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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 5:48:24 AM

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You want to go A320-200 in O1......ditch the 737-300 completely. Range on A320-200 is 2600.............heck you have them in R5 to compare. LOL

Or you talking about the A319-100LR in R5?

It uses the same base maint as the A320-200, fuel is 13,000 with 4300 mile range, 500 mph speed, carries 150 pax max.

Base maint on A320-200 is 2.4 mil but planes are slightly cheaper per month than 737-300. Longer range, fuel about the same, but carries more pax. My basic A320-200 config is 14C/135Y for regional use 1500 miles or less and 4F/10C/120Y for 1500-2600 range.

In R5 I have compared the 737 series to the A320-200 a bunch and the A320-200 appears to beat them hands down. It even gives the late 737 series a run for their money.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 6:22:04 AM

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Here is maint comp of those 2 planes.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 6:25:47 AM

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Best thing is the A320-200 is built until game end, so once you have them, you never have to do a mass upgrade swap over, just replace them as newer come online. No double base maint cost as you swap over, unlike the 737 series, they are different families so you have a dual base maint as you swap over.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 6:29:55 AM

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I see in the airline news tab that you built/expanded your terminal in FCO 3 times.

I also noted that Orbit just built a terminal in FCO.

Wonder if he is "stalking" you. Perhaps he finds it easier to simply poach someone else's routes then to actively search for himself.

Watch your back and check your FCO routes to see if he has dropped in on them.

The FCO terminalo was a response to him opening a terminal in LTN and trying to grab some of my routes out of there. If he can do that to me, then I'm not afraid to try the same. My FCO routes are all ones where I've dropped in on him.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 6:50:27 AM

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Thanks for the info.

Have gone ahead now and ordered Airbus A320-200s for both my airlines.

Will keep my fingers crossed the added base maintenance doesn't toss me in the red after end of month.

Got both my delivered planes placed.

Airline 7B (Brazil) DoP now = $414,068.

Airline Siebenburgen (Japan) DoP = $360,310.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 6:54:25 AM

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It will be a close thing for me, but that is to be expected actually. This is the first time I did not go into the red at start up. LOL

But yes, the A320-200 is a super plane. Once I saw how good it was and that it continues production until game end, I was sold. There is no end production date, so I guess it will be around until 2030. What I am going thru in O2 made that the ultimate sale point for me.

It will be awhile before I can afford to ditch the 737-300 I have. So I am just crossing my fingers too.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 7:14:46 AM

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Yup A320's are brilliant. They're my mainstay in R5 and will be until the end. I'll replace all my 737's when they come t the their end of life with A320's as well.

In general I prefer the Airbus variants - A330/A340's etc more than the Boeing counterparts - 747/767/777. Having said that it's a tough choice on some of the newer variants - 767-300 for example as it has good maintenance as well.

At present the only boeing plane I plan to keep running longer term is for the 2600-3800 mile gap = 757-200/757-300's.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 7:24:07 AM

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Correction - meant to also add the 777-300 is a pretty good looking plane as only has 3.5% depreciation, good Pax load and range. Argh! Choices

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 7:25:36 AM

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I will be swapping the 757-200 with the A319-100LR..........that is my plan anyway. Has the range to do the job, uses less fuel, carries fewer pax but I will just make more trips which is better for my route rep anyway.

The Airbus seems to make more money than the Boeing overall. In R5, I have over 100 A330-300, they are my mainstay and they beat the 767-300ER at 5400 mile range profit wise. In O2, I do not plan to have any 767-300 versions except what I might pick up off the used market.

The real advantage of Boeing over Airbus is the Boeing generally has smaller runway requirements. It can slide in on smaller runways.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 7:42:14 AM

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Quite true 2nd ACR. Quite true. I also have a 319-100LR on order as well to test it. If it works well then I agree on replacing the 757-200 with it.

Have you looked at 777-300's vs A330-300's?

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 8:48:48 AM

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I prefer the A330-300 over any of the 777 in game. I have my A330-300 set up to 10F/28C/260Y config and a 36C/260Y config to round out routes without having a bunch of empty F class. Gives me great legroom rating and full load at full price is about 300,000 per day per plane.

I heavily favor the A340-200 and -300 over any of the 747 series.

One of the old timers at AE clued me in a while back that the A319-100LR was a super plane. Looks like he closed his account which is a shame because he was one I was heavily cultivating and one of OUR biggest supporters against the "in-crowd". But I have a few others I have been working on over there with route shares, heads up when one of their routes gets clobbered etc.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 9:17:01 AM

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Totally with you on the A340 series. Definitely prefer them to the 747's.

I'm not sure on the 777-300 vs A330's though. The 777 can carry more passengers, has similar depreciation rate, longer range but does require much longer runway.

It's the only Boeing plane I may consider keeping running vs Airbus.

Random questions:

Have we ever had definitive answers as to whether IFE/IFS actually does benefit flights? I get the feeling when competing it does give me a greater passenger share.

It may boost your reputation but that seems meaningless in the grand scheme of things at present (hence same with Marketing).

Winglets - what on earth do they do?

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 9:34:18 AM

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Winglets are god sends......they reduce fuel usage and give you better range. Has to do with the way the air goes across the wings and such.

IFE/IFS gives you a small boost against non users. I play the way it might be in the future when it will really matter. Say when they finally finish AE 4.0.

I do not max config my planes. I actually stay pretty close to www.seatguru.com for most of my configs. Good practice and such.

I have exactly 1 777-300........I did an experiment with it when I first got it, same config as a A340-300 for the range and the A340-300 beat it profit and was much better against competition. The 777 did okay solo, but took a big hit if someone else shows up on the route and starts hammering the prices. Granted I have a good number of 777-200 config with higher fuel costs for the short runway. I use them out of Chicago Midway to Europe routes that I cannot reach with anything else.

Other than a bunch of 757-200, 767-200/ER (that is both) and some 767-300/ER (both) I am all Airbus for transocean except the above 777 fleet..........I use A320-200 and CLJ200LR for most regional flights. I love the CLJ200LR. Just love it.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 9:39:30 AM

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Forgot to add........The CLJ200LR are the ultimate in the realistic worlds in the US. Mainly for Dallas Love. They have great range 1500 miles and a 4500 fuel flow. Small pax load but I can make as much with them as I can props. I make an average of 60,000 per day off each one. And I have a bunch of them.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 10:21:08 AM

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O2 update.........Greenbird is no longer run by AHHC, it now belongs to the same guy running Yellow Bird in R5. It is not listed in AHHC profile anymore so I wonder if he got warned about us or not. I know he has not caused me any problems at all in a long long time.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 11:22:58 AM

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Muhahaha.....Greenbird. I remember him...silly little kid

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 2:09:55 PM

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Liking the CLJ200LR as well

Question is where best to use them - Q400's take up my 0-800 mile routes and then A320's take up 800-2600.......

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 2:22:02 PM

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I tried the Q400 and did not like it, the CRJ200LR is the more flexible plane. I run a 4C/40Y config and that allows me to hit even 50pax routes out to 1500 miles. I have them flying 800pax routes. I got one route that is total full green bars at the bottom that makes me 360,000 per day with them. Granted this is flying from Dallas Love where it is all you can use outside of 4 states. I hope you are not using A320-200 to hit 50 pax routes with a 1 a week flight. You will be surprised how many small airports have that pax count at that range.

I just feel it is way more flexible than the Q400 due to the added 500 mile range. You will be surprised at how many airports have 80 pax or less out to that distance and they will still make money on the route, usually without any competition at all. The CRJ200LR is faster too. Allows more flights in same time frame.

I just feel that they are a better bang for the buck due to the added speed and range for a hair more fuel versus the Q400.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 2:29:07 PM

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I just did a fast search around AYT and you have A340's hitting small pax loads at 1 a week turns. And I counted at least 30 routes at the 75Y and under totally empty from just AYT........There is lots of potential for that plane.

And there are more out of SAW and ADB I saw. You can forget any route flying into Romania though, Chijohn has them sewn up already. Using CRJ200LR too. LOL

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 2:50:04 PM

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A340's? You mean A320's? If so yup I have them flying anything that is 800 miles+. I like the CLJ though so will try to find a way to use it more often

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 2:51:50 PM

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I will often use CRJs up to 1500 miles (and ATRs for up to 660 miles) on any route that is likely to be contested. I throw down 1 daily flight of either, the add 737s or Airbuses to capture the rest of he pax count. It adds to the frequency count and I feel it will give me a slight advantage over the competition.

Granted I will not generally do that at an airport where each gate runs over $250,000 month.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 3:02:10 PM

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I saw at least 1 A340 or A330 and I know I saw a route that had a 767-300ER hitting it. A bunch with A320-200 hitting 5 times a week with about 115 pax capacity. Those were 90pax and below routes too. The 767-300 was flying out of IST by the way......the A340 or A330 was out of AYT.

I am different in my use of them though, but like I said above, I am mainly using them out of Love where I am restricted to 56 pax planes or less. I have them flying all over the US from Love. Got no choice in the matter. But I also have them hitting other places in the US where I do not want to use a larger plane. Like hitting 5-8 different airports doing a once a day.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 3:13:46 PM

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Not right on the A330/A340's. Must have use them when in a war or 2. Will try to find them and re-assign. Obviously I neve plan to use A330/A340 on short routes

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 3:14:23 PM

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Quick list:

AYT-TPS.................A340-200
AYT-EVN................A340-200
AYT-BTS................A340-300
AYT-AJA................767-300ER and A320-200
AYT-BSR................A340-300

Now granted from the pax count I am seeing, you probably were in route fights and tossing anything on the route. I also see lots of 737-400 on small routes, that plane is a pig. I would ditch all those suckers for A320-200 or newer versions of 737. But would use the CRJ200LR on those smaller pax routes. Especially on some of the smaller battle routes you have going, it would allow you to make money at a lower price than what your opponent is using.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 3:16:19 PM

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Those are just a few that I spotted using the 1500 mile range setting and scrolling down till I found 100 pax or less routes.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 3:16:46 PM

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Thanks. Will correct. Yes the only time I use longer range planes is in wars with Turkish upstarts. Will correct.

Don't worry I'm aiming to phase out all my 737's and ultimately most of my Boeing series for Airbus.

With the agreement with DC air going on I need to get another 800-900 planes ready for action over the next week so for now I keep what I have and replace once I've taken on DC Air's routes.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 3:20:38 PM

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Ah. Just checked these. Thank God I'm not going mad

These routes are DC Air routes for now i.e. my Dad. He's giving these over to me in the next week. Once I have control I'll take the routes over with Brit Air and gradually close DC Air down.

Brit Air is me.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 3:22:58 PM

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Oh damn, I get you two confused all the time. LOL

My bad. I would be using the CRJ200LR if it was me instead of the A320-200 or others on less than 100 pax routes but that is me.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 3:26:23 PM

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LOL. I tend to agree now I've looked at the stats and profit margins. I'll use Q400's for now but not buy anymore. Will get CLJ200LR's and gradually replace all routes up to 800 miles and also on the smaller routes up to 1500 miles.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 4/17/2012 7:35:08 PM

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Winglets are god sends......they reduce fuel usage and give you better range. Has to do with the way the air goes across the wings and such.

It stops the airflow across the wing surfaces from falling off the end of the wing. This means less turbulence and smaller vortices and thus less fuel burn. I'll stop being nerdy now