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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 4/22/2012 7:02:07 PM   
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Running for the hills.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 4/22/2012 7:04:12 PM   
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It will not take long to evacuate rest of industry from here, so practically there is not much to fight for. From no on I will start transporting divisions north.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 4/22/2012 7:50:57 PM   
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Fortunately Saper decided to attack my defences south of Lake Ilmen. Unfortunately my forces were incapable of stopping him.


Out of 18 battles in that region I won only 2 - hasty attack of secondary importance.


Despite having half decent command my forces performed poorly in complete opposition to German - their average efficiency was around 220% (3 lowest were 120%, 130%, 140%). Most of battles were lost with final odds between 2:1 to 3:1.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 4/22/2012 7:53:48 PM   
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Lack of action.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 4/22/2012 7:54:41 PM   
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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 4/22/2012 8:56:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kamil, you are too strong south, and weak Moscow. I advise you to give up Kharkov, and send 15+ div defending Moscow.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 4/22/2012 9:23:44 PM   
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Kamil, you are too strong south, and weak Moscow. I advise you to give up Kharkov, and send 15+ div defending Moscow.



I have already taken few, but I wanted to make sure my line is tight and I couldn't run farther away this turn so I had to leave more than I initially intended.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 4/22/2012 11:52:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is going to be tight. 9 more turns before mud is a lot...
Did you agree anything regarding muling?

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 4/23/2012 12:45:08 AM   
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Did you agree anything regarding muling?



no, no house rules apart from paradrops

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 4/24/2012 2:11:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can survive muling, as it does not reduce fatigue, but it means any "hole" or non checkerboarded path can and will be driven through for 25 hexes. IMHO your defence is MP 22 cossacks and Mech ( not brigades, but they can have their uses) which can surround these high-fatigue axis units and cause a no-retreat path rout. I recommend you allow paradrops for tactical and operational use, but not for the deep cutting of rail lines near Romania. For example, dropping paras around a high fatigue SS Mot div that has just wreaked havoc in order to eliminate retreat options, then attacking said SS unit.


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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 4/25/2012 1:32:22 PM   
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In first 7 turns I suffered so high casualties I am no longer able to create proper line of defence. I fear that any attempt to stand my ground may lead to further and this time crippling losses.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 4/25/2012 1:33:13 PM   
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My reserves are limited, but thanks to unfavourable ground south of Lake Ilmen, forces that I am able to muster can just strong be enough to slow Germans down for a moment.

Western approaches to Leningrad were weakened as much as it was possible, so I had to trade time for space there too.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 4/25/2012 1:38:44 PM   
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I am running away so fast that he will have plenty of time to tackle my defences near Moscow. Unfortunatelly there is no other way to deal with current state of affairs.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 4/25/2012 1:40:54 PM   
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More ground given away.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 4/25/2012 2:06:46 PM   
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Fighting in the north continues and I have to confess that bad luck is still my fate.

German units didn't perform as efficiently as last turn. Average efficiency was 160 %, but there were two battles in witch it dropped below 100. Well, I still lost them because my troops were fighting even more inefficiently.

Out of 8 battles I won none. 5 of them were lost narrowly - final odes under 3:1.


Fortunately my defences were not breached so all in all I evaluate this turn as a positive one.






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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 4/25/2012 2:11:11 PM   
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Situation here will soon reach critical point. Assault on my main line near Moscow is still few turns away, but danger starts to loom over Tula. German panzers were rested and infantry is close by.

My defences there are weak and ground favours attacking side. Hard decisions will have to be taken.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 4/25/2012 2:14:05 PM   
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Despite the fact that Sapper seems to be sending part of his forces north to reinforce his attack on Moscow I am uncertain if I will be able to hold my ground long enough to withdrawn industry from this area.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/2/2012 12:46:41 AM   
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There are barely any reinforcements available, so my despite my efforts my defences near Lake Ilmen are very weak. Regardless of that fact I will continue fighting there, because it is only way and place to slow him for a while.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/2/2012 12:49:40 AM   
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Near Rzhev and Tula I am so afraid of being encircled, that I withdraw few hexes east. I am willing to risk loosing 25 arm, because I can't let myself having more holes in my lines.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/2/2012 12:51:09 AM   
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Great escape continues.

I was surprised too many times during this game, so I take no chances.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/2/2012 1:00:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		he seems to go for the "right hook" against leningrad. mistake.

imho the best and more efficient way to capture leningrad is the direct assault over the luga river with a PG and 2 armies.

he will get a long front which eats a lot of troops which would be placed better against moscow.

against my german opponent monty i made the same mistake once and since then i always go for a frontal assault on leningrad.

by the way:

i thought that I earn the title of "sir robinovsky" but you are even faster then me.:)

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/2/2012 1:08:41 AM   
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Again my idiots fought bravely but obviously not smartly. I lost all but 1 battle here, many of those by narrow margin.


Overall situation is not tragic yet. Germans are still, more-less contained. Disaster is averted once again. At least for a turn.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/2/2012 1:11:05 AM   
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As I feared Germans were able to reach Tula's outskirts and prevent my industry from being railed away. It was anticipated, but it is still painful. (24 arm)




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/2/2012 1:13:53 AM   
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I am so spread out I can not stop Saper even for a moment if he commits himself somewhere.


It was the case near Stalino - 6 arm locked.


grrrr




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/2/2012 1:33:15 AM   
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he seems to go for the "right hook" against leningrad. mistake.



I agree.

I am really relieved, that after initial onslaught of NW front south of Lake Ilmen he committed himself to "right hook". It granted me some breathing space.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/2/2012 1:37:49 AM   
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My divisions near Leningrad were withdrawn to the north-east to created more cohesive line plus invite Germans to advance there. Hopefully Saper will change direction of his attack and move panzers closer to Leningrad.

Every turn, that his tanks spend moving away from Moscow is good turn.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/2/2012 1:40:53 AM   
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Tula is lost, but I will try to buy myself few turns by defending this city. I leave me left wing exposed, because I hope river to the north will provide me with excellent fall back line.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/2/2012 1:42:46 AM   
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South is constantly stripped of troops, plus there is no industry to protect here left. So falling back continues ...




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/2/2012 2:01:38 AM   
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Despite my "invitation" Saper continues to assault my positions in the same manner he has done so far - concentrated push plus minor encirclement.

Constant destruction of my divisions can not be balance out by new reinforcements - threat to Moscow forces me to sent fresh troops there.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/2/2012 2:04:36 AM   
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My last delay line was breached so finally battle for Moscow has started. 6 clear turns too go. Bad bad bad.


Fortunately there were good news too - positions near Tula were not overrun, and whole line looks quite tight.




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