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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/11/2012 5:18:45 AM

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I'm new around here, but I've heard good things about both players. Looking forward to this! I'll read both starting out and probably pick one after a few weeks.

Good luck!

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/11/2012 1:02:18 PM

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I will be following both sides (first time, I think both players will do for a fun match), but since I do not post very much, no OpSec breaches expected

Good luck!

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/11/2012 3:57:32 PM

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Since I have mailed out the first turn I might aswell give you some heads-up about the coming action as Iwait for Canoe to finish his first turn.

Pearl Harbor
There will be only one port-strike,at Pearl Harbor. Pretty standard setup with 2 Zero wings on strafing attack(the rest on sweep/escort), all Kates on port strike, and 2 Vals on portattack (the rest on airfield attack).

I want to damage/destroy as muchof his airunits as possible while not taking too heavy losses to my airwings.I also want to hit more than just the BBs at Pearl, and the Vals are greatfor sinking other types of ships there.

Malaya
Im sending in all my Nells andBetties at Saigon on a low airfield attack on Singapore. One Zero wingis set to sweep at the same altitude. I hope/pray that the Zeros will showup over the target first, but that is far from certain. Im also doing abig airfield attack at Kota Bharu. In other words, yes, I am trying totarget the RAF torpedo bombers on the ground. An early neutralization ofSingapore is also high on my list of priorities because of my interestto get to Fortress Palembang as soon as possible.

Several warp TFs will convene offKuching, and several normal TFs will be heading that way. Also coming willbe some heavy cruisers from the Kota Bharu cover and the CVL that startsat Babelodeoap (or whatever that place is called). I will use these warpTFs to get aircover and surface cover to this location. This group of shipswill land at Singkawang on D+1 and Fortress Palembang on D+4. That meansthey might have to fight their way through Force Z if they have to. Italso means they might be subjected to heavy air attacks from Singapore.Any losses to this fleet is acceptable losses provided they achieve theirmain objective: The capture of Palembang with minimal damage to the oiland refineries there.

Philippines
Paras will take Vigan on D-day.All convoys will land at Vigan and then move south towards Clark and Manilaas soon as possible. All bombers will hit Clark with the objective of takingout as much of the PI-airforce as possible, while preventing buildup offortifications there.

China
Lots of airstrikes on differentground units in the open and various airfields. If you are a Chinese groundunit in open ground, I want it to hurt. I want to prevent buildup of largefortifications and I want to limit the number of airfields where Canoecan operate fighters from. First priority is to clear the railline betweennorthern and central China, and to clear the coastline from Chinese basesand units.

Japan
Lots of shuffeling around of navalunits. Build up of the HI at Sapporo. I will start the industry-program on turn 2. Turn 1 is long as it is so Im saving the industry for tomorrow.

SLOCs
Im starting to build up Okinawaand a few other islands between Formosa and the home islands. The goalis to have SCs based at each island and ASW patrol aircraft stationed allalong this route. Im going to put a lot of effort into the ASW-campaign.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/11/2012 4:02:00 PM

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With working Allied TTs you HAVE to!

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/11/2012 4:38:50 PM

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Wow, this war started very very good for the empire.

Pearl Harbor

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 102 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 80
B5N2 Kate x 144
D3A1 Val x 132

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed by flak
B5N2 Kate: 4 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 3 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 11 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
PBY-5 Catalina: 97 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 7 destroyed on ground
P-40B Warhawk: 59 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 2 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 29 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
P-36A Mohawk: 17 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 1 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 33 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 2 destroyed on ground
A-20A Havoc: 23 damaged
A-20A Havoc: 3 destroyed on ground
O-47A: 13 damaged
R3D-2: 1 damaged
R3D-2: 1 destroyed on ground
SBD-1 Dauntless: 35 damaged
SBD-1 Dauntless: 2 destroyed on ground
C-33: 5 damaged
F4F-3 Wildcat: 5 damaged
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed on ground
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
AV Wright
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DM Preble
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 6, and is sunk
CM Oglala, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Detroit, Torpedo hits 1
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
DM Gamble, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
PT-30, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL Honolulu, Torpedo hits 1
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AV Curtiss, Torpedo hits 1
AV Tangier, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Shaw, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB Oklahoma, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
SS Dolphin, Bomb hits 1
DD Chew, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Monaghan, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
PG Sacramento, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DM Montgomery, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Raleigh, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AM Rail, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Repair Shipyard hits 7
Airbase hits 33
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 85
Port hits 13
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
15 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
16 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
11 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
17 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Magazine explodes on BB Pennsylvania

Singapore
Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 72
G4M1 Betty x 27

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 2 damaged
G3M2 Nell: 1 destroyed by flak
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 55 damaged
Buffalo I: 3 destroyed on ground
Vildebeest III: 17 damaged
Vildebeest III: 5 destroyed on ground
Blenheim IV: 31 damaged
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed on ground
S.19 Singapore III: 7 damaged
Hudson I: 3 damaged
Hudson I: 1 destroyed on ground
Catalina I: 8 damaged
Catalina I: 1 destroyed on ground
Buffalo PR.I: 1 damaged
Buffalo PR.I: 1 destroyed on ground
Swordfish I: 3 damaged
Swordfish I: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 23
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 42

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 8000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
27 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 8000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 8000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 8000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/11/2012 4:40:27 PM

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All the bomb hits on battleship row are 800kgs, except two hits on Arizona and one on West Virginia.

Im expecting most of those battleships to be in sinking condition right now. I might even forego a second strike and go hunting for Lexington instead (more on that soon)

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/11/2012 5:01:22 PM

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The game is only one turn old, and I must say I like Canoe as an opponent already.

Force Z rode to the sound of the guns. Expecting a landing at Mersing no doubt, he sent Force Z into harms way to intercept my ships. A bold move, and had I been careless and sent my warp TFs to Mersing, it could have been a slaughter.

Is that Lexington nort of Johnston Island? Perhaps he wants to see what Im doing on turn 2, perhaps he wants to try to catch my AOs, perhaps he is trying to prevent me from doing a second strike at Pearl (because who would dare do that if the US CVs are within striking distance?

Two very bold moves, two very agressive moves. I like that alot. None of this pansy assed Sir Robin-crap. It is clear that I will have to fight for every inch of ground in this game. Makes the game harder and it makes the game more interesting.

Oh...one more thing. No sign of Boise or Houston. Are they in the Celebes Sea? Are they in the Philippine Sea? Are they heading towards Babeldaob to intercept my transports? Are they heading to Manila to break the blockade? They can be anywhere right now, and that forces me to be extremely careful all around Mindanao and Luzon. That will slow me down everywhere.

Did I mention Canoe is good at this game?

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/11/2012 7:05:23 PM

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Good PH attack. I'd go another day just to make sure. I don't think he'll let you get that CV. Isn't it Enterprise that starts closer to Hawaii?

You also look to be very aggressive. Palembang on the 4th day is a bit early if you ask me. There's virtually no way he's going to try the same thing as his last game in this one anyway. And if he did, it's to your advantage. Without a good air presence at Singkawang getting any farther toward Sumatra is putting a lot of ships and troops out on a limb. It might work, but I would think Dan would be pretty happy to give up a few ships and a lot of planes to slow you down there.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/11/2012 7:19:34 PM

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All the bomb hits on battleship row are 800kgs, except two hits on Arizona and one on West Virginia.

Im expecting most of those battleships to be in sinking condition right now. I might even forego a second strike and go hunting for Lexington instead (more on that soon)

Aircraft destruction at Pearl Harbor was quite modest IMO.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/11/2012 7:29:02 PM

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You will probably need 5 torpedo hits and/or explosions to sink those BBs. You might get up to another 3 BBs with a second strike.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/11/2012 7:39:50 PM

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I count BBs with more than a year of repair-time to be "killed". I dont have to worry about them before I have to worry about everything else in the USN. The "heavy damage, heavy fires" are sunk or as good as sunk in my book. At least when it comes to the PH strike.

I really do not want to go to Pearl a second time unless I absolutely have to. AAA and CAP can/will take out 20-something of my best pilots if I attack again, and at this point, with that first PH-strike, I simply do not think it is worth it.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/11/2012 8:41:40 PM

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I count BBs with more than a year of repair-time to be "killed". I dont have to worry about them before I have to worry about everything else in the USN. The "heavy damage, heavy fires" are sunk or as good as sunk in my book. At least when it comes to the PH strike.

I really do not want to go to Pearl a second time unless I absolutely have to. AAA and CAP can/will take out 20-something of my best pilots if I attack again,

Both valid points, although I wouldn't think there's much left for CAP at Pearl.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/11/2012 9:02:57 PM

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Wishing you good luck, as I plan to read both AARs (started with yours). I might chime in a time or two, but I don't plan to give any advice for obvious reasons.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/11/2012 9:17:52 PM

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Some words on the situation in the Singapore-area. The move by Force Z is a very good move. Force Z can threaten Japanese ships in three areas shown in Yellow. He can move towards Saigon to intercept the very very fat troop convoys heading for Singora, he can move towards Kota Bharu to attack the landings there, or he can move towards Singkawang or Kuching to attack my shipping there.

Of all these three, I think the most likely is a move towards Singkawang. I think he expects me to land there, and he will use Force Z to try to catch my troop convoys before they can unload. But at the same time, I have to protect the shipping in all three areas.

Here are my moves:

The 2 BBs move to intercept a move towards Kota Bharu.

The 4 CAs will move down to the Kuching area to provide surface cover for the upcoming invasion.

CA Chokai will enter straits of Malacca and head towards Rangoon.

Troop transports off Kuching move to a hex just north of Kuching, there they will meet up with a CVL and a surface combat TF consisting of two CAs that will provide close cover.

Surface combat TFs currently in the same hex as the transports off Kuching will stay in place to create a barrier between the troop transports and Force Z.

5 TBs detached from transport cover ordered to move to Singkawang in the hopes to intercept the BBs in a night action at Singkawang. They might score a lucky hit, or delay the RN BBs so Kates from the CVL might be able to strike at the BBs tomorrow.

Zeros from the CVL will LRCAP Palembang, this will show if there are any troop transport aircraft moving there. Will provide valuable intel and perhaps even shoot down some transports.

Betties and Nells at Saigon will be ordered to naval attack, but with a limited range to avoid CAP-traps around Singapore.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/11/2012 9:44:13 PM

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Good Luck!!!!

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/11/2012 11:30:15 PM

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China is the way to go for several reasons.

1. It is in the Japanese backyard and utilizes troops that are in play from day 1. Having China as the main ground battle front greatly eases the Japanese supply problem, especially since you gave him good torpedoes from day 1.
2. Attrition of the Chinese army and supply handicaps the Allied player and becomes a constant drain on supply. If the pressure is maintained the Allies are greatly weakened later in the war without effective Chinese ground forces. Not being able to commit Chinese forces to Burma counters some Allied player gambits.
3. The air war in China is a meat grinder for the Allies (especially in scenario 2) and is a great training ground for the Japanese Army Air Corps.
4. By not going full out for either India or OZ once your outer Naval perimeter is established you will have a lot more leeway with the KB and the rest of the IJN to search out and attempt to force a decisive/destructive naval engagement in late 42 through mid 43 where you have the advantage.
5. CR will spend a lot of time and energy positioning forces to counter possible invasions of either India or OZ. Any feints will prove to be very effective and have little or no impact to your main ground combat thrust in China.
6. Once you are properly positioned you can use your Scenario 2 excess air forces to engage CR in a crushing battle of attrition. The loss of airframes has a (c)rippling effect throughout the Allied force structure and training as well as in his offensive planning.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/12/2012 1:35:56 AM

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Hi Panzerjaeger,

Regarding Singapore: Why not arm your Nells/Bettys with torpedoes for a nval attack and then use all of your search aircraft to find force Z? Doesn't air attacks go before naval attacks?

Regarding Boise/Houston - those are just light cruisers? Why so concerned about them?

And Warp Transports - which TFs are those? I know about TF1 & TF2 plus those DDs that attack Wake. What other "warp" TFs are there?

Regarding PH - There aren't really that many PBY to kill at Pearl. Why believe that any of the rest of that combat report is true?

Sorry if I'm asking too many questions - but... I played a couple of turns against myself and those combat reports are totally bogus.

CR

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/12/2012 2:13:35 AM

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*subscribed*

And as someone else already wrote I am also tempted not to read canoes AAR to spit out stuff more freely here. For instance, even if he used the northern route several times already I am sure he will at least keep this as an option on the table so you will have to prepare for that. Especially since some of the usual naval warfare in 42-43 might simply not happening due to your focus on China. Which I believe is very solid btw.

Good luck and fair winds!

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/12/2012 12:19:13 PM

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Regarding Boise/Houston - those are just light cruisers? Why so concerned about them?

Read a few AARs from the beginning and you'll see why he (and any other Japanese player) would be concerned about Houston (a CA by the way) and Boise (a modern CL). Boise has an almost mythical (but very real) ability to cause havoc in the early part of the war.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/12/2012 6:03:46 PM

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December 8th

Lots of action today. All in all, I think I lost this day.

Pearl Harbor
KB split in two.

Part 1 made its way north to meet up with the AOs. Several SCTFs were sent out from Pearl, and suffered at the airwings. I think I sunk 5-6 DDs today.

Part 2 made a speed run west to catch the suspected CV at Johnston Island. Amazingly enough we ended up inside strike range, but managed to send only an uncoordinated strike of 18 Kates and 22 Zeros. They met a CAP of 21 Wildcats. In the dogfight, the Wildcats drew the longest straw and got through to the Kates.

6 Kates managed to penetrate to the ships, and missed CV Enterprise. Damn...

Could be an interesting day tomorrow though...

Malaya
Chokai and Sagiri ran into several RN SCTFs. Damaged a CL, sank a CM and DD Tenedos, and was sunk in turn by Prince of Wales.

Kota Bharu fell, and several Buffalos were shot down over Singapore.

Philippines
Lots of action here. My DDs covering Hong Kong sank a dozen small transports fleeing south. USN DDs tried to intercept my landings but were caught by my covering forces. In the surface actions almost nothing happened though.

Betties from Babeldaob managed to catch some B17s on the ground at Cagayan.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/12/2012 6:59:25 PM

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Quite surprised that was actually a CV TF. I thought it would turn out to be a SC TF. What is CR thinking?

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/12/2012 7:23:18 PM

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Quite surprised that was actually a CV TF. I thought it would turn out to be a SC TF. What is CR thinking?

He was lucky those were Wildcats and not Buffaloes. If the two US CVs link up in the next few days, assuming the Enterprize can elude the IJN, that puts a lot of DBs into the mix. I'd still be happier with 3 IJN CVs in that case though.

It is odd he wanted to 'show' the CVs so close to the KB. Maybe it'll take a while to adapt to PH's style of play.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/12/2012 8:33:07 PM

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Boise (a modern CL). Boise has an almost mythical (but very real) ability to cause havoc in the early part of the war.

I consider Boise to be a greater threat than Houston. She carried 15 rapid-firing six-inch guns, which were more lethal than slow-firing 8-inchers to unarmored ships, and she had better armor. IRL, she struck an uncharted shoal in January 1942, which is why you don't hear of any early-war exploits.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/12/2012 8:37:17 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock

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Boise (a modern CL). Boise has an almost mythical (but very real) ability to cause havoc in the early part of the war.

I consider Boise to be a greater threat than Houston. She carried 15 rapid-firing six-inch guns, which were more lethal than slow-firing 8-inchers to unarmored ships, and she had better armor. IRL, she struck an uncharted shoal in January 1942, which is why you don't hear of any early-war exploits.

That should be hard-coded...

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/14/2012 7:41:05 AM

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Lots of action already in this game. The waters between Singkawang and Sumatra are very contested, it is like a knife fight in a dark alley there right now. Very interesting game, much more fun than the Sir Robin defence.

Singapore - Singkawang
A mixed TF consisting of 4 CLs and 2 DDs tried to intercept my (not-happening) landings at Singkawang I think. (My troop transports are hovering one hex to the north of Singkawang under heavy SCTF protection) ...

This force tangled with several of my TFs in the area:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Pontianak at 54,90, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
This is a TF designed to tangle with the RN BBs at close range at night in the hopes of delaying the enemy and perhaps getting a lucky hit. Unfortunately as you can see, the TBs failed to score any hit.

DD Tachikaze, Shell hits 1
TB Chidori
TB Manazuru, Shell hits 3
TB Hatsukari, Shell hits 1
TB Tomozuru

Allied Ships
CL Java
CL Danae
CL Dragon, Shell hits 2
CL Durban
DD Van Nes
DD Evertsen

Night Time Surface Combat, near Singkawang at 55,88, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships This is the main defense for the troop transports. This SCTF takes position in the hex just before the troop transports and their close cover. I was very disappointed at this engagement, I was expecting more from my heavy cruisers. Kumano might actually make it, believe it or not, she is limping towards port together with DD Arashi.

CA Mogami
CA Mikuma, Shell hits 2
CA Suzuya
CA Kumano, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Maikaze
DD Nowaki
DD Arashi, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Hagikaze, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
CL Java, Shell hits 6, on fire
CL Danae, Shell hits 1
CL Dragon, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL Durban, Shell hits 1
DD Van Nes, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Evertsen, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

At this point, I would say it is an allied victory. But then one of my subs manages to score several hits on the retreating brits.

ASW attack near Pontianak at 54,90

Japanese Ships
SS I-157

Allied Ships
CL Danae, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Van Nes

And then the Kates from my CVL manages to score a hit.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Billiton at 52,91

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
B5N1 Kate x 11

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
CL Durban, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Java

And finally another successful sub attack
Sub attack near Billiton at 52,91

Japanese Ships
SS I-156

Allied Ships
CL Durban, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage

CL Durban is sighted by SS I-156
SS I-156 launches 6 torpedoes at CL Durban

Central Pacific
I failed to correctly guess the heading of the fleeing Enterprise, and the USN CV got away. A USN CA intercepted my landings at Ocean island and sunk a couple of ships.

Rangoon
Heavy air battles over Rangoon today as the AVG is committed to the defence of the port. I'll post the relevant parts of the CR so you can get a feel for the battle. Having the Tojos arrive later and higher than the first sweep was really effective, the Tojos went 4-0 in this engagement. The Zeros were the real killers though.

Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 32

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 27
Buffalo I x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 2 destroyed

Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44 Tojo x 8

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 20
Buffalo I x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
H81-A3: 1 destroyed
Buffalo I: 1 destroyed

Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 28

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 15
Buffalo I x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 13

Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 13
Buffalo I x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
H81-A3: 7 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 9000 feet

China
I wanted to bomb Kunming because I thought he might be moving parts of the AVG into China. I was right, but unfortunately the AVG fighters there were set on CAP and not stood down (as I was expecting). To make matters even worse, the Zeros ordered to sweep the base failed to fly. As a result I lost several precious Betties.

Morning Air attack on Kunming , at 69,48

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 41

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed, 3 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 51

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
17 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/14/2012 7:47:15 AM

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Here is an image to give an idea about the kind of desicions Im facing right now.

One false move, and I'll have Force Z in the middle of some very fat troop transports.

Same around Mindanao. Still no spotting of Boise or Houston, and at the same time, several spottings of unknown TFs.

Im trying to cover two directions at once with only one CA, one CL and a handful of DDs. I should have focused on one direction instead. But against a passive allied player, you can really get ahead down here if you move fast enough.

The uncertainty forced me to abandon my early invasion of Ambon and land at Sorong instead. I simply cannot risk facing the Boise down there together with the Dutch and US destroyers that start in eastern DEI. I'll have to wait for some cover forces that right now are heading south around the eastern side of Luzon.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/14/2012 8:59:14 AM

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Looks like the surface battle went your way considering the aftermath. That'll take some sting out of the defense.

I agree that against an aggressive defender it's tough to get all of the way to Ambon early without having good naval search already installed in places like Ternate and Sorong. Too many players (including me in my first PBEM) set up a bunch of goals and fail to modify them to the style of play they encounter, then get skewered going somewhere deep too early.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/14/2012 7:13:45 PM

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Yeah, it is very easy to get target-fixated and push too hard to get there.

Meanwhile, Im waiting for the turn I thought Id say something about the

Plans for tomorrow

More fighter sweeps of Rangoon with fresh fighters. The ones used yesterday were somewhat fatigued (18-25) so Im standing them down and sweeping with others.

Troop transports will continue towards Palembang together with most of my surface combat fleet.

CVs will try to link up southeast of Pearl and then head north to the tankers.

Paradrop in the base just south of Mandalay to break the rail/road from Rangoon to China. Since I could not close this supply path with my surface combat forces, I have to do it this way. I think I will lose that para-unit completely, but I have to delay him long enough to shut down Rangoon harbor.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/14/2012 10:11:09 PM

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Since you are going to make a major push in China can you please relate some of your plans and objectives (unless OPSEC is a concern)? A map shot would be great if possible.

CR normally prides himself on not doing too badly in China so his defense should be interesting.

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RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Ca... - 4/15/2012 9:37:19 AM

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Another action packed turn.

Western NEI
We are making slow but steady progress towards Palembang. Several air attacks from Singapore were defeated by the Zero CAP of CVL Zuiho. The light carrier has performed admirably, and is the only reason this attack works. If the carrier would be taken out of operation, I will have several transport TFs hanging in mid-ocean, well inside torpedo-bomber-range.

Zeros from Zuiho on LRCAP over Palembang intercepted several transport aircraft coming from several different locations. Clearly Canoe is trying to reinforce here. A SCTF consisting of a CL and several DDs also raided the port at Palembang and sank 4 xAKs. They were empty, so I dont know if that means they were loading supply or if they have unloaded their cargo already. Im not sure what I will face here to be honest.

Im ordering the troop transports to carry on towards Palembang, and the cover forces are positioned to counter any move from Java.

The Zeros at Zuiho were set to 70% CAP 30% rest at 0 range. This is a very good setting for carrier defence in my opinion.

Burma
More airbattles over Rangoon today. I think I am breaking his back here. My Zeros were stood down and the two sweeps were conducted by Ib-Oscars and Ic-Oscars.

I have noted that Canoe likes to put his CAP up high. One section of the AVG were at 25k and the other at 30k. I think this is a mistake, perhaps caused by earlier opponents using the strato-sweep. It seems quite clear to me watching the combat replay that I benefit most from this. He gets the first dive, but after that I have the initiative and my fighters have less fatigue and higher morale than his.

My counter to this is staggered sweeps. One around 16-18k and one around 5-8k. My fighters are more manuverable the lower we get, and by dragging him down to me, we fight on our conditions. My pilots will also enter the fight with lower fatigue.

Here is what the combat report is showing, "officially" we lost, but in reality I won this engagement pretty clear. Lots of his H81s were hit and damaged, but the armament of the Ib is clearly not enough to cause enough kills. Had this sweep been with Ic's instead, he would have lost 5 more aircraft. This engagement proves that my sweep-tactics are much better than his CAP tactics right now, and this difference will show more and more as I get better fighters online. Unless Canoe changes his tactics that is.

I think I will throw in a strato-sweep or two in the future to make him think Im using high sweeps to, in an effort to have him continue putting his CAP up high.

Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 27

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 19
Buffalo I x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
H81-A3: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar sweeping at 16000 feet

CAP engaged:
AVG/3rd Sqn with H81-A3 (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(13 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 10 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
AVG/1st Sqn with H81-A3 (1 airborne, 3 on standby, 2 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes
No.67 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes

Philippines
Lots of small surface action around the PI. I sunk his 4 DDs, and I managed to get one of my troop convoys and my "mini-KB" entangled with the fleeing ships from Manila east of Luzon. Sweep over Clark to clear the way for another runway-cratering mission tomorrow.

Central Pacific
Im not sure what Canoe is doing with his CVs. Ive spotted one with my Mavis. Why is he moving his CVs so close to my bases? The initial sighting on day 1 was luck on my part, but now he moves them inside Mavis range too? What is he up to?

Surely he realizes that if he shows his CVs I will come chasing after them with the KB? He knows where the KB will be on day 1, why is he not moving out of that area as fast as he can? I dont understand. Is there something Im missing here? Is there some sort of "unspoken HR" that means the US CVs are off limits for the first week of the war or something?

Edit: One more thing about the airbattle over Rangoon. I think his pilots are much more fatigued than mine, I see signs of this all over the map. His fighters are not as effective against my sweeps as they could be, several of his Buffalos escorting torpedo-planes at Singapore turned back after a few rounds, several bombers turned back after taking one loss. I think he is using his units too much, and I try to rotate my units to ensure all stay below 15 in fatigue.

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