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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/21/2012 10:15:12 PM

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For the first turn opening I'm sending some of AGC panzers south, then on turn 2 I take some of the unfrozen AGS panzers and give them back to AGC. I don't need all those panzers in the center on turn 1.

For the SU reassignements.
I'm thinking about moving the construction batalions from corps level to the armies so that they van help with repairing rail.
You don't need to do a lot of digging in the first few turns anyway.

I don't know if it's a good idea though....

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/21/2012 10:38:53 PM

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I'd say the SU Construction Bn's movement is not worth it from Corps to Army level. For 2 reasons.

1.) The AP's can be spent on better use of assigning combat SU's to other Corps.

2.) The Armies have enough Constructions SU's to fulfil the necessary rail conversion in addition to FBD's.

As a final con (IMO) you then want the Const. Bn's back at Corps level in winter to help digging = more AP use.

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/22/2012 6:02:47 PM

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Turn 4 - Finland.

Finns enter the war and partially surround 3 Divisions and an NKVD Rgt:

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/22/2012 6:24:06 PM

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AGN - Pskov partially encircled. Luga defences still seem empty.....

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/22/2012 7:01:12 PM

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Just a glimpse further south showing the progress of 16th Army and the arrival of 2nd Army (Blue units). 16th Army will progress NE whilst 2nd Army slots into the gap between AGN and AGC:

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/22/2012 9:17:37 PM

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AGS Overview -

Massive pullback by Walloc behind the Dnepr allowing me a lot of freedom of movement. It does preserve the Soviet forces though

This is the standard move now for most Russians in the south, which was 1 of 2 things that could happen down here. Post#13

The up side is you can get to rivers quickly and mybee capture the standard 45ish armament pts.

Now the down side is the river will not be so easy to cross if SHC chooses to fight hard OR if hes smart he will move 12 to 15 divisions up in ffront of Moscow or Leningrad.

You will be able to cross rivers after he done evacing out industry.

You have all your marbles in the Moscow or bust basket for the 41 summer and mybee so does he.

Should be interesting.

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/23/2012 11:08:59 AM

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AGC -

I agree Pelton in that runaway down south offers opportunities for both sides depending on how they react and play. Walloc appears to be railing out Armaments at the expense of other stuff. So far I've taken the Minsk industry and locked in Mogilev's and Kirovograd's HI.

The toughest sector and part of a turn this game I've had so far in AGC. MP's were low (11-18 for each Panzer/Mtr Div). This was mainly due to the distance from active rail and the need to finish off enemy in the rear. As such I had a tough choice to make. I would have liked to storm the Dnepr and create a pocket. I just didn't have the MP's to even remotely attempt anything like that. As such I reinforced the surge into the Landbridge whilst the infantry edged up to the Dnepr. Not happy with the situation here. I hope to have more MP's next turn to either turn south and cut off forces in the Dnepr bend (have kept back XXXXVI Pz Kps west of Mogilev for this opportunity) or if needed continue east to stretch Walloc.

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/23/2012 11:11:48 AM

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AGS -

More open ness and advances cutting of a few minor units. I will probably try to cross at Kremenchug but will adjust according to the situation on the ground.

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/23/2012 11:14:06 AM

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/23/2012 11:18:32 AM

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/23/2012 2:43:26 PM

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The toughest sector and part of a turn this game I've had so far in AGC. MP's were low (11-18 for each Panzer/Mtr Div)

Do you air supply your Pzr/Mot spearheads with fuel at the end of each turn?

Step 5 in the MP calc:

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Determine if fuel (motorized unit) or supplies (non-motorized unit) is sufficient to enable the unit to use the remaining MPs it has. For example, if a motorized unit has only 50 percent of its base MPs remaining after steps 1 through 4, it will only require 50 percent of fuel needed. If fuel on hand is 60 percent of what the unit needs to use its remaining MPs, then it can only move 60 percent of those MPs, rounded down.

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/23/2012 3:14:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: Seminole

quote:

The toughest sector and part of a turn this game I've had so far in AGC. MP's were low (11-18 for each Panzer/Mtr Div)

Do you air supply your Pzr/Mot spearheads with fuel at the end of each turn?

Step 5 in the MP calc:

quote:

Determine if fuel (motorized unit) or supplies (non-motorized unit) is sufficient to enable the unit to use the remaining MPs it has. For example, if a motorized unit has only 50 percent of its base MPs remaining after steps 1 through 4, it will only require 50 percent of fuel needed. If fuel on hand is 60 percent of what the unit needs to use its remaining MPs, then it can only move 60 percent of those MPs, rounded down.

Of course. I'm not a newbie

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/23/2012 3:31:19 PM

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Looks like the Soviet opponenet knows his stuff. So do you. Pelton's and Q-Ball's big emphasis is on getting the infantry moving fast and far. I think your're slow in the north, ok in the center (though I think you need to have more aimed at Smolensk, but i love how you forced the Panzers into the Vitebsk/Smolensk gap) ) and ok in the south.

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/23/2012 3:35:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: HITMAN202

Looks like the Soviet opponenet knows his stuff. So do you. Pelton's and Q-Ball's big emphasis is on getting the infantry moving fast and far. I think your're slow in the north, ok in the center (though I think you need to have more aimed at Smolensk, but i love how you forced the Panzers into the Vitebsk/Smolensk gap) ) and ok in the south.

Hi Hitman,

Interesting analysis. Infantry are they key for opening holes and smashing the SU.

I see the overview differently. I'm happy enough with AGN. At present it seems Walloc is defending far forward with no troops digging in on the Luga and little except immediately around LG = good for me.

AGC - Am not happy here at all. Fuel and supply were stalled due to pocket cleaning and broken rails. It's too static. I need to get my ar*e in gear next week and hope my units have enough MP's.

AGS - I'm ok with progress down here. The key will be when and where I cross the Dnepr.

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/23/2012 3:59:10 PM

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That's exactly why I don't like committing much to AGC early. The Panzers will stall at the Dnepr line, and air drops aren't enough to make up the difference. The problem is that the supply trace up there is through all those Light Woods, which really slows it down. You can't make a ton of progress until 4th and 9th Armies catch-up, and the railhead is closer to the front.

I personally like what JAM did to me: Commit an extra Panzer Corps from Pz Gp 3 in AGN, and shift them south after breaking the Luga line in turn 7 or 8. By then, you should have a railhead close to the Luga, and you can rail those guys to Vitebsk. By then, AGC is in much better shape from a fuel supply standpoint and can make hay.

The extra Panzer Corps from Pz Gp 2 can make the drive on Moscow, after crossing the Dnepr south of the Pripet.

I just think AGN and AGS have the best supply situations early, take advantage of that

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/23/2012 4:42:12 PM

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I humbly submit to youalls (excuse my southern heritage) thoughts on AGC. But in AGN, 6-10 infantry can be across the Daugava on turn two, 7-8 hexes from Pskov on turn 3 (if the Russians screen Pskov on turn 3 it just adds to the causualties without benefits, I believe) and hitting the town hard on turn 4. The AGC stuff has been my MO against the computer to crash Moscow and it is kinda crude (ie. dumb.) Also in AGN its a BIGGGG mistake (in my opinion) to focus any significant effort west of Lake Pskov. It's off no benefit (the Soviets would love to have Leningrad attacked from the west) and every infantry Corp is needed to pound the way open to the Pz XXXX and LI down the Pskov/Leningrad path. But I know that I'm a noobie .

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/23/2012 4:47:12 PM

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Also in AGN its a BIGGGG mistake (in my opinion) to focus any significant effort west of Lake Pskov. It's off no benefit (the Soviets would love to have Leningrad attacked from the west) and every infantry Corp is needed to pound the way open to the Pz XXXX and LI down the Pskov/Leningrad path. But I know that I'm a noobie .

I agree it's a waste of time putting a lot west of Pskov towards Tallinn. I generally send a Corps up there to secure the Ports from rear area SU landings, to occupy Tallinn and to force the SU to keep some units guarding the Luga axis.

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/23/2012 6:53:12 PM

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Vladivostock?

It's Bloodyvostok, an ugly city if I ever saw one (believe me)

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/23/2012 6:57:02 PM

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Vladivostock? It's Bloodyvostok, an ugly city if I ever saw one (believe me)

LOL. Never been there but thought it was good inspiration for my men. Like when you punch someone you aim and visualise a few inches beyond where you want to hit to get maximum effect

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/24/2012 7:23:45 PM

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Turn 5.

AGN - smashed through the Soviet defences, dislocated 3 airbases and neared the Luga. Few Soviets on the Luga (except a few spotted in the swamps).

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/24/2012 7:47:15 PM

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As an FYI here's the recon view of LG:

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/25/2012 10:06:36 AM

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AGC - injected a little bit of momentum again but disappointingly I was not able to create the pocket I wanted. Walloc is placing his units well in good stacks in the right terrain with the right spacing.

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/25/2012 10:09:35 AM

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AGS - dissapointing here too. Only had about 20ish MP's in the armoured units due to the distance to rail heads. Walloc has also placed good stacks in the right places.

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/25/2012 10:10:36 AM

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/25/2012 10:11:31 AM

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 2/25/2012 10:12:34 AM

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 3/6/2012 5:52:36 PM

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T6 end.

Finland - 2 SU Divisions are doomed and I hope to snag a couple more in the morth by using the Cav Bde to good effect next week.

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 3/6/2012 5:57:03 PM

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AGN -

Walloc regrouped well up here and has done well throughout in placing strong mixed stacks (Rifle/MTR/ARM) in good defensive terrain. A couple of stacks were pushed back by LVI and XXXI on the eastern end of the Luga line. As things stand it's likely I'll go for the ports on the coast of Ladoga but we'll see how the defences pan out.

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 3/6/2012 6:03:21 PM

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AGC -

Once more Walloc placed units in stacks in good defensive terrain in a well thought out Checkerboard system. As such I only managed to cut off 5 Divisions but I did penetrate a Dnepr Tributary. The 'good' thing is that Walloc is now slightly more on the move and a bulge can potentially be cut off to the north (Vitebsk) or to the South depending on what Walloc does in his turn. Between Smolensk and Moscow there's just one more river barrier blockign my path. I really want and need to capture more Soviets though.....

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RE: Target Vladivostock! (no Walloc) - 3/6/2012 6:04:49 PM

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AGC Details - showing the values of the units in the front:

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