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DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/22/2012 2:38:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have started in earnest to convert 1920 - 30 Era,into WITP Admirals Edition. I have discovered that WITP AE is hard coded for Dec 7TH 1941 so our dreadnoughts etc will be 20 years in the future,but the 1941 WITP AE will be dumbed down to WAR PLAN ORANGE equipment, everything will use the new WITP AE enviroment though.

GAMERS WILL NEED TO OWN BOTH GAMES IF THIS MOD GETS COMPLETED!

As the screen shot shows everything is at a very early stage of development,I have still to add British devices to the database,and I'm just starting to add the ship classes,starting with British Aircraft carriers,since I can add a great deal more to the game using the Admirals Edition editor,I was thinking of adding ships for Austria,Brazil etc that have never ever appeared in game,please let me know if anyone is interested in playing this scenario when finnished or not,If you are interested it should be complete by Xmas next year 2013,if not interested then it looks like I will be the only one playing the game when finnished.

Due to the size of this new project I will be very very busy behind the scenes working on it,which means I won't be around here much.




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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/23/2012 6:19:16 AM   
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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/23/2012 12:46:05 PM   
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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/24/2012 4:09:21 AM   
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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/24/2012 4:30:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Spectacular work as usual, Kirk. I assume you have to own WITP-AE to play it. I may actually go out and buy it if that's the case!

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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/24/2012 4:30:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Rob yes unfortunately you will have to have a copy off Admirals Edition,not only that but you will need a duplicate install of the game,because my scenario will not be compatible with anything,IE all new art work for aircraft and ships + all new devices database,please bare in mind that this is a mamouth undertaking on my part, and I'm hoping will be complete by Xmas 2013,as you can see from the recent art work posts,the Brazilian navy will be in the game,and I plan to include the Austrian fleet as well,again with all new art work,plus many more aircraft types will have all new art work done.If anyone does buy Admirals Edition which is head and shoulders better than what is available with WAR PLAN ORANGE,and I can heartily recommend the game to everyone,because even without my impending scenario being completed,which with hand on heart will be completed,WITP AE is a superb game.

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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/25/2012 3:07:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Admirals Edition scenario database is progressing very well,I now have the vast majority of the weapons database done,as you can see from this screen shot of the British Aircraft carrier Furious in game data.




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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/25/2012 4:48:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		17 British Carriers are all in game now,just started to add the British Majestic class pre-dreadnoughts.




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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/25/2012 6:12:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well thats all the British pre-dreadnoughts been added to the game now.

King Edward VII class shown in screen shot.





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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/25/2012 6:26:18 AM   
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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/25/2012 6:35:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is another screen shot showing all the British Carriers that are now in the game.




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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/25/2012 3:10:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I'm glad to see the progress that is being made, Kirk. What you're basically creating is a mod of WitP-AE, which parallels WPO's earlier roots. If possible, I'd suggest several scenario variants:

Updated "stock" scenarios, 1922 and 1926
Updated "stock" scenarios plus all the extra goodies you've been making (landing craft, etc)
The grand "Castles of Steel" variant you've put so much effort in.

If someone from Matrix actually happens to come through here sometime between now and never, I don't think you'll run into the same issues that we had last time someone in the community discussed adapting WPO to WitP-AE, since you need to buy the other game in order to run it. Of course, you're basically creating a new game for Matrix, free of charge. I know its a labor of love for you, but it would be nice if they offered you some kind of compensation or at least an acknowledgement for your efforts.

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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/25/2012 4:31:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rob you are spot on,I'm creating a hybrid our beloved Dreadnoughts are being given a chance to see the light off day in the magical world of Admirals Edition,as you say this work is being done for the pure thrill and hell of it,it was a wish that uncle Graham ( HELLFIREJET ) wanted to see,and I want to do it for him.This is a project straight from the heart that I need to do,if you know what I mean.I'm not looking for anything,this is something I actually like doing.As for redoing or converting the stock WAR PLAN ORANGE scenario's to Admirals Edition,I would do it but I don't want to annoy anyone who made WAR PLAN ORANGE in the first place,even althought everything I'm doing is done by me from scratch,including device research for the weapon systems that appear in the game,and off course all the Aircraft and Ship art is mine as well.So as far as I can see it's a win win situation for Matrix games,I do all the hard work and as a spin off they might get new customers buying WAR PLAN ORANGE + WITP AE.

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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/25/2012 4:46:48 PM   
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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/26/2012 5:14:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		All British dreadnoughts have now been added to the game.By the way this scenario is really going to be CASTLES OF STEEL on a massive scale transfered to Admirals Edition.




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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/26/2012 5:32:24 AM   
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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/26/2012 7:48:50 AM   
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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/27/2012 12:51:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have to say that I'm disappointed with the lack of interest about this massive task I'm trying complete with this Admirals Edition conversion,this thread has had over 190 hits,and so far only Connfire has left any comments,at the start of the thread I asked if there was any interest in this project,but sadly that answer appears to be no,well since this is a project that was a dream for my late uncle,I will complete it and hopefully he will be pleased that I took on the challenge.

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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/27/2012 3:52:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		As much as I was happy to hear of your new project, I was also a little disappointed.

I was happy to hear that you were going to continue your super fine work on AE and it sounds, from you, that it is easy to work with. The reason I was disappointed is that I have been staying away from AE (and also WitP) due to micromanagement issues. Historically I don't enjoy playing games where you have to manage every little thing. On top of that, the price tag of AE is too steep for me. So all I am able to do is sit on the fence and cheer you on.

I wish you luck with the new game mod and as always, look forward to seeing your newly released work.

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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/27/2012 4:09:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the feedback,well if WITP AE is not something you fancy with its micro management etc,I suppose I could do another scenario even bigger than CASTLES OF STEEL for the WAR PLAN ORANGE game system,I have been doing a huge amount off research and for the British Aircraft alone I have 42 New aircraft types to add to the game,would that peek your interest more?

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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/27/2012 4:16:25 PM   
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Thanks for the feedback,well if WITP AE is not something you fancy with its micro management etc,I suppose I could do another scenario even bigger than CASTLES OF STEEL for the WAR PLAN ORANGE game system,I have been doing a huge amount off research and for the British Aircraft alone I have 42 New aircraft types to add to the game,would that peek your interest more?


I would for sure be interested in all of the extra goodies that you created and are planning on releasing for WPO!

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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/27/2012 4:20:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well throttle8 I will do another really big scenario with all the new ships ,aircraft that I have been researching for WAR PLAN ORANGE,with an added bonus off dedicating it to you,you could even name the scenario if you like?

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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/27/2012 4:50:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a snipet of some of the new aircraft I'm working on,that should be making an appearance in game shortly.




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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/27/2012 5:29:05 PM   
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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/27/2012 7:29:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Curtiss looks great.

If I could make a suggestion so the guys aren't confused, keep "AE" art in this thread and the art for the actual WPO put in a different thread.

I thank you for the privilege of offering me the opportunity of naming your next big scenario however, I will pass. You are the mastermind behind the great art mods, and I am just happy to be able to use your work.

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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/27/2012 10:39:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok I will start a new thread for the unnamed as yet scenario,and I will bring this thread to a halt,because I think at a latter date when the scenario is nearly ready I will post it in the WITP AE forum.

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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/28/2012 1:22:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry for my absence, Kirk, I've been extraordinarily busy lately.

I've never played AE, though I tend to be a bit of a micro-manager anyway, for better or worse. I do feel that War Plan Orange deserves more attention then it has received. I know that the last time the designer came through this forum, back in 2009 he did not sound as if WPO would be updated any time soon, if ever. Of course, I believe that was before Slitherine paired up with Matrix, so who knows?

I can't say one way or another if I'd like to see a WPO-AE, only because I don't have any experience to reference AE with. I do think the WPO game engine could use some tweaking. If Matrix does indeed not intend to do any updates, then maybe they could expand and update the EDITORS so people like you can have more creative and strategic options beyond adding units, updating the artwork, and trying to trick the AI into being challenging.

Speaking for myself, nearly all of my forum posting activity has been on the WPO message board - it is the only Matrix game I own at this time. Lately I've been checking out other forums. The WitP and WitP-AE guys aren't that much different from us, and there's more of them. There's a general forum section which has a thread which I just posted at for the first time called "Games you just keep playing". Guess which one I voted for? Here's the link - http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2880296

Anyway, I'm probably rambling at this point, which is better then a rant I guess. One more thing, Kirk, even though I simply haven't been in a position to playtest your stuff as often as I'd like to lately, I and others are following your progress. And I have little doubt your scenerios are being played out there. Anyone who likes action-packed, sustained naval gunnery battles ought to give it a shot. But some people are shy about posting - believe it or not I lurked on this board for over a year before I started (and now I won't shut up ) Here's a screenshot I took from Castles of Steel, of Royal Navy pre-dreadnoughts fighting a combined Japanese-German-Italian fleet off Vigan :




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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 6/28/2012 8:11:48 AM   
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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 7/3/2012 1:59:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		There were actually 3 naval clashes in the vicinity of Vigan that night, the screenshot shows the 2nd. I'd say the edge went to the Allies, but with all of the German and Italian ships Japan certainly still has a lot of fight left to it.

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Vigan at 44,49

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso, Shell hits 6, on fire
BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 71, on fire, heavy damage
CA Asama, Shell hits 2
CA Yakumo
DD Kagero
DD Hagi
DD Ashi
DD Sumire
DD Kiri
DD Sugi
CL Dresden
CA Prinz Heirich
DD Insidioso
DD Giacomo Medici
DD Palestro

Allied Ships
BB Queen, Shell hits 1
BB Formidable
BB Irresistable
BB Implacable
BB London
BB Bulwark
BB Venerable
BB Prince of Wales
BB Canopus
BB Albion
BB Glory, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Goliath
BB Ocean
BB Vengeance, Shell hits 2
BB Majestic
BB Caesar
BB Hannibal
BB Illustrious
BB Jupiter
BB Magnificent, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Mars
BB Prince George
BB Victorious
BB Collingwood

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Vigan at 44,49

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Sopwith Pup: 4 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso, Shell hits 10, on fire
BB Yamashiro, and is sunk
CA Asama
CA Yakumo, Shell hits 1
DD Kagero
DD Hagi
DD Ashi
DD Sumire
DD Kiri
DD Sugi, Shell hits 1, on fire
CL Dresden
CA Prinz Heirich
DD Insidioso
DD Giacomo Medici
DD Palestro

Allied Ships
BB Queen, Shell hits 3, on fire
BB Formidable
BB Irresistable
BB Implacable
BB London, Shell hits 1
BB Bulwark
BB Venerable
BB Prince of Wales
BB Canopus, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB Albion
BB Glory, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Goliath, Shell hits 1
BB Ocean
BB Vengeance, on fire
BB Majestic
BB Caesar
BB Hannibal
BB Illustrious
BB Jupiter
BB Magnificent, on fire
BB Mars
BB Prince George, Torpedo hits 1
BB Victorious
BB Collingwood

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Night Time Surface Combat at 45,47

Japanese Ships
BB Settsu, Shell hits 23, on fire, heavy damage
CA Tokiwa, Shell hits 1, on fire
CL Elbing, Shell hits 4
CA Freya, Shell hits 12, on fire, heavy damage
CA Friedrich Carl, Shell hits 29, on fire, heavy damage
BC Seydlitz, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Intrepido
DD Giuseppe Cesare Abb, on fire, heavy damage
DD Pilade Bronzetti, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
DD Antonio Mosto
DD Ippolito Nievo
DD Giuseppe La Masa
DD Angelo Bassini, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Giacinto Carini
DD Giuseppe La Farina

Allied Ships
BB Queen Elizabeth
BB Warspite
BB Royal Sovereign, Shell hits 3
BB Ramilles, Shell hits 1
BB Resolution
BB Revenge, Shell hits 3
BB Royal Oak
BB Canada
BB Agincourt, Shell hits 2
BB Erin
BB Iron Duke, Shell hits 1
BB Emperor of India
BB Benbow
BB Marlborough
BB King George V
BB Audacious
BB Ajax
BB Centurion
BB Orion
BB Conqueror
BB Thunderer
BB Monarch
BB Colossus
BB Hercules
BB Neptune

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RE: DREADNOUGHTS IN THE PACIFIC SCENARIO - 7/3/2012 8:49:04 AM   
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