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Land Based Catalinas - 2/21/2012 12:42:15 PM

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The patrol plane Catalina is labeled as a float plane but in the game can it also operate from landlocked bases (bases with no coastal or sea hexside)?

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RE: Land Based Catalinas - 2/21/2012 12:51:05 PM

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The patrol plane Catalina is labeled as a float plane but in the game can it also operate from landlocked bases (bases with no coastal or sea hexside)?

there are models with landing gears

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RE: Land Based Catalinas - 2/21/2012 12:51:42 PM

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Some are amphibious if it says float+ patrol rather than just float patrol then it can land at an airfield as well as on the water PBY-5A is an example. Also if there is a river in the base hex they can also operate from there, Portland is an example but I�m sure there will be others.

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RE: Land Based Catalinas - 2/21/2012 12:53:26 PM

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Some where I've seen pictures of them landing on Guadacanal, I think. I'm also pretty sure it was THE first plane to land on Henderson Field after it was captured from the Japanese.

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RE: Land Based Catalinas - 2/21/2012 1:37:43 PM

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The model in production in late 1941 was the -5 which was a pure flying boat. These were going to the USN as well as the Dutch and the British. consolidated proposed an amphibious version which became the -5A and the USN changed all their orders to the -5A. Some -5s still made it into USN inventories, but the British and Dutch got -5s. I believe the Dutch managed to get two -5As at some point, but most were -5s.

The British preferred the pure flying boat and placed an order for them later, but those were the only pure flying boats built after mid-1942. A few ended up in USN inventories. Later the Canso came along which was a licensed built Catlina with a number of improvements. Consolidated eventually incorporated most of those into the -6.

For game purposed, the amphibians can operate anywhere. The pure flying boats can operate on any hex that has water on at least one hex side and a port can be built there. (They can operate from dot hexes if a seaplane tender in the hex.)

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RE: Land Based Catalinas - 2/21/2012 1:42:18 PM

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Well you have the 5A model. A standing for amphibious.

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RE: Land Based Catalinas - 2/21/2012 3:27:09 PM

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pby 4

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RE: Land Based Catalinas - 2/21/2012 3:27:42 PM

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and pby5-actually may be pby6 but you get the idea.

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RE: Land Based Catalinas - 2/21/2012 6:10:21 PM

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Treasure the 5, the pure flying boat, it has slightly longer range (20 hexes vs 17 - it was about 1,000 lighter) and was better for open sea landings. The landing gear doors in the 5A had a tendency to get smashed in a rough water ( open sea ) landing causing it to sink. The crews were bitter about that. The 5A and later versions have more and better guns - working up to some armor and self sealing fuel tanks. Those versions are better near combat, the 5 and Catalina I is better for pure search and ASW. There range is king.

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RE: Land Based Catalinas - 2/21/2012 7:50:18 PM

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Good points LowCommand. Hal

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RE: Land Based Catalinas - 2/21/2012 7:59:26 PM

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Some are amphibious if it says float+ patrol rather than just float patrol then it can land at an airfield as well as on the water PBY-5A is an example. Also if there is a river in the base hex they can also operate from there, Portland is an example but I�m sure there will be others.

This is nice to know.

It never ceases to amaze me how much info is here on these forums!

I swear, I learn something new every time I visit this site.

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RE: Land Based Catalinas - 2/21/2012 11:26:06 PM

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Or lakes, the RAAF training base for the Catalina was at Lake Boga, some 200 miles north of Melbourne.

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RE: Land Based Catalinas - 2/21/2012 11:28:37 PM

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and pby5-actually may be pby6 but you get the idea.

That's actually a -5A. I don't believe the 'A' stood for amphibious either. It was just a sub-mark indicator.

Here is a model of the -5
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RE: Land Based Catalinas - 2/21/2012 11:52:22 PM

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and pby5-actually may be pby6 but you get the idea.

That's actually a -5A. I don't believe the 'A' stood for amphibious either. It was just a sub-mark indicator.

Bill

It might be a coincidence, but no PBY5 were amphibious and all PBY5A & PBY6A were amphibious.
There doesnt appear to be any sub-marks up to the PBY5A, they progressed through numbers.

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RE: Land Based Catalinas - 2/22/2012 1:11:10 AM

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The F4F-3A was not amphibious.

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RE: Land Based Catalinas - 2/22/2012 1:29:02 AM

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The F4F-3A was not amphibious.

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As Wildcats go it was amphibious, float on water (for a while) and undercarriage for attempting to land on carriers.

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RE: Land Based Catalinas - 2/22/2012 1:44:44 AM

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I think the floatation abilities were about the same for all models of the Wildcat.

There was the Wildcatfish, which was the F4F-3S, and attempt to make a float plane fighter. It never went beyond the prototype stage.

The F4F-3A differed from the -3 due to a slightly different engine. The -3 had a two stage super charger and the -3A had a single stage (because of an engine shortage).

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RE: Land Based Catalinas - 2/22/2012 3:01:33 AM

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that's some dang nice modelling shown in these jpg's.

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RE: Land Based Catalinas - 2/22/2012 4:33:13 AM

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I think the floatation abilities were about the same for all models of the Wildcat.

There was the Wildcatfish, which was the F4F-3S, and attempt to make a float plane fighter.� It never went beyond the prototype stage.

The F4F-3A differed from the -3 due to a slightly different engine.� The -3 had a two stage super charger and the -3A had a single stage (because of an engine shortage).

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