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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 6:59:31 PM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 7:00:34 PM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 7:03:28 PM   
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I backed up about 50 feet for this shot. The friend you see on the right standing at the fence was just a bit right of where camera location 1 was. Now we can see the mysterious shadow was only from a tree off to the right of this shot. Surprisingly smooth edge to that shadow.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 7:12:02 PM   
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Here begins a pan that covers about 300 degrees and begins with a SW shot that includes the Evergreen Cemetary Gate House. The 226 is the bearing of that building. On the right of it you can see a house-like addition that was added sometime after the battle. I'm following this with a period photo of it. Behind it just to the right, you can see Soldier's National Monument. I believe this is for both sides of the war. Further right you see the New York Monument.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 7:13:10 PM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 7:21:45 PM   
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Since I appear in this pic, I must have been using the tripod so my friend would not need to line up the shot. The monument on the left is the base of the one for the 4th Ohio. They must have been cleaning the rest of it. I'll show a pic of it next.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 7:22:38 PM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 7:32:24 PM   
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The friend you see left center is crouching, not standing, but you can see there's a significant drop there which I believe is buttressed by stones. The dark monument is for the 1st New York Light Artillery battery L. The tower bears at 178 degrees. I would have liked to put a level on that sucker, it just always seems askew.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 7:35:57 PM   
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The tree at center left is hiding that white building mentioned earlier. Center right behind the trees you can see a brown building; that is a Comfort Inn Suites, which would be convenient for your vist. The legend that Abner Doubleday stayed there the night of July 1 is without foundation. He was reported to have complained about their lack of WiFi. While his complaint cannot be corroborated, my research has determined that they in fact did not have WiFi, at least at that time.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 7:39:56 PM   
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Culp's Hill. You can just make out the top of the Culp's Hill Tower on top. It is at 103 degrees.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 7:42:53 PM   
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The red arrow points to a plaque that is for the 1st Brigade of the 1st Division of the 11th Corps.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 7:45:30 PM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 7:46:49 PM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 7:53:40 PM   
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The black monument to the left of the storage tank in the distance is for the 11th Corps (US). The object in the center foreground is, I believe, a drinking fountain. The monument for the Pennsylvania Artillery is larger than it may appear. The side you can see has considerable engravings giving stats for each battery, # enlisted, # reenlisted, # killed, # wounded etc..




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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 7:55:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		The other side of the PA Artillery Monument. I think that's actually some pretty nice stone carving there. The Elgin marble cutters might be envious.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 7:58:41 PM   
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Looking down the Baltimore Pike into town, taken from 100 feet in front of the Gate House. You can just see the edge of the monument for the 4th US Light Artillery Battery B.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 8:02:05 PM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 8:06:54 PM   
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Culp's Hill from Benner Hill. You can just make out the top of the Culp's Hill Tower. The Gettysburg National Tower is also pointed out.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 8:09:20 PM   
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Looking down East Confederate Ave. into town.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 8:13:25 PM   
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My notes say South Slope of Culp's Hill looking South. Don't know exactly where, but this pic shows features common all over the hill, namely trees and boulders. These boulders, again, likely deposited in one of the ice ages.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 8:25:25 PM   
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On the left you can see the Evergreen Cemetary Gate House. In the center is a statue of Gen. Hancock riding a horse. Down to the left of that is the base of the monument to the 4th Ohio Light Artillery Battery B. Generally speaking, you can get some idea of the wealth of each state by the size and number of its monuments. The Southern States monuments are fewer and smaller than the Northern States, but I noticed that West Virginia (where I was born) mostly just has little flat stones laid on the earth representing whole regiments. Mostly just coal miners lived (and live) there. Of course this is an unfair generalization, but I'm descended from Welsh coal miners and they were distributed here from KY through W VA to Pa (the Mesabi range).





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/30/2012 8:30:18 PM   
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Again, you can see in the center Hancock's statue, just to the right is the monument for the 1st Pennsylvania Light Artillery Battery B. To the right of that is the monument for the 14th Indiana. Small but a lot better than the W VA ones.

I'd like to mention here that I've heard that the estimates for total soldier deaths for the Civil War may be raised. They've long been put at about 600k to 625k, but the CSA kept very few records, and the estimates for them have included a lot of WAG and some SWAG. The estimates are likely to end up around 700k with much of the difference being added to the CSA. Much of this amount is due not to battle deaths, but the poor state of medicine and medical resources in the CSA to deal with wounds, heat prostration and diseases generally. This was a horrible, horrible war which I think even Napoleon would find staggering. I think it did come as a shock to the Europeans, giving them some idea of the potential power trajectory of the US.

The next batch of pics will begin at the Oak Ridge Tower which gives a good view of the area where the battle began and proceed from there.



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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 4:53:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'd like to interrupt the flow here with a short treatise by an amateur (me) on the types of fencing you are likely to see at Civil War battle sites. The most common is the Virginia Fence, which tends to be zig-zag, and the other is the Kentucky Fence. Both are split-rail fences. Remember the legends of Abe Lincoln splitting rails? He was making one or the other of these. Split rails are triangular in cross section as they are made by driving wedges into tree trunks, resulting in a section of a circle or column. Kentucky fences in their more primitive forms used split rails and had 2 to 4 rails per segment. The form of these closely resemble the modern Kentucky fences, which you may be familiar with for their whiteness and because they enclose horse pastures, often thoroughbred horse pastures.
Much more prevalent were the Virginia fences, which came in many forms, but also used split rails. While the Kentucky fences used upright posts that were mortised out for the rails, Virginia fences were often just split rails laid atop each other, and the zig-zag pattern was only so these dubious constructions wouldn't fall down. These fences were called "Worm" or "Snake" fences and they were some times supported to a degree by more or less upright standards, in the best cases two crossed. Sometimes they were also built straddling a low stone wall.
Following are some examples of each. Originally, chestnut wood was preferred for these, but with the blight cedar was substituted. I believe that hickory was also used often.
This is supported Virginia fence.




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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 4:54:23 AM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 4:56:14 AM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 4:57:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is a very nice example of Kentucky fence. While the rails are triangular, tenons were cut at the ends of the rails to fit in the mortises of the posts.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 5:00:14 AM   
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If you go back to camera location 6, you will see Virginia fence on one side of the road, and Kentucky fence on the other. Looks like Virginia fence uses a lot more wood and is less efficient in the use of land as well.



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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 5:28:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		i was at Gettysburg for the 1st time 'bout 3 years ago, w/ my aged parents. we took a 1/2-day bus-tour, the docents that lead these tours really know their stuff! the new museum was wonderful, and its shop had at least 100 different books for sale.

visiting the terrain, and walking a bit of it, was v. interesting - one thing i noted, as we were leaving the place. cars in the museum lot had license plates from rather far afield - Florida, N Dakota, Nevada. some of these were Civil War buffs, others were family vacationers.

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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 5:48:39 AM   
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i was at Gettysburg for the 1st time 'bout 3 years ago, w/ my aged parents. we took a 1/2-day bus-tour, the docents that lead these tours really know their stuff! the new museum was wonderful, and its shop had at least 100 different books for sale.

visiting the terrain, and walking a bit of it, was v. interesting - one thing i noted, as we were leaving the place. cars in the museum lot had license plates from rather far afield - Florida, N Dakota, Nevada. some of these were Civil War buffs, others were family vacationers.


Where do you go to see what is central to our Republic? Philadelphia for the Liberty Bell? New York City for the French tribute to us the Statue of Liberty? Boston to Bunker and Breed's Hills? Countless other places? Here at Gettysburg is our soul, the place where we would either be destroyed or confirmed.

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On a lighter note, to build on what jmalter observed, here in St. Louis we have the Missouri Botanical Garden. This is considered to be on par with Kew Gardens in London. Almost nothing else is. Within the MBG is, for instance, an English Garden. Now to me, this appears simply to be a place where they forgot to rake the leaves, but I am an ignoramous in these matters. However, the MBG has as well as many other things, a Japanese Garden. Go to the MBG any day of any week and you will find Japanese people lined up to see the Japanese Garden. Think of it, they flew thousands of miles from Japan to St. Louis to see the "Japanese Garden" here. I don't think there is anything I could say in the way of hyperbole to embellish on that.

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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 7:26:43 AM   
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btw, thanks for the pics. Gettysburg countryside is PA 'at its best', glad you had good weather & sunlight.

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