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Ships trying to refuel at enemy systems - 12/17/2011 8:34:45 PM

Upuauta

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Hello,

After my past experience with the issue, that my ships tried to refuel in the Guarians system and reporting it in this thread http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2970595 I thought this issue was solved with the official patch. But unfortunately it isn�t. And now I have it not only with the Guardians but also with other races. This http://www.file-upload.net/download-3961625/Upuaut---Huppawoe-system---refueling-in-enemy-system.dwg.html is the save-file. I tried uploading the file to your ftp, but wasn�t able to. I hope this works well.
The issue can be exactly seen right after loading this file (pause) in the Huppawoe system of the Dobrelleun Minor Hive at coordinates F6. There you will find an exploration ship trying to refuel at the enemy planet without any refueling rights. ALso if you play further I�m sure you will get warnings from the Guardians regarding my explorers trying to explore their system.
Btw, I use the actual BETA Patch (1.7.07) from the Members Area. I hope you can find a fix for this soon, because as I found out in my old game this can cause big trubble with the eneies. Thanks in advance.

Edit:
What I saw after loading the file again: In addition to the situation described above, you can see an explorer start moving to the Guardian system at B2 to refuel at the Guardian planet.

< Message edited by UPUAUT -- 12/17/2011 8:40:09 PM >

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RE: Ships trying to refuel at enemy systems - 12/19/2011 11:14:27 AM

Upuauta

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Update:

I started 5 games yesterday to further invastigate this problem.
In all games the problem as described in the first post appeared. In addition my first explorers after gamestart begin exploring the Guardians system after it is found and pissing off the Guardians. I can�t believe this only happens to me. I�m getting warnings every time a ship from me enters Guardians space - don�t you other guys have the same? How do you handle this? Do you bribe them all the time?
Really, this becomes a show-stopper for me.
Devs, please take a look at this, please. Or give us(me) an option to forbid a system or mark it as a no-fly-zone.

Thanks in advance for any help.

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RE: Ships trying to refuel at enemy systems - 12/20/2011 9:40:22 AM

Andrew Brown

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quote:

ORIGINAL: UPUAUT
I�m getting warnings every time a ship from me enters Guardians space - don�t you other guys have the same?

I have only played this game a little (so far), but I have the same thing happening as you. Ships going to refuel at the Guardian homeworld on a regular basis, with regular warnings form them to withdraw. On the bright side they don't seem to get too upset by the continual infractions. I may be missing something, but I don't know how to prevent it.

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RE: Ships trying to refuel at enemy systems - 12/20/2011 12:54:26 PM

Upuauta

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Yes, at the beginning the Guardians are just complaining. But after the 10th ship or so tries to refuel at their base they start shooting at it and their opinion on us in the diplomatic screen is falling like a rock. That�s when I end the game or cheat my way out by using the editor and remove their ships. But I really don�t want to cheat like this....
At least I�m glad to read I�m not the only one having this problem. There is, and from now on I call it so, a bug that lets ships in some situations try to refuel at other races stations without any diplomatic rights. I so hope this gets fixed.

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RE: Ships trying to refuel at enemy systems - 12/27/2011 4:13:42 AM

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I have noticed refueling problems as well. When I am not given an option to refuel from gas mining facilities, and when I select refuel at nearest it is going 1/4 the way across the map to an allied facility when I have facilities insystem. After they warp out when I press refuel again, the fleet correctly finds my facility. I'm going to attempt to upload my savegame.

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RE: Ships trying to refuel at enemy systems - 12/27/2011 12:39:30 PM

sbach2o

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I think the AI only complaints about armed ships in their territory. It has happened occasionally to me, too, when a freighter is escorted by a military ship, but not with explorers, because I do not arm them, obviously.

Have you modified your designs? Still, that doesn't keep your points from being valid. The AI should take the reaction of rival empires into account when deciding where to escort/refuel. Could there be an empire policy option giving some control over this (I didn't check)? If so, the default setting should be chosen to prevent conflict.

Side note: An armed explorer doesn't look like a good idea at all as it would only be fit to explore into the territory of close allies.

< Message edited by sbach2o -- 12/27/2011 12:41:22 PM >

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RE: Ships trying to refuel at enemy systems - 12/27/2011 5:19:35 PM

republicofpepsi

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I sometimes put long range sensors on my exploration ships, that causes the AI to label them military.

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RE: Ships trying to refuel at enemy systems - 12/28/2011 4:42:29 PM

Rtwfreak

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Something in 1.7.7 is causing my ships to go into non-pact space and I'm getting a lot more messages now to stop attacking these races. I didn't get this in 1.7.5 and only vaguely in 1.7.6
Is there a way to make a popup that will show these ships of mine that are socalled attacking these other races ships when not at war?

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RE: Ships trying to refuel at enemy systems - 1/21/2012 12:35:54 AM

elliotg

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Refueling agreements with other empires only apply to military ships - all other ships can always refuel at other empires colonies and bases (unless at war or have trade sanctions).

So your explorers are correctly refueling at other empire's facilities.

If you modified the base explorer ship designs to add weapons, then this will be why you get warnings from other empires. A single weapon on privately-owned ships is ok (e.g. freighters), but state-controlled ships like explorers will cause problems if they have weapons.

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RE: Ships trying to refuel at enemy systems - 1/21/2012 2:08:22 AM

Kayoz

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quote:

ORIGINAL: elliotg
A single weapon on privately-owned ships is ok (e.g. freighters)

How much is "too much"?

One weapon (any) or does can heavy freighters bear more weapons than a small freighter? Or are armaments on civilian ships simply ignored, regardless of type/size?

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RE: Ships trying to refuel at enemy systems - 1/21/2012 10:49:20 AM

Theluin