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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 2/29/2012 3:04:53 PM   
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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 2/29/2012 3:28:06 PM   
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Singergrad isn't done yet, takes only two days to reach lvl 2, even with the air attacks as most of them target my ground units - for no effect.


Nice to see bluebook is capable of mistakes then.

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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 2/29/2012 5:44:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		As for your subs attacking on the surface. I am amazed to see that your opponent ever sees the need to send out an unescorted convoy. I never seen this in my game as my opponent never sends out ships without escorts. Ane even in mid 44 an escorted convoy is very safe as the sub shoots at the escort most of the time and misses. At least the super Es are nerfed in dababes. There is no Allied sub war after 1/44 in stock. However in my other game I got enough surface sub attacks to know that at least in 42 they were more effective than submerged attacks. Usually, they shoot the gun and then fire some torpedoes as well. Most of the time, I sank the ship. Don't know whats going on with you as it looks odd. If if keep happening you might want to save a file and post it. Sometimes a little change in a patch will mess up something else. Actually, I forgot that this was dababes. You might need to bring it up with them.

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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 2/29/2012 5:58:56 PM   
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There is no Allied sub war after 1/44 in stock.


I've found that wolfpacks rather than single sub TFs really do work. They seem to make the subs more resistant to attack and they can do terrible damage to convoys that sail over them.


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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 2/29/2012 9:50:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		By wolfpack do you mean multiple subs in a single TF or multiple single sub TFs?

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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 2/29/2012 11:36:42 PM   
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By wolfpack do you mean multiple subs in a single TF or multiple single sub TFs?


Multiple subs in a single TF.

I did try having multiple single subs in the same hex but in my experience at least they were FAR less effective.

I have them patrolling mostly in pairs, now, though even in '44 there arent enough to pair up every sub, so there are some singles running around still. I dont' think I've actually lost a single wolfpack submarine yet... either thats some amazing coincidence or wolfpacks really do work.

I've also regularly seen multiple subs in a wolfpack attack on the same day, while if you have multiple single sub TFs in a hex it seems only one of them typically will attack a passing convoy.

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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 3/1/2012 1:36:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Raised the issue with totally undamaged subs breaking off surface engagements in the tech forum, reason for the behaviour seems to be a die roll that looks at the agressiveness of the sub skipper + damage of the sub... and the routine seems to use values that are IMO a bit off as no matter how agressive (or not) a skipper is, a sub should NOT break off it's surface engagement when there is no damage at all... that's my opinion but my opinion won't change things, so we have to continue with something that has no realistic evidence at all I guess, have never heard about sub skippers fleeing from unescorted freighters while staying on patrol when their sub is in PERFECT shape...

I am totally fine with the routine having this happen when sys or flt reaches 20 as Don mentioned which is very much apreciated info... still I definitely see a need to adjust the third trigger, which is damage + agressiveness rating of the skipper, especially when you see that 75% of the highly skilled sub skippers got LOW agressiveness ratings...




AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 25, 42
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Pre-Invasion action off Addu (16,52) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!


13 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso
BB Nagato, Shell hits 1
DD Hatsukaze
DD Natsushio


Allied ground losses:
266 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled


BB Fuso firing at Addu RN Base Force
Addu RN Base Force firing at BB Fuso
BB Nagato firing at Addu RN Base Force
Addu RN Base Force firing at BB Nagato
Addu RN Base Force firing at DD Hatsukaze
DD Hatsukaze firing at Addu RN Base Force
DD Hatsukaze fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 5,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards


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Amphibious Assault at Addu (16,52)

TF 16 troops unloading over beach at Addu, 16,52


god damn, the enemy picked up troops from Diego Garcia and now throws them onto Addu, totally unprepared... oh how I hate the silly amphib bonus feature in PBEM...

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Submarine attack near Kendari at 70,106

Japanese Ships
xAK Bunzan Maru

Allied Ships
SS KX, hits 1



xAK Bunzan Maru is sighted by SS KX
SS KX attacking on the surface
de Back, P.G. decides to submerge SS KX due to damage

the idiocy continues, another sub with the same behaviour, as UNDAMAGED as the other ones doing this... like I've said, the way to go for the IJN would be to use UNESCORTED convoys as this would mean the subs would attack on the surface and would immedietely flee... not realistic but it would be a nice exploit of this "feature"... oh come on, this can't be serious... and me being a ranting bitch or not, I dare to say that this is just not correct as it is set now... NOT CORRECT!

the funny thing about all this, if I would use low naval skill skippers and I would complain about my subs missing even more (with an insane miss rate anyway) someone would pop up asking about my skippers and I would post low naval skill skippers I would get an answer like "no wonder your subs miss all the time, look at the low naval skill of the skippers"...


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Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 8



No Japanese losses



Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 6000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 24
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 19



No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 24

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Singapore Fortress, at 50,84 (Singapore)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B4Y1 Jean x 20
B5N1 Kate x 20



Japanese aircraft losses
B4Y1 Jean: 1 destroyed by flak
B5N1 Kate: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
20 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
20 x B4Y1 Jean bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 9th Indian Division ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...


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Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 23
Ki-30 Ann x 31
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 24



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 4 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 4 damaged


Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 21

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
31 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Singapore Base Force, at 50,84 (Singapore)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 52
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 18



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 25 damaged
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 8 damaged


Allied ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

a hell a lot of aircraft are flying against Singergrad now... those Kates/Jeans further above are taken off some CVL to support the attack on Singergrad, what about that?

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
19 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
9 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 27th Australian Brigade ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking Singapore Base Force ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking Singapore Base Force ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 27th Australian Brigade ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking Singapore Base Force ...


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Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-36 Ida x 12
Ki-51 Sonia x 12



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-36 Ida: 1 destroyed by flak



Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb
12 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 30 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Soerabaja , at 56,104

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 8 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 4
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 23



No Japanese losses



Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 16

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Singapore Fortress, at 50,84 (Singapore)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 13
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 19



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 8 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 8 damaged


Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
13 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 11th Indian Division ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 11th Indian Division ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...


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Afternoon Air attack on Addu RN Base Force, at 16,52 (Addu)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 26
B5N2 Kate x 18
D3A1 Val x 15



No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
83 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

as you can see, enemy CVs are supporting the enemy's assault far into the Indian Ocean, nothing I can do about...

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb





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Amphibious Assault at Christmas Island IO (45,104)

TF 72 troops unloading over beach at Christmas Island IO, 45,104

Japanese ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)



7.7mm T99 AAMG lost in surf during unload of 22nd JAAF AF Bn


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Ground combat at Samarinda (65,96)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 914 troops, 0 guns, 141 vehicles, Assault Value = 74

Defending force 918 troops, 25 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

Japanese adjusted assault: 98

Allied adjusted defense: 3

Japanese assault odds: 32 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Samarinda !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)


Allied ground losses:
562 casualties reported
Squads: 24 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 34 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 26 (26 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2
Units destroyed 1


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
8th Tank Regiment

Defending units:
Samarinda KNIL Battalion
VI KNIL Battalion
Samarinda Base Force


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Ground combat at Madioen (54,104)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 973 troops, 4 guns, 41 vehicles, Assault Value = 37

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 13

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 13 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Madioen !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: op mode(-), leaders(+)



Assaulting units:
22nd Recon Regiment


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Ground combat at Sidate (75,100)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1171 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 32

Defending force 1145 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 29

Japanese adjusted assault: 13

Allied adjusted defense: 10

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Assaulting units:
Sasebo 1st SNLF

Defending units:
Manado Garrison Battalion
Manado Base Force


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Ground combat at 51,103 (near Tjilatjap)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 1641 troops, 19 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 119

Defending force 1230 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 19

Allied adjusted defense: 7

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), leaders(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
172 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Assaulting units:
Sasebo 3rd SNLF
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF

Defending units:
Tjilitap Base Force


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Ground combat at Bima (63,110)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 217 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 4

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Bima !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: supply(-)



Assaulting units:
III/81st Naval Guard Unit


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Ground combat at Addu (16,52)

Japanese Shock attack nooooooo


Attacking force 783 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 40

Defending force 1260 troops, 6 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 8

Japanese adjusted assault: 28

Allied adjusted defense: 5

Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Addu !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I: 10 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), leaders(+), leaders(-), disruption(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
57 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
1323 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 124 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 16 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 6 (6 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

sh*t... a) I didn't expect him picking up some of the troops from Diego Garcia to throw them onto Addu immedietely (fault number one, have you never heard about the fantasy amphib bonus feature in this game?) and b) while not expecting this to happen straight away, I didn't check if Addu would be an atoll that triggers a shock attack, which means I don't have time in between the enemy invasion and the first attack to move out my search aircraft...

same as on Diego Garcia when I expected only a raiding SAG I lose aircraft on the ground... silly me... 1300 Allied soldiers manage to kill a single enemy squad at least, I expected no enemy KIA...

If anyone brings up a discussion about this being an Allied Edition again I seriously will ask him/her if he/she is braindead, the amphib bonus enabling the Japanese to take 2/3 of the map in the first 2 months is enough of an argument...

Assaulting units:
1st Raiding Rgt /2

Defending units:
Addu RN Base Force






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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 3/1/2012 6:20:49 PM   
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Raised the issue with totally undamaged subs breaking off surface engagements in the tech forum, reason for the behaviour seems to be a die roll that looks at the agressiveness of the sub skipper + damage of the sub... and the routine seems to use values that are IMO a bit off as no matter how agressive (or not) a skipper is, a sub should NOT break off it's surface engagement when there is no damage at all... that's my opinion but my opinion won't change things, so we have to continue with something that has no realistic evidence at all I guess, have never heard about sub skippers fleeing from unescorted freighters while staying on patrol when their sub is in PERFECT shape...

If you consider that one lucky hit may render the sub unable to dive, that makes some sense to me.

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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 3/1/2012 7:18:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		If that were the skipper's concern though, why would that skipper engage on the surface in the first place? It might be a reasonable concern, but anyone who weighed it seriously would have the option of launching torpedoes from afar and simply wouldn't start a surface run.

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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 3/1/2012 8:43:45 PM   
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If that were the skipper's concern though, why would that skipper engage on the surface in the first place?


There are two plausible reasons. First, torpedoes are expensive and subs can't carry nearly as many of them as they can carry deck gun shells. Second, the sub may not be operating under "unrestricted submarine warfare" rules yet, and the international conventions suggested that the crews of isolated merchant ships should be given time to abandon ship before it was sunk. This last is unlikely to be part of the AE code, I grant you.

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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 3/1/2012 9:12:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: EUBanana

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ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft

By wolfpack do you mean multiple subs in a single TF or multiple single sub TFs?


Multiple subs in a single TF.


I did try having multiple single subs in the same hex but in my experience at least they were FAR less effective.

I have them patrolling mostly in pairs, now, though even in '44 there arent enough to pair up every sub, so there are some singles running around still. I dont' think I've actually lost a single wolfpack submarine yet... either thats some amazing coincidence or wolfpacks really do work.

I've also regularly seen multiple subs in a wolfpack attack on the same day, while if you have multiple single sub TFs in a hex it seems only one of them typically will attack a passing convoy.


I will give it a try. But are you playing an email opponent or the AI? This can make a difference.



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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 3/2/2012 7:13:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Historiker

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Raised the issue with totally undamaged subs breaking off surface engagements in the tech forum, reason for the behaviour seems to be a die roll that looks at the agressiveness of the sub skipper + damage of the sub... and the routine seems to use values that are IMO a bit off as no matter how agressive (or not) a skipper is, a sub should NOT break off it's surface engagement when there is no damage at all... that's my opinion but my opinion won't change things, so we have to continue with something that has no realistic evidence at all I guess, have never heard about sub skippers fleeing from unescorted freighters while staying on patrol when their sub is in PERFECT shape...

If you consider that one lucky hit may render the sub unable to dive, that makes some sense to me.



really? Wonder why most attacks were driven home on the surface in real life then. A lucky hit can sink a BB, wonder why IJN BBs don't run from mine then. A lucky hit can ignite any ships magazines, a lucky hit can do literally everything. But that is no good reason to break off a sub attack when the sub is in perfect combat condition, no sir!

Again, no problem with the 20 sys 20 flt settings to break off attacks (at such a damage I wouldn't have my subs patrolling anyway) but a sub with 2 sys damage and nothing else breaking off attacks on unescorted freighters because the skipper is one of the 75% of all USN sub commanders that haven't got suicidal agression ratings is just off, isn't plausible and sure hasn't got any historical, real life evidence. It's a nice feature but hitting the right value was a miss in this case.



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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 3/2/2012 7:17:35 AM   
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If that were the skipper's concern though, why would that skipper engage on the surface in the first place?


There are two plausible reasons. First, torpedoes are expensive and subs can't carry nearly as many of them as they can carry deck gun shells. Second, the sub may not be operating under "unrestricted submarine warfare" rules yet, and the international conventions suggested that the crews of isolated merchant ships should be given time to abandon ship before it was sunk. This last is unlikely to be part of the AE code, I grant you.



Also the first is more than unlikely part of AE code.

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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 3/2/2012 9:33:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 26, 42
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Addu at 17,52, Range 12,000 Yards






Japanese Ships
CV Hiryu
CVL Ryujo
CVL Zuiho
CS Chiyoda
CA Chikuma
CA Chokai
CA Myoko
CA Mogami
CA Mikuma
CA Suzuya
CA Kumano
CA Aoba
CL Tenryu
CL Tatsuta
DD Maikaze
DD Amatsukaze
DD Urakaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Nowaki
DD Arashi
DD Hagikaze
DD Tanikaze
DD Arare
DD Yudachi
DD Samidare

Allied Ships
AG Haitan

the AG that was sitting at Addu encounters the Japanese CV TF that was covering the operations in the Indian Ocean... quite an interesting TF composition IMO, pretty strong on CA, not quite how I would set up a CV TF as the IJN but interesting to see... and also good to know that KB is not at full strenght with Hiryu and those two CVL moving around in the IO...

Improved night sighting under 71% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 71% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat


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ASW attack near Koepang at 68,116

Japanese Ships
AO Sata
TK Tonan Maru #3
DD Fuyo

Allied Ships
SS KXI



SS KXI is sighted by escort
DD Fuyo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Fuyo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Fuyo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Fuyo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Fuyo fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Submarine attack near Mussau Island at 105,117

Japanese Ships
xAK Hoshi Maru, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Narwhal



xAK Hoshi Maru is sighted by SS Narwhal
SS Narwhal attacking xAK Hoshi Maru on the surface
SS Narwhal low on gun ammo, Wilkins, C.W. breaks off surface engagement and submerges

one of those issues... a sub doesn't even carry enough gun ammo to outright sink a single freighter...

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Submarine attack near Colombo at 24,48

Japanese Ships
SS I-153

Allied Ships
AG Haitan



AG Haitan is sighted by SS I-153
SS I-153 launches 2 torpedoes

missed...

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Sub attack near Colombo at 24,48

Japanese Ships
SS I-153

Allied Ships
AG Haitan



SS I-153 launches 2 torpedoes

missed...



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Morning Air attack on Singapore Fortress, at 50,84 (Singapore)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B4Y1 Jean x 19
B5N1 Kate x 20



Japanese aircraft losses
B4Y1 Jean: 1 damaged
B4Y1 Jean: 1 destroyed by flak
B5N1 Kate: 5 damaged


Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
18 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
19 x B4Y1 Jean bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
2 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking Singapore Base Force ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...


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Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 23
Ki-30 Ann x 31
Ki-36 Ida x 11
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 21



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 5 damaged
Ki-36 Ida: 1 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 7 damaged



Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
31 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
11 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 30 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 62
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 36



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 31 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 18 damaged


Allied ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 32

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
18 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
21 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 27th Australian Brigade ...
Also attacking Singapore ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking Singapore ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking Singapore ...
Also attacking Malayan Air Wing ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 22nd Australian Brigade ...
Also attacking Singapore ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking Singapore ...


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Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 6



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 1 damaged



Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 12



No Japanese losses



Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Soerabaja , at 56,104

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 4
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 23



No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

IJ airforce is really active lately, op losses are near nil...

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Amphibious Assault at Ua Pou (191,168)

TF 45 troops unloading over beach at Ua Pou, 191,168

Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



17 troops of a SNLF Squad accidentally lost during unload of 52nd Nav Gd


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Ground combat at Subic Bay (78,76)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 13167 troops, 123 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 501

Defending force 360 troops, 22 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1



Assaulting units:
20th Division
16th Recon Regiment

Defending units:
Subic Bay Defenses

amazingly enough, with all those troops at Singergrad, two divisions in the South Pacific there is still another division operating on the Philipines... Subic was abandoned...

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Ground combat at Malaybalay (80,90)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 5761 troops, 59 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 141

Defending force 5528 troops, 23 guns, 50 vehicles, Assault Value = 176

Japanese adjusted assault: 46

Allied adjusted defense: 460

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 10 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
240 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
87 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

my guerilla base in Mindanao's mountains holds easily but again no KIA for the enemy...

Assaulting units:
15th Naval Guard Unit
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
91st Naval Guard Unit

Defending units:
1st /101st PA Battalion
3rd PA Constabulary Regiment
102nd PA Infantry Regiment
103rd PA Infantry Regiment
3rd/101st PA Battalion
Cagayan USAAF Base Force
III Philippine Corps
2nd/101st PA Battalion


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Ground combat at Singapore (50,84)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2748 troops, 267 guns, 56 vehicles, Assault Value = 1896

Defending force 43278 troops, 471 guns, 296 vehicles, Assault Value = 403

Japanese ground losses:
Guns lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
104 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Assaulting units:
21st Division
56th Engineer Regiment
5th Recon Regiment
42nd Infantry Regiment
2nd Recon Regiment
2nd Engineer Regiment
Imperial Guards Division
41st Infantry Regiment
21st Infantry Regiment
114th Infantry Regiment
148th Infantry Regiment
15th Ind. Engineer Regiment
56th Infantry Regiment
4th Ind. Engineer Regiment
5th Engineer Regiment
12th Engineer Regiment
23rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
33rd Division
II./4th Infantry Battalion
55th Infantry Regiment
16th Infantry Regiment
11th Infantry Regiment
24th Infantry Regiment
1st RF Gun Battalion
56th Field Artillery Regiment
18th Mountain Gun Regiment
5th Mortar Battalion
25th Army
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
113th Infantry Regiment
2nd Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Mortar Battalion
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
84th JAAF AF Bn
1st Raiding Rgt /2

Defending units:
2nd Loyal Battalion
11th Indian Division
22nd Australian Brigade
SSVF Brigade
1st Malay Battalion
27th Australian Brigade
9th Indian Division
3rd Heavy AA Regiment
2nd Malay Battalion
24th NZ Pioneer Coy
1st Hyderabad Battalion
Singapore Base Force
Singapore Fortress
109th RAF Base Force
1st ISF Base Force
224 Group RAF
FMSV Brigade
1st Manchester Battalion
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
112th RAF Base Force
3rd HK&S Light AA Regiment
2nd Gordons Battalion
Malaya Army
111th RAF Base Force
Malayan Air Wing
2nd ISF Base Force
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
1st Indian Heavy AA Regiment
223 Group RAF
AHQ Far East
1st HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
III Indian Corps
110th RAF Base Force
109th RN Base Force


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Ground combat at Rangoon (54,53)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3420 troops, 20 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 127

Defending force 1943 troops, 16 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 96



Assaulting units:
112th Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
4th Burma Rifles Battalion
1st Gloucestershire Battalion
Rangoon BAF Battalion
6th Burma Rifles Battalion

all of Burma except Rangoon has been abandoned... I could have held it easily but there was no need to and Burma is not on the list of targets that we are going to defend so the troops were ordered to relocate...

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Ground combat at Sidate (75,100)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1162 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 31

Defending force 1111 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 27

Japanese adjusted assault: 12

Allied adjusted defense: 10

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), morale(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)


Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Assaulting units:
Sasebo 1st SNLF

Defending units:
Manado Garrison Battalion
Manado Base Force


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Ground combat at 51,103 (near Tjilatjap)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 1641 troops, 19 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 119

Defending force 1116 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 38

Allied adjusted defense: 3

Japanese assault odds: 12 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)


Allied ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Assaulting units:
Sasebo 3rd SNLF
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF

Defending units:
Tjilitap Base Force


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Ground combat at Christmas Island IO (45,104)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1065 troops, 9 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 6

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Christmas Island IO !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-)



Assaulting units:
22nd JAAF AF Bn





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Submarine attack near Koepang at 68,116

Japanese Ships
xAK Hino Maru #3, Torpedo hits 1

Allied Ships
SS S-35



xAK Hino Maru #3 is sighted by SS S-35
SS S-35 launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Hino Maru #3


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Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 5



No Japanese losses



Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 6000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 23
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 15



No Japanese losses



Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

no idea why Tarakan is bombed, nothing else there than two PBY...

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Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 118 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 23
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 24



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 4 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 5 damaged



Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 16

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on Singapore Fortress, at 50,84 (Singapore)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B4Y1 Jean x 16
B5N1 Kate x 17



Japanese aircraft losses
B5N1 Kate: 4 damaged


Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
17 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
16 x B4Y1 Jean bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on Singapore Fortress, at 50,84 (Singapore)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 38
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 15



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 12 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 8 damaged


Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
15 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
15 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking Singapore Base Force ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking Singapore Base Force ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking Singapore Base Force ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking Singapore Base Force ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...


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Afternoon Air attack on Singapore Fortress, at 50,84 (Singapore)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N1 Kate x 2



Japanese aircraft losses
B5N1 Kate: 2 damaged



Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 117 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 30
Ki-36 Ida x 11
Ki-51 Sonia x 12



No Japanese losses



Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
30 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
12 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb
11 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 30 kg GP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on Singapore Fortress, at 50,84 (Singapore)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B4Y1 Jean x 2



No Japanese losses



Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B4Y1 Jean bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Darwin at 76,124

Weather in hex: Light cloud





Raid detected at 96 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
B5N2 Kate x 27



Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 26


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CL Glasgow, Bomb hits 1
CA Exeter, Bomb hits 5, on fire

damn it, the enemy moves a carrier TF into position 300 miles North of Darwin and launches a strike against my cruiser SAG sitting at Darwin... I didn't spot the carrier(s) and the 50 P-40E at Darwin were far from enough to keep most of the Kates from bombing my cruisers... one bomb hitting Exeter bounced off her belt but the rest penetrated the deck armor... Exeter is in horrible state and burning, we try to save her but the odds are bad... with a Cap setting of 80% we manage to get a whopping 26 fighters for Cap... bluebook stated "nice trap" but in fact it wasn't as I didn't spot his carrier(s) and if I would my cruisers would have run... the strike came from CV Shokaku, no other carrier was identified and I wonder if bluebook completely split up KB... weather unforutnately wasn't bad so that didn't help us...


Aircraft Attacking:
24 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 5000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
17th PS (P) with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
20th PS (P) with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 3000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers


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Amphibious Assault at Kolaka (68,105)

TF 258 troops unloading over beach at Kolaka, 68,105





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Ground combat at Subic Bay (78,76)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 14155 troops, 127 guns, 83 vehicles, Assault Value = 532

Defending force 360 troops, 22 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 242

Allied adjusted defense: 5

Japanese assault odds: 48 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Subic Bay !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
518 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 36 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 23 (23 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1


Assaulting units:
20th Ind. Engineer Regiment
19th Ind. Engineer Regiment
20th Division
16th Recon Regiment

Defending units:
Subic Bay Defenses


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Ground combat at Singapore (50,84)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 78344 troops, 888 guns, 295 vehicles, Assault Value = 1981

Defending force 43354 troops, 468 guns, 296 vehicles, Assault Value = 409

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 1038

Allied adjusted defense: 687

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3404 casualties reported
Squads: 41 destroyed, 140 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 51 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 73 disabled
Guns lost 44 (6 destroyed, 38 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
2879 casualties reported
Squads: 180 destroyed, 34 disabled
Non Combat: 18 destroyed, 162 disabled
Engineers: 15 destroyed, 15 disabled
Guns lost 38 (19 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Vehicles lost 22 (1 destroyed, 21 disabled)

it must be becoming really frustrating for the enemy and going with bluebook's comment he really isn't amused about the Allied resistance at Singergrad... I am... but it doesn't look really good anymore and our units get really trashed now while we aren't able to inflict as many KIA on the enemy as earlier anymore... but still we hold...

Assaulting units:
56th Infantry Regiment
42nd Infantry Regiment
114th Infantry Regiment
23rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
148th Infantry Regiment
55th Infantry Regiment
12th Engineer Regiment
21st Division
5th Recon Regiment
II./4th Infantry Battalion
15th Ind. Engineer Regiment
Imperial Guards Division
5th Engineer Regiment
4th Ind. Engineer Regiment
2nd Engineer Regiment
113th Infantry Regiment
41st Infantry Regiment
11th Infantry Regiment
21st Infantry Regiment
2nd Recon Regiment
56th Engineer Regiment
16th Infantry Regiment
33rd Division
24th Infantry Regiment
3rd Mortar Battalion
5th Mortar Battalion
1st RF Gun Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
25th Army
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Field Artillery Regiment
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
18th Mountain Gun Regiment
56th Field Artillery Regiment
84th JAAF AF Bn
1st Raiding Rgt /2

Defending units:
22nd Australian Brigade
11th Indian Division
2nd Loyal Battalion
SSVF Brigade
1st Malay Battalion
27th Australian Brigade
9th Indian Division
24th NZ Pioneer Coy
3rd Heavy AA Regiment
224 Group RAF
109th RAF Base Force
1st HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
III Indian Corps
112th RAF Base Force
1st ISF Base Force
3rd HK&S Light AA Regiment
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Malay Battalion
Malayan Air Wing
2nd ISF Base Force
110th RAF Base Force
Singapore Fortress
Malaya Army
1st Manchester Battalion
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
AHQ Far East
FMSV Brigade
111th RAF Base Force
1st Indian Heavy AA Regiment
223 Group RAF
Singapore Base Force
2nd Gordons Battalion
1st Hyderabad Battalion
109th RN Base Force


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Ground combat at Rangoon (54,53)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3804 troops, 60 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 128

Defending force 1943 troops, 16 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 96



Assaulting units:
112th Infantry Regiment
55th Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
4th Burma Rifles Battalion
Rangoon BAF Battalion
1st Gloucestershire Battalion
6th Burma Rifles Battalion


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Ground combat at Tjepoe (54,103)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3406 troops, 25 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 123

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 56

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 56 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Tjepoe !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(-)



Assaulting units:
143rd Infantry Regiment


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Ground combat at Sidate (75,100)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1171 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 32

Defending force 1068 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 22

Japanese adjusted assault: 7

Allied adjusted defense: 7

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)


Allied ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Assaulting units:
Sasebo 1st SNLF

Defending units:
Manado Garrison Battalion
Manado Base Force


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Ground combat at 51,103 (near Tjilatjap)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3278 troops, 38 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 119

Defending force 1062 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 37

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 37 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:


Allied ground losses:
259 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 33 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Assaulting units:
Sasebo 3rd SNLF
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF

Defending units:
Tjilitap Base Force


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Ground combat at 52,63 (near Mergui)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2256 troops, 14 guns, 10 vehicles, Assault Value = 63

Defending force 84 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 30

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 30 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), leaders(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)


Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 1


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
RTA Cavalry Division

Defending units:
108th/2 Base Force /1






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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 3/2/2012 10:14:42 AM   
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I will give it a try. But are you playing an email opponent or the AI? This can make a difference.



Oh, it's against a human. Not a very experienced human though. But... I see submarines engaging ASW forces all the time, including super Es, with millions of 1 x 12 depth charge attacks. So there are clearly hunter-killers working in areas with subs.

I did actually retire the Brit sub force due to heavy losses and then after a little while came back with them organised into pairs, and they did much better.

The AAR is up, but as I'm lazy its mostly just combat reports with a bit of explanation, you can see the subs in action though.

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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 3/2/2012 10:21:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		The elite Zeroes on escorts did what escorts usually do, not that good... We also bag a couple of Kates but in the end the enemy gets a heavy cruiser for a dozen aircraft...




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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 3/2/2012 10:24:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Exeter is in horrible state, even though she didn't suffer a lot of major flt, I have no hope of saving her... even if she survives the next days and won't sink in port, she will sooner or later finished off by inevitable airstrikes out of Timor... I can't move her, she would go down in a day...




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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 3/2/2012 10:26:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		as mentioned before, the enemy is planning to take the whole South Pacific... the only Allied garisson left is Tahiti and the base obviously is about to be invaded next turn...




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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 3/2/2012 10:35:35 AM   
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Sub attack near Koepang at 68,116

Japanese Ships
xAK Hino Maru #3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS KXII



SS KXII launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Hino Maru #3

we get another freighter around Timor and it sums up... seems like a lot of troops and supply is going to Timor and with CV Shokaku being spotted (probably not alone) I am awaiting invasion of Northern Australia as I doubt bluebook is already in the process of consolidating his conquests, he sure hasn't finished his expansion plans... I guess he won't stop his expansion if I am not the one who stops him...


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Pre-Invasion action off Tahiti (173,178)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

25 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
PB Toko Maru #4
PB Suyozai Maru
xAK Mito Maru

Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



PB Toko Maru #4 fired at enemy troops
PB Suyozai Maru fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 6,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards


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Amphibious Assault at Tahiti (173,178)

TF 32 troops unloading over beach at Tahiti, 173,178

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



17 troops of a SNLF Squad lost overboard during unload of 51st Nav Gd

the convoy spotted yesterday unloads at Tahiti as expected... pretty disappointed by the performance of our PBY squadron there, they only spotted the convoy yesterday... not that I had anything in the area to intervene but I am alerted again not to rely too much on my search squadrons...

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ASW attack near Koepang at 68,116

Japanese Ships
DD Asagao
DD Fuyo

Allied Ships
SS KXII, hits 2



SS KXII launches 2 torpedoes at DD Asagao
DD Fuyo attacking submerged sub ....
DD Fuyo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Fuyo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Fuyo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Fuyo fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 18
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 14



No Japanese losses



Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 9

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 115 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 5
Ki-30 Ann x 30
Ki-36 Ida x 11
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 18
Ki-51 Sonia x 12



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 1 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 3 damaged



Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 16

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
30 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
12 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb
11 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 30 kg GP Bomb
5 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 106 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 18
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 5



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 4 damaged


Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 4



No Japanese losses



Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 6000 feet



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Afternoon Air attack on Singapore Fortress, at 50,84 (Singapore)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 13
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 12



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 4 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 3 damaged


Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
13 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Ground combat at Singapore (50,84)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 77071 troops, 893 guns, 295 vehicles, Assault Value = 1813

Defending force 41380 troops, 451 guns, 294 vehicles, Assault Value = 358

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 608

Allied adjusted defense: 985

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2346 casualties reported
Squads: 18 destroyed, 115 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 54 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 30 disabled
Guns lost 32 (3 destroyed, 29 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
2066 casualties reported
Squads: 118 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 28 destroyed, 192 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 55 (10 destroyed, 45 disabled)
Vehicles lost 16 (2 destroyed, 14 disabled)

back to back attack of the Japanese and while they knock down the last fort level and kill a lot of our troops, they only get a 1:2 and I'm sure this means another delay... enemy disablements have so far recovered fast due to probably dispersed on all those units so those don't really count a lot and we just don't have enough strenght anymore to kill them...


Assaulting units:
21st Infantry Regiment
II./4th Infantry Battalion
113th Infantry Regiment
12th Engineer Regiment
33rd Division
21st Division
114th Infantry Regiment
4th Ind. Engineer Regiment
56th Infantry Regiment
55th Infantry Regiment
11th Infantry Regiment
5th Recon Regiment
2nd Engineer Regiment
42nd Infantry Regiment
Imperial Guards Division
16th Infantry Regiment
56th Engineer Regiment
2nd Recon Regiment
148th Infantry Regiment
41st Infantry Regiment
5th Engineer Regiment
23rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
24th Infantry Regiment
56th Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind. Engineer Regiment
2nd Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
84th JAAF AF Bn
3rd Mortar Battalion
25th Army
5th Mortar Battalion
18th Mountain Gun Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st RF Gun Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Raiding Rgt /2

Defending units:
11th Indian Division
22nd Australian Brigade
27th Australian Brigade
SSVF Brigade
9th Indian Division
AHQ Far East
Singapore Fortress
1st Malay Battalion
224 Group RAF
1st Indian Heavy AA Regiment
2nd Malay Battalion
1st ISF Base Force
III Indian Corps
1st HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
2nd Gordons Battalion
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
223 Group RAF
1st Manchester Battalion
111th RAF Base Force
Singapore Base Force
2nd Loyal Battalion
Malaya Army
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
3rd HK&S Light AA Regiment
Malayan Air Wing
2nd ISF Base Force
1st Hyderabad Battalion
24th NZ Pioneer Coy
112th RAF Base Force
FMSV Brigade
3rd Heavy AA Regiment
110th RAF Base Force
109th RAF Base Force
109th RN Base Force


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Ground combat at Rangoon (54,53)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3804 troops, 60 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 128

Defending force 1949 troops, 16 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 96

Japanese adjusted assault: 55

Allied adjusted defense: 39

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
182 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
111 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Assaulting units:
112th Infantry Regiment
55th Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
1st Gloucestershire Battalion
4th Burma Rifles Battalion
Rangoon BAF Battalion
6th Burma Rifles Battalion


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Ground combat at Ua Pou (191,168)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 673 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 29

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 5

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Ua Pou !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(-), supply(-)



Assaulting units:
52nd Naval Guard Unit


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Ground combat at Sidate (75,100)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1171 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 32

Defending force 1050 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 21

Japanese adjusted assault: 13

Allied adjusted defense: 7

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Assaulting units:
Sasebo 1st SNLF

Defending units:
Manado Garrison Battalion
Manado Base Force


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Ground combat at 51,103 (near Tjilatjap)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3284 troops, 38 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 119

Defending force 906 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 74

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 74 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), leaders(-), disruption(-)
fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:


Allied ground losses:
1159 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 151 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1


Assaulting units:
Sasebo 3rd SNLF
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF

Defending units:
Tjilitap Base Force


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Ground combat at Kolaka (68,105)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 217 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 4

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Kolaka !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: supply(-)



Assaulting units:
III/81st Naval Guard Unit




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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 3/2/2012 10:45:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: castor troy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker

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Raised the issue with totally undamaged subs breaking off surface engagements in the tech forum, reason for the behaviour seems to be a die roll that looks at the agressiveness of the sub skipper + damage of the sub... and the routine seems to use values that are IMO a bit off as no matter how agressive (or not) a skipper is, a sub should NOT break off it's surface engagement when there is no damage at all... that's my opinion but my opinion won't change things, so we have to continue with something that has no realistic evidence at all I guess, have never heard about sub skippers fleeing from unescorted freighters while staying on patrol when their sub is in PERFECT shape...

If you consider that one lucky hit may render the sub unable to dive, that makes some sense to me.



really? Wonder why most attacks were driven home on the surface in real life then. A lucky hit can sink a BB, wonder why IJN BBs don't run from mine then. A lucky hit can ignite any ships magazines, a lucky hit can do literally everything. But that is no good reason to break off a sub attack when the sub is in perfect combat condition, no sir!

Again, no problem with the 20 sys 20 flt settings to break off attacks (at such a damage I wouldn't have my subs patrolling anyway) but a sub with 2 sys damage and nothing else breaking off attacks on unescorted freighters because the skipper is one of the 75% of all USN sub commanders that haven't got suicidal agression ratings is just off, isn't plausible and sure hasn't got any historical, real life evidence. It's a nice feature but hitting the right value was a miss in this case.



I must admit, I have no idea how the penetration of a 4 or 5in gun is. But it makes a huge difference whether you need an extremely lucky hit in a ship's magazine, or a random hit somewhere in the hull.
Also, the main purpose of a sub is submerge. So one hit may end this role-defining ability.
When I played Silent Hunter, I always attacked unescorted ships surfaced. But even dispite being destroyed only forces me to reload and not to die behind my computer, I submerge when the enemy shells crawl closer...

Still, that's only an interpretation that might help to live with the code, to explain it. Whether this really is borked or whether my understanding was the idea - I can't tell.

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RE: Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor tro... - 3/2/2012 10:51:09 AM   
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Sub attack near Newcastle at 94,165

Japanese Ships
SS I-16, hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Voyager

missed...

SS I-16 launches 2 torpedoes at DD Voyager
I-16 diving deep ....
DD Voyager fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Voyager fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Voyager fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Voyager attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-16 eludes DD Voyager by diving deep
DD Voyager fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Sub attack near Newcastle at 94,165

Japanese Ships
SS I-16

Allied Ships
DD Voyager

missed...


SS I-16 launches 2 torpedoes at DD Voyager
DD Voyager attacking submerged sub ....
DD Voyager fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Voyager fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Voyager fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Voyager fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Sub attack near Newcastle at 94,165

Japanese Ships
SS I-16

Allied Ships
DD Voyager

lol, wth... third attack... missed... must be a 99 agression IJN skipper... mine flee from enemy xAKL...


SS I-16 launches 2 torpedoes at DD Voyager
I-16 diving deep ....
DD Voyager fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Voyager fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Voyager attacking submerged sub ....
DD Voyager cannot reach attack position over SS I-16
DD Voyager cannot reach attack position over SS I-16
DD Voyager fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Voyager fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Amphibious Assault at Donggala (68,99)

TF 202 troops unloading over beach at Donggala, 68,99





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Pre-Invasion action off Tahiti (173,178)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

22 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
xAK Ginyo Maru
xAK Kinjosan Maru
xAK Kureha Maru #3
DD Yakaze

Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



xAK Ginyo Maru firing at Tahiti Detachment
xAK Ginyo Maru fired at enemy troops
xAK Kinjosan Maru fired at enemy troops
xAK Kureha Maru #3 fired at enemy troops
xAK Ginyo Maru fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 6,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards


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Amphibious Assault at Tahiti (173,178)

TF 336 troops unloading over beach at Tahiti, 173,178

Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 4th/A Div /2
12 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 4th/A Div /4


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Sub attack near Newcastle at 94,166

Japanese Ships
SS I-24

Allied Ships
DD Voyager

Voyager must be the most dangerous ship to serve... there are several enemy subs operating just off Sydney it seems...

SS I-24 launches 2 torpedoes at DD Voyager
I-24 diving deep ....
DD Voyager fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Voyager fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Voyager fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Voyager fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Voyager fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Sub attack near Newcastle at 93,167

Japanese Ships
SS I-18

Allied Ships
DD Voyager

third sub attacking the single DD... 14 torps fired, non hit so far...

SS I-18 launches 6 torpedoes at DD Voyager

DD Voyager attacking submerged sub ....
DD Voyager is out of ASW ammo
DD Voyager is out of ASW ammo
DD Voyager fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Voyager fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Voyager fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Voyager attacking submerged sub ....
DD Voyager is out of ASW ammo
DD Voyager is out of ASW ammo
Escort abandons search for sub


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Sub attack near Newcastle at 93,167

Japanese Ships
SS I-18

Allied Ships
DD Voyager

also I-18 got a skipper we can only dream of... but escorts are nearly invincible nowadays while they were sunk in the dozens after release... takes probably one and a halve dozen attacks to hit a DD... I am amazed that there are so many enemy subs operating in this area, as amazed as I am about the inability of my search aircraft to detect those subs as none of them was spotted by air search earlier... I obviously need better pilots but they aren't available yet...


SS I-18 launches 2 torpedoes at DD Voyager
Escort abandons search for sub


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ASW attack near Newcastle at 93,167

Japanese Ships
SS I-24

lol...

SS I-24 is sighted by escort
I-24 diving deep ....
Sub escapes detection


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Sub attack near Newcastle at 92,167

Japanese Ships
SS I-24

Allied Ships
DD Voyager

can you believe this? it really happened in my replay... sometimes I really think my campaigns are rather extreme...

SS I-24 launches 4 torpedoes at DD Voyager
I-24 diving deep ....
Sub escapes detection


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Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 13



No Japanese losses



Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 6000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 17
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 13



No Japanese losses



Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 108 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 23
Ki-36 Ida x 11
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 24



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 5 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 6 damaged



Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 12

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
11 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 30 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 99 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 29
Ki-51 Sonia x 12



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 1 destroyed by flak



Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
12 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Buna at 99,129

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-26 Marauder x 25


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Tatukami Maru
CL Yubari, Bomb hits 1
xAK Keiyo Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAK Kotoku Maru
xAK Anyo Maru
xAK Kosei Maru, Bomb hits 1
xAK Kazuura Maru

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

enemy invasion convoy was spotted heading West after leaving Rabaul and we transferred two dozen Marauders into the area but the weather wasn't good enough to really score some damage... with bomb effect halved in babes you can imagine what damage we did, same as scoring 4x250lb bomb hits, doubt that any ship is in trouble of sinking...


Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 3 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
10 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 3 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
9 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 3 x 500 lb SAP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on Singapore Fortress, at 50,84 (Singapore)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 25
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 12



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 5 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 6 damaged


Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
12 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
13 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 9th Indian Division ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 9th Indian Division ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 9th Indian Division ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 9th Indian Division ...


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Amphibious Assault at Buna (99,129)

TF 235 troops unloading over beach at Buna, 99,129

Japanese ground losses:
84 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 38th/B Div
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 38th/B Div
12 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 38th/B Div /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 38th/B Div /3
12 Engineers accidentally lost during unload of 38th/B Div /3


wow, 38th Div isn't combined before being brought into the region and we have had intel about that div prepping for Port Moresby so this is quite surprising...

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Amphibious Assault at Palopo (67,103)

TF 258 troops unloading over beach at Palopo, 67,103





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Ground combat at Singapore (50,84)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2736 troops, 268 guns, 56 vehicles, Assault Value = 1768

Defending force 39816 troops, 443 guns, 292 vehicles, Assault Value = 332


Allied ground losses:
110 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

the enemy started the assault on Singergrad with roughly 3100 av...

Assaulting units:
23rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
33rd Division
5th Recon Regiment
113th Infantry Regiment
16th Infantry Regiment
21st Division
5th Engineer Regiment
41st Infantry Regiment
42nd Infantry Regiment
21st Infantry Regiment
2nd Engineer Regiment
56th Infantry Regiment
114th Infantry Regiment
4th Ind. Engineer Regiment
II./4th Infantry Battalion
55th Infantry Regiment
Imperial Guards Division
12th Engineer Regiment
148th Infantry Regiment
2nd Recon Regiment
15th Ind. Engineer Regiment
56th Engineer Regiment
11th Infantry Regiment
24th Infantry Regiment
84th JAAF AF Bn
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
5th Mortar Battalion
3rd Mortar Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
25th Army
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
56th Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Field Artillery Regiment
1st RF Gun Battalion
18th Mountain Gun Regiment
1st Raiding Rgt /2

Defending units:
11th Indian Division
SSVF Brigade
27th Australian Brigade
9th Indian Division
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
224 Group RAF
Singapore Base Force
2nd Malay Battalion
1st HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
109th RAF Base Force
1st Indian Heavy AA Regiment
2nd ISF Base Force
Malayan Air Wing
FMSV Brigade
1st Manchester Battalion
3rd HK&S Light AA Regiment
1st ISF Base Force
223 Group RAF
112th RAF Base Force
III Indian Corps
3rd Heavy AA Regiment
Malaya Army
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
Singapore Fortress
2nd Gordons Battalion
AHQ Far East
22nd Australian Brigade
111th RAF Base Force
110th RAF Base Force
2nd Loyal Battalion
24th NZ Pioneer Coy
1st Malay Battalion
1st Hyderabad Battalion
109th RN Base Force


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Ground combat at Rangoon (54,53)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3648 troops, 60 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 112

Defending force 1876 troops, 16 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 86

Japanese adjusted assault: 93

Allied adjusted defense: 27

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Rangoon !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
205 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
1284 casualties reported
Squads: 46 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 28 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3
Units destroyed 1

unfortunately those Battalions fail to repell the enemy, they perform worse than expected... should have built the forts up to three but forgot about it as I planned to move all troops except those btn out...

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
112th Infantry Regiment
55th Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
4th Burma Rifles Battalion
Rangoon BAF Battalion
1st Gloucestershire Battalion
6th Burma Rifles Battalion


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Ground combat at Tahiti (173,178)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 1502 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 70

Defending force 3450 troops, 13 guns, 78 vehicles, Assault Value = 73

Japanese adjusted assault: 2

Allied adjusted defense: 535

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 267 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
279 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 35 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

lol, now that was really overconfident I guess... but the enemy doesn't pay for it...

Assaulting units:
51st Naval Guard Unit
4th/A Div /1

Defending units:
19th Combat Engineer Regiment
Tahiti Detachment
47th Construction Regiment
A Det USN Port Svc


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Ground combat at Sidate (75,100)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1171 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 32

Defending force 1014 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 17

Japanese adjusted assault: 26

Allied adjusted defense: 7

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Sidate !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:


Allied ground losses:
1358 casualties reported
Squads: 50 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 99 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 2


Assaulting units:
Sasebo 1st SNLF

Defending units:
Manado Garrison Battalion
Manado Base Force



it proved impossible to put out the fires on Exeter while sitting in Darwin's port, fires went up and sys dam is at near maximum... I decided to scuttle the heavy cruiser which is the first CA to be lost during the war...




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Raised the issue with totally undamaged subs breaking off surface engagements in the tech forum, reason for the behaviour seems to be a die roll that looks at the agressiveness of the sub skipper + damage of the sub... and the routine seems to use values that are IMO a bit off as no matter how agressive (or not) a skipper is, a sub should NOT break off it's surface engagement when there is no damage at all... that's my opinion but my opinion won't change things, so we have to continue with something that has no realistic evidence at all I guess, have never heard about sub skippers fleeing from unescorted freighters while staying on patrol when their sub is in PERFECT shape...

If you consider that one lucky hit may render the sub unable to dive, that makes some sense to me.



really? Wonder why most attacks were driven home on the surface in real life then. A lucky hit can sink a BB, wonder why IJN BBs don't run from mine then. A lucky hit can ignite any ships magazines, a lucky hit can do literally everything. But that is no good reason to break off a sub attack when the sub is in perfect combat condition, no sir!

Again, no problem with the 20 sys 20 flt settings to break off attacks (at such a damage I wouldn't have my subs patrolling anyway) but a sub with 2 sys damage and nothing else breaking off attacks on unescorted freighters because the skipper is one of the 75% of all USN sub commanders that haven't got suicidal agression ratings is just off, isn't plausible and sure hasn't got any historical, real life evidence. It's a nice feature but hitting the right value was a miss in this case.



I must admit, I have no idea how the penetration of a 4 or 5in gun is. But it makes a huge difference whether you need an extremely lucky hit in a ship's magazine, or a random hit somewhere in the hull.
Also, the main purpose of a sub is submerge. So one hit may end this role-defining ability.
When I played Silent Hunter, I always attacked unescorted ships surfaced. But even dispite being destroyed only forces me to reload and not to die behind my computer, I submerge when the enemy shells crawl closer...

Still, that's only an interpretation that might help to live with the code, to explain it. Whether this really is borked or whether my understanding was the idea - I can't tell.



yes, no doubt that shell hits would ruin a sub's day but don't get me wrong, this is no explanation at all that an undamaged sub breaks off the attack on unescorted freighters... now and then, oh well, if this happens due to some strange reason a couple of times during the whole war, oh my... but it seems I am on the extreme ending of things again, as you can see, it just happens too often... probably because my enemy hasn't got enough escorts but HEY, this should prove a problem to him and not to the attacking subs!

Most sub attacks were driven home during the night ON THE SURFACE! There are no surface attacks in the game as soon as a single escorts covers a 100 ship TF, oh well, code limitation... but when you see UNDAMAGED, saying it again, UNDAMAGED, subs fleeing from unescorted xAKL because some kind of die roll decides the skipper would be so cowardly (75% of the most experienced USN skippers) then I dare to say: THERE IS SOMETHING NOT CORRECT!

As to Silent Hunter, well that is an UBI Soft action game and I can only hope NOTHING of such a game will ever be the evidence for anything in WITP AE.

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You should be old enough to remember Silent Service?

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You should be old enough to remember Silent Service?



yeah, guess I do

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Status: offline 		I remembered when I tried to get in front of a IJN Battlegroup once. Surfaced, of course. The SCTF included two "Super-Battleships", aka Yamatos.
Then suddenly, I was destroyed without any damage before. I guess my little sub made contact with a 46cm shell ;-)

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I remembered when I tried to get in front of a IJN Battlegroup once. Surfaced, of course. The SCTF included two "Super-Battleships", aka Yamatos.
Then suddenly, I was destroyed without any damage before. I guess my little sub made contact with a 46cm shell ;-)



that's a loooong time ago... shocking enough I have been playing WITP and AE for 7,5 years already! With a break of two or three months, non stop PBEM.

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Too sad there's no such game for Europe. If I had the time, I might consider restarting my WitW-Mod.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 30, 42
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Midget Sub attack inside harbor of Sydney!!!

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-8

Allied Ships
CL Danae, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage


now it's obvious why there were so many enemy subs in the area, they delivered a load of midgets and one of the buggers manages to hit CL Danae in Sydney's drydock...




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Amphibious Assault at Namlea (76,108)

TF 13 troops unloading over beach at Namlea, 76,108





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Sub attack near Canberra at 88,172

Japanese Ships
SS I-16

Allied Ships
CM Krakatau, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
PC Warrego

one of the subs that attacked DD Voyager is now heading West, guess there will also be a midget sub attack at Melbourne...


SS I-16 launches 4 torpedoes at CM Krakatau
PC Warrego fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC Warrego fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC Warrego fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC Warrego fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC Warrego fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Morning Air attack on Singapore Fortress, at 50,84 (Singapore)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N1 Kate x 5
G3M2 Nell x 36
G4M1 Betty x 36



Japanese aircraft losses
B5N1 Kate: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
63 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
36 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
36 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
2 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 2



No Japanese losses



Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 6000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Singapore Base Force, at 50,84 (Singapore)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N1 Kate x 53
G3M2 Nell x 9



Japanese aircraft losses
B5N1 Kate: 2 damaged
G3M2 Nell: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
9 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
36 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
17 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking Singapore Base Force ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking Singapore Base Force ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...


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Morning Air attack on 9th Indian Division, at 50,84 (Singapore)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 81
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 27



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 26 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 10 damaged


Allied ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
19 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
9 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
21 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking Malaya Army ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 11th Indian Division ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 9th Indian Division ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 9th Indian Division ...
Also attacking Malaya Army ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 11th Indian Division ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 9th Indian Division ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 9th Indian Division ...

the enemy is using a hell a lot of bombers against Singergrad now...

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Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 118 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 28
Ki-36 Ida x 11
Ki-51 Sonia x 12



No Japanese losses



Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 9

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
12 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb
11 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 30 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Malang , at 55,105

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 40,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44 Tojo x 8

first Tojos in action...

No Japanese losses



Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-44 Tojo sweeping at 35500 feet



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Morning Air attack on Singapore Fortress, at 50,84 (Singapore)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 12



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 6 damaged



Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 12



No Japanese losses



Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 6000 feet



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Afternoon Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 113 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 18
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 15



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 6 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 5 damaged



Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
18 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 101 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 6



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 1 damaged



Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb



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Amphibious Assault at Raiatea (171,175)

TF 32 troops unloading over beach at Raiatea, 171,175

Japanese ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

I don't even know all those bases and dots he invades in the South Pacific...

10 troops of a SNLF HMG Section lost in surf during unload of 51st Nav Gd
17 troops of a SNLF Squad accidentally lost during unload of 51st Nav Gd


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Amphibious Assault at Tubuai (168,187)

TF 124 troops unloading over beach at Tubuai, 168,187





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Amphibious Assault at Raoul Island (128,177)

TF 237 troops unloading over beach at Raoul Island, 128,177

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



17 troops of a SNLF Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 2nd Indpt SNLF Coy
17 troops of a SNLF Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 2nd Indpt SNLF Coy


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Ground combat at Singapore (50,84)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 76621 troops, 904 guns, 297 vehicles, Assault Value = 1885

Defending force 39948 troops, 443 guns, 291 vehicles, Assault Value = 335

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 432

Allied adjusted defense: 615

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2106 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 165 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 74 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 82 disabled
Guns lost 23 (8 destroyed, 15 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
875 casualties reported
Squads: 67 destroyed, 18 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 49 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Guns lost 33 (2 destroyed, 31 disabled)

lol, stubborn little enemy... Singergrad defenders repell another IJ attack! the enemy isn't amused...

Assaulting units:
113th Infantry Regiment
148th Infantry Regiment
21st Division
23rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
4th Ind. Engineer Regiment
114th Infantry Regiment
5th Engineer Regiment
21st Infantry Regiment
41st Infantry Regiment
56th Engineer Regiment
16th Infantry Regiment
55th Infantry Regiment
15th Ind. Engineer Regiment
2nd Engineer Regiment
33rd Division
11th Infantry Regiment
2nd Recon Regiment
12th Engineer Regiment
56th Infantry Regiment
42nd Infantry Regiment
Imperial Guards Division
5th Recon Regiment
II./4th Infantry Battalion
24th Infantry Regiment
2nd Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Mortar Battalion
1st RF Gun Battalion
84th JAAF AF Bn
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
18th Mountain Gun Regiment
5th Mortar Battalion
25th Army
56th Field Artillery Regiment
1st Raiding Rgt /2

Defending units:
27th Australian Brigade
SSVF Brigade
11th Indian Division
9th Indian Division
Singapore Base Force
3rd Heavy AA Regiment
1st ISF Base Force
1st Hyderabad Battalion
3rd HK&S Light AA Regiment
224 Group RAF
III Indian Corps
1st Indian Heavy AA Regiment
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
Malayan Air Wing
1st Manchester Battalion
1st Malay Battalion
22nd Australian Brigade
Singapore Fortress
111th RAF Base Force
2nd Malay Battalion
112th RAF Base Force
2nd ISF Base Force
110th RAF Base Force
24th NZ Pioneer Coy
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
109th RAF Base Force
223 Group RAF
AHQ Far East
2nd Gordons Battalion
2nd Loyal Battalion
FMSV Brigade
1st HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
Malaya Army
109th RN Base Force


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Ground combat at Donggala (68,99)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 435 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 15

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 5

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Donggala !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: supply(-)



Assaulting units:
III/66th Naval Guard Unit


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Ground combat at Palopo (67,103)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 222 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 12

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 12

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 12 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Palopo !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker:



Assaulting units:
III/81st Naval Guard Unit



intel:

1/1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment is loaded on xAK Kotoku Maru moving to Rabaul.



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Also I see he's still ground bombing at Singapore - bad idea.

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