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RE: 1945 March 07 - 8/3/2016 10:28:51 AM

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Home Islands east.

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RE: 1945 March 07 - 8/3/2016 2:36:49 PM

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A nice little surprise is that the Soviet Command HQ at Vladivostok covered Hokkaido.

Sorry for being thick -- but what exactly does this mean? And how can you get any benefits from the USSR when they are supposedly still neutral?

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RE: 1945 March 07 - 8/3/2016 3:54:21 PM

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A nice little surprise is that the Soviet Command HQ at Vladivostok covered Hokkaido.

Sorry for being thick -- but what exactly does this mean? And how can you get any benefits from the USSR when they are supposedly still neutral?

The range is 2* their listed range so it could easily cover Hokkaido. I am guessing that the formula to calculate whether an HQ can participate in the attack does not include checking to make sure it is the same national origin and also that it is not 'neutral' as you put it.

So if he had it set for 'Sapporo' for example it should apply the HQ bonus.

Am I close?

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RE: 1945 March 07 - 8/3/2016 4:36:32 PM

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OK that makes sense but it sure sounds like a bug if the Allies get any kind of support from the Soviets before their official entry into the war.

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RE: 1945 March 07 - 8/3/2016 5:01:04 PM

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OK that makes sense but it sure sounds like a bug if the Allies get any kind of support from the Soviets before their official entry into the war.

Not impossible to imagine - the Russians cooperated with the British to allow operation of Lancaster bombers from there to hit BB Tirpitz in Norway.
Sure they were reluctant, but the Allies could threaten to end their convoys of supply and equipment to Murmansk if the Russians did not cooperate.

I think similar pressure could have been exerted to get cooperation when needed in the Pacific theatre - as long as the Japanese were not aware it was happening.

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RE: 1945 March 07 - 8/3/2016 9:15:14 PM

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I agree it is not ideal but it is in line with how the rest of the game works. The notion of a Command HQ being within a certain physical range to allow a TOE upgrade is artificial anyway, so I'm not offended or worried by a Soviet Command HQ filling the role.

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1945 March 08 - 8/3/2016 9:16:07 PM

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1945 March 08

The Empire captured:

The Allies captured:
Tagula Island is occupied by the Allies
Allied forces CAPTURE Chengchow !!!

There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:

There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:
Timoeka

Imperial Naval Bombardments

Allied Naval Bombardments:

Our subs are conducting secret activities. They are encountering some activity, this being most notable today.

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Sub attack near Iwaki at 117,60

Japanese Ships
DD Sakura
DD Sugi
DD Tanigiri
DD Hatakaze

Allied Ships
SS Flounder

SS Flounder launches 4 torpedoes at DD Sakura
DD Tanigiri fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Hatakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Hatakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Hatakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Hatakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Hatakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Hatakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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While it's possible those destroyers are sortieing toward Hokkaido to raid shipping at ports, I think they are going to head east to intercept some troop convoys inbound to Hokkaido because some of those convoys have been spotted. Measures will be taken. There is also a new concentration of MTB types at Hirosaki/Aomori, so we will sortie the same ilk from Hakodate to do battle.

The strategic strikes against Hirosaki/Aomori achieved some Light Industry hits but did not fly against any other targets. Orders remain in place for tomorrow.

I'm in the middle of rearranging the sweeping fighter groups in the Okinawas. Due to stragglers repairing before moving it will be a few days. The notion of using P-38 groups to escort the B-29 groups (or B-24 groups) has not worked out terribly well, with only a few missions getting escorts. Accordingly, the P-38 groups are vacating Amami Oshima and P-47 groups will be based there. The P-51 groups, will their longer range, will be based at Tokunoshima and farther back as necessary.

The steamroller steams on in China.

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Ground combat at Chengchow (88,44)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 6139 troops, 36 guns, 668 vehicles, Assault Value = 476

Defending force 5127 troops, 37 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 142

Allied adjusted assault: 434

Japanese adjusted defense: 47

Allied assault odds: 9 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Chengchow !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2063 casualties reported
Squads: 70 destroyed, 45 disabled
Non Combat: 49 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 22 (16 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Allied ground losses:
58 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
150th RAC Regiment
254th Armoured Brigade
50th Tank Brigade

Defending units:
105th NCPC Route Brigade
4th NCPC Infantry Brigade
34th/C Division

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Ground combat at Ningpo (92,56)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3633 troops, 58 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 131

Defending force 628 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4

Allied adjusted assault: 131

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 131 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
597 casualties reported
Squads: 34 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 61 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
46th Indian Brigade
70th Coast AA Regiment
20th Indian Heavy AA Regiment

Defending units:
3rd RGC Division

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Ground combat at 74,41 (near Chengtu)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12207 troops, 20 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 509

Defending force 2213 troops, 11 guns, 5 vehicles, Assault Value = 15

Allied adjusted assault: 138

Japanese adjusted defense: 5

Allied assault odds: 27 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
153 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
20th Chinese Corps
70th Chinese/C Corps
X' Force
6th War Area
23rd Group Army
29th Group Army

Defending units:
RGC Capital Brigade

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And Ningpo is secured; zombies near Chengtu are getting nearer to ex-zombie status. From Chengchow our armoured units will move to capture the airfield at Kaifeng, which is size 8 and will anchor our air umbrella in the area. That brings up the fact that the Imperials holding Hankow are hampering our efforts to move air support forward along that axis of advance, but we should be able to begin reducing defenses there in somewhat over a week.

Cleanup in the Philippines is slow.

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Ground combat at Baybay (81,86)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1930 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 108

Defending force 1150 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 24

Allied adjusted assault: 48

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 48 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
morale(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
3rd Commando Brigade

Defending units:
II./4th Infantry Battalion

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Just one more day until we order an attack at Cagayan.

Sapporo is secure.

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Ground combat at Sapporo (120,51)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 62961 troops, 1132 guns, 935 vehicles, Assault Value = 2261

Defending force 8047 troops, 22 guns, 46 vehicles, Assault Value = 22

Allied adjusted assault: 1062

Japanese adjusted defense: 5

Allied assault odds: 212 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), fatigue(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
9474 casualties reported
Squads: 29 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 654 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 20 (20 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 48 (48 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 8

Allied ground losses:
51 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
763rd Tank Battalion
1st Marine Division
1st (Spec) Cavalry Division
98th Infantry Division
762nd Tank Battalion
7th Infantry Division
3rd Australian Division
11th Australian Division
33rd Medium Regiment
1st RFA Engineer Regiment
531st Field Artillery Battalion
225th Field Artillery Battalion
51st Marine Defense Battalion
249th Field Artillery Battalion
532nd Field Artillery Battalion
198th Field Artillery Battalion
35th Base Group
2nd RFA Engineer Regiment

Defending units:
23rd Port Unit
24th Port Unit
1st Air Division
12th Air Fleet
4th Mixed Brigade
3rd Amphibious Brigade
178th JAAF AF Bn
27th Army
7th/A Division

178th JAAF AF Bn Wiped Out at Sapporo by attrition!!!
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More Air raids on our DD ASW TF west of Hakodate, no hits.

Upgraded the first squadron to P-47N, at Hakodate. I think 460 mph will help make CAP there even more effective protecting nearby ships. ~3,000,000 supply on Hokkaido: I guess we can sustain operations for a while.

Air losses, higher today mostly due to naval strikes against our valiant ASW forces. We are short of fully trained USN fighter pilots, but you knew that.

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RE: 1945 March 08 - 8/3/2016 9:16:30 PM

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China west.

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RE: 1945 March 08 - 8/3/2016 9:16:47 PM

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China east. Almost 300,000 Imperial troops trapped in the greater Shanghai pocket. Shanghai itself will probably have more than 150,000 after Soochow is assaulted, and will be dealt with slowly. Hangchow has more than 110,000 troops, and will be assaulted after the 33,000 troops at Nanking are dispatched.

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RE: 1945 March 08 - 8/3/2016 9:17:08 PM

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Philippines.

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RE: 1945 March 08 - 8/3/2016 9:17:29 PM

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Home Islands west.

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RE: 1945 March 08 - 8/3/2016 9:17:44 PM

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Home Islands east.

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RE: 1945 March 08 - 8/3/2016 9:18:13 PM

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What do you guys think about the prospect of me sending an expeditionary force along this route with an eye toward instigating early Soviet Activation?

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RE: 1945 March 08 - 8/3/2016 9:19:37 PM

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Here is that IJN destroyer TF...

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RE: 1945 March 08 - 8/3/2016 9:25:15 PM

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Is the plan to knock out enough defenders in Manchuria to make the garrison strength too low? Nasty. Sneaky. I like it.

Disclaimer: I have no idea how easy or hard it would be, but you seem to be well in control of the land campaign in China.

On the Soviet HQ "spilling over" I didn't realize it was just for a TOE upgrade or some similar purely administrative function. I'll concede that's not really a violation of neutrality. If it gave you combat bonuses somehow then that would really be out of line IMHO. Although maybe you'll solve the Soviet "neutrality" problem pretty soon anyway.

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RE: 1945 March 08 - 8/3/2016 9:31:40 PM

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Is the plan to knock out enough defenders in Manchuria to make the garrison strength too low? Nasty. Sneaky. I like it. Disclaimer: I have no idea how easy or hard it would be, but you seem to be well in control of the land campaign in China.

On the Soviet HQ "spilling over" I didn't realize it was just for a TOE upgrade or some similar purely administrative function. I'll concede that's not really a violation of neutrality. If it gave you combat bonuses somehow then that would really be out of line IMHO. Although maybe you'll solve the Soviet "neutrality" problem pretty soon anyway.

Ooh - didn't even think about combat bonuses, but that Command HQ is not prepped for anything on Hokkaido anyway so it should not be much (or any???) help. I only noticed that units updated their TOE without me yet sea lifting in a Command HQ, so I went looking.

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Is the plan to knock out enough defenders in Manchuria to make the garrison strength too low?

Yes, that's the idea. We've discussed it a couple or three times in the past in this AAR, and it seemed unrealistic given the amount of time it would take to complete. But recent events/advances have shown how hollow the IJN lines on the mainland have become. Maybe that's not true within the Garrison boundaries, and maybe not in Korea either. But I've begun thinking about it again.

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RE: 1945 March 08 - 8/3/2016 11:44:00 PM

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What do you guys think about the prospect of me sending an expeditionary force along this route with an eye toward instigating early Soviet Activation?

I'm always in favor of more invasions. Plus you prommised you'd erase every red dot on the map, so you'll have to do it sooner or later, right?

The question is, which land assets could you commit to this push? Tientsin is heavy urban terrain, it might last for a while in a siege. Also, where would you use those assets if you do NOT send that invasion force? Or do you plan to just march troops from the Shangai zone? Can you do that and still take Shangai et al?

I am supposing here that the game will go on even if you reach 2-1 VP ratio. You are pretty close to that and the shangai pocket will net you a lot of VPs. So I am assuming you think the game will still go on afterwards or something similar. Because if not, I don't know if you can actually activate the russians in time...

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RE: 1945 March 08 - 8/4/2016 12:38:28 AM

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What do you guys think about the prospect of me sending an expeditionary force along this route with an eye toward instigating early Soviet Activation?

I'm always in favor of more invasions. Plus you prommised you'd erase every red dot on the map, so you'll have to do it sooner or later, right?

The question is, which land assets could you commit to this push? Tientsin is heavy urban terrain, it might last for a while in a siege. Also, where would you use those assets if you do NOT send that invasion force? Or do you plan to just march troops from the Shangai zone? Can you do that and still take Shangai et al?

I am supposing here that the game will go on even if you reach 2-1 VP ratio. You are pretty close to that and the shangai pocket will net you a lot of VPs. So I am assuming you think the game will still go on afterwards or something similar. Because if not, I don't know if you can actually activate the russians in time...

The numbers of IJA troops already destroyed and trapped in the Shanghai pocket make me think he has been defending forward. To do that he would have bought out as much of the AV in Manchukuo as he could. I think the area beyond Peiping is an eggshell waiting to be cracked.
That said, 8000 AV is a fair chunk if he can concentrate much of it (minus garrisons in key cities). Didn't you have a Moppo gambit in the works?

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RE: 1945 March 08 - 8/4/2016 1:17:28 AM

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What do you guys think about the prospect of me sending an expeditionary force along this route with an eye toward instigating early Soviet Activation?

Why not just do an amphibious assault directly onto the Korean coastline? Maybe I am missing something but your opponent could simply block you in Manchuko with the reserve troops there.

Unless you can slip past him into Korea and cause him to draw down his reserves how will you create the soviet activation?

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1945 March 09 - 8/4/2016 1:44:09 AM

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1945 March 09

The Empire captured:

The Allies captured:
Timoeka is occupied by the Allies
Allied forces CAPTURE Soochow !!!

There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:

There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:
Damar

Imperial Naval Bombardments

Allied Naval Bombardments:
Allied Ships Bombarding enemy troops at Guiuan

Our subs are conducting secret activities. And early warning is always good.

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ASW attack near Nakadori-jima at 101,56

Japanese Ships
DD Nagatsuki

Allied Ships
SS Pickerel, hits 5

SS Pickerel launches 2 torpedoes at DD Nagatsuki
Pickerel diving deep ....
DD Nagatsuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Nagatsuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Nagatsuki attacking submerged sub ....
DD Nagatsuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Nagatsuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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The DD duo cost us a PT but was rebuffed.

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Ningpo at 92,56, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Shimozuki
DD Nagatsuki

Allied Ships
PT-183
PT-184
PT-185
PT-186
PT-187
PT-188, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-189
PT-190
PT-191
PT-196
PT-219
PT-220

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 17% moonlight: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 4,000 yards
DD Nagatsuki engages PT-220 at 4,000 yards
DD Shimozuki engages PT-220 at 4,000 yards
PT-196 engages DD Nagatsuki at 4,000 yards
PT-188 sunk by DD Shimozuki at 4,000 yards
PT-187 engages DD Shimozuki at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Nagatsuki engages PT-220 at 2,000 yards
DD Shimozuki engages PT-219 at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 4,000 yards
DD Shimozuki engages PT-220 at 4,000 yards
DD Nagatsuki engages PT-185 at 4,000 yards
DD Shimozuki engages PT-220 at 4,000 yards
DD Shimozuki engages PT-184 at 4,000 yards
Range increases to 6,000 yards
PT-220 engages DD Nagatsuki at 6,000 yards
DD Shimozuki engages PT-186 at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
DD Nagatsuki engages PT-220 at 10,000 yards
DD Nagatsuki engages PT-189 at 10,000 yards
DD Shimozuki engages PT-186 at 10,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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On the other side of (much shrunken) Empire, it looks like they were heading for Hokkaido instead of eastward as I thought.

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Ominato at 120,56, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Ume, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Sugi, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Sakura
DD Hatakaze
DD Tanigiri, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Samuel Moore, Shell hits 2
DD Smalley
DD Jarvis
DD Gridley
DD Maury, Shell hits 1
DD Beatty II

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 17% moonlight: 5,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 8,000 yards
DD Maury engages DD Tanigiri at 8,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Maury at 8,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Smalley at 8,000 yards
DD Tanigiri engages DD Samuel Moore at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Beatty II at 4,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Gridley at 4,000 yards
DD Ume engages DD Gridley at 4,000 yards
DD Sugi engages DD Samuel Moore at 4,000 yards
Range increases to 5,000 yards
DD Beatty II engages DD Tanigiri at 5,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Jarvis at 5,000 yards
DD Sakura engages DD Gridley at 5,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Jarvis at 5,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards
DD Tanigiri engages DD Maury at 4,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Maury at 4,000 yards
DD Gridley engages DD Sakura at 4,000 yards
DD Ume engages DD Jarvis at 4,000 yards
DD Ume engages DD Smalley at 4,000 yards
DD Sakura engages DD Samuel Moore at 4,000 yards
Range increases to 6,000 yards
DD Tanigiri engages DD Beatty II at 6,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Maury at 6,000 yards
DD Sugi engages DD Gridley at 6,000 yards
DD Sugi engages DD Smalley at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
DD Beatty II engages DD Sugi at 10,000 yards
DD Sugi engages DD Maury at 10,000 yards
DD Tanigiri engages DD Gridley at 10,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Jarvis at 10,000 yards
DD Ume engages DD Smalley at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
DD Beatty II engages DD Tanigiri at 9,000 yards
DD Sakura engages DD Maury at 9,000 yards
DD Maury engages DD Sugi at 9,000 yards
DD Ume engages DD Samuel Moore at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
DD Samuel Moore engages DD Tanigiri at 11,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Maury at 11,000 yards
DD Sakura engages DD Gridley at 11,000 yards
DD Ume engages DD Jarvis at 11,000 yards
DD Smalley engages DD Ume at 11,000 yards
DD Tanigiri engages DD Samuel Moore at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
DD Tanigiri engages DD Beatty II at 9,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Beatty II at 9,000 yards
DD Smalley engages DD Sakura at 9,000 yards
DD Sugi engages DD Smalley at 9,000 yards
DD Sugi engages DD Smalley at 9,000 yards
DD Sugi engages DD Samuel Moore at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
DD Tanigiri engages DD Beatty II at 10,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Jarvis at 10,000 yards
DD Gridley engages DD Sakura at 10,000 yards
DD Sugi engages DD Jarvis at 10,000 yards
DD Maury engages DD Ume at 10,000 yards
DD Samuel Moore engages DD Sugi at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
DD Tanigiri engages DD Samuel Moore at 8,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Beatty II at 8,000 yards
DD Gridley engages DD Sakura at 8,000 yards
DD Sugi engages DD Gridley at 8,000 yards
DD Ume engages DD Maury at 8,000 yards
DD Sugi engages DD Samuel Moore at 8,000 yards
DD Tanigiri engages DD Maury at 8,000 yards
DD Tanigiri engages DD Gridley at 8,000 yards
DD Jarvis engages DD Sugi at 8,000 yards
DD Sugi engages DD Smalley at 8,000 yards
DD Samuel Moore engages DD Sugi at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 9,000 yards
DD Maury engages DD Tanigiri at 9,000 yards
DD Maury engages DD Hatakaze at 9,000 yards
DD Sakura engages DD Gridley at 9,000 yards
DD Sugi engages DD Gridley at 9,000 yards
DD Smalley engages DD Tanigiri at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
DD Tanigiri engages DD Maury at 10,000 yards
DD Sugi engages DD Maury at 10,000 yards
DD Sugi engages DD Gridley at 10,000 yards
DD Maury engages DD Sugi at 10,000 yards
DD Ume engages DD Smalley at 10,000 yards
DD Sugi engages DD Samuel Moore at 10,000 yards
Range increases to 15,000 yards
DD Tanigiri engages DD Maury at 15,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Maury at 15,000 yards
DD Sugi engages DD Gridley at 15,000 yards
DD Gridley engages DD Sugi at 15,000 yards
DD Smalley engages DD Ume at 15,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Sendai at 118,58, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Ume, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
DD Sakura, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Hatakaze, Shell hits 2, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Samuel Moore, Shell hits 2
DD Smalley
DD Jarvis
DD Gridley
DD Maury, Shell hits 1
DD Beatty II

Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 24,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
DD Sakura engages DD Beatty II at 12,000 yards
DD Sakura engages DD Beatty II at 12,000 yards
DD Sakura engages DD Gridley at 12,000 yards
DD Sakura engages DD Smalley at 12,000 yards
DD Sakura engages DD Samuel Moore at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
DD Samuel Moore engages DD Hatakaze at 8,000 yards
DD Ume engages DD Gridley at 8,000 yards
DD Ume engages DD Jarvis at 8,000 yards
DD Smalley engages DD Hatakaze at 8,000 yards
DD Ume engages DD Samuel Moore at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Samuel Moore at 6,000 yards
DD Ume engages DD Maury at 6,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Gridley at 6,000 yards
DD Sakura engages DD Jarvis at 6,000 yards
DD Sakura engages DD Smalley at 6,000 yards
DD Samuel Moore engages DD Ume at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 8,000 yards
DD Beatty II engages DD Ume at 8,000 yards
DD Ume engages DD Maury at 8,000 yards
DD Ume engages DD Samuel Moore at 8,000 yards
DD Jarvis engages DD Sakura at 8,000 yards
DD Ume engages DD Smalley at 8,000 yards
DD Samuel Moore engages DD Hatakaze at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 9,000 yards
DD Sakura engages DD Maury at 9,000 yards
DD Sakura engages DD Gridley at 9,000 yards
DD Sakura engages DD Jarvis at 9,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Smalley at 9,000 yards
DD Samuel Moore engages DD Hatakaze at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Samuel Moore at 12,000 yards
DD Samuel Moore engages DD Sakura at 12,000 yards
DD Jarvis engages DD Sakura at 12,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Smalley at 12,000 yards
Japanese TF attempts to disengage
DD Hatakaze engages DD Gridley at 12,000 yards
DD Maury engages DD Sakura at 12,000 yards
DD Gridley engages DD Sakura at 12,000 yards
DD Ume engages DD Jarvis at 12,000 yards
DD Smalley engages DD Ume at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards
DD Beatty II engages DD Hatakaze at 11,000 yards
DD Sakura engages DD Jarvis at 11,000 yards
DD Gridley engages DD Ume at 11,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Jarvis at 11,000 yards
DD Smalley engages DD Hatakaze at 11,000 yards
DD Ume engages DD Samuel Moore at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
DD Samuel Moore engages DD Hatakaze at 9,000 yards
DD Sakura engages DD Maury at 9,000 yards
DD Ume engages DD Gridley at 9,000 yards
DD Sakura engages DD Jarvis at 9,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Smalley at 9,000 yards
DD Samuel Moore engages DD Ume at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
DD Beatty II engages DD Hatakaze at 10,000 yards
DD Ume engages DD Gridley at 10,000 yards
DD Ume engages DD Smalley at 10,000 yards
DD Sakura engages DD Samuel Moore at 10,000 yards
Range increases to 13,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Gridley at 13,000 yards
DD Maury engages DD Sakura at 13,000 yards
DD Maury engages DD Ume at 13,000 yards
DD Jarvis engages DD Hatakaze at 13,000 yards
DD Smalley engages DD Ume at 13,000 yards
DD Samuel Moore engages DD Ume at 13,000 yards
Range increases to 14,000 yards
DD Gridley engages DD Hatakaze at 14,000 yards
DD Gridley engages DD Sakura at 14,000 yards
DD Smalley engages DD Sakura at 14,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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The PT on PT combat at Hirosaki/Aomori were inconclusive. More air raids on our ASW DDs: they are getting to be a pretty good rope-a-dope!

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Ground combat at 74,41 (near Chengtu)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12215 troops, 20 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 509

Defending force 2090 troops, 8 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 12

Allied adjusted assault: 283

Japanese adjusted defense: 5

Allied assault odds: 56 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
69 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
20th Chinese Corps
70th Chinese/C Corps
23rd Group Army
X' Force
6th War Area
29th Group Army

Defending units:
RGC Capital Brigade

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Ground combat at Soochow (92,54)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 24702 troops, 404 guns, 261 vehicles, Assault Value = 748

Defending force 5826 troops, 52 guns, 39 vehicles, Assault Value = 117

Allied adjusted assault: 483

Japanese adjusted defense: 42

Allied assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Soochow !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
2252 casualties reported
Squads: 84 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 158 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 38 (38 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 41 (41 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
106 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
32nd Infantry Division
96th Infantry Division

Defending units:
24th RGC Temp. Division
Shanghai SNLF
17th/C Division
11th Army

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Slow, slow, slow in the Philippines.

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Ground combat at Guiuan (82,85)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1267 troops, 17 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 44

Defending force 1142 troops, 8 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 18

Allied adjusted assault: 8

Japanese adjusted defense: 7

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), preparation(-), morale(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
NG Vol Rifles Battalion

Defending units:
2nd Indpt SNLF Coy
79th JAAF AF Bn

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We got some hits on all strategic industry targets today. Same orders tomorrow.

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RE: 1945 March 09 - 8/4/2016 1:44:29 AM

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China west.

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China east.

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Philippines.

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RE: 1945 March 09 - 8/4/2016 1:45:33 AM

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Home Islands west.

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Home Islands east. That Imperial convoy relying on Soviet neutrality is 2x PC and 7x ships total and heading west. We are dispatching a CL TF to intercept.

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RE: 1945 March 09 - 8/4/2016 1:47:08 AM

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What do you guys think about the prospect of me sending an expeditionary force along this route with an eye toward instigating early Soviet Activation?

Why not just do an amphibious assault directly onto the Korean coastline? Maybe I am missing something but your opponent could simply block you in Manchuko with the reserve troops there.

Unless you can slip past him into Korea and cause him to draw down his reserves how will you create the soviet activation?

Preparation time, landing difficulties, fleet support, and so on. Besides, going straight into Korea might not pull the garrison and release the Soviets.

I should add a direct answer to your 'how' question: by destroying Imperial troops in open terrain.

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It really depends upon the amount of troops in the bases on the east coast of China like Tinian, Suchow, Haichow, Tsingtao, etc. If one is relatively light and bombers are within range they can make a real mess of troops to be followed on with paratroops.

It is already mid march so you got a little more than 120 days before activation. Just getting to Tientsin will take 2 weeks to 30 days. Once there you face a dilemma about how to take either Peiping or Tientsin in heavy urban terrain or not have a supply line. From there it is more than 2 weeks to the border of Korea just marching. So you are at 2-3 months already.

If you managed to take Tsingtao or the base to the east of there you might be able to make a staging area for an assault on Chinnampo or the base to the southwest.

Again, I have not been following the AAR closely and have no idea about force distributions. A direct assault on the beaches of Korea or a supported assault from one of the bases on the west coast of the yellow sea would likely be faster but obviously face more risk. It also depends upon how many carrier assets you have and whether you can divert some for protection of surface fleets.

If you do take something on the coast of Korea he still has to try to take it back, possibly resulting in the results you want.

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RE: 1945 March 08 - 8/4/2016 5:00:28 AM

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What do you guys think about the prospect of me sending an expeditionary force along this route with an eye toward instigating early Soviet Activation?

Why not just do an amphibious assault directly onto the Korean coastline? Maybe I am missing something but your opponent could simply block you in Manchuko with the reserve troops there.

Unless you can slip past him into Korea and cause him to draw down his reserves how will you create the soviet activation?

Well, it is a good route. I took Korea with the Allies in 1945 and it really did not matter if the Soviet activate or not. If you hold those bases in Korea then there is little Japan can do to resist Allied bombers. I think if you can do it, the game will probably be over about the time the Soviets would activate anyways. or sooner.

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RE: 1945 March 09 - 8/4/2016 5:06:01 AM

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It really depends upon the amount of troops in the bases on the east coast of China like Tinian, Suchow, Haichow, Tsingtao, etc. If one is relatively light and bombers are within range they can make a real mess of troops to be followed on with paratroops.

It is already mid march so you got a little more than 120 days before activation. Just getting to Tientsin will take 2 weeks to 30 days. Once there you face a dilemma about how to take either Peiping or Tientsin in heavy urban terrain or not have a supply line. From there it is more than 2 weeks to the border of Korea just marching. So you are at 2-3 months already.

If you managed to take Tsingtao or the base to the east of there you might be able to make a staging area for an assault on Chinnampo or the base to the southwest.

Again, I have not been following the AAR closely and have no idea about force distributions. A direct assault on the beaches of Korea or a supported assault from one of the bases on the west coast of the yellow sea would likely be faster but obviously face more risk. It also depends upon how many carrier assets you have and whether you can divert some for protection of surface fleets.

If you do take something on the coast of Korea he still has to try to take it back, possibly resulting in the results you want.

I think most (all?) of the carriers will be busy covering the additional invasions of the Home Islands. I don't know the required Japanese garrison of Tientsin so I'm not sure what might be there, but I think it might be modest. Yeah, land travel time is a looming obstacle now. Damned laws of physics.

OK. Maybe "stick with plan A" and use the Allied forces in China to reinforce one or more of the Home Island invasions.

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It really depends upon the amount of troops in the bases on the east coast of China like Tinian, Suchow, Haichow, Tsingtao, etc. If one is relatively light and bombers are within range they can make a real mess of troops to be followed on with paratroops.

It is already mid march so you got a little more than 120 days before activation. Just getting to Tientsin will take 2 weeks to 30 days. Once there you face a dilemma about how to take either Peiping or Tientsin in heavy urban terrain or not have a supply line. From there it is more than 2 weeks to the border of Korea just marching. So you are at 2-3 months already.

If you managed to take Tsingtao or the base to the east of there you might be able to make a staging area for an assault on Chinnampo or the base to the southwest.

Again, I have not been following the AAR closely and have no idea about force distributions. A direct assault on the beaches of Korea or a supported assault from one of the bases on the west coast of the yellow sea would likely be faster but obviously face more risk. It also depends upon how many carrier assets you have and whether you can divert some for protection of surface fleets.

If you do take something on the coast of Korea he still has to try to take it back, possibly resulting in the results you want.

I think most (all?) of the carriers will be busy covering the additional invasions of the Home Islands. I don't know the required Japanese garrison of Tientsin so I'm not sure what might be there, but I think it might be modest. Yeah, land travel time is a looming obstacle now. Damned laws of physics.

OK. Maybe "stick with plan A" and use the Allied forces in China to reinforce one or more of the Home Island invasions.

The fastest way to win the game still seems to be getting bombers into position and then sacking the home islands rather than invasion. Maybe I will try that sometime :]

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