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- 11/9/2002 4:36:24 PM   
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[QUOTE]Interesting, came accross that site myself when researching the AVG. Do you no what version the Brits and Dutch flew. [/QUOTE]

The Finns had the B-239 (F2A-1) with 1000 hp engine.

The Poms had the B-339E (F2A-2) with 1100 hp engine. When first sent to the Far East, it weighed 1000 lbs more than the original F2A-2 (wich was already considered too heavy). They stipped about 500 lbs of the weight soon after the fighting with the Japs started but it was still too heavy.

The Clogs had the B-339D and B-439. There wasnt much diff between the B-339D and E but the B-439 (about 20 a/c) was considered a better a/c as it had a 1200 hp engine. Not sure if the B-439 was the export version of the F2A-3 (prob was).

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- 11/10/2002 2:40:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Drongo
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The Finns had the B-239 (F2A-1) with 1000 hp engine.

The Poms had the B-339E (F2A-2) with 1100 hp engine. When first sent to the Far East, it weighed 1000 lbs more than the original F2A-2 (wich was already considered too heavy). They stipped about 500 lbs of the weight soon after the fighting with the Japs started but it was still too heavy.

The Clogs had the B-339D and B-439. There wasnt much diff between the B-339D and E but the B-439 (about 20 a/c) was considered a better a/c as it had a 1200 hp engine. Not sure if the B-439 was the export version of the F2A-3 (prob was). [/B][/QUOTE]
Not exactly. The F2A-3 still had the 1100hp engine, which is why the weight gain carried such a heavy aerodynamic penalty. AFAIK, all F2A-3s went to the USN and USMC as Brewster was by that time way behind on deliveries to their launch customer. IIRC, the story with the B-439s is that they were originally ordered as B-339Ds, but an engine shortage resulted in a few aircraft getting a substitute powerplant.

One factor in the Finns' success with the Buffalo which I didn't see mentioned is environment. The Buffalo was at its best down low, and most of the air fighting over the Eastern Front took place at lower altitudes than in other theaters. (This is also part of what allowed late-war Soviet fighters to compete with late-war German fighters which on paper should have flown circles around them.)

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- 11/11/2002 11:58:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by CynicAl
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One factor in the Finns' success with the Buffalo which I didn't see mentioned is environment. The Buffalo was at its best down low, and most of the air fighting over the Eastern Front took place at lower altitudes than in other theaters. (This is also part of what allowed late-war Soviet fighters to compete with late-war German fighters which on paper should have flown circles around them.) [/B][/QUOTE]

No, no no. It’s the men, not the machines. Give us anything that has speed and horse powers and we show how to use them. Rally cars, Formula 1s, or airplanes, it is all the same. :D

Now only if we would learn to brew as good beer as Aussies…

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- 11/11/2002 4:00:23 PM   
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[QUOTE]Now only if we would learn to brew as good beer as Aussies…[/QUOTE]

Careful Piiska, your in danger of being assimulated.

We'll have to start calling you Pisshead.:p

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- 11/11/2002 4:05:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Piiska
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No, no no. It’s the men, not the machines. Give us anything that has speed and horse powers and we show how to use them. Rally cars, Formula 1s, or airplanes, it is all the same. :D

Now only if we would learn to brew as good beer as Aussies… [/B][/QUOTE]
True only to a point - there are limits. B-239 vs I-15 is one thing, B-239 vs Me262 is a different story. Unless one side is entirely unskilled, the machines have to be at least competitive.

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- 11/11/2002 6:35:16 PM   
Piiska

 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Drongo
[B]Posted by Piiska


Careful Piiska, your in danger of being assimulated.

We'll have to start calling you Pisshead.:p [/B][/QUOTE]

Oi! I was called Pisshead long before my arrival to Oz.
Although, I have to admit that Australian piss does taste better than ours, so it is possible that my head now contains even more piss than it did before (Finns stop laughing). Which, of course, I'm very proud and happy about :D

As said by one wise man: Beer is good

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- 11/12/2002 9:57:15 AM   
Drongo

 

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Status: offline 		Re : Any further UV F4F vs A6M testing.

I've just upgraded to 2.0. Bugger that for a joke. All my carefully set up scenarios for testing now run like ****.

Part of the testing process involves lots of saves and loads. The time this now requires is way too long to bother. I also noted from the few battles I ran under 2.0, the number of aircraft that appear in combat, despite equal starting numbers, will vary wildly (one side will often outnumber the other by 2 to 1). This makes analysis very difficult and time consuming.

Looks like its back to anecdotes until I get round to building test scenarios from scratch under 2.0 (the problem seems to only occur with games started under 1.4 being played under 2.0).

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The light - 11/21/2002 4:11:48 AM   
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yes, Beer is good:D


PS beer is good

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