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Lightning upgrades. - 3/20/2012 10:16:57 PM   
crsutton


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Status: offline 		It is almost the end of June and the P39J was supposed to convert to the L version but has yet to do it. I know there can be a delay but we are working on almost 30 days now. Can the delay be this long?




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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/21/2012 12:36:19 AM   
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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/21/2012 12:37:04 AM   
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Now the P38L is one hot ship!!!



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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/21/2012 2:40:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Whoops! P38 J to L conversion. Due on June 1, 1944. It is now June 30.

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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/21/2012 3:10:54 AM   
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Lots more pressure when there is some one on the other end getting his Jet Fighters into action 12 mths early

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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/21/2012 3:20:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I brought this up in the patch thread some time ago as I thought there was some kind of unintended effect to factory upgrades at some point in the patching process as for most of my game I had no problems w/ factories upgrading w/in a week or 2 regardless of size but I've noticed now that it takes more than a month for it to happen now. I was told by MichaelM that this was how it always was. I've currently got the 2 PBY factories in SD awaiting upgrade to PBY6A & it's almost been a whole month.

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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/21/2012 6:31:59 AM   
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As I play with myself, i never notice these things.





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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/21/2012 3:25:48 PM   
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As I play with myself, i never notice these things.





I thought that masturbation leading to blindness was a victorian thingie..

Dadgum it, you beat me to it!

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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/21/2012 3:36:13 PM   
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As I play with myself, i never notice these things.





I thought that masturbation leading to blindness was a victorian thingie..





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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/21/2012 4:11:42 PM   
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quote:

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As I play with myself, i never notice these things.





I thought that masturbation leading to blindness was a victorian thingie..



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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/22/2012 2:17:52 PM   
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quote:

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As I play with myself, i never notice these things.





I thought that masturbation leading to blindness was a victorian thingie..



Oh snap!

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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/22/2012 4:08:27 PM   
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As I play with myself, i never notice these things.





I am not going to touch this one...

But thanks Jeff for totally diverting this thread........


Every other upgrade has taken place withing a few days of the due date. I don't mind much as the J model is actually slightly better than the L. I will give it another week or two and then pitch a fit with michael on the tech forum. He has not had enough to do lately anyways.....

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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/22/2012 5:32:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		My B-24D1 and B-25D1 upgrades occurred on the first of the month following their "upgrade month".

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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/22/2012 10:51:40 PM   
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As I play with myself, i never notice these things.





I thought that masturbation leading to blindness was a victorian thingie..


I got glasses.

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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/22/2012 10:58:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffK

As I play with myself, i never notice these things.

Lots more pressure when there is some one on the other end getting his Jet Fighters into action 12 mths early

quote:

As I play with myself, i never notice these things.


Man, TMI!!!

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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/22/2012 11:00:03 PM   
JeffroK


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Status: offline 		Sorry cr,

My appraoch to most of the happenings in the game is that nothing should be perfect, no guarantees that anything works as planned and it happens.

Having an arrival date is an estimate, I play as if that is what the REMF promised whereas reality is they arrive when they arrive. It could be 1 of the 1000's of things in a production line goes wrong.

I'm more annoyed if the opposition, by managing their production, gets aircraft into action 3-4 months early.

Of course, if its a month late this gets annoying and may be a bug rather than a WAD process.

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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/23/2012 3:45:36 AM   
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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/23/2012 4:54:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, the Js upgraded to Ls on the 1st day of July, exactly one month after they were supposed to. This is the first that I have seen it happen so late and since others have mentioned this event happening exactly one month after the scheduled date, I suspect we might have a minor bug. Gonna report it to michaelm and see what he says. Anyone else notice this happening exactly one month later than scheduled, now is the time to speak up.



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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/23/2012 7:13:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		July 1942, DBB cant remember which version

Of the 5 aircraft due, 4 have arrived and the Anson has none but a rep rate of 2.

Is this a P38 only problem, or possible for all types?

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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/23/2012 7:29:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am guessing that it is more of an on-map factory deal rather than specific to the P38. I've been wrong before, though...

You must be playing a different version of DaBigBabes than I if you are upgrading from P38Js to P38Ls in July of 1942!

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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/23/2012 6:04:10 PM   
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My B-24D1 and B-25D1 upgrades occurred on the first of the month following their "upgrade month".



I'm playing vanilla, latest patch.

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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/23/2012 9:19:09 PM   
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I am guessing that it is more of an on-map factory deal rather than specific to the P38. I've been wrong before, though...

You must be playing a different version of DaBigBabes than I if you are upgrading from P38Js to P38Ls in July of 1942!

Yeah, Ive managed my production and invested research into the P38L and brought it into play 12 mths early.

Whoops, thats what the JFB try

I was just commenting on my aircraft arriving within the month advertised, and querying whether it may be a P38 thing or only a P38L thing.

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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/23/2012 9:47:09 PM   
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I am guessing that it is more of an on-map factory deal rather than specific to the P38. I've been wrong before, though...

You must be playing a different version of DaBigBabes than I if you are upgrading from P38Js to P38Ls in July of 1942!

Yeah, Ive managed my production and invested research into the P38L and brought it into play 12 mths early.

Whoops, thats what the JFB try

I was just commenting on my aircraft arriving within the month advertised, and querying whether it may be a P38 thing or only a P38L thing.



You have hacked the code and unlocked the secret! Let's keep this one to ourselves. Don't let anyone else know. PM is on the way.....

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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/24/2012 2:09:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		The earlier explanation about a month delay to factory upgrades was based on how it works today.

One of the betas pointed out to me just the other day that there IS some strangeness to the factory upgrades. An upgrade that only lasts a month can be missed because of the 30-day delay to the factory upgrade.

The factory delay came about when the R&D change was made to allow the R&D factory to change to another R&D plane during the last month of research (last big patch). Re-examining the code for the factory upgrade showed that it was using the same code to determine when the aircraft upgrade happens, but the factory code expected something different being returned in that case.

The end point is that the factory upgrade should have a random chance to upgrade during the due month - random(30) meaning that there is an increasing chance to change as month goes on. Today, that chance is slim during the same period which is why the upgrade seems to be delayed a month.

The initial problem might have been caused by a typo in the random value, but the comment I added to the code later matches the initial value rather than what I was intending the new value to do. [Case of re-writing history to match the "facts".]

I have added this to my to-be-fixed list.


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RE: Lightning upgrades. - 3/24/2012 4:42:14 AM   
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