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ORIGINAL: jrcar

I think shipping to Takao is a mistake, it will become a bottleneck (even at Level 7), get it all the way back to the home islands and save 4 days of unloading/reloading at Takao.

Even in the home islands I drop off at multiple ports so that only a max of 2 convoy are in a single port at a time.


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Rob

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ORIGINAL: Redsunrizing

Hello Mike, I can't see the naval 11th air fleet in your deployments, and I was wondering where you were going to use this HQ?

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

I try to build up bases to prevent fuel spoilage. There are some bases where you can't get the magic 10 port + airfield to prevent spoilage.

Wonderful idea about AV & AG to eliminate the need for a BF. Never thought of that!

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Also a great idea about increasing refineries in Java. That would take only 25 refineries. That's worth it. I think I'll do that. That would eliminate the excess oil and increase supply to 15,750 and fuel to 54,150 a month.

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Ok, thoughts on increasing Java's HI. Java starts with 225 oil, 260 resources, 200 refineries, 60 HI and 180 LI. There's a deficit of 1300 resources a day. I didn't expect that, but the 180 LI does a number on the resources. Fortunately, there are a lot of resource producing bases nearby. I will ship resources from the following:

Base (resource centers)

Bandjermasin (60)
Tobali (20)
Billiton (20)
Christmas Is IO (10)
Makassar (20)
Kolaka (40)
Palembang (20)
Singkep (20)
Pontianak (20)

This will allow me to increase the HI in Java by 50 to 110 leaving the following excess for use elsewhere:

Monthly excess:

Supply - 15,000
Fuel - 47,400
Oil - 7500
Resources - 0

The supply will be used in Java as well as the surrounding small bases. Not sure about the fuel, but the oil will make the long trek to Japan.

Mike

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

I can turn off LI? I thought the patch stopped one from turning off LI! Man, it's been a long time.

Mike

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Question: I think I read somewhere that if you upgrade an air unit, it now costs PPs. Is that true? If so, does anyone know how the cost is calculated?

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Thanks for the bad news Pax.

Question: I think I read somewhere that if you upgrade an air unit, it now costs PPs. Is that true? If so, does anyone know how the cost is calculated?

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

hkbhsi (I'm not even going to try to pronounce that ), you're right. It all depends. But if the refineries are intact, then 25 additional refineries are required to refine the excess oil. I really don't care about the supply cost. It would be all about the 7500 excess oil a month that wouldn't have to be shipped to Japan. I know it's not really a lot, but that's a long distance for the oil to travel to be refined. That extra fuel a month would be used for fleet refueling in the SRA where the main body of the fleet will be stationed when not being used.

The fuel would most likely be moved off Java, but since it's in the form of fuel and not oil, there would be more options. As oil, only TKs and AOs can move it. As fuel, xAKs can also move it. I see TKs and AOs being at a premium throughout the war. Having to divert a large TK a month or dedicate a couple of 1250 TKs forever (just to get the oil to Singapore) may be an issue. We'll see what transpires.

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ORIGINAL: SireChaos

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Thanks for the bad news Pax.

Question: I think I read somewhere that if you upgrade an air unit, it now costs PPs. Is that true? If so, does anyone know how the cost is calculated?

Yeah, that's what I read. Do you have any examples? It's going to take a bite out of the PPs, which will slow down the release of LCUs out of Manchuoko. Just curious how much it will impact things.

I noticed earlier today that the current PP total is shown when you change the model a squadron upgrades to; maybe that is what costs PP? That would make more sense, given that most squadrons upgrade anyway sooner or later.

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

No big deal, Mike. I just chalk it up to Allied misinformation.

Mike

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

The discussions above have caused me to change my resource/oil/fuel movement plans. I'm going to bypass Formosa altogether. It saves time unloading/loading and I no longer have to upgrade Takao to a level 7 port. Now I will have all my convoys out of Singapore move directly to Nagasaki. I will upgrade Nagasaki's port to level 9, to match Singapore. That does cause a new problem though. The escorts have a much longer trek. I'll have to figure out which escorts I will use for these convoys. I don't expect to use any TK/xAK slower than 15 kts. Time to start figuring what the monthly tonnage of all the stuff will be flowing into Singapore each month.....

Does anyone have the tonnage for the 5 TK classes handy?

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ORIGINAL: hkbhsi

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

hkbhsi (I'm not even going to try to pronounce that ), you're right. It all depends. But if the refineries are intact, then 25 additional refineries are required to refine the excess oil. I really don't care about the supply cost. It would be all about the 7500 excess oil a month that wouldn't have to be shipped to Japan. I know it's not really a lot, but that's a long distance for the oil to travel to be refined. That extra fuel a month would be used for fleet refueling in the SRA where the main body of the fleet will be stationed when not being used.

The fuel would most likely be moved off Java, but since it's in the form of fuel and not oil, there would be more options. As oil, only TKs and AOs can move it. As fuel, xAKs can also move it. I see TKs and AOs being at a premium throughout the war. Having to divert a large TK a month or dedicate a couple of 1250 TKs forever (just to get the oil to Singapore) may be an issue. We'll see what transpires.

Mike,
be aware that cargo convoys that have ships with liquid capacity, when ordered to transport resources will also load oil if present at that port. Therefore it can be useful to use those xAK to haul resources back to Japan from a port where oil is also stockpiled (Singapore mostly).

Alex.

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ORIGINAL: hkbhsi

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

The discussions above have caused me to change my resource/oil/fuel movement plans. I'm going to bypass Formosa altogether. It saves time unloading/loading and I no longer have to upgrade Takao to a level 7 port. Now I will have all my convoys out of Singapore move directly to Nagasaki. I will upgrade Nagasaki's port to level 9, to match Singapore. That does cause a new problem though. The escorts have a much longer trek. I'll have to figure out which escorts I will use for these convoys. I don't expect to use any TK/xAK slower than 15 kts. Time to start figuring what the monthly tonnage of all the stuff will be flowing into Singapore each month.....

Does anyone have the tonnage for the 5 TK classes handy?

Any ship with endurance of at least 6000 will be able to make the trip from Singapore to Nagasaki without refueling in Japan. At the beginning you should have a few ES with 8000 endurance and a lot of PBs with endurance of 6000 and speed of 14 knots.

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

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ORIGINAL: hkbhsi

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

The discussions above have caused me to change my resource/oil/fuel movement plans. I'm going to bypass Formosa altogether. It saves time unloading/loading and I no longer have to upgrade Takao to a level 7 port. Now I will have all my convoys out of Singapore move directly to Nagasaki. I will upgrade Nagasaki's port to level 9, to match Singapore. That does cause a new problem though. The escorts have a much longer trek. I'll have to figure out which escorts I will use for these convoys. I don't expect to use any TK/xAK slower than 15 kts. Time to start figuring what the monthly tonnage of all the stuff will be flowing into Singapore each month.....

Does anyone have the tonnage for the 5 TK classes handy?

Any ship with endurance of at least 6000 will be able to make the trip from Singapore to Nagasaki without refueling in Japan. At the beginning you should have a few ES with 8000 endurance and a lot of PBs with endurance of 6000 and speed of 14 knots.

Thanks much. That's the kind of info I don't have right now. There are the 4 Shimushus that have 8k endurance and 19 kt speed. They will be used to escort the 19 kt TKs (12,800 capacity). The Ansyu-C PBs have 6k endurance but 14 kt speed. I guess I'll have to live with that until something comes along with appropriate endurance and speed to fit the requirements (if there is anything). The only ships that can do it at the start are the Hatsuharus and Shiratsuyus, but they are going to be KB escorts.

With that information now known, I will not use the Yusen-Ns out of Singapore. Their speed will be wasted. I'll now use the Kyushus, with their 15 kt speed escorted by the Ansyu-Cs.

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli
With that information now known, I will not use the Yusen-Ns out of Singapore. Their speed will be wasted. I'll now use the Kyushus, with their 15 kt speed escorted by the Ansyu-Cs.

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ORIGINAL: hkbhsi

Mike,
I think that Singapore has to be the biggest hub in the game; it will receive oil and fuel overland from as far as Magwe (if you capture it intact)and there will always be a huge surplus there.

Moreover I think that due to port size limitations, all that's produced at Palembang needs to go to Singapore and not directly to the Home Islands.

Regarding the overland movement of oil and fuel, my experience is that even if you clear all roads and RRs in south China, you cannot move anything overland from Singapore, but if you drop cargo at Hong Kong it will travel to Shangai if you build it to level 9 port.

Alex.

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ORIGINAL: Olorin

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli
With that information now known, I will not use the Yusen-Ns out of Singapore. Their speed will be wasted. I'll now use the Kyushus, with their 15 kt speed escorted by the Ansyu-Cs.

I think it's the other way around

Yusen N - 15 knots
Kyushu - 18 knots

So you could use the Yusens in Singapore and maybe hide the Kyushus in some rear area port until you get some decent escorts (or use them in invasions and lose 2/3 of them like I did).

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Oh yeah, I do plan on increasing the HI in Singapore. Not sure how much yet, but whatever it is, there will definitely be excess fuel and resources to feed it.