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RE: Back from London - 11/7/2012 2:35:21 PM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 25, 42

A good day.
Yesterday we spotted what was reported to be a convoy of 6 TKs near CookTown. Our recon showed no more fighters were there present (only 17 at Portland Roads in the whole northeast Oz), so we decided to strike.
A Sentai of Zekes, starting from Lae, swept the empty skies of Cooktown, followed by 22 G3M3s escorted by 25 Oscars IIa. Another unescorted wave of Nells arrived in the afternoon... The TKs prooved to be only small xAKLs... all 6 were sunk for no losses on my side... well, not a big victory, but i hope it will help to keep Brad well aware of the dangers of this area. Even if i don't throw away waves of my bombers, that doesn't mean i don't have the heart to use them when i think i'll get some results

More enemy TFs are spotted at Exmouth... i can bet my own balls something is up there... i'm hurring up to transfer as much assets as possible towards Timor...but i fear i won't get there in time anyway :-(

In China we had a field day! The first tank division had its baptism of fire with the 12th Army...and it did wonders! The enemy, even if a very weak one, was defeated 20-1!
In the meanwhile, the 11th Army got a 3-1 south of Kweiyang

Now, with the assembling of the 2nd Tank division only a couple of weeks ahead, i'm thinking of transfering also the Guards Tank Division to China from Java and create a Tank Army...but, maybe, it's not worth the effort in China by now... i better keep that big unit to guard Java....

I'm retiring to the Kuriles the Northern Sub Flottilla... nothing much else to gain in NOPAC, except being sunk by escorts...

Now R&D question: is it worth to reasearch the Judy2 once the Judy1 comes online, or it's better to skip directly to the Judy3 (which, however, changes the engine to the HA-33) ?

Still no signs of enemy CVs....

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Ground combat at 78,48 (near Chihkiang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 32659 troops, 418 guns, 615 vehicles, Assault Value = 1038

Defending force 23278 troops, 112 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 563

Japanese adjusted assault: 798

Allied adjusted defense: 39

Japanese assault odds: 20 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
418 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 41 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled

Allied ground losses:
9868 casualties reported
Squads: 275 destroyed, 103 disabled
Non Combat: 266 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 8 (8 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
9th Armored Car Co
1st Tank Division
68th Division
15th Division
2nd Tank Regiment
4th Mortar Battalion
2nd Mortar Battalion
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
12th Army
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion

Defending units:
74th Chinese Corps
78th Chinese Corps
39th Group Army

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Ground combat at 75,50 (near Tuyun)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 26642 troops, 324 guns, 271 vehicles, Assault Value = 1273

Defending force 26171 troops, 139 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 401

Japanese adjusted assault: 727

Allied adjusted defense: 202

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
470 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 17 (4 destroyed, 13 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
7480 casualties reported
Squads: 143 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 285 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 21 (20 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Units retreated 10

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
17th Tank Regiment
36th Division
3rd Division
22nd Division
4th Tank Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
11th Army
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
21st Mortar Battalion
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
2nd Prov Chinese Corps
60th Chinese/B Corps
79th Chinese/B Corps
87th Chinese Corps
62nd Chinese Corps
9th Prov Chinese Corps
53rd Chinese Corps
46th Chinese Corps
79th Chinese/C Corps
50th Chinese Corps
30th Group Army

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RE: Back from London - 11/7/2012 5:45:59 PM

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Rather than have many bases garrisoned with a full division, I would have that division at a major port with sufficient fast transports (14 spd or above) to be able to reinforce a troubled area. Places like Truk and Singapore for starters and more to come later when troops become available from China.

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RE: Back from London - 11/7/2012 6:27:21 PM

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Rather than have many bases garrisoned with a full division, I would have that division at a major port with sufficient fast transports (14 spd or above) to be able to reinforce a troubled area. Places like Truk and Singapore for starters and more to come later when troops become available from China.

Hi micheal,

yes, you're right and that was my first idea. But there are several problems to solve:

1. the americans can appear out of nowhere and you need to have enough time to load your troops at the Hub base, gain air and naval superiority over the targetted base, travel, arrive and unload... how many days? Even without APA/AKAs the yankees have enough ships to load each division in a 100 shipsTF...so to unload in one day.

2. with the stacking limit map you have very strict limits. For example Rabaul only holds 45,000 men, truk 25,000... in the Marshalls only Tarawa and Makin can get more than 6,000 men! You need to place reinforcements in far away places, like Kusiae or Ponape...
At these pacific bases, most of the space is already occupied by AAs, HQs, Base forces, engineers, naval engineers etc etc...
At Timor it's the same... Koepang can hold 45,000 men...Roti the same... It's hard to say where to place your fast reinforcements.

So the idea is to strongly garrison only the must-have bases, while keeping anyway some decent fast-reserves.

But it's tough to balance your defence as Japan...really really tough

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RE: Back from London - 11/7/2012 8:15:14 PM

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You must be thinking of other bases GJ. Truk's limit is 60,000 and Rabaul is unlimited in Scenario 1 - did they change it in your scenario?
You could also consider unlimited Ponape, between Truk and the Gilberts and close to the Solomons.

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RE: Back from London - 11/7/2012 9:42:10 PM

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You must be thinking of other bases GJ. Truk's limit is 60,000 and Rabaul is unlimited in Scenario 1 - did they change it in your scenario?
You could also consider unlimited Ponape, between Truk and the Gilberts and close to the Solomons.

Sorry mate, but in DBB with the stacking limit map. Truk's limit is 25,000 and Rabaul's 45k. Ponape and Kusiae 35,000. PM is 45,000 and 40,000 is Lunga. In China we're experiencing the same problems: most of the hexes go from 20,000 to 50,000, while only in plains terrains you see some 90,000 limit

DBB with stacking limits It's a brand new game

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RE: Back from London - 11/8/2012 3:04:46 AM

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Wow - those limits really do ...errr ...limit you!

Once again I am awed by your guts to take on the difficult Japanese economy AND the DBB scenario all in one go!

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RE: Back from London - 11/8/2012 3:29:52 AM

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GreyJoy, what's the VP total look like now?

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RE: Back from London - 11/8/2012 11:01:47 AM

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GreyJoy, what's the VP total look like now?

it's 2-1 in japan's favour. Not good, i know...

Sep 26, 42

Brad is defenetly too fast for me. A great invasion sailed today from Exmouth, positioning 4 hexes NW of Port Hedland. Not less than 300 a/c are now placed at Exmouth. CVs are for sure lingering somewhere unseen. I'm late, as always. The 6th Guards Division prepped for Broome is still sitting at Manila, waiting for the needed transports. The Singapore Surface fleet is moving to Sosarbaja... but won't be there in time. Very few air groups can be transfered at Broome or at Timor in time to be able to interdict the enemy's landings. I only have 3 subs in that area... damn.

He keeps on unbalancing me... he knows i cannot defend everywhere and he keeps on attacking on every damn corner of the map...and, despite my runs, i always arrive too late.

I arrived late for Addak. I arrived late for Baker. I arrived late for Amchitka and now i'm arriving late (or not arriving at all) for Port Hedland.

Once Port Hedland falls (will be a matter of 3 days from now probably), it will be a downhill slope for my northern Oz territories. Now i have to decide weather it's wise or not to try to hold Broome... Should i waste a division there? Should i waste my very scarse resources (especially supplies) to defend there? Should i counterattack at port Hedland? With what? Should i still send the KB in those waters?

What would a wise japanese player do?

I haven't been able so far to contest any of his advances...and we're still in 1942!

Oh, another bad news. AO Daiei Maru, one of the few fast AOs i have, was sailing with its replenishment TF (the KB's one!) near the Mariannas. Everything was fine. No subs contacts. Nothing strange to report.... Near Saipan, suddenly, it sunk!!!!
I only got this message: "Fires out of control, AO Daiei Maru can not be saved"...no collision reported, no previous damages....nothing.... the fire simply lit up and the loaded ship went beneath the waves in a click

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RE: Back from London - 11/8/2012 11:41:34 AM

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Ouch. Weird occurrence with the AO. Was it a fire-breathing Kraken?

He is quick! If he's committing here and wants to get Port Hedland, you could counter. It's still early for him to be able to dictate the balance on the oceans. I would advise trying to hold in West OZ as long as possible, even at the cost of troops, unless you feel your defenses are ready in the SRA. The longer it takes the more air groups and trips you'll have elsewhere. As long as he doesn't know where you're basing the KB he can't move at will yet.

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RE: Back from London - 11/8/2012 12:23:27 PM

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Ouch. Weird occurrence with the AO. Was it a fire-breathing Kraken?

He is quick! If he's committing here and wants to get Port Hedland, you could counter. It's still early for him to be able to dictate the balance on the oceans. I would advise trying to hold in West OZ as long as possible, even at the cost of troops, unless you feel your defenses are ready in the SRA. The longer it takes the more air groups and trips you'll have elsewhere. As long as he doesn't know where you're basing the KB he can't move at will yet.

Counter? You mean counterinvade? Or simply fight for Keep Port Hedland shut? How to? I only have one base force at broome. To succesfully fight for Port Hedland i'd need to move severals base forces, Air HQs, supplies, fuel, support ships etc to broome... and it all takes time! Moreover, once at Broome, i have no retreat from there. He could easily bomb it to submission with his 4Es from Exmouth and, once the AF is shut, how can i resupply and move back my units stuck there?

Counterinvade...well...i have no troops prepped for Port Hedland...and we know that Japan cannot even think to counterinvade anything if it hasn't 100% preparation. Plus i'd be in range of 2 great enemy bases (Carnavon and Exmouth)...

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RE: Back from London - 11/8/2012 1:57:21 PM

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GJ, is there a chance that the AO was bombed by search aircraft? They sometimes attack subs with bombs, so why not an AO? You would only see an entry in the Operations Report saying the search aircraft was sighted over the TF, or perhaps an increase in the DL of the TF. I don't know where his nearest base is but some of the Liberators can search out 30 hexes.

Or, if your TF was in a shallow water hex, maybe a sub mined it? There would only be the mine sound during the combat replay and a short entry in the combat report to show that.

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RE: Back from London - 11/8/2012 3:05:10 PM

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While we decide if to send reinforcements to northern oz or not, the enemy doesn't wait. A great invasion fleet arrived at Port Hedland and landed the 41st US Division. BC Repulse and several CLs are reported escorting the fleet.
I sent in everything i had from Koepang. Nearly 120 Netties and 40 Zeros from Broome. The results were HORRIBLE. A Tragedy for the IJNAF.
38 Betties are shot down by a cloud of P-38s on LRCAP mission. 30 more zeros evaporate at their first contact with the enemy. 15 Nells never returned. 40 crack pilots lost for only 5 P-38s and 4 torpedoes scored (on two damned xAKLs delivering supplies and on two, already empty xAPs). Not a single hit on the Battleships.
The enemy is already ashore in good shape. Tomorrow the base will fall and my air forces in the area are too tired, too low morale and too depleted now to sustain a second day of battle. We've lost. Already lost.

But i am to blame here. I knew he would have come. I've been reconning Exmouth for ages now and spotted all those ships and seen all those fighters. I just thought i could have more time. I thought he would need all those AP/AKs to be transfered from NOPAC...while he went with simple xAPs and xAKs... and he was bold enough to risk that i was waiting for him well prepared...while i was not.

And now? Where to find the Air units to defend this piece of real estate? Where do i find the Tojos i need to sweep Port Hedland and the Helens to bomb it to dust? Where do i find the base forces to be sent to Broome to sustain such an air force? Strip them from Burma, you'll say. And so let him bomb me to submission there? No way. Burma is too important and my air force there is the only thing that keeps him honest. and i'm already pressed there, with his armies advancing...

I think in 1943 we'll be fighting for the DEI...that's what i think....

Morning Air attack on TF, near Port Hedland at 57,129

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 12

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Ic x 3
P-38E Lightning x 6
P-38F Lightning x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 5 destroyed, 4 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CL Caradoc
BC Repulse

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Port Hedland at 57,129

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
G3M3 Nell x 31
G4M1 Betty x 15

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Ic x 3
P-38E Lightning x 3
P-38F Lightning x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAKL Sipirok
xAP Rohna
DD John D. Ford
PC Bingera
DM Ramsay
CL Caradoc
xAKL Parigi
xAP Takliwa
xAP Chilka, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAP Marella
xAKL Sipora, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Port Hedland at 57,129

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 62 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 18

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Ic x 3
P-38E Lightning x 1
P-38F Lightning x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAP Marella
xAP Kinta
xAP Tjinegara
CL Caradoc
AMC Corfu

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Port Hedland at 57,129

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 8

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Ic x 3
P-38E Lightning x 5
P-38F Lightning x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 5 destroyed

No Allied losses
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Port Hedland at 57,129

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 29
G4M1 Betty x 10

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Ic x 2
P-38E Lightning x 3
P-38F Lightning x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAKL Parigi, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AMC Corfu, Bomb hits 1
xAKL Schouten, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAP Van Landsberge
xAP Van der Lijn
PC Bingera
xAP Talma
CL Caradoc

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Port Hedland at 57,129

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 61 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 18

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Ic x 1
P-38E Lightning x 1
P-38F Lightning x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 7 destroyed, 8 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
BC Repulse
CA Chester

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RE: Back from London - 11/8/2012 3:40:34 PM

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Sorry but sending the LBA on its own was a folly...

Now it is septembre 42 you CANNOT let him dictate the tempo that early. You should counterattack. Get everything you have, ie SAGs, CAGs, troops and just smack him good !

In late 42 the Allies are brittle, apparent immediate strength is very fragile. it is a question of being determined to strike and going for it hard.

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RE: Back from London - 11/8/2012 3:42:21 PM

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GJ,

Perhaps you are using to many groups on training or something? From what I have seen in my game vs. Erik he could outmatch the allies in sheer numbers of AC with a margin in 42. You need to start attrition him. Allied fighter pools are really fragile and a few good sweeps can completely dry them up. This happened to me on at least two occasions in 42. I had no army fighters left in the pool at all. Erik used sweeps in Burma with huge amounts of Tojos. We had a HR for altitude though that meant he could go in above my CAP. Don�t remember if you guys have any altitude HRs. I lost some 50 fighters per sweep at times. It was very effective.

The Tojo is far superior to anything the allied get besides the P38 and I really think you need to take advantage of the "Tojo" period.

I think Q-ball has gained a psychological advantage over you! A feisty little counter attack somewhere will do wonders for your confidence I think!

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RE: Back from London - 11/8/2012 6:37:34 PM

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Sorry but sending the LBA on its own was a folly...

Now it is septembre 42 you CANNOT let him dictate the tempo that early. You should counterattack. Get everything you have, ie SAGs, CAGs, troops and just smack him good !

In late 42 the Allies are brittle, apparent immediate strength is very fragile. it is a question of being determined to strike and going for it hard.

Well, i had more than 40 zeros on LRCAP missions...but they simply died like flies against his LRCAP. 38 vs 5...quite a bad ratio.

Yes, was folly probably. But i hoped his LRCAP would have been much less effective at 6 hexes of distance...while it was simply perfect! Also the very bad weather didn't help my bombers...quite a few went in with the sacrifice of the zeros but none was able to score a decisive blow.

Also to Joc:

Yes, Brad is clearly teaching me how to play the allies. Hit and run, gain positions and avoid the KB. He's clearly more skilled than me and he clearly knows all the weaknesses of the japanese army. I'm doing the same old mistake of the unexperienced people: i tend to play thinking that QBall played as i would play as the allies...while he clearly does not!

He has done incredibly well all over the map, with the only exception of the early china.

And i really don't know where do all the other japanese players find all those air groups to be able to push the allies so far (and, as you may know, i've experienced it on my own skin against Rader). I only have 1/4 of my air groups on training missions. Far less than the perfect 1/3 ratio. But i have 250 fighters operating in Burma, more 70 in China and the rest divided between Singapore, SRA/DEI and the Pacific (included 27 zeros operating in the Kuriles).

I don't wanna strip all the other theatres from my forces. It would be both unhistorical and unwise imho. QBall has shown a great ability to attack all over the map, always unseen, always unbalancing me. I don't wanna get caught everywhere with my pants down.

And Tojos? Yes, for sure...but to sweep you need supplies (to be able to use drop tanks) and in Burma supplies are like Gold! Remember that in this scenario Japan is short of more than 4500 supplies daily! and that you have to ship every single supply ton all over from Japan! To Burma, to Singa, to Sumatra, to Borneo, to the Pacific etc etc....

I'll try to do my best to slow him at Port Hedland. I have 3 BBs coming down from Singapore, along with 6 CLs and 3 CAs arriving. A division is being loaded now at Manila and another one at Cebu as we speak. More planes will be transfered from the Pacific and from Singapore... but i know it will be too late. how much time do the allies take to get a strip operative in a 0 (6) AF? ...i can tell you: a week, probably less. Once his P-38s and P-40s are stationed there...my only option will be naval bombing.... but to operate BBs i need a decent port with AKEs, supplies, naval support and lots of fuel... The closest port is Koepang (lvl 3) with an AKE...but only 5,000 fuel... It's an already lost battle imho. However, in the spirit of Bushido, i'll do it.

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RE: Back from London - 11/8/2012 6:47:47 PM

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Q-Ball is a terrific player, but you've done very well too. I can't imagine a player fairly new to the game and totally new to Japan taking on the role as Japan and doing very credibly. Had I done what you're doing, GJ, the economy would be in shambles and 90% of my BBs and CVs would have gone under by 6/42. You're donig very well.

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RE: Back from London - 11/8/2012 7:12:32 PM

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Q-Ball is a terrific player, but you've done very well too. I can't imagine a player fairly new to the game and totally new to Japan taking on the role as Japan and doing very credibly. Had I done what you're doing, GJ, the economy would be in shambles and 90% of my BBs and CVs would have gone under by 6/42. You're donig very well.

+1 , and I would add that your first game against Rader you were a real newbie, not knowing how to use all the game features or how to set up your forces for best attack and defence. He took advantage of that to make his huge gains at the beginning of the game but as the game went on you slowed him, hit back and stopped him cold. Then you took the initiative back and used what you learned to undo all of his gains. Point is, looking at Rader's gains against you as a new player is not a fair comparison to yourself [still fairly new] taking on Q-ball. Don't be so hard on yourself!

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RE: Back from London - 11/8/2012 10:10:25 PM

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thx for the kind words dan and BBfanboy, even if i think they aren't that deserved this time. Strategically i am not unexperienced anymore and, despite that, i already managed to get caught 4 times with my pants down. I knew what were my weak spots but i was too slow to move. Too slow, since the beginning. I haven't finished to conquer the whole PI!

But i don't dispair. My goal, in this match, isn't to win. I wanna play with the goal in mind to last as long as possible and to keep my armies in decent shape untill as far as i can. Northern Oz? Well, Japan in RL lasted untill august 1945 without having it...can't i do the same having it lost in august 1942? I think so.
Japan, by september 1942, was already bleeding itself at Guadalcanal. I am not. Not yet anyway. So yes, i think i'll do well considering my objectives. But i have to keep my mind focused. Port Hedland in allieds' hands is a problem, sure. But i don't wanna bleed me to death for a not-key place. It's too far away from any of my major base and we've just seen what happens to Japanese Air army when you send it to fight for far away places....like Rabaul with Guadalcanal in RL.
No. Let's keep the calm. Let's keep to reinforce my perimeter. And let's look for a decent chance to fight him at my terms

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RE: Back from London - 11/9/2012 11:29:56 AM

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28 sep 1942

So the enemy conquered easily Port Hedland. 600 AVs against a single distrupted SNLF... 2 of my subs duded on two retiring xAPs...damn! And now the Repulse TF is moving to bomb Broome... My Netties were grounded today. No point in making new easily enemy's pilot aces.

One of my APDs has been torpedoed and sunk by a ducth subs near the Bonins...

In China the enemy foolishly counterattacked at Kweyiang and got a bloody 1-5. In few days we'll attack

with a full 50,000 men army.

In Burma he's getting into position to attack on three different fronts. I need to hold the ground here!

2 Divisions are moving to Northern Oz now. Several combat groups, fuel and supply convoys and a lot of air groups have been redirected to Timor. We'll fight!

A6M3a entered into production. Will produce 90 of them for the moment.

The KB is moving to Babeldolap with full components. Several subs popped up in the Truk-Rabaul-Ponape area.... they have been absent for some weeks and now, all of a sudden, not less than 15 enemy subs are spotted in those waters... I bet he wants to have a clue where my KB is and maybe hope in a lucky shot...

My KB is prooceding in the following manner: 1 ASWTF composed of 4 DDs with great leader's skills, followed by a surface TF (Yamato group), followed by an ASW TF, followed by 2 CVTFs.
KB's replenishment group has been divided and will proceed separately. One towards Souther seas and one towards Southern DEI.

I'm still reinforcing the Marshalls (Kusiae and Ponape just got a couple of SNLF units each) and am sending 2 garrison units to the Solomons and New Guinea.
The major units will be moved to DEI asap.

Overall, i still think my defences aren't that bad.

The only major problem i have now is the lack of IJN pilots. The pools are empty and i'm seriously thinking of moving away from the front a couple of 45-planes units in order to save some front line fighter pilots (saving them for better planes).

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RE: Back from London - 11/9/2012 11:47:37 AM

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The only major problem i have now is the lack of IJN pilots. The pools are empty and i'm seriously thinking of moving away from the front a couple of 45-planes units in order to save some front line fighter pilots (saving them for better planes).

What I do - (which you may find gamey) is to unload a CV like Akagi (size 81) Fly in a unit resize it and then run a turn. Voila - 81 plane unit to split and train

I do it for DB, F & TB units. Same for my FP / FF units with CS's

[edit] Can't have a resize limitation on the unit...

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RE: Back from London - 11/9/2012 11:56:45 AM

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Constant problem with pilots for IJN fighter groups. Only in late 43 does it look like enough groups arrive to really get adequate training, and that is only if I don't bring them forward to fill in needed areas.

One thing I will mention. I know you're trying to keep things real and have groups stationed in plausible locations even if they are not threatened. I started doing this, ten realized that my air groups sitting the Marshalls were just not doing anything for me. The Allies were certainly concentrating their forces, and so that made me eventually look around and see what I was not using. Now I have a system by which I at least rotate out crushed groups from forward areas and they go sit in the areas to the rear that are not being involved in action. You may already have a similar situation worked out.

Your mod makes it really tough to fight back as you want to I'm sure. I get why you have to think conservatively even so early. As you say, this is not so bad. He will still have to be very bold to go forward from OZ any time soon. The jump from OZ to New Guinea though, is fairly easy, as I've recently found out. That would be the area I'd get solidified.

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RE: Back from London - 11/9/2012 1:57:13 PM

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Logistics....Logistics....Logistics....

The most important area for you to fight with a well thought out plan is in the SRA, IMO. That means shifting forces to Timor and the bases between there and Java. Look for a second wave to come from the NE corner of Australia. That means Port Moresby and Horn Island will be on the menu real soon.

He will want access to the Torres Straits to retake all of Northern Australia. If I remember right, he took back this area against CuttleFish in one of the first games played when AE was just released. Losing control of the eastern Pacific will not effect your economy. Losing Timor will.

I would start to use PP to buy out some damaged brigades from China to send down here to begin garrison duty. Look for those that may have more components coming in as reinforcements later to build up to a full division. You may need to slow down the tempo of your offense in China and ship some of that supply down here. Since he now has Port Hedland and probably soon Broome and Derby along with Cocos Island, then that whole area is at risk.

My game has slowed down and we are now 6 weeks plus behind you, but the Americans have significant number of BF, construction engineer units that he can build up a base and move in aircraft relatively quickly.

The Americans have: three Marine divisions (his elite troops), 40 Div, 27 Div, 41 Div, Americal Div, 32 Div, and 10x infantry regiments. Some needed PP to buy out, but he probably has most of them available.

Take your time, think through how, and where you will defend. You can still inflict serious pain on him.

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RE: Back from London - 11/9/2012 6:26:58 PM

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Logistics....Logistics....Logistics....

The most important area for you to fight with a well thought out plan is in the SRA, IMO. That means shifting forces to Timor and the bases between there and Java. Look for a second wave to come from the NE corner of Australia. That means Port Moresby and Horn Island will be on the menu real soon. He will want access to the Torres Straits to retake all of Northern Australia. If I remember right, he took back this area against CuttleFish in one of the first games played when AE was just released. Losing control of the eastern Pacific will not effect your economy. Losing Timor will.

I would start to use PP to buy out some damaged brigades from China to send down here to begin garrison duty. Look for those that may have more components coming in as reinforcements later to build up to a full division. You may need to slow down the tempo of your offense in China and ship some of that supply down here. Since he now has Port Hedland and probably soon Broome and Derby along with Cocos Island, then that whole area is at risk.

My game has slowed down and we are now 6 weeks plus behind you, but the Americans have significant number of BF, construction engineer units that he can build up a base and move in aircraft relatively quickly.

The Americans have: three Marine divisions (his elite troops), 40 Div, 27 Div, 41 Div, Americal Div, 32 Div, and 10x infantry regiments. Some needed PP to buy out, but he probably has most of them available.

Take your time, think through how, and where you will defend. You can still inflict serious pain on him.

Yes Micheal. I agree. I'm already sending several big units to Timor (which is already well defended imho, having not less than 5 bases at level 4 AF minimum, 2 Air HQs and a couple of regiments). 2 Divisions are arriving. More Bdes are starting to prep in China. My problem now is PPs...i never have enough to buy anything big. In this scenario the japanese Aviation support and Engineers are halved, so i had to spend a HUGE amount of PPs to buy out all the possible base forces i could find and constr. units. Then i had to buy all the artillery and tanks i needed for China (with stacking limits, the artillery has a great role).
Till now i managed to buy out only 2 divisions and a couple of regiments. Then i had to spend PPs to recombine the 55th Division and the 1st and 2nd tank division, plus a guards division.... so i'm very very short.

BTW yes, seeing what Joc has being doing with Obvert, i've ordered the 56th Division to be sent to PM and the 18th Garrison Bde to Terapo. More units are bound for Buna, Lae and Mylne Bay. I just need some time to do this all... and Brad, as we've seen, doesn't wait!

Damian: i've more than doubled the FP units. I think it's enough...don't wanna abuse too much the game engine. However, Erik, yes, i'm doing the same as you. I'm keeping the best units in the critical areas, while those who need rest and training are standing in less critical theatres...

3 fuel covoys and 1 supply convoy are already moving to timor and Macassar. I'm building Kendari and Macassar as backup ports for my southern DEI perimeter.

Hollandia reached AF lvl 4 and port lvl 3. Good. In a couple of weeks i'll be building Wewak and Biak.

It seems we've finally sunk a couple of subs with our ASW air units... Yes!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 30, 42
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ASW attack near Palmyra at 164,131

Japanese Ships
SS I-18

Allied Ships
APD Lawrence
xAP General Fleisher
xAP Ruth Alexander
xAP Santa Maria
xAK Jefferson Myers
xAK Iron Baron

mmmmmmmmmmmm............ this is the second big AP convoy that is sailing from PH to the southern seas.... gotta hurry up!!!!

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Night Naval bombardment of Broome at 62,127

Allied Ships
BC Repulse
CA Chester
CA Northampton
CL St. Louis
DD Jupiter
DD Isis
DD Foxhound
DD Fortune
DD Banckert
DD Evertsen
DD Dunlap

Japanese ground losses:
195 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 45
Port hits 25
Port supply hits 4

Couldn't do anything to save Broome....

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Ground combat at 80,40 (near Kienko)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 42415 troops, 458 guns, 294 vehicles, Assault Value = 1216

Defending force 31834 troops, 230 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 723

Japanese adjusted assault: 1357

Allied adjusted defense: 691

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1346 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 110 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Vehicles lost 47 (4 destroyed, 43 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1552 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 149 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 37 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 27 (3 destroyed, 24 disabled)

Assaulting units:
15th Tank Regiment
13th Tank Regiment
63rd Division
13th Division
26th Division
1st Army
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
24th Chinese Corps
29th Chinese Corps
14th Chinese Corps
41st Chinese Corps
15th Group Army
57th AT Gun Regiment

This is the 4th 1-1 in this hex in a row...the chinese are holding their ground with fangs and nails!

two more indian divisions are advancing towards Katha....in Burma.... damn! sending one more division to reinforce the central front

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RE: Back from London - 11/9/2012 6:52:03 PM

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How is your supply in Tokyo now? Have you gotten over the hump and begun to start accumulating supply there?

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RE: Back from London - 11/10/2012 12:06:59 PM

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How is your supply in Tokyo now? Have you gotten over the hump and begun to start accumulating supply there?

Not really. I keep on sending supply convoys everywhere, so the supply levels in Japan is stable at 600k and it's not going to grow in the nearby future. Maybe once the China offensive stops, i'll be able to do so.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 01, 42

October begins very bad for the Empire. In China we got 2 bad bloody noses where i didn't expect.

At Kweyiang the enemy stops us behind 4 forts and our divisions weren't able to lower those damned fortifications and got a 1-2.

On the mountains near Sian, i wanted to clear my flanks and push back 3 enemy units that were supposed to be completely out of supplies for more than one months... 2 reinforced divisions got a horrible result and are now badly mauled.

The whole front has stabilized again. Brad managed to stop me cold once again...and with all those respwaning units with 250 AVs, i don't see how can i ever get rid of the chinese with the stacking limits map.

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Pre-Invasion action off Tandjoengselor (68,92)

22 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
PB Fukuei Maru
PB Tsukikawa Maru
PB America Maru
PB Tatebu Maru
PB Ayaha Maru
PB Toshi Maru #2
SC Ch 21
SC Ch 16
xAK Taizan Maru
E Uruyame

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

We landed in this base south of Kendari, which is the last enemy base supporting catalinas in the DEI....

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Amphibious Assault at Tandjoengselor (68,92)

TF 76 troops unloading over beach at Tandjoengselor, 68,92

Japanese ground losses:
337 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 39 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (0 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 10 (0 destroyed, 10 disabled)

12 troops of a SNLF HMG Section lost in surf during unload of 14th Nav Gd

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Ground combat at Kweiyang (74,49)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 41485 troops, 418 guns, 263 vehicles, Assault Value = 1254

Defending force 40560 troops, 145 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 941

Japanese adjusted assault: 832

Allied adjusted defense: 1017

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 4)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
975 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 144 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 13 (1 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Vehicles lost 26 (2 destroyed, 24 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1257 casualties reported
Squads: 46 destroyed, 40 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 6 (3 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Assaulting units:
39th Division
3rd Division
22nd Division
17th Tank Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th Army
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
60th Chinese/B Corps
13th Chinese Corps
94th Chinese Corps
46th Chinese Corps
84th Chinese Corps
67th Chinese Corps
79th Chinese/C Corps
2nd Prov Chinese Corps
20th Chinese Base Force
1st Group Army
30th Group Army
79th Chinese/B Corps

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Ground combat at 81,41 (near Ankang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 26953 troops, 160 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 773

Defending force 32885 troops, 114 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 987

Japanese adjusted assault: 422

Allied adjusted defense: 1036

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3236 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 435 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 31 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 25 (2 destroyed, 23 disabled) DAMN!

Allied ground losses:
381 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 68 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

Assaulting units:
9th Ind.Mixed Brigade
69th Division
59th Division

Defending units:
1st Chinese Corps
59th Chinese Corps
34th Group Army

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Ground combat at Tandjoengselor (68,92)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 795 troops, 9 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 24

Defending force 3794 troops, 8 guns, 43 vehicles, Assault Value = 155

Assaulting units:
VII KNIL Battalion
Tarakan Base Force

Defending units:
8th Tank Rgt /1
14th Nav Gd /1
Sasebo 3rd SNLF /1
86th Nav Gd /1
15th Nav Gd /1

In few days we'll send more 100k supplies to Burma and, possibly, another Bde....

I'm pretty concerned about China. Their ability to keep on holding, despite the consecutive retreats, really astonish me

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RE: Back from London - 11/10/2012 12:52:35 PM

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Not really. I keep on sending supply convoys everywhere, so the supply levels in Japan is stable at 600k and it's not going to grow in the nearby future. Maybe once the China offensive stops, i'll be able to do so.

Ha! Mine has never been to 600k in Tokyo!

Even in later 43 I'm at around 350k most of the time, with a peak of around 500k a few months ago. There are a lot of mouths to feed!

So it looks like you're doing very well with supply, especially for this mod. They way you sound sometimes I get the idea every frontline base is in the red!

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RE: Back from London - 11/10/2012 1:01:31 PM

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Not really. I keep on sending supply convoys everywhere, so the supply levels in Japan is stable at 600k and it's not going to grow in the nearby future. Maybe once the China offensive stops, i'll be able to do so.

Ha! Mine has never been to 600k in Tokyo!

Even in later 43 I'm at around 350k most of the time, with a peak of around 500k a few months ago. There are a lot of mouths to feed!

So it looks like you're doing very well with supply, especially for this mod. They way you sound sometimes I get the idea every frontline base is in the red!

Burma has less than 60k supplies left, Sumatra (and i mean the WHOLE sumatra), less than 20k. Java 50k and Timor 80k. These aren't decent levels, cause, as soon as the fightings will begin, supplies are going to get dry very soon!

600k Not in Tokyo...i meant in the whole Japan!!!!!!

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RE: Back from London - 11/10/2012 1:05:26 PM

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Oh. That is very different. Yes.

Tough mod. I'm glad you're playing t and not me!

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RE: Back from London - 11/10/2012 1:13:29 PM

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Oh. That is very different. Yes.

Tough mod. I'm glad you're playing t and not me!

Yes, but it gives you way better the sense of desperation Japan must have felt during the war. You're short of everything everywhere! Also the supply shortage means that you have to save a lot of supplies from the R&D programs and from every operative operations. Too many air missions and your bases will be out of supplies very soon. Also you cannot build too many bases...you have to decide what to do and always make choices. I like it, but i have to face the fact that the allies will be much more stronger earlier than in an usual stock scenario

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RE: Back from London - 11/10/2012 2:56:15 PM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 02, 42

Seems that the whole RN is in NW Oz!!!!

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 142,94, Range 10,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
AMC Gokoku Maru, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
PG Sacramento, Shell hits 2
xAK Mahimahi, Shell hits 13, heavy fires, heavy damage

These are picket ships near Wake....

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Submarine attack near Port Hedland at 57,128

Japanese Ships
SS I-156, hits 17, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Ramillies, Torpedo hits 1
BB Royal Sovereign
BB Revenge
BB Valiant
DD Bagley
DD Patterson
DD Helm
BB Resolution

5 Damned BB!!!!!!?!?!??!?!? Com'on....

...Ramille hit a fish but she seems to be pretty safe... the I-156 pays with its own life the bravery of this shallow waters attack

... Never tought Brad could have all this naval power in this area... I bet those bastards will come to raid Broome very soon...and i have nothing to oppose them

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Sub attack near Port Hedland at 57,128

Japanese Ships
SS I-155

Allied Ships
xAP Van Spilbergen
AM Tanager

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Submarine attack near Port Hedland at 56,128

Japanese Ships
SS I-32

Allied Ships
xAP Tjinegara, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

If only the KB was nearby....

There are so many ships between Exmouth and Port Hedland....

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