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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 8/29/2012 3:53:51 PM   
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Crucial attack designed to save encircled stack failed.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 8/29/2012 3:58:10 PM   
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I need to counter movement of Italian mountain divisions.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 8/29/2012 3:59:28 PM   
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More units on the way, so I should be able to stabilize front line.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 8/29/2012 7:23:58 PM   
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Turn of nasty surprises.

I forgot about Finnish panzer divisions, but thanks to Saper's courtesy I remember now. :)




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 8/29/2012 7:24:03 PM   
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I have to ask. You handled Pelton quite well but here you've struggled to hold Saper back. What's been the main difference?


Back then Kamil had a carpet of lvl 3 -5 forts and the manpower hit was not in effect yet.

This game was per 1.06.13 so Kamil would have never been muled to death. Those days are over.

There is a HUGE HUGE difference before .13 and after .13.

The logistics has 100% been chaanged forever an so has the game. Its like comparing apples to a cow pattie.

Same as Hooopers 1v1=2v1 and TDV's uber russian blizzard O pocketing 50 german divisions ( got nerfed with the HQ patch)

1941 is very close to historical now, games are desided in 1942 now.



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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 8/29/2012 7:27:12 PM   
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Very successful turn for Axis. I will have to extract encircled units at all cost - another 2 inf corps and 4 inf divisions on the top of what he destroyed that turn (1 inf corps and 2 inf divisions) would massively help his cause of capturing Moscow.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 8/29/2012 7:31:18 PM   
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I will be able to reopen corridor to trapped units.

I was very surprised to find out last turn that my divisions got isolated due to distance to rail-head. I guess this battle seen best performance of soldiers from Italy since Zama :)




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 8/29/2012 7:35:53 PM   
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I have to ask. You handled Pelton quite well but here you've struggled to hold Saper back. What's been the main difference?


Pelton

Back then Kamil had a carpet of lvl 3 -5 forts and the manpower hit was not in effect yet.

This game was per 1.06.13 so Kamil would have never been muled to death. Those days are over.

There is a HUGE HUGE difference before .13 and after .13.




Oh Pelton, Pelton.

You are rewriting history so it can suit You.



In THIS game there was muling, look at initial turns first ...

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 8/29/2012 7:46:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see he's manning the lines with regiments (!) northwest of Moscow, along your bulge... Don't you want to spare a couple corps or strong units to give him a bloody nose there? Every fuss you'll do in the vicinity of Moscow will help your cause at saving The Kremlin...

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 8/29/2012 7:49:12 PM   
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I see he's manning the lines with regiments (!) northwest of Moscow, along your bulge... Don't you want to spare a couple corps or strong units to give him a bloody nose there? Every fuss you'll do in the vicinity of Moscow will help your cause at saving The Kremlin...



I do not have enough reserves for any kind of offensive (especially in unfavorable terrain), my main task is containing his panzer thrusts.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 8/29/2012 10:14:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		A few questions..

1) Has Sapper been "grinding you down" like Pelton mentioned in other AAR's ?? What I think he means are straight up attacks that don't necessarily attempt to form pockets.

2) What has been the German/Soviet loss ratio ?? Seems other AAR's point to a 1/3 ratio or better achieves a definite German advantage.

3) If Sapper had conducted a more sensible blizzard defense (retreat more) would the additional troops and better morale now make a major (significant) difference ???

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 8/30/2012 4:00:18 AM   
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This is now up there with the M60 / Farfarer AAR as one of the most interesting and instructive on the board...keep up the good work!

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 8/31/2012 12:34:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

I have to ask. You handled Pelton quite well but here you've struggled to hold Saper back. What's been the main difference?


Pelton

Back then Kamil had a carpet of lvl 3 -5 forts and the manpower hit was not in effect yet.

This game was pre 1.06.13 so Kamil would have never been muled to death. Those days are over.

There is a HUGE HUGE difference before .13 and after .13.





In THIS game there was muling, look at initial turns first ...



Thats what I said.

Really not sure what your talking about.

You drinking when you read my post?

I will let you reboot and try again.



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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 9/5/2012 12:56:18 PM   
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HITMAN202

A few questions..

1) Has Sapper been "grinding you down" like Pelton mentioned in other AAR's ?? What I think he means are straight up attacks that don't necessarily attempt to form pockets.

2) What has been the German/Soviet loss ratio ?? Seems other AAR's point to a 1/3 ratio or better achieves a definite German advantage.

3) If Sapper had conducted a more sensible blizzard defense (retreat more) would the additional troops and better morale now make a major (significant) difference ???



1 - No he hasn't, and I think that was mistake, between turns 7-14 I was for the taking. He focuses on pockets and won't omit even smallest prey.

2 - 3:1, plus over 250 destroyed divisions

3 - yes, I would have been on brink of major defeat

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 9/5/2012 1:03:43 PM   
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Thanks to arrival of reinforcements and luck I managed to break encirclement.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 9/5/2012 1:06:06 PM   
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Moscow area was massively reinforced thus successful counter-attacks were possible. I think situation here is under control.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 9/5/2012 1:08:31 PM   
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Western approaches to Stalingrad are safe.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 9/5/2012 1:09:32 PM   
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Careful withdrawal.






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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 9/5/2012 1:12:17 PM   
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I think I managed to contain Saper's panzers.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 9/5/2012 1:30:32 PM   
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Pocket was resealed, and ring of encirclement is stronger now.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 9/5/2012 1:33:53 PM   
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More and more panzers are committed here, but crisis is over.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 9/5/2012 1:35:19 PM   
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I am a bit concerned by few mobile units spotted by reckon planes.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 9/5/2012 1:36:27 PM   
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Hmm, I think more troops will have to be sent here.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 9/5/2012 2:40:02 PM   
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Relief forces were defeated. 5 infantry division and 1 tank brigade will be lost.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 9/5/2012 2:42:36 PM   
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Overall good turn here.

Middle part of the German front is idle so I am able to stretch my forces there and sufficiently reinforced Moscow area.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 9/5/2012 2:44:06 PM   
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Not many troops are committed by both sides so little is happening here.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 9/5/2012 2:46:55 PM   
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Great trek to the south.


Bad luck (Tank corps attacks) and limited movement of infantry divisions made my position in far south very precarious.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 9/5/2012 3:16:54 PM   
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Fins accomplished their objective and started withdrawal.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 9/5/2012 3:19:40 PM   
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I guess it will be all quiet on the Moscow front from now on.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 9/5/2012 3:20:49 PM   
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Nothing new.




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