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RE: The Future - 5/28/2012 10:22:18 PM   
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RA uses stacking limits, so it does have some limit.

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RE: Planning for the Future - 5/29/2012 1:50:06 PM   
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Do I get a whiff of victory disease, here?

If you like taking out big numbers of civilian ships, bomb Cocos and blockade it for a year. His supply runs will grant you a lot of tonnage to kill, and once the airfield is closed, he won't get it open, again.

The more you spread out in the pacific, the thinner your lines are, and the easier it is to bypass you. If you don't intend to invade every island except Hawaii, he'll always have a starting point and a much bigger choice where to strike. So if you want to be satisfied with Australia and want to secure it, the whole eastern coast is safe once you have fortified the solomones - caledonia- NZ area.



Victory Disease?

I'd say the taking of Australia is a MIGHTY demonstration of the GLORY of Dai Nippon. Eight Corners of the World Under ONE Roof baby!

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A or B? - 5/29/2012 2:06:02 PM   
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I've decided firmly that Cocos Isle is firmly a go! Anyone got a suitable Japanese Landing Operational Name. Any Ideas?

PLAN:
1. Build-Up Christmas Island IO for a support base.
2. Move several BBs from Eastern Australia to Soerabaja to begin Bombardment Runs. Begin an every other day Bombardment Regimen.
3. Plan to form-up a support TF comprising a SMALL part of the CV Fleet.
4. Bring 4 ID to the Landing with PREP at least at 80%+.
5. Plan a Landing about July 1st.

Central Pacific Operational Choices:

Option A: Suva/Nadi
Good:
1. Close to the growing bases of New Caledonia and Luganville.
2. Not a huge drain on Fuel.
3. Not far for a damaged ship to seek safety.
4. Near Eastern Australia where most of the Army is.
5. A clear cut opportunity to smash about 20+ Allied LCUs.
6. Near the end of the Allied logistical tether.

Bad:
1. Doesn't guarantee a Fleet engagement.
2. Several enemy AF close with strong aerial resistance probable.
3. Wouldn't draw Allied forces away from a planned Northern or Central Offensive.
4. Fairly easy to predict attack from the Allied point-of-view.

Option B: Line Islands

Good:
1. A certain degree of Operational Surprise possible.
2. Would be possible to isolate Christmas Isle by grabbing all the bases near it.
3. Would force a Fleet Engagement in all probability.
4. Taking the target would open up all sorts of possibilities for raids into the Eastern Pacific and PH Line-of-Communication.

Bad:
1. Lord knows how many troops are at Christmas.
2. Fuel intensive Operation and near the end of the Japanese Logistical tether.
3. No real support bases anywhere close.

Either Operation will be supported by an enlarged KB as well as most of the Fleet. Figure 4-5 Inf Div available for this attack.

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RE: A or B? - 5/29/2012 3:23:53 PM   
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Continued thoughts?


Some distance checks versus upcoming Allied air frames:

Suva to:
- Nomuea: 17 hex
- Esprito Santo: 17
- Ndeni: 20
* Tongatapu (AF4+3): 10
* Samoas (AF3+3): 15
* Pago Pago: 17
* Auckland: 29
This place is locked into an area with a few good allied support bases indeed, although pretty much only Tongatapu could provide fighter cover. A plus is also the long distance to any kind of larger repair yard (Auckland: ~16+). With Sidney in Japanese hands, the IJN now has a sizable yard quite close by. Surely not optimal for any kind of Allied commitment in this region in the near future, which makes me think more about...

Line Islands, Palmyra to:
- Johnston Is.: 21
- Pearl: 26
- Kona: 23
Add ca 8 hexes to Christmas Is.
As said by others before, the big catch is the long distance to your repair yards versus the short to his.

Some normal/extended ranges (F w droptanks) for selected planes (or their successors) that may play a role when dealing with these islands:

B17G: 14/17
B24J: 16/20
B29-1: 28/35 (from 3/44, I don't have the unit arrival schedule handy, though)
F4F-4: 5/6
F6F-3: 8/10 (from 7/43)
F4U-1: 8/8 (from 12/43)
F4U-1D: 11/14
P38F: 10/13
P38H: 12/15
P47-D2: 5/6
P51B: 11/13 (from 2/44)
P51D: 15/19

I think the trouble when having to deal with retaking the Line Islands from a determined defender is the question of CV air power versus LBA support. Either the Allied player can muster a pretty huge CV fleet on its own, or he will need long-ranged LBA support, but there is essentially no such support until the B-29 arrives in numbers. Even then, there is no Allied fighter with the range to reach Palmyra, not even the P-51H or P-47N (extended with droptanks = 20). Hence, the solution we saw in an earlier AAR to combine B-29 with Hellcat escorts and sweeps from a CV concentration, which means unless a huge foobar rids you of KB, the Line Islands would be pretty safe on their own until mid 44.
Also: with the additional island/atoll defense units the IJN gets in RA, taking more but smaller forward bases seems to me more sensible in this mod compared to having to secure huge gains. The latter will require larger LCUs, and these either might end dead or -worse- useless if bypassed.

Thinking about the pros and cons, Line Islands sticks out in my opinion. You can recon Johnston and the Hawaiian chain from there, which robs Lew either of the moment of surprise (pretty much) for Amphib Ops in CentPac, or forces him to use bases on far-away CONUSA as staging area instead.
I was also wondering whether a quick snatch of the Line Islands might secure naval superiority and isolate Suva/Nadi and Pago-Pago, so you would keep the option open to deal with that later into summer or autumn? You'd have plenty of time, and Lew would face increasingly risky troubles to supply these islands (and NZ) via the long southern convoy routes. With a bit of luck, this may open opportunities for some good raiding, or Lew might even be tempted into risking his CV to evacuate some LCU there. Line Islands also isolates Canton Island, and would allow raiding Society or Marquesas Islands. One could even think about dropping a few small units there and building up an AF or two to harass Allied shipping.

I guess the most important issue now is to do lots of recon! Intel sounds like the name of the game for the meantime. Perhaps with sub-based Glens or even a few fast CAs for raiding/recon. I'd also think a bit beyond Cocos... Perhaps I'd even send some recon missions to Addu and Diego Garcia, just out of curiosity...

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RE: A or B? - 5/29/2012 6:13:24 PM   
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I've decided firmly that Cocos Isle is firmly a go! Anyone got a suitable Japanese Landing Operational Name. Any Ideas?



Chocolate Dragon

Or would that be communicating the target too clearly?



quote:

Continued thoughts?


You will probably want to hit them sooner than later. He has a lot of shiny new Australian units, and the ability to fill in a lot of devices as a result of the reinforcement convoys.

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RE: A or B? - 5/29/2012 8:44:41 PM   
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One way to think about things is to take what you want, but only keep what you need. (That does sound a bit like the Stones, doesn't it).

So, Cocos is a must take and a must keep. Fiji is neither, but you could take it and hold it only lightly, letting him bomb as much as he wants while nothing is really there. Same for the Line Islands, although much harder to take. NZ is a must not take due to more toys for him that will have too many soon.

Burma is more important than all of these, but if you can get Cocos on the way ...

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RE: A or B? - 5/30/2012 2:39:21 PM   
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Thanks guys. Lots of serious, good contributing.

Concur that Cocos is a MUST take and hold situation. Chocolate Dragon? How might that be said in Japanese to confuse Lew. Would it be something _________ Lung?

I shall recon the area around the Line Islands. Already doing that with Suva--Nadi.

Most important thing right now is that it take 2-3 weeks to take Australia. I shall use that time to rest the KB and get my damaged CVs back into service. Seems pretty prudent to me...


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RE: A or B? - 5/30/2012 3:37:21 PM   
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Just my 2 cents worth... do NOT overextend. Cocos is a keeper, definitely. The Line Islands might be good if you don't get into trouble. But besides those two, focus on Burma, and building up a counterstrike force in the Central/South Pacific.

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RE: A or B? - 5/30/2012 6:15:53 PM   
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Just my 2 cents worth... do NOT overextend. Cocos is a keeper, definitely. The Line Islands might be good if you don't get into trouble. But besides those two, focus on Burma, and building up a counterstrike force in the Central/South Pacific.


Overextend? I'm TAKING Australia! Is that not overextending?

Other thoughts in comparing operations might include the reality that taking Suva--Nadi simply open up other Operations to take Pago Pago and other islands to the east. While this would keep the Japanese with the initiative, I see Line Islands as a finite Operation. If taken, there isn't anywhere else to really HAVE to go.

I need a Fleet engagement at a reasonably early date. Moving on the Line Islands will force that. If we stage the Operation for the end-of-May/early-June then the Americans would have Yorktown, Saratoga, and Hornet. Lexington is sunk and Enterprise is stuck damaged in the IO. Wasp wouldn't be present yet--right?

Japanese CV strength would comprise the original KB plus Shoho, Zuiho, Ryujo, Nisshin and Junyo--Hiyo. I would reorganize the CVs into 2 CV and 1 CVL Task Forces so the Japanese would field 12 CVs.


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RE: A or B? - 5/30/2012 6:54:59 PM   
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LOL!!! I meant more than you already are. You have been bold... just don't be foolhardy :)

Wasp arrives on June 10th. I would not like to be in the receiving end of those 3 Carrier TFs...

I am following this AAR with extreme interest. Thanks for writting it!

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RE: A or B? - 5/30/2012 8:54:46 PM   
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Other thoughts in comparing operations might include the reality that taking Suva--Nadi simply open up other Operations to take Pago Pago and other islands to the east. While this would keep the Japanese with the initiative, I see Line Islands as a finite Operation. If taken, there isn't anywhere else to really HAVE to go.

I need a Fleet engagement at a reasonably early date. Moving on the Line Islands will force that. If we stage the Operation for the end-of-May/early-June then the Americans would have Yorktown, Saratoga, and Hornet. Lexington is sunk and Enterprise is stuck damaged in the IO. Wasp wouldn't be present yet--right?


And Wasp arrives at Panama, so at least 7 more days until she could join up with his fleet.

My thinking regarding Line Islands was actually just the opposite: I would think it isolates a good part of SoPac from a direct LOC with Hawaii and CONUSA, and kind of pocket that sea area so you could take some time to "mop-up" into 43 (assuming the CV engagement was decisive enough to take LI). His units in Pago and Suva would be quite isolated except from on predictable approach route, and that might offer some additional fruits and chances for Lew to make mistakes. Anyway, just thinking out loud. It may as well be an "island too far".

You certainly are right to keep the initiative as long as possible. Initiative, recon and surprise are Japan's best force multipliers.

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RE: A or B? - 5/30/2012 9:04:45 PM   
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post all your emilies at some innocent looking atoll
and intercept his CV fleet with torpedoes


then the IJN carriers can suppress Aus defences comfortably..

you need a size 2 airbase if you want zeroes to escort, or size 0 if you can use Rufes

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RE: A or B? - 5/30/2012 10:38:58 PM   
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Let me guess: The use of Emilies as bombers was proposed? (I can't see the message)

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RE: A or B? - 5/30/2012 11:21:24 PM   
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Let me guess: The use of Emilies as bombers was proposed? (I can't see the message)




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RE: A or B? - 5/31/2012 3:50:05 AM   
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You guys are swinging my thinking more and more towards Michael's suggestion of the Line Islands. Taking them does force a whole new evaluation of Allied troops left south of these bases once taken. Wither on the vine or destroy?

Question that I most fear is WHAT is on Christmas? What is the stacking limit for that base? Since I am still in Southern Colorado, I don't have access to the game map...

Thanks for the Wasp info!

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RE: A or B? - 5/31/2012 4:03:40 AM   
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My wife, Paula, was downloading some of the pictures from the trip on the Cumbres and Toltec so I thought I'd Post one:






It was a great day-long ride. You might recognize it some. This was the train featured in the opening sequence of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (Young Indy).


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RE: A or B? - 5/31/2012 4:06:12 AM   
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post all your emilies at some innocent looking atoll
and intercept his CV fleet with torpedoes


then the IJN carriers can suppress Aus defences comfortably..

you need a size 2 airbase if you want zeroes to escort, or size 0 if you can use Rufes


Would have to take the base first and that--sure as Hell--would draw a response!

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RE: A or B? - 5/31/2012 5:21:03 AM   
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You guys are swinging my thinking more and more towards Michael's suggestion of the Line Islands. Taking them does force a whole new evaluation of Allied troops left south of these bases once taken. Wither on the vine or destroy?

Question that I most fear is WHAT is on Christmas? What is the stacking limit for that base? Since I am still in Southern Colorado, I don't have access to the game map...

Thanks for the Wasp info!

If you are using the optional stacking limits, 30,000 for Christmas Island.

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Home - 6/2/2012 4:45:50 PM   
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We're home safe-and-sound from our first Cochran Family Vacation. Everyone survived and 'appears' to have had a good time!

What is the Japanese word for Black. Anyone?

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April 7-8, 1942 - 6/2/2012 5:10:48 PM   
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Combat Report
April 7-8, 1942


Everything is now settling down after the landings and initial movement in Australia.

North Pacific
Landing two Japanese BF at Umnak to begin serious work on the AF.

Central Pacific
Reinforcements now unloading at Marcus, Wake, Roi-Namur, Jaliut, and Tabitseau

Naval State:
1. CV Junyo and CVL NIsshin at Truk with 8 DDs
2. 2 CA, 4 CL, and 8 DD at Jaliut

South Pacific
Reinforcements unloading at Noumea, Efate, and Luganville.

Naval State:
1. All carriers headed to Sydney for some R&R before moving to their next assignment.
2. BBs Nagato--Mutsu and 4 DDs headed to oerabaja to augment the bombardment TF hitting Cocos.

Australia
NW Region
Two TK Reg hit the 3rd Aust ID and get smacked making a 1-6 attack. Ooopps. OK. Wait for the 65th Brigade to get there and then we'll try again.

He has divided the 2nd ID into its Combat Commands. No idea as to why but that is interesting.

Western Region
Troops advancing on Perth from Geraldton. They are now 2 hexes away.

Parachute assault is scheduled for Port Albany tomorrow.

Naval State:
1. Pull back the 3 CL and 8 DD that were south of Port Albany and order them to head for Port Hedlund and then on to Soerabaja to aid the bombardment TFs.

Southern Region
The 2nd ID is approaching Adelaide with a Brigade holding Port Augusta. Have a 2nd ID about to begin unloading at Augusta to strengthen the attack.

The 35th Brigade enters Melbourne to find only ONE unit present! Order a Shock Attack for tomorrow. It CANNOT be this easy...

In case the 35th fails, I order the loading of an Inf Div at Sydney by fast APs to be unloaded at Portsea.

There is a BUNCH of shipping in Sydney's port and he is trying to hit it with his B-17s. Each day saw 5-9 B-17s attack and get met by 50+ Zero and Oscar. No damage sustained.

Naval State:
1. Place a number of damaged warships (2 CA, 1 CL, and 3 DD) into repair either at pierside or in the actual repair yard. CV Akagi will arrive tomorrow and begin her repairs.
2. Already detailed Nagato and Mutsu leaving for the DEI.
3. Will have all 4 remaining CVs in Port within 2-3 days. They will rest for maybe a week and then I will send them raiding around New Zealand.
4. All AOs ordered back to Truk--Rabaul so they can fuel up.

NE Australia
Two units attempt to attack Rockhampton and my mauled 33rd ID and 144th Inf Reg easily drive them out getting a 4-1 result. Send the 144th in pursuit. Am airlifting an ID into Rockhampton. Once it is fully present then it will advance north towards Townsville.

DEI
There are two Allied TF at Cocos right now. I have CA Myoko and 5 DD about to swing in for some ripe pickings tomorrow. I-155 has a good day on the 8th (see below). Cocos: The GIFT that keeps on GIVING!

Have ordered and am beginning to ship no less then 6 Engineering units to Christmas IO to get work going there.

All of the Imperial Guards are now on their way to Pt. Blair. Once there it will be secure for quite a while.

The 90th Regiment was sitting in Reserve at Port Hedlund. It left 3-4 days ago to garrison Sabang more strongly.

Burma
My ID has finally showed up one hex from Katha. Order it and the 2 TK Reg there to advance and 'feel out' the enemy.

There has been little to no aerial fighting here. I am about to do some recon in force and am moving in more units (3 Oscar Sentai and a Zero Daitai) to see what is up at Myitkyina and over Katha. If OK then I will release my bombers to go to work.

China
No major news.

SS Ops
I-155 hits CL Columbo with 1 TT at Cocos. This CL is seriously hurt and, perhaps, Myoko's TF can finish her off.

Engineering:
Kaifeng, CH AF-6
Corunna Downs AF-5
Attu Pt-2
Carnavon AF-1
Newcastle AF-4
Norfolk Isle AF-2






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RE: Home - 6/2/2012 5:21:32 PM   
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We're home safe-and-sound from our first Cochran Family Vacation. Everyone survived and 'appears' to have had a good time!

What is the Japanese word for Black. Anyone?


John,

I believe (although I may be mistaken) you are looking for the adjective kuroi.

Edit: I had written the kanji with its kana ending, but the site will not display correcly, sorry.

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Naming - 6/2/2012 11:28:41 PM   
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OK. I did some name looking to come up with the Cocos and Line Island Invasions. Here are some possibilities:

Harukaze "Spring Wind"
Akebono "Daybreak or Dawn"
Hatsuharu "Spring Rain"
Amatsukaze "Heavenly Wind"
Maikaze "Whirlwind"

This is a chance for you to place your vote for the Operations. I will go by majority vote. Please pick your top two choices and then we shall figure out which belongs to what operation.

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RE: Naming - 6/3/2012 12:06:16 AM   
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No spring wind nor spring rain... in the southern hemisphere, April is fall, not spring.
So, my votes are for Maikaze, and for something not on your list: Kamikaze, spirit wind or divine wind.

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RE: Naming - 6/3/2012 2:26:18 AM   
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I thought about including Kamikaze but thought it might be too dramatic.

Other Names:
Akikaze "Autumn Wind"
Tachikaze "Wind from a Swinging Sword"
Umikaze "Sea Breeze"


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Holy Flying Cats! - 6/3/2012 7:14:46 AM   
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April 9, 1942


Wow. Just plain old WOW.

North Pacific
Who cares?

Central Pacific
Shuffle DDs between Jaliut and Truk for better AA DDs to the CVs at Truk. Who CARES?

South Pacific
No real developments. WHO CARES?!!

Australia
Holy CRAP.

NW Australia
Continue bombing the crap out of the 2nd and 3rd ID.

Western Australia
Take hex 50,144 driving the units there back towards Perth. My ID has been getting bombed by B-25s so I set a CAP Trap for next turn to bag the bombers.

Busselton has a CAP Trap that works this turn when 7 Kittyhawk's and 6 B-25 are smacked hard by 9 Tojo and 27 Zero. The attacking group is cut to pieces for only 1 Zero.

Albany's parachute assault comes within an eyelash of 2-1. The Forts drop to 0 and so I will take the base tomorrow.

Southern Australia
87,168 (NW of Canberra) is taken by the 33rd ID driving out two units.

Wigga Wigga is attacked by elements of a Brigade. The attack would have worked for the Allies but I have a TK Reg arrive that day and turns the sure fire success into a 1-2 attack. NICE!

MELBOURNE: The Imperial Guards Brigade arrives and launches a swift strike that easily overpowers the large BF present. The result is a 13-1 attack and the JAPANESE CAPTURE MELBOURNE!

BANZAI!

BANZAI!![/size]

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Eastern Australia
Bombing the CRAP out of the 1st ID and Inf Brig west of Rockhampton.

DEI
Cocos Island: The waters there thunder with the sound of guns this day. Unfortunately, the day goes to the British. CA Myoko and 5 DD encounter CA Dorsetshire and 3 Brit DDs. Myoko takes an 8" shell and TT early in the fight. The Brit CA takes 3 8" shells and is definitely damaged. Two Japanese DDs are hurt and one Brit DDs staggers away. For the first time in a long time the Japanese don't get to the AKs that are there. Worse, dawn finds the Japanese being attacked by a few SBDs left behind by Enterprise. DD Tsuta takes 2 1,000lb bombs and sinks. Hmmm...

An Air Flotilla begins unloading at Christmas and the Southern Army now starts to load at Singers for Christmas. WANT the attack bonus. Four ID have already begun planning the Cocos Landing.

Burma
Nada

China
Calm. Buy out the 35th Inf Div and assign it to Burma. Will haul it there once it reaches Shanghai.

SS Ops
Ro-33 avenges the Naval Defeat at Cocos by SINKING CL Colombo with a 2nd TT at Cocos. NICE!

Engineering
Soerabaja AF-5
Balikpapan AF-5


I could never have guessed the success that Operation Cherry Blossom would have. Melbourne is barely damaged and I inherit 38,243 Supply and over 350,000 Resources.

A screenshot for my bonfides!






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RE: Holy Flying Cats! - 6/3/2012 7:30:05 AM   
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Just got home and needed to see how many turns I have in inbox. Just two. Then, I notice your time stamp and we could have gotten caught up with my hour drive home.

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Hi Michael. Need to chat but have church this morning.

Forgot to mention that Myoko is seriously damaged but has an excellent chance of making it back to Port. Her stats are dicey at SYS-51, FL 46, ENG-6. Still able to move at 20+ knots and made it halfway back to Oosthaven--Batavia last turn. If she can stay together one more day I should be able to make Port. Shift to cruise speed and we'll see how things go...


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RE: Holy Flying Cats! - 6/3/2012 3:42:21 PM   
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Am still sitting here in stunned shock with taking Melbourne by a single Brigade!



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Here is the updated screenshot of Southern Australia. Talk about broken field running:






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Do we have other votes for Operational names listed above?


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