a libido enancher...for me at least


Hours hunched over a computer sweating out your defenses, drinking too much coffee and turning your hand into a claw don't get you going?

Yeah, me neither! I try to separate the two activities with a visit to the gym.

I still remember years ago when I was in my late 20's, and my so so attractive 22 year-old tall blond dancer GF called me LATE one night when we hadn't been planning to get together. I had been playing Masters of Orion for like 6 hours and it was after 2AM. She wanted me over but when I got there nothing was working! I think that night was the beginning of the end for that particular romance.

I'm going to stop thinking about that now ...

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/4/2013 12:28:00 PM   
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...and AE isn't exactly a libido enancher...for me at least


It is the other way around, actually: AE is played by old gentlemen who use it to kill the time that should be devoted to romance, if (if only!) their libido was still what it used to be/should have been/might have been...

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/4/2013 3:41:29 PM   
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/4/2013 6:14:45 PM   
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Sorry if I missed those comments previously. Turning 45 tomorrow so the memory is getting even weaker.


As your elder I can tell that memory is the second thing to go. You probably already forgot about the first thing.


As far as I know, just lack of use is the problem and not any dysfunction . However, my spouse is 48 and the commonly believed myth about a woman's libido increasing in her 40's, is just that, a myth.



LOL



Or maybe she just realizes that ours has been heading downhill since we were 18 years old!



That's soooooooo true


Mother Nature's little inside joke.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/4/2013 6:21:39 PM   
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FIRST KAMI HITS!

S DEI: So the small raid I sent to Taberfane actually flew and got some results. Of the 27 plane group 18 planes flew and achieved 3 hits on the Amphib TF at Babar, sinking two APA. No troops on the ships will also tells me something interesting. I also lost 24 Tojos that were flying escort for 4 Hellcat that were on CAP. These little strikes will not amount to much most likely, but they help me to figure out how best to use these tools and serve notice that they will be used.

This will most likely work best against a CAP of 50 or fewer planes, as I don't yet know if coordination will be possible for large strikes from a land base in the beta. Even Jocke's strikes earlier that flew from a level 9 base were very fragmented, but maybe something else was happening with his settings.

I see Jocke's CVs at Morotai. I have to keep an eye on where they start moving.

SUBS: One sub sunk near Cam Ran Bay, another damaged near Samah, and one heavily damaged near Balikpapan for no losses.

AERIAL MINING: Jocke aerial mined Lomblen a while back and I didn't think to question what would happen if he went for one of my heavily night CAPed bases like Palembang. Well, he did, and of course the 48 NF can't intercept in spite of radar on the ground and in the air.

I'm not going to ask for an HR, or ask to stop the game to start a thread in the tech area. I simply asked Jocke if he considers aerial mining to be somehow different to any other night strike and therefore validly not interceptable. I'm not even sure how I feel myself. Apparently the Allies did quite a bit of it without much intervention, using smaller flights of planes and going in at night. The difference as I see it here is that this was ALL of his B-29s in one raid (spread over many packages of course) against a known night CAP and flak center.

Should this be okay? How does CAP intervene when it's a city strike but not at all if it's mining? Or do we just have to live with the abstract with no limitations in order to simulate what was possible under different conditions in the war?

NORTH PACIFIC: Bombing his troops in Umnak after getting some damage on the fields.

BURMA: Jocke definitely noticed the stack moving, and bombed it. He lost about 14 4E, which is nice!
I anticipate this will be a daily visits for as long as these troops are moving. That means 10-15 4Es a day if I can keep flak supplied. So over a week 70-100, and over a month 280-400. I think that probably exceeds replacement rates, yes? A supply TF is about a week out from Bangkok.

All movement is good to Moulmein. The troops will make it without mishap. I've also started moving two tank divisions to secure the hex two distant from Bangkok where the last woods are located. Allied troops from Tavoy are walking across country now to get here too. I have a division and a brigade in Bangkok I may move over to ensure we own the hex. He has 200k troops in Tavoy now, but can't have more than 3k AV. If I get 1.5k supported by arty and AA into that hex I can hold the road open until the big stack makes it I'm thinking, and if I own the hex he can't do anything but turn around.

CENTRAL PACFIC: Still holding against bombardments at Guam and Saipan.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR October 26, 44
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ASW attack near Balikpapan at 63,99

Japanese Ships
DD Hokaze
DD Sawakaze
DD Akikaze

Allied Ships
SS Razorback, hits 10, heavy damage

SS Razorback is located by DD Hokaze
Razorback bottoming out ....
DD Hokaze fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Akikaze attacking submerged sub ....
DD Akikaze is out of ASW ammo
DD Akikaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Night Air attack on Soerabaja , at 56,104

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 15
J1N1-Sa Irving x 3

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-S Irving: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Manpower hits 89
Fires 53500

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Babar at 76,117

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 43
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 18

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 53

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 10 destroyed
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 10 destroyed
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
DE Coolbaugh
APA Harris, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
APA John Penn
APA William P. Biddle, Kamikaze hits 1, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Umnak Island , at 169,51

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 16
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 17

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Donggala , at 68,99

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 22
P1Y2 Frances x 29

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 21

Aircraft Attacking:
29 x P1Y2 Frances bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 68th Brigade, at 79,91 (Davao)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 8
B-24J Liberator x 13
B-25D1 Mitchell x 47
B-25H Mitchell x 12
B-25J1 Mitchell x 12
FM-2 Wildcat x 7
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 16
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 15

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
48 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR October 27, 44
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ASW attack near San Jose at 76,83

Japanese Ships
SS RO-109, hits 20

Allied Ships
LSI(L) Denbighshire
LSI(L) Glenartney
DE Deede

SS RO-109 is sighted by escort
DE Deede fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE Deede attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

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Night Naval bombardment of Tawi Tawi at 72,90

Allied Ships
CL Mjollner
CL Valkyria
CL Biloxi
CL Columbia
DD Spence
DD Radford
DD Kimberly
DD DeHaven
DD Cony
DD Conway
DD Chevalier
DD Charrette
DD Bennett
DD Abbot

Japanese ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 44
Port hits 26
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 5

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for CL Mjollner
CL Mjollner firing at Tawi Tawi

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Night Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 36
J1N1-Sa Irving x 12

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 28

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort laying Mk 13 Mine from 9000 feet *
4 x B-29-1 Superfort laying Mk 13 Mine from 9000 feet *
6 x B-29-1 Superfort laying Mk 13 Mine from 9000 feet *
3 x B-29-1 Superfort laying Mk 13 Mine from 9000 feet *
3 x B-29-1 Superfort laying Mk 13 Mine from 9000 feet *
5 x B-29-1 Superfort laying Mk 13 Mine from 9000 feet *
4 x B-29-1 Superfort laying Mk 13 Mine from 9000 feet *

CAP engaged:
302 Ku S-2 with J1N1-S Irving (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 2 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 11000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 48 minutes
352 Ku S-3 with J1N1-S Irving (0 airborne, 16 on standby, 3 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 8000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
S-804 Hikotai with J1N1-Sa Irving (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 1 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
S-902 Hikotai with J1N1-Sa Irving (0 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes

Some CAP have air radar

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Sub attack near Kalao at 66,111

Japanese Ships
LST T-111, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
APD T-2
LST T-112
LST T-108
E W-14

Allied Ships
SS Skate, hits 1

SS Skate launches 2 torpedoes at LST T-111
Skate diving deep ....
E W-14 attacking submerged sub ....
E W-14 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Amphibious Assault at Taytay (75,82)

TF 210 troops unloading over beach at Taytay, 75,82

Allied ground losses:
395 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 100 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 72 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 13 (0 destroyed, 13 disabled)
Vehicles lost 33 (0 destroyed, 33 disabled)

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Sub attack near Cam Ranh Bay at 65,74

Japanese Ships
E Ukuru, Shell hits 1
E Okinawa
E Daito

Allied Ships
SS Sea Fox, hits 34, and is sunk

SS Sea Fox launches 2 torpedoes at E Ukuru
E Okinawa fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Okinawa attacking submerged sub ....
SS Sea Fox forced to surface!
E Daito firing on surfaced sub ....
E Ukuru firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves

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ASW attack near Phuket at 48,68

Japanese Ships
CA Atago
DD Arare
DD Arashio

Allied Ships
SS Telemachus, hits 3

SS Telemachus is sighted by escort
DD Arare fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Arashio attacking submerged sub ....
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ASW attack near Samah at 69,66

Japanese Ships
E No.24
E No.22

Allied Ships
SS KXV, hits 8

SS KXV is sighted by escort
E No.24 fails to find sub and abandons search
E No.22 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Morning Air attack on 88th Infantry Regiment, at 72,90 (Tawi Tawi)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 22
B-17E Fortress x 12
B-24D Liberator x 11
B-24D1 Liberator x 19
B-24J Liberator x 84
B-25C Mitchell x 3
B-25D1 Mitchell x 84
B-25G Mitchell x 6
B-25H Mitchell x 6
B-25J1 Mitchell x 15
F6F-5 Hellcat x 4
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 24
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 15
PV-1 Ventura x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 7 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
121 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 33rd Division, at 56,54 , near Moulmein

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 12
Liberator B.VI x 15
B-17F Fortress x 9
B-24D1 Liberator x 11
B-24J Liberator x 85
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 11

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.III: 6 damaged
Liberator B.III: 1 destroyed by flak
Liberator B.VI: 6 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 1 destroyed by flak
B-17F Fortress: 1 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 6 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 21 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 destroyed by flak
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
132 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 45 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 364th(Sep) Infantry Regiment, at 169,51 (Umnak Island)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 4 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 15
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
71 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Reinforcements:

MGB G-1005 arrives at Shimizu
70th Sentai arrives at Hiroshima/Kure

Losses:

Loss of LB-136 on Oct 11, 1944 is admitted
Loss of LST T-111 on Oct 27, 1944 is admitted

Ships Sunk:

APA William P. Biddle is reported to have been sunk near Babar on Oct 26, 1944
SS Sea Fox is reported to have been sunk near Cam Ranh Bay on Oct 27, 1944
APA Harris
Previous report of sinking of CVE White Plains incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
Previous report of sinking of SS Croaker incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/4/2013 7:17:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just my opinion on aerial mining, but you should be happy he's wasting B-29s on the mission. B-24s OK. B-29s are racehorses.

The way you "CAP" aerial mining is with minesweepers. He's using up his best bombers and you can counter with your cheapest ships. In the early war I have routinely seen a couple of IJN minesweepers do 35-50 mines per turn.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/4/2013 8:28:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		In this case I'm not happy but I'm not distraught either. He isn't wasting the missions at all, but in fact shutting down the most important port on the map for some days. Maybe many.

I've been converting PB to AMc like mad, but the first new ones have a few more days to go. They are cheap ships and yet I lost four clearing mines at Lomblen and they're still not all gone!

Are there any tips for clearing mines better? A larger 3-4 ship TF with a commander with high naval skills maybe?

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/4/2013 8:33:55 PM   
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/4/2013 8:39:32 PM   
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I think I might rather try to see if multiple smaller TFs are more effective than one larger TF. I suspect they aren't, but I'd rather have multiple chances at clearing the field than just one.


The last three TFs I used at Lomblen for the same mission were 1 AMc, then 2 AMs (lost on the first night of their sweeping) then 1 AMc. The last managed to stay afloat for two days before getting nailed.

Maybe I should ensure they arrive in the day phase on the first day at least. I could find TF commanders with better naval than offered for PB captains in the pools, even for one ship TFs. Not like I need PPs for anything right now.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/4/2013 9:49:15 PM   
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In this case I'm not happy but I'm not distraught either. He isn't wasting the missions at all, but in fact shutting down the most important port on the map for some days. Maybe many.

I've been converting PB to AMc like mad, but the first new ones have a few more days to go. They are cheap ships and yet I lost four clearing mines at Lomblen and they're still not all gone!

Are there any tips for clearing mines better? A larger 3-4 ship TF with a commander with high naval skills maybe?


The big sweeps I've seen have been DMSes. AMc classes are tiny. PBang is a big port.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/4/2013 10:18:39 PM   
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/5/2013 8:31:09 AM   
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In this case I'm not happy but I'm not distraught either. He isn't wasting the missions at all, but in fact shutting down the most important port on the map for some days. Maybe many.

I've been converting PB to AMc like mad, but the first new ones have a few more days to go. They are cheap ships and yet I lost four clearing mines at Lomblen and they're still not all gone!

Are there any tips for clearing mines better? A larger 3-4 ship TF with a commander with high naval skills maybe?


The big sweeps I've seen have been DMSes. AMc classes are tiny. PBang is a big port.


Most Japanese players probably have few of these left now and they all can upgrade to E as well, meaning they lose their specially minesweeping ability for some reason. Some actually convert BACK to DMS later, but I think I have maybe a handful of those.

So as it should be the IJN has limited capabilities for these kinds of things. I guess the Allies are better set up for sweeping with about 60 Aussie AMs, another 100+ US AMs and a zillion YMS, plus the DMS if there are some left. Maybe that's why my aerial mine drops hit only PTs.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/5/2013 1:21:32 PM   
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In this case I'm not happy but I'm not distraught either. He isn't wasting the missions at all, but in fact shutting down the most important port on the map for some days. Maybe many.

I've been converting PB to AMc like mad, but the first new ones have a few more days to go. They are cheap ships and yet I lost four clearing mines at Lomblen and they're still not all gone!

Are there any tips for clearing mines better? A larger 3-4 ship TF with a commander with high naval skills maybe?


The big sweeps I've seen have been DMSes. AMc classes are tiny. PBang is a big port.


Most Japanese players probably have few of these left now and they all can upgrade to E as well, meaning they lose their specially minesweeping ability for some reason. Some actually convert BACK to DMS later, but I think I have maybe a handful of those.

So as it should be the IJN has limited capabilities for these kinds of things. I guess the Allies are better set up for sweeping with about 60 Aussie AMs, another 100+ US AMs and a zillion YMS, plus the DMS if there are some left. Maybe that's why my aerial mine drops hit only PTs.


I end up using all of the AMs as ASW escorts in 1942, or more often port ASW patrols just outside the mouth. After 1942 against the AI I've never worried about mines much. The ocean-going minesweepers do some ASW and some sweeping early. Later on, especially when the DEs arrive, they're harbor queens. In a PBEM I expect they'll be sweeping.

I don't know what a Japanese AMc looks like. If they're converted PBs they're probably bigger than the Allied AMc. It's not much more than a motor launch.

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Yeah, I'm sure you felt the force move some things during that situation.

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SUBS: The Allied subs disperse from the Indochinese coast after the past few days of attacks. The subs near Balikpapan move back toward the Lomblen area as well.

DEI: A big bunch of ships including two CV TFs appears near Manado listing a heading toward Borneo. I'm thinking this means Balikpapan is going to be the target. This will be interesting. Up until very recently I've had only a brigade here. After getting most troops off of New Guinea and the South DEI islands I've been moving it all back through Ambon, Kendari and Macassar to Balikpapan. It's at around 500 AV now and could go up to 600 in the next few days. The forts are level 6 and the airfield is a level 9. I just topped up the mines to just under 200. I'm adding several MTBs now and I'll swing all surface forces toward the base in anticipation of a move tomorrow.

If he hits the fields and puts those out of action there's not much hope of keeping the base. If the IJN can do some damage and thwart a bombardment or two, then the air forces might do something here. Now I'm missing the Hei that was torpedoed near Lomblen. I'l have one strong SAG with a fast BB and two CA plus 3 DD. Then two more DD SAGs and a CL with two more DDs. Because of the strong CV presence I'll try for the first time to use a range 0 setting to hit only the transports if possible. Again, if bombardments wreck the fields it won't much matter, but it's worth a shot.

S/SW PAC: I spotted CVEs in the Solomon Sea and I've got one Nell and another Peggy kami group at Rabaul with escorts. They'll fly tomorrow.

S DEI: Three is still a nava presence at Babar but he's doubled the fighters there now.

BURMA: Another good day for flak on the 28th hitting 14 more 4E near Moulmein. The stack crossed with no problems. The tanks are moving out ahead to invest the hex Allied troops are moving to from Tavoy and will meet several IJA divisions there to block the road two hexes from Bangkok. As it's a good road these will be easy to supply as well.

CENTRAL PACFIC: Saipan falls. So it took jut over three weeks to reduce this base. I guess that's not too bad as those troops will likely need rest now as well. Looks like he'll reduce the stack and we'll be buying back a lot of troops soon.

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TF 289 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Ships
PB Yoshitomo Maru
PB Hinode Maru #17

3 mines cleared

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Morning Air attack on 74th JAAF AF Bn , at 75,82 (Taytay)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 13
B-17E Fortress x 12
B-24D Liberator x 3
B-24D1 Liberator x 16
B-24J Liberator x 62
B-25C Mitchell x 3
B-25D1 Mitchell x 71
B-25G Mitchell x 18
B-25H Mitchell x 6
B-25J1 Mitchell x 3
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 9
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 15

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
221 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 16th Division, at 56,54 , near Moulmein

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 67 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 13
Spitfire VIII x 4
B-17F Fortress x 3
B-24D1 Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 76
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 8

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 7 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 2 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 28 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 4 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
211 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 18000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 5th Division, at 56,54 , near Moulmein

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 7
Liberator B.VI x 42
B-24D1 Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 27

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.III: 4 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 25 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 13 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
95 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Liberator B.VI bombing from 18000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 21st Division, at 56,54 , near Moulmein

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17F Fortress x 9
B-24D1 Liberator x 6
B-24J Liberator x 9

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 9 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 5 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 18000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Guam (106,95)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 43000 troops, 867 guns, 1446 vehicles, Assault Value = 1577

Defending force 27706 troops, 456 guns, 233 vehicles, Assault Value = 505

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Allied adjusted assault: 710

Japanese adjusted defense: 1787

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2519 casualties reported
Squads: 62 destroyed, 96 disabled
Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 62 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 79 (10 destroyed, 69 disabled)
Vehicles lost 51 (4 destroyed, 47 disabled)
Units destroyed 2

Allied ground losses:
1462 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 166 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 44 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 26 disabled
Guns lost 52 (4 destroyed, 48 disabled)
Vehicles lost 109 (17 destroyed, 92 disabled)

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Ground combat at Davao (79,91)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3134 troops, 268 guns, 207 vehicles, Assault Value = 363

Defending force 13010 troops, 117 guns, 61 vehicles, Assault Value = 246

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
38th Infantry Division
251st Field Artillery Battalion
147th Field Artillery Regiment
225th Field Artillery Battalion
XIV US Corps
2nd RAA Jungle Regiment
XI Corps Artillery
X Corps Artillery
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
33rd Medium Regiment

Defending units:
23rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
68th Brigade
244th JAAF AF Bn
13th Air Fleet /2
23rd Ind. Engr Rgt /2
48th Ind.Mixed Bde /2
30th Special Base Force /1
148th JAAF AF Bn
188th JAAF AF Bn /2
25th Ind. Engr Rgt /2
6th Div /4
180th JAAF AF Bn
89th Field AA Battalion
217th Naval Const Bn /2
9th Fleet /2
206th Naval Const Bn /3
216th Naval Const Bn /2
24th Field AF Construction Battalion
205th Naval Const Bn /1
248th JAAF AF Bn /3


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Ground combat at Taytay (75,82)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 5327 troops, 59 guns, 81 vehicles, Assault Value = 192

Defending force 225 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Allied adjusted assault: 114

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 114 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Taytay !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
240 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 46 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
30th Australian Brigade
131st Combat Engineer Regiment
II Aus Corps Engr Bn /2

Defending units:
74th JAAF AF Bn


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Ground combat at Saipan (108,93)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 46577 troops, 1066 guns, 1055 vehicles, Assault Value = 1468

Defending force 24669 troops, 341 guns, 346 vehicles, Assault Value = 219

Allied adjusted assault: 2166

Japanese adjusted defense: 701

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Saipan !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3323 casualties reported
Squads: 94 destroyed, 61 disabled
Non Combat: 229 destroyed, 86 disabled
Engineers: 86 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 202 (167 destroyed, 35 disabled)
Vehicles lost 273 (271 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1182 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 147 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 29 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 41 disabled
Guns lost 22 (2 destroyed, 20 disabled)


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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR October 29, 44
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TF 106 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Ships
AMc Ichiyo Maru

35 mines cleared

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Ground combat at Saipan (108,93)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 45587 troops, 1064 guns, 1055 vehicles, Assault Value = 1332

Defending force 19408 troops, 187 guns, 155 vehicles, Assault Value = 145

Allied adjusted assault: 3187

Japanese adjusted defense: 237

Allied assault odds: 13 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1587 casualties reported
Squads: 269 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 41 destroyed, 114 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 12 disabled
Guns lost 74 (45 destroyed, 29 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
469 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 44 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 10 (2 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Vehicles lost 14 (2 destroyed, 12 disabled)

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Ground combat at Guam (106,95)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1912 troops, 207 guns, 128 vehicles, Assault Value = 1393

Defending force 25678 troops, 447 guns, 229 vehicles, Assault Value = 351

Japanese ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 9 (9 destroyed, 0 disabled)

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Reinforcements:

5th Armored Car Co arrives at Tokyo
DD Kaede arrives at Yokohama/Yokosuka
E No.205 arrives at Tokyo

Losses: none.

Ships Sunk:

Previous report of sinking of DD Caldwell incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
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After seeing that flak makes his ground bombing attempts very costly I'm feeling better about thtis trek from Moulmein back to the Bangkok area. I'll get about 2k AV into the hex near Bangkok before the Allies can get there, plus some flak, arty and an HQ. Then some of the troops will go toward Raheng and other toward this blockade from their position in Moulmein.
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TARGET BALIKPAPAN!

DEI: The Allied fleets move in closer to Borneo but Jocke plays this well and holds the invasion back. He instead sends in several SAGs and the rolling booms of naval gunfire is heard all through the oilfields and jungles of Balikpapan during the night and into the morning. In the biggest encounter a 4 CA led SAG comes in and gets some good hits on the IJN ships, putting Suzuya in sinking condition. The Hiei does amazing work though and puts big hits on both CA Sleipner (?) and CA Witchita, resulting in both being lost on the day.

After this there were many engagements with Fletchers against everything resulting in several more DDs being lost, and in the afternoon naval strikes take out two more damaged DDs. The Hiei and Mikuma escape toward Soerabaja and show no DL.

No naval bombardments hit the base but the Allied 4Es come in after some sweeps and almost our whole CAP is still up to meet them. It's a good day when 50-60 4E go down in flames!!!

Strategically though this was a good move by Jocke and it just barely looks to have closed the fields for CAP in the afternoon as only my LR CAP from Samarinda was up. If there are no further bombardments the CAP should come up tomorrow after engineers do their work, but a naval bombardment will likely mean that doesn't happen. I'll leave one sacrificial IJN SAG here with two old CL and three DDs since they still have torps.

SUBS: The Trigger came right into Balikpapan and didn't hit one of the 200 mines there apparently, but did sink an ACM.

S/SW PAC: Went for the CVE which had moved into Finchafen's CAP cover. Lost about 100 planes there. It was worth a try though as 8 Nells got kami runs in without scoring a hit. Keeps him having to CAP very rear bases as well if he wants to move things through here. If I'd been one day earlier they would've been at sea and had 30 planes up on CAP, and that might've been a blood bath the other way around. I'll keep trying.

BURMA: A few sweeps hit the extended CAP from Bangkok getting about 5:1. I don't like that but after one more day the troops will be going it alone protected by their AA and the woods, building forts in preparation. The Allied 2Es keep on at Moulmein but move up to 20k where they're not too effective. One thing I can always count on is that Jocke does not like to lose planes, and he will back off if he has a bad day in that respect. (Sending in more flak to Luzon, Okinawa, the Bonins and Formosa for just this reason. Using the flak from Yokohama and other bases that have the massive concentrations of static fort 12.7cm DP guns, where I can afford to take the smaller 75mm guns out).

The main stack is moving from Moulmein. His stack is showing movement into the forest across from Moulmein, but once we've moved out he'll change it up of course. Should I leave a river crossing guard of about 1k AV just to make him think about it?

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Night Air attack on Soerabaja , at 56,104

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 17
J1N1-Sa Irving x 3

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 37

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-S Irving: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 15 damaged

Manpower hits 139
Fires 73873

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Soerabaja , at 56,104

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

No Allied losses

Manpower hits 7
Fires 198884

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 21st Division, at 55,55 (Moulmein)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 62 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Allied aircraft
Wellington B.X x 16
B-25D1 Mitchell x 14
B-25H Mitchell x 31
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 15

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington B.X: 1 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 20000 feet Not liking the flak much!
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 21st Division, at 55,55 (Moulmein)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 63 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 16
B-25H Mitchell x 15
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 15

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak But still loses a few planes to it here.

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 20000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 3rd Tank Division, at 55,56 , near Moulmein

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 63 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 18
B-17F Fortress x 6
B-24D1 Liberator x 10
B-24J Liberator x 86
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 5

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 6 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 5 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 6 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 28 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 23 (1 destroyed, 22 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Finschhafen at 100,126

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 28
N1K2-J George x 29
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 18
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 34

Allied aircraft
Hellcat I x 24
Spitfire Vc Trop x 22
Spitfire VIII x 18
F4U-1D Corsair x 12
Kittyhawk IV x 35
F4U-1A Corsair x 26
F4U-1D Corsair x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 8 destroyed
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed by flak
N1K2-J George: 6 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 4 destroyed
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 3 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 10 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CL Montpelier
CVE Shah

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x G3M3 Nell flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Finschhafen at 100,126

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 70 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 30
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 18

Allied aircraft
Hellcat I x 20
Spitfire Vc Trop x 17
Spitfire VIII x 17
F4U-1D Corsair x 12
Kittyhawk IV x 35
F4U-1A Corsair x 26
F4U-1D Corsair x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 3 destroyed
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 13 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IV: 1 destroyed

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,97, Range 12,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 3 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei, Shell hits 11
CA Mikuma, Shell hits 6
CA Suzuya, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage Sinks later.
DD Kuroshio, Shell hits 3
DD Oyashio, Shell hits 2
DD Natsushio, Shell hits 4, on fire

Allied Ships
CA Wichita, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Boston
DD Bennion, Shell hits 2
DD Luce
DD McCord, Shell hits 1
DD Mullany
DD Philip
DD John Rodgers, Shell hits 1
DD Saufley
DD Stevens
CA Canberra II
CA Sleipner, Shell hits 22, and is sunk

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 24,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 18,000 yards Japanese radar works?!?
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 12,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Sleipner at 12,000 yards
CA Sleipner engages CA Suzuya at 12,000 yards
CA Mikuma engages CA Sleipner at 12,000 yards
CA Wichita engages DD Natsushio at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Sleipner at 7,000 yards
CA Sleipner engages CA Suzuya at 7,000 yards
CA Sleipner engages CA Mikuma at 7,000 yards
CA Suzuya engages CA Wichita at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Sleipner at 5,000 yards
CA Suzuya engages CA Sleipner at 5,000 yards
CA Sleipner engages CA Mikuma at 5,000 yards
BB Hiei engages DD John Rodgers at 5,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Sleipner at 4,000 yards
CA Sleipner engages CA Suzuya at 4,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Wichita at 4,000 yards
BB Hiei engages DD Mullany at 4,000 yards
Range increases to 8,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Sleipner at 8,000 yards
CA Sleipner engages CA Suzuya at 8,000 yards
CA Mikuma engages CA Sleipner at 8,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Wichita at 8,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages DD Stevens at 8,000 yards
DD Oyashio engages DD McCord at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Sleipner at 10,000 yards
CA Suzuya engages CA Sleipner at 10,000 yards
CA Mikuma engages CA Sleipner at 10,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Sleipner at 11,000 yards
CA Suzuya engages CA Sleipner at 11,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Boston at 11,000 yards
DD Mullany engages DD Natsushio at 11,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Sleipner at 11,000 yards
CA Suzuya engages CA Sleipner at 11,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Boston at 11,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Wichita at 11,000 yards
BB Hiei engages DD John Rodgers at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
CA Sleipner sunk by BB Hiei at 7,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Canberra II at 7,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Boston at 7,000 yards
CA Wichita engages DD Natsushio at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 9,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Canberra II at 9,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Boston at 9,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Wichita at 9,000 yards
DD Kuroshio engages DD Bennion at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Canberra II at 12,000 yards
DD Bennion engages DD Natsushio at 12,000 yards
Tanaka, Raizo orders Japanese TF to disengage
Task forces break off...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,97, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Kinu, Shell hits 2
DD Yuzuki, Shell hits 24, and is sunk
DD Shiokaze, Shell hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Nokaze, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Charles Ausburne
DD Beale
DD Callaghan
DD Erben
DD Healy
DD Richard P. Leary
DD Norman Scott
DD Sigsbee
DD Stembel, Shell hits 1
DD Thatcher
DD Trathen
DD Twiggs, Shell hits 1

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 8,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 8,000 yards
DD Twiggs engages CL Kinu at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards
DD Twiggs engages DD Yuzuki at 4,000 yards
DD Erben engages DD Yuzuki at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards No long lance hits and few fired.
DD Yuzuki engages DD Twiggs at 3,000 yards
Range increases to 9,000 yards
DD Twiggs engages DD Yuzuki at 9,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,97, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Hatsuyuki, Shell hits 3
DD Shikinami
DD Amagiri, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Charles Ausburne
DD Beale
DD Callaghan
DD Erben
DD Healy
DD Richard P. Leary
DD Norman Scott
DD Sigsbee, Shell hits 1
DD Stembel, Shell hits 2
DD Thatcher
DD Trathen
DD Twiggs

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 24,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 8,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 8,000 yards
McGrigor, R.R. crosses the 'T'
DD Amagiri engages DD Richard P. Leary at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards
DD Twiggs engages DD Hatsuyuki at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
DD Shikinami engages DD Twiggs at 5,000 yards
DD Twiggs engages DD Shikinami at 11,000 yards
DD Shikinami engages DD Callaghan at 11,000 yards
DD Beale engages DD Amagiri at 11,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,97, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Sawakaze
DD Okikaze
DD Akikaze
DD Hokaze

Allied Ships
DD Charles Ausburne
DD Beale
DD Callaghan
DD Erben
DD Healy, Shell hits 1
DD Richard P. Leary
DD Norman Scott
DD Sigsbee
DD Stembel, Shell hits 2
DD Thatcher, Shell hits 1
DD Trathen, Shell hits 1
DD Twiggs, Shell hits 2, on fire

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 8,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 8,000 yards
DD Twiggs engages DD Sawakaze at 8,000 yards
DD Charles Ausburne engages DD Sawakaze at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards
DD Healy engages DD Hokaze at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards WOW! Amazed these ships survived here, but also that no one got TT hits at this range.
DD Twiggs engages DD Okikaze at 2,000 yards
DD Thatcher engages DD Sawakaze at 2,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Erben at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 13,000 yards
DD Thatcher engages DD Hokaze at 13,000 yards
DD Hokaze engages DD Charles Ausburne at 13,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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TF 271 encounters mine field at Balikpapan (64,97)

Allied Ships
DD Stembel, Mine hits 1 Well, at least one hit!

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Sub attack near Balikpapan at 64,97

Japanese Ships
ACM Tama Maru #2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Trigger

SS Trigger launches 2 torpedoes
Escort abandons search for sub

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,97, Range 11,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
SOC-1 Seagull: 3 destroyed

Japanese Ships
PB Tokati Maru, Shell hits 2, heavy fires

Allied Ships
CA Wichita, and is sunk
DD Stevens

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 11,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
CA Wichita engages PB Tokati Maru at 9,000 yards
Nasu, N. orders Japanese TF to disengage
Range closes to 6,000 yards
CA Wichita engages PB Tokati Maru at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
DD Stevens engages PB Tokati Maru at 10,000 yards
Range increases to 14,000 yards
DD Stevens engages PB Tokati Maru at 14,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,97, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MGB G-1002, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Charles Ausburne
DD Beale
DD Callaghan
DD Erben
DD Healy
DD Richard P. Leary
DD Norman Scott
DD Sigsbee
DD Stembel
DD Thatcher
DD Trathen
DD Twiggs

Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF begins to get underway
Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
MGB G-1002 sunk by DD Richard P. Leary at 8,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,97, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-880, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
MTB G-1001, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB G-1003, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Stevens

Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF begins to get underway
Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Morita U. gains tactical advantage
MTB G-1003 engages DD Stevens at 1,000 yards
Massive explosion on MTB G-880
MTB G-880 sunk by DD Stevens at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
MTB G-1003 engages DD Stevens at 2,000 yards
MTB G-1003 sunk by DD Stevens at 8,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,98, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Hatsuyuki, Shell hits 1
DD Shikinami, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Amagiri, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Stevens

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 26,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 26,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
DD Stevens engages DD Amagiri at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
DD Stevens engages DD Amagiri at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 19,000 yards
DD Hatsuyuki engages DD Stevens at 19,000 yards
Range increases to 26,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,97, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Sawakaze
DD Okikaze
DD Akikaze, Shell hits 1
DD Hokaze

Allied Ships
DD Charles Ausburne
DD Beale
DD Callaghan
DD Erben
DD Healy
DD Richard P. Leary, Shell hits 1
DD Norman Scott
DD Sigsbee
DD Stembel
DD Thatcher
DD Trathen
DD Twiggs

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 24,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 24,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Tanaka, Tomoo crosses the 'T' The 'other' Tanaka. Another good IJN commander. Amazed these ships survived this encounter.
DD Richard P. Leary engages DD Sawakaze at 18,000 yards
DD Okikaze engages DD Healy at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 14,000 yards
DD Twiggs engages DD Sawakaze at 14,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards
DD Callaghan engages DD Akikaze at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
DD Akikaze engages DD Richard P. Leary at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 14,000 yards
DD Beale engages DD Hokaze at 14,000 yards
Range increases to 19,000 yards
Range increases to 28,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,98, Range 24,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Hatsuyuki, Shell hits 16, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Boston
DD Bennion
DD Luce
DD McCord
DD Mullany
DD Philip
DD John Rodgers
DD Saufley
CA Canberra II, Shell hits 1

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 24,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 24,000 yards
CA Canberra II engages DD Hatsuyuki at 24,000 yards
CA Boston engages DD Hatsuyuki at 24,000 yards
Range increases to 8,000 yards
CA Canberra II engages DD Hatsuyuki at 8,000 yards
DD Hatsuyuki sunk by CA Canberra II at 8,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,97, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Kinu, Shell hits 1
DD Nokaze, Shell hits 2, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Charles Ausburne
DD Beale
DD Callaghan
DD Erben
DD Healy
DD Richard P. Leary
DD Norman Scott
DD Sigsbee
DD Stembel
DD Thatcher
DD Trathen, Shell hits 1
DD Twiggs

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 24,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 24,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Nishimura, Teiji crosses the 'T' Good commander, not enough ships! These didn't fire their TT at all during this battle either.
Range closes to 14,000 yards
DD Nokaze engages DD Sigsbee at 14,000 yards
CL Kinu engages DD Trathen at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
CL Kinu engages DD Callaghan at 7,000 yards
DD Beale engages DD Nokaze at 7,000 yards
McGrigor, R.R. orders Allied TF to disengage
DD Nokaze engages DD Sigsbee at 10,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards
DD Twiggs engages DD Nokaze at 12,000 yards
Range increases to 16,000 yards
CL Kinu engages DD Twiggs at 16,000 yards
DD Nokaze engages DD Erben at 16,000 yards
DD Callaghan engages DD Nokaze at 16,000 yards
Range increases to 20,000 yards
CL Kinu engages DD Healy at 20,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Morning Air attack on 21st Air Defense AA Battalion, at 55,61 , near Bangkok

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 10
J2M5 Jack x 3
N1K1-J George x 3
N1K2-J George x 6
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 6
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 3
Ki-84a Frank x 6
Ki-100-I Tony x 2

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 40

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 6 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 36
N1K2-J George x 81
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 28
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 46
Ki-61-Id Tony x 9
Ki-84a Frank x 78

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-61-Id Tony: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 13 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 35
N1K2-J George x 75
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 25
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 43
Ki-61-Id Tony x 3
Ki-84a Frank x 77

Allied aircraft
P-51B Mustang x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51B Mustang: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 47,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 34
N1K2-J George x 71
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 24
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 32
Ki-61-Id Tony x 2
Ki-84a Frank x 74

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 6 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 23 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 32
N1K2-J George x 66
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 23
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 20
Ki-61-Id Tony x 1
Ki-84a Frank x 63

Allied aircraft
P-51B Mustang x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51B Mustang: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x P-51B Mustang sweeping at 31000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 30
N1K2-J George x 63
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 19
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 18
Ki-61-Id Tony x 1
Ki-84a Frank x 54

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 3
B-17E Fortress x 9
B-24D Liberator x 7
B-24D1 Liberator x 10
B-24J Liberator x 68
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 4 damaged
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
P1Y2 Frances: 17 destroyed on ground
B6N2 Jill: 3 destroyed on ground
P1Y1 Frances: 13 destroyed on ground
B5N2 Kate: 4 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed on ground
M6A1 Seiran: 14 destroyed on ground
E13A1 Jake: 4 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 3 destroyed, 14 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Airbase hits 24
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 73

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Banzai! - Kawai S. in a Ki-84a Frank rams a B-24J Liberator for the Emperor First one of these I've seen. I'll have to check, but it's probably a very good pilots who's plane was damaged. It looked in the replay like this only caused damage to the B-24.

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Morning Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 51 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 27
N1K2-J George x 48
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 10
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 10
Ki-61-Id Tony x 1
Ki-84a Frank x 36

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 4 destroyed, 6 damaged Lots of these smaller packages came in later and suffered.

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Balikpapan at 64,98

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 42
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 29

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Shikinami, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
DD Amagiri, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb
11 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Shikinami
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Amagiri


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IJ Army instructors accelerate training of 83 pilots from month-cycle 10
Accelerated training for 408 IJ Army pilots from month-cycle 9

Reinforcements:

1st Glider Inf. Regiment arrives at Kagoshima
2nd Glider Inf. Regiment arrives at Kagoshima
1st Raiding Tank Battalion arrives at Kagoshima
64th JNAF AF Unit arrives at Tokyo
SS RO-56 arrives at Nagoya

Aircraft A7M2 Sam advances R&D (12/44)!! This plane will begin building in about 10 days!!!!

Losses:

CA Suzuya
Loss of DD Hatsuyuki on Oct 31, 1944 is admitted
Loss of DD Shikinami on Oct 31, 1944 is admitted
Loss of DD Yuzuki on Oct 31, 1944 is admitted
Loss of ACM Tama Maru #2 on Oct 31, 1944 is admitted
Loss of MTB G-880 on Oct 31, 1944 is admitted
Loss of MTB G-1001 on Oct 31, 1944 is admitted
Loss of MGB G-1002 on Oct 31, 1944 is admitted
Loss of MTB G-1003 on Oct 31, 1944 is admitted

Ships Sunk: Nice to get two modern CA, plus they are a lot of VPs.

CA Sleipner is reported to have been sunk near Balikpapan on Oct 31, 1944
CA Wichita is reported to have been sunk near Balikpapan on Oct 31, 1944
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Was it worth it? Well, at this point I'm losing a good number of airframes, some small DDs, a couple of good ones, and a CA to basically slow the advance a few days. Probably not worth it, but in exchange we down 50+ 4E and a good number of the best Allied fighters at better than usual ratios, and sink at least 2 modern CA plus possibly a DD (mine). Also during these two days I've been able to fly more troops in and possibly extend the siege here. That may be the biggest positive of the operation. Since the fields are now closed I'll try to keep sending stuff to Samarinda to then walk over. Mostly support and fragments of units already there.
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For the first time since the early game the Allies have moved ahead in points. At his current pace (which will likely increase as more and more territory is taken) Jocke will likely get to a marginal victory in VPs. It's a good indication of where we are but not a complete measure of this particular game. Due to several concessions for playability and to help keep us both interested decisions were made that led to fewer points for the Japanese side in certain aspects.

The game likely would have stopped had I refused some concession on China in late 42, and had I demanded to continue the strategy I'd based all of my early decisions on; the goal to take all of China and gain it's industry and resources (plus VPs) for the remainder of the game until the Russians could take them back.

Even after the beta issue with coordination was figured out we did not upgrade which allowed the Allies to also have the 'free' pre-turn intel on aircraft placement during the first 2/3 of the game. This was inhibiting to say the least, and combined with the ultra-coordination he learned to use by massing 4E strikes after sweeps led to a one-sided air war that only recently has begun to even out.

Psychologically I felt these were necessary to keep things going. Jocke has been a great competitor and partner in this game, but has had some down-points, understandably, after losing all US CVs early and feeling he simply couldn't play another several years and not even make progress in the game. He's since then learned ways to move forward and gained perspective on those times, as have I. I'm glad we have worked through things but still there is always more to discuss in a game that gets less stable the more we get into the massive concentrations of units that occur in the late game.

In short although I play to win, I'm not concerned with 'winning.' I want to have a hard fought battle and an honorable attitude toward each other as we finish this game out. So while the VPs are something I'll celebrate (and bemoan) from time-to-time this count doesn't measure everything in this particular campaign. If we keep playing competitively and with good humour through mid-45 then to me we've both 'won.'




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SUBS: The I-27 puts one fish into CV Illustrious. Can't seem to get more than one hit, but at least it's something and again will make him think about where these are right now. No extra messages on the CR for this hit so I'm sure it's not severe damage, but the ship is showing up on the sunk list. That is not probable as no Brit planes were lost these turns.

The Trigger keeps hanging around in Balikpapan avoiding mines and hits CL Kino, already wounded by air strikes, with one TT. This CL will likely be lost so I let it stop fires in port for one night and now I'll post it in the hex solo in case it actually will fire one of it's still full complement of long lances tomorrow against something. Also lost an SC to a sub near Luzon. Interesting that he continues to operate subs within air ASW range from Luzon and Formosa instead of patrolling the middle of the South China Sea where I can't reach except with Es.

DEI: Balikpapan is pounded again. At least this is postponing the landings a few days. I don't even spot amphib TFs with his CVs but they must be around.

A controversial move today as Jocke sends in night bombing B-29s to hit the airfields. More on that in the next post.

S DEI: No moves here in spite of the clear field after subs sprinted off and SAGs engaged at Balaikpapan. I'm hoping the kami strike earlier is at least making him think.

BURMA: Bombing commences against my newly installed army blocking the Tavoy units along the Moulmein-Bangkok road. After units get some forts losses will likely be lower and soon more AA will come up the road to join in. There's no hope of him weakening these enough to break through here before the big stack arrives. Feeling quite secure in the withdrawal now. It'll be interesting to see if he moves toward Raheng or down this road direct toward Bangkok with the big stack.

CENTRAL PACFIC: Guam continues to hold, but the Allies get a 1:1 for the first time, reducing Japanese troops further. The next one will likely capture the base.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 1, 44
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TF 106 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Ships
AMc Ichiyo Maru, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

40 mines cleared

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Night Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y1 Frances: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed on ground
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground
P1Y2 Frances: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 5

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Sub attack near Balikpapan at 66,97

Japanese Ships
SS I-27, hits 12

Allied Ships
CV Illustrious, Torpedo hits 1
CLAA Reno
CLAA San Juan
DD Benham
DD Barton
DD Cassin
DD Tucker
DD Fanning
DD Stack

SS I-27 launches 6 torpedoes at CV Illustrious
DD Cassin attacking submerged sub ....
DD Stack fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Stack fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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TF 262 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Ships
AMc Nichiro Maru
AMc Tatebu Maru, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
AMc Shinko Maru #5
AMc Kozan Maru

124 mines cleared

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Morning Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 11 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 15
Ki-61-Id Tony x 8

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 4 destroyed
Ki-61-Id Tony: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
37 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet

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Morning Air attack on 21st Air Defense AA Battalion, at 55,61 , near Bangkok

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 13
J2M5 Jack x 6
N1K1-J George x 3
N1K2-J George x 9
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 8
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 3
Ki-84a Frank x 9
Ki-100-I Tony x 2

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 2 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 3
B-17E Fortress x 7
B-24D1 Liberator x 13
B-24J Liberator x 36
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 4 destroyed on ground
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed on ground
P1Y1 Frances: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-84a Frank: 5 destroyed on ground
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 6 destroyed on ground
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
P1Y2 Frances: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed on ground
M6A1 Seiran: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 60

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 3rd Tank Division, at 55,57 , near Moulmein

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 14
Spitfire VIII x 4
B-17F Fortress x 3
B-24D1 Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 57
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Balikpapan at 64,97

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9
Ki-61-Id Tony x 4

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 62
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 29
TBM-1C Avenger x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed
Ki-61-Id Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-1C Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Naka, Bomb hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Hokaze
DD Nokaze, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
CL Kinu, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
DD Okikaze
DD Akikaze
DD Sawakaze

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb
33 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 10000 feet
15 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
14 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 10000 feet
7 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb
8 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb

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Ground combat at Davao (79,91)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 23622 troops, 585 guns, 707 vehicles, Assault Value = 854

Defending force 13016 troops, 117 guns, 59 vehicles, Assault Value = 247

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Allied adjusted assault: 294

Japanese adjusted defense: 586

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
865 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 66 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Vehicles lost 13 (9 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
400 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 56 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

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Ground combat at Catbalogan (82,84)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 8931 troops, 188 guns, 90 vehicles, Assault Value = 287

Defending force 1088 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 20

Allied adjusted assault: 121

Japanese adjusted defense: 11

Allied assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Catbalogan !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
255 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
22nd Marine Regiment
29th Marine Regiment

Defending units:
Yokosuka 1st SNLF /1
51st JAAF AF Bn

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Ground combat at Saipan (108,93)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 45927 troops, 1062 guns, 1053 vehicles, Assault Value = 1389

Defending force 17003 troops, 152 guns, 155 vehicles, Assault Value = 110

Allied adjusted assault: 2475

Japanese adjusted defense: 199

Allied assault odds: 12 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2182 casualties reported
Squads: 45 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 20 destroyed, 243 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 62 (30 destroyed, 32 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
934 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 94 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 12 (1 destroyed, 11 disabled)

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 2, 44
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TF 262 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Ships
AMc Shinko Maru #5
AMc Kozan Maru

70 mines cleared


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,97, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Tokati Maru, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Hale
DD Halsey Powell
DD Abner Read
DD Tingey
DD Twining
DD Walker
DD Waller
DD Wickes
DD Yarnall
DD McCalla
DD Frazier

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TF 262 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Ships
AMc Kozan Maru

5 mines cleared


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TF 262 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Ships
AMc Kozan Maru, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,97, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-882, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB G-883, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB G-888

Allied Ships
DD Hale
DD Halsey Powell
DD Abner Read
DD Tingey
DD Twining
DD Walker
DD Waller
DD Wickes
DD Yarnall
DD McCalla
DD Frazier

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TF 262 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Ships
AMc Shinko Maru #5

27 mines cleared

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TF 41 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Ships
AMc Nishho Maru

35 mines cleared

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TF 163 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Ships
AMc Wa 20
AMc Wa 6

36 mines cleared

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Morning Air attack on Taytay , at 75,82

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 27
D4Y4 Judy x 36
N1K1-J George x 26

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AVD Williamson, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires

Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Port hits 2
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x D4Y4 Judy bombing from 9000 feet *
Port Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Taytay , at 75,82

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y3 Judy x 27
N1K2-J George x 25

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AVD Williamson, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x D4Y3 Judy bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Taytay , at 75,82

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 5 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 26

Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PBY-5 Catalina: 2 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 15

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 23rd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 79,91 (Davao)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 4
B-25C Mitchell x 3
B-25D1 Mitchell x 35
B-25G Mitchell x 3
B-25H Mitchell x 18
B-25J1 Mitchell x 3
FM-2 Wildcat x 10
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 15

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 48th Division, at 55,60 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 5
Liberator B.VI x 8
B-17F Fortress x 3
B-24D1 Liberator x 6
B-24J Liberator x 37
B-25C Mitchell x 16
B-25D1 Mitchell x 15
B-25H Mitchell x 15
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 4
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 27

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
269 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 9
B-17E Fortress x 6
B-24D Liberator x 5
B-24D1 Liberator x 13
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y1 Frances: 1 destroyed on ground
P1Y2 Frances: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 48

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Guam (106,95)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 42696 troops, 902 guns, 1459 vehicles, Assault Value = 1553

Defending force 26056 troops, 442 guns, 216 vehicles, Assault Value = 384

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Allied adjusted assault: 810

Japanese adjusted defense: 741

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1824 casualties reported
Squads: 51 destroyed, 97 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 54 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 54 disabled
Guns lost 93 (11 destroyed, 82 disabled)
Vehicles lost 50 (28 destroyed, 22 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1184 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 197 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 35 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 38 disabled
Vehicles lost 76 (5 destroyed, 71 disabled)

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Ground combat at Saipan (108,93)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2504 troops, 135 guns, 388 vehicles, Assault Value = 1329

Defending force 15103 troops, 121 guns, 155 vehicles, Assault Value = 73

Allied adjusted assault: 506

Japanese adjusted defense: 117

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
936 casualties reported
Squads: 31 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 35 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 16 (12 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 16 (1 destroyed, 15 disabled)

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Ground combat at Moulmein (55,55)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 450 troops, 30 guns, 30 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Defending force 155354 troops, 1636 guns, 563 vehicles, Assault Value = 5454

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 7 (3 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Assaulting units:
2/9th Field Regiment

Defending units:
29th Ind.Mixed Brigade
79th Brigade
38th Division
2nd Division
2nd Guards Division
39th Division
5th Division
24th Ind.Mixed Brigade
21st Division
33rd Division
75th Infantry Brigade
16th Division
18th Division
55th Division
1st Ind.Mixed Regiment
27th Fld AA Gun Co
40th Field AA Battalion
39th Field AA Battalion
38th Field AA Battalion
33rd Road Const Co
115th AA Regiment
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
43rd Const Co
41st Ind.AA Gun Co
1st Air Defense AA Regiment
56th Field AA Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
32nd Field AA Battalion
43rd Ind.AA Gun Co
70th Field AA Battalion
49th AA Machinecannon Company
8th RF Gun Battalion

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Reinforcements:

MTB G-1006 arrives at Nagoya
E No.47 arrives at Tokyo
E No.37 arrives at Tokyo
9th Garrison Unit arrives at Tokyo

Losses:

Loss of DD Nokaze on Nov 01, 1944 is admitted
CL Naka
Loss of MTB G-882 on Nov 02, 1944 is admitted
Loss of MTB G-883 on Nov 02, 1944 is admitted
Loss of MTB G-888 on Nov 02, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SC Ch 20 on Nov 01, 1944 is admitted

Ships Sunk:

AVD Williamson is reported to have been sunk near Taytay on Nov 02, 1944
xAK John C. Calhoun is reported to have been sunk near Lahaina on Aug 22, 1944
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The new Ki-84r Frank is here! All Frank factories upgrade immediately and that brings the total production to around 270/month. I'm frantically adding Ha-45 factories as there are not enough now, and this will require another 60 new ones. There will be some shortages soon as only 175 of those engines are left in the pools. This should mean about 9 planes a day. That'll fill out some key groups in Bangkok and Manila over the next few weeks. 36k CAP!
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/8/2013 2:28:01 PM   
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It seems it's one thing after another here. I just don't know about our understanding of each other right now.

After getting the airfield close to shut with 4E strikes the day before, Jocke sends in night strikes that just tip the balance to closing the fields for the next day when most likely they would have been open for CAP after the many engineers here had a night to work.

Jocke has said repeatedly that he thinks night bombing is overpowered and that it's not a fair tactic. He has been gracious in not using it to bomb fields or ports while I've voluntarily opened up our HRs for night bombing, at my own instigation, to include all days (not 50% moon as we started with). It is a valid tactic with B-29s against strategic targets especially, and he has bombed manpower when possible to make this as fair as it can be with the current settings. He still routinely takes out 50% of the night fighters up on Cap with each raid and I've had to increase the build on these simply to keep groups filled out.

While this raid came as a huge surprise for me it didn't change much on it's own except to keep the likely 45 plane CAP down and avoid losses to his sweeps and day strikes. It did make me immediately ask him whether his thoughts had changed about this tactic. He didn't seem to think it a problem in small numbers, but I still do. The results are below, but here is what I mentioned to Jocke.

The worrisome thing is 13/1/21 hits (35 total) and 18 planes destroyed on a level 9 base at night by 25 B-29s which in the war were proven not to be able to precision bomb at night.

On a smaller base the results would have been likely much worse and possibly closed the fields simply from these few planes on night strikes.

I absolutely hate having to bring up restrictions on play, and I don't want to steer anything toward a real or even a seeming Japanese advantage in the HRs, but night bombing is just not right against precision targets. Jocke says he meant to use these a few days ago but they didn't fly, and was trying also to use some on port strike, but they didn't fly this turn. I'm still confused as to why he suddenly thinks he needs them here when he has stated previously that he doesn't need them and doesn't believe they are fair. In the future I could see huge applications for this that would swing future battles tremendously. These strikes at 5 different fields in Luzon before big day strikes would render some bases ineffective and others less effective, and really compromise daylight defenses.

In my most recent message I proposed having no strikes on airfields or ports at night. I said if he feels he needs to have night strikes a viable option that I would think no more than 100 2E on night missions for one base would be a good compromise. This would allow both sides some use of it, but nothing too extreme.

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Night Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y1 Frances: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed on ground
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground
P1Y2 Frances: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 5

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/8/2013 2:44:02 PM   
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Ok. Now the next issue. I haven't even mentioned this to Jocke yet and I won't if people think it's completely valid. It seems incredibly cheesy to me and smells like taking advantage of the system to gain knowledge of force disposition.

Jocke sent one small arty unit with no AV across the river into the main stack at Moulmein to obviously get compete info on my troops there. So, now he has that as you can see from the report below.

Am I wrong in thinking there is something gamey with this? It seems I've heard of other instances of players trying this and it being called out as not quite right there, but I can't remember in what games now. It certainly doesn't feel like a usual tactic that I see a lot.

So what do you all think?

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Ground combat at Moulmein (55,55)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 450 troops, 30 guns, 30 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Defending force 155354 troops, 1636 guns, 563 vehicles, Assault Value = 5454

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 7 (3 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Assaulting units:
2/9th Field Regiment

Defending units:
29th Ind.Mixed Brigade
79th Brigade
38th Division
2nd Division
2nd Guards Division
39th Division
5th Division
24th Ind.Mixed Brigade
21st Division
33rd Division
75th Infantry Brigade
16th Division
18th Division
55th Division
1st Ind.Mixed Regiment
27th Fld AA Gun Co
40th Field AA Battalion
39th Field AA Battalion
38th Field AA Battalion
33rd Road Const Co
115th AA Regiment
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
43rd Const Co
41st Ind.AA Gun Co
1st Air Defense AA Regiment
56th Field AA Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
32nd Field AA Battalion
43rd Ind.AA Gun Co
70th Field AA Battalion
49th AA Machinecannon Company
8th RF Gun Battalion

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/8/2013 3:50:15 PM   
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Am I wrong in thinking there is something gamey with this? It seems I've heard of other instances of players trying this and it being called out as not quite right there, but I can't remember in what games now. It certainly doesn't feel like a usual tactic that I see a lot.

So what do you all think?


It is not quite right, but it somehow makes some sense. The game lacks a probe/patrol, or some form of precise recon you get when you're in contact with the enemy, and bombardment plays this role.

Right now, if you don't bombard, you can be in the same hex as an enemy stack and not know its strength until you commit to a full fledged attack. If you are on the other side of a river, then you even need to shock attack (ie cross in strength) to get this information.

As such, I would say it is legit, even though having to use artillery units to do this seems extremely strange.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/8/2013 6:05:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert
Am I wrong in thinking there is something gamey with this? It seems I've heard of other instances of players trying this and it being called out as not quite right there, but I can't remember in what games now. It certainly doesn't feel like a usual tactic that I see a lot.

So what do you all think?


It is not quite right, but it somehow makes some sense. The game lacks a probe/patrol, or some form of precise recon you get when you're in contact with the enemy, and bombardment plays this role.

Right now, if you don't bombard, you can be in the same hex as an enemy stack and not know its strength until you commit to a full fledged attack. If you are on the other side of a river, then you even need to shock attack (ie cross in strength) to get this information.

As such, I would say it is legit, even though having to use artillery units to do this seems extremely strange.

Francois


After thinking about this further it seems even worse than at first. I see what you're saying there, but from the air (recon) you already get numbers of troops, guns and vehicles. If you bomb you get individual unit names, usually most of them over the course of several mission.

This gives all of that plus actual strength and potentially more (combat factors like supply, leaders, etc). The whole point of defending a river crossing is to defend the crossing, so it's pretty unlikely a scouting party would make it through the entire Japanese army counting units and men and machines and assessing their combat strength as they got blown back to the other side.

Don't you also force the entire Japanese army to expend supplies to fight off this attack by one arty unit?

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