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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/20/2012 7:50:17 PM   
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To be honest, to me fun (or should I say a big laugh) is what matters -as opposed to an über serious operational plan. Trashing enemy units is a good laugh. This does not mean I will commit suicide actions but still, trash every unit you can. I mean, you really could have done it. You will have a good laugh and then you will hurt your e-enemy.



Everyone is saying that I should counter-attack and I know that most of the time majority is right ... but I can't justify risky and draining attacks that will weaken me before blizzard and won't affect Germans too much.

As much as I like attacking I am not able to force myself to do it now.


Well, you have managed a couple of nice counterstrokes anyway! Nicely done!

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/26/2012 12:43:55 AM   
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Please bear in mind, that reinforcements were mainly poor quality units. Due to early massive pockets created by super-mobile panzers his infantry didn't fight and was in great shape.


I don't know why he didn't grind me down with his footmen. Red Army was almost broken.


(Turn, Soviet OOB, Losses, German OOB - end of Soviet turn)

1 - 4,196 (0,254) 3,317
2 - 3,803 (0,697) 3,336
3 - 3,848 (0,909) 3,409

4 - 4,106 (1,075) 3,452
5 - 3,983 (1,230) 3,440
6 - 3,773 (1,591) 3,461

7 - 3,709 (1,824) 3,473
8 - 3,604 (1,992) 3,463
9 - 3,880 (2,093) 3,434

10 - 3,863 (2,236) 3,461
11 - 3,914 (2,360) 3,484
12 - 3,843 (2,497) 3,473

13 - 3,920 (2,579) 3,522
14 - 3,898 (2,705) 3,513
15 - 3,930 (2,811) 3,521

16 - 4,075 (2,898) 3,527
17 - 4,035 (3,128) 3,534

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/26/2012 12:48:37 AM   
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No German attack that turn.

I feel confident enough to let myself undertake 2 morale building attacks. Mixed results.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/26/2012 12:50:59 AM   
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Due to lack of determination and limited resources my positions in Crimea can be easily broken. This is gamble.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/26/2012 12:57:55 AM   
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No German attacks and only 1 Soviet - near Moscow. Using inf regiment he occupied hex I won last turn. Free morale boost for me. Weird situation.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/26/2012 12:15:03 PM   
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I remember how cheesed off you used to get when I counter attacked as the Soviets

You could (probably should) have been attacking where he was inactive, especially in the Moscow area.

Lots and lots of potential though for a good winter, as long as he hangs around.

All that territory in the north that you have lost though, its great defensively for him, and he will only have to retreat to the limit of his supply lines.



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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/27/2012 12:14:12 AM   
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I remember how cheesed off you used to get when I counter attacked as the Soviets

You could (probably should) have been attacking where he was inactive, especially in the Moscow area.

Lots and lots of potential though for a good winter, as long as he hangs around.

All that territory in the north that you have lost though, its great defensively for him, and he will only have to retreat to the limit of his supply lines.



Yeah


Thing is You were winning and I am losing what greatly limits my options.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/27/2012 2:48:26 AM   
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Saper finally made his move - my feeble forces in peninsula were brushed aside and encircled Axis units were liberated.

Apart from this counter-stroke nothing happened.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/27/2012 3:06:26 AM   
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My forces are extremely anaemic here - I do not have anything stronger than 1 CV. I doubt anything will happen here.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/27/2012 3:10:10 AM   
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Host gathered around Moscow will strike west and south. These are my best troops so I have high hopes.


Another strike force assembles near Voronezh - weak units (only few 2 CV formations). But terrain will be favourable and I expect him to be weak here.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/27/2012 3:11:50 AM   
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Lots of decent troops so I expect good results.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/27/2012 3:13:21 AM   
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I lost my chance here, but at least he won't be able to use Romanian mountain troops elsewhere.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/27/2012 3:14:18 AM   
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My goal is to bring German army below 3M.

btw, no guard units at the moment.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/27/2012 3:38:02 AM   
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Half a step backwards for Germans.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/27/2012 3:39:52 AM   
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He pulled back troops from most exposed part of bulge.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/27/2012 3:40:43 AM   
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More withdrawals here.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/27/2012 3:41:25 AM   
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Surprisingly I lost only 1 division here.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/27/2012 4:15:30 AM   
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First turn of blizzard.


In the north I am so weak, that nothing can happen, but I am pleased by the fact that his mobile forces are not in winter quarters.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/27/2012 4:18:52 AM   
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First line of forts got breached, but penetration is shallow so there is still plenty of fighting to be done before I can make successful hasty attacks.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/27/2012 4:21:29 AM   
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Weak attacking forces face equally poor enemy units.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/27/2012 4:24:22 AM   
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Major river are still not frozen so part of my front is forced to wait. Rest do their job well.


I managed to herd 1 inf regiment.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/27/2012 4:25:50 AM   
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Without reinforcements I won't be able to achieve anything meaningful here.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/27/2012 8:26:54 AM   
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Most of his troops in the Crimes are toast unless he's got something Panzer related to push you back again.

You can do some real damage here if he hangs around in the centre and south (I doubt he will though)

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/27/2012 12:52:31 PM   
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He's withdrawing from the wrong places if he's pulling out in the north (Ok, it might be supply related)

Most of his troops in the Crimes are toast unless he's got something Panzer related to push you back again.

You can do some real damage here if he hangs around in the centre and south (I doubt he will though)



In Crimea apart from panzers he has Romanian mountain units so inflicting any damage is impossible.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/29/2012 12:21:45 AM   
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In the north and centre Saper stand his ground (apart from minor withdrawal east of Tula). In the south however his retreat is a bit more dynamic. Apart from the fact that he moved up to 3 hexes backwards he managed to remind me that I am far from being invincible - two tanks brigades were beaten.

Unfortunately captured infantry regiment managed to re-establish his route to safety.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/29/2012 2:06:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		That breakthrough northwest of Voroshilovgrad is pretty sweet. Not clear to me why he hung out south of Rostov so long, presumably he already triggered the AG activation.

Imo, you ought to reinforce the Ryazan-Tula area, especially with cav. You can more easily lever him away from Moscow by working the flanks. A cavalry shock army here would do wonders...



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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/29/2012 2:35:24 AM   
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That breakthrough northwest of Voroshilovgrad is pretty sweet. Not clear to me why he hung out south of Rostov so long, presumably he already triggered the AG activation.


What does that mean? Triggered the AG activation?

Also, is there any rumor that there is a patch or change in the wind for the game to reduce the massive carpets of units that currently characterize the game?

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/29/2012 3:14:01 AM   
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Imo, you ought to reinforce the Ryazan-Tula area, especially with cav. You can more easily lever him away from Moscow by working the flanks. A cavalry shock army here would do wonders...



Main attack will be conducted at the base of Tula bulge.

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What does that mean? Triggered the AG activation?



Yes. Another Army Grooup arrives.

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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/29/2012 3:56:45 AM   
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"Mighty" Red Army manages to win two battles. Hurrah.


Ii will be hard to repeat this achievement in the future - NW front lost few more divisions - transferred to Moscow area.




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RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) - 5/29/2012 4:02:50 AM   
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Push west and south-west continues and not without successes - front is less linear now and encircling opportunities should appear soon.


To maintain momentum I have to continue "cannibalising" troops.





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