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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 8:20:14 AM   
Apollo11


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Small semi-OT (I hope you guys would not mind)...


I always wondered if there was ever attempt of making true smoke screen in American Civil War to conceal slow marching attacking troops?


If something like that existed it would help "Picket's Charge" (i.e. they would not be exposed for so long in plain sight in open while advancing)...

Please note that I do understand that musket / cannons firing at that time produced copious amounts of smoke (due to black powder) but I never ever heard about tactical use of smoke as such so that's why I am asking!


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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 12:34:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Don't recall such a case. I do seem to recall one where a brigade was marched around in circles with part of that march exposed to the view of the enemy (Union) so that they would think there were endless hordes of reinforcements arriving. Sounds like something Beauregard would think of. Aside from that, smokescreens sound too clever for Generals who pack their troops together like sardines and send them forward playing fifes into grapeshot and cannister fire.

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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 3:00:25 PM   
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Perhaps a more typical example of Kentucky fence.

If you go back to camera location 6, you will see Virginia fence on one side of the road, and Kentucky fence on the other. Looks like Virginia fence uses a lot more wood and is less efficient in the use of land as well.





That is more than I ever knew about fences. Interesting that the more elegant fence is named after the mountain folk while the aristocrats just piled up some downed wood.

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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 8:05:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you very much. I'm from Spain, but I'm very interested about U.S. history and culture. I hope some day I'll go myself to see with my own eyes those battlefields, where thousands of american soldiers fought for their beliefs. And, please, excuse my bad english. :-)

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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 8:14:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a skyview of the NW part of the battlefield with some important spots pointed out. In the north is the Eternal Light Peace Monument. South of that is the Oak Ridge Observation Tower. To the SW is McPherson's Ridge, and to the West is the Herr Ridge Tavern and Publick House. Yes, that's how we used to spell it. The tavern was used as a field hospital by the Confederates. It is across Willoughby Run and up the side of the valley on the Chambersburg Pike.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 8:19:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Earlier I had promised that the Oak Ridge Tower had a good view of where the battle started. I looked at my pics and discovered otherwise. I'm sure if you go there now you'll be able to see McPherson's Ridge, but not on the day I was there because there were trees in the way, so I didn't even train my camera in that direction. Since then almost all the trees have been cut down, presumably for historical accuracy. Here's a sky view of the location nowadays.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 8:22:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		So I begin with a shot through a gap in the trees to the Herr Tavern. The orange roofed building to the left of it is, I believe part of the same property, and I believe it was added sometime between the war and now for the purpose of additional rooms for the Inn, but I'm not certain.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 8:24:18 PM   
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This shot was just me doing my due diligence.
Nothing to see here, move along.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 8:31:55 PM   
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The road running North from here is Confederate Ave (it shows up all over the battlefield) and goes to the Eternal Light Peace Monument which you can see pointed out. Here it looks like an obelisk but only its eastern side is lit up. The road running across the pic is the Mummasburg Road. I know the name's funny, don't even think about it.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 8:34:29 PM   
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Note the rail line running off to the north. I should point out that this is not the same line with the famous rail cut I started with.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 8:37:52 PM   
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The farm on the left is the McLean Farm.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 8:39:11 PM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 8:43:25 PM   
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There are many monuments on Howard Ave.. I'm pointing out the one for the 61st Ohio for reference





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 8:47:49 PM   
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I've pointed out the three monuments in the right foreground. The one in the middle is for the 2nd Division of the 1st Army Corps.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 8:51:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		The next location is at the Eternal Light Peace Monument. Here it is (not my picture).





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 8:56:07 PM   
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The monument I marked (it's behind the car) in olive is for the 2nd Corps of the Army of Northern Virginia. Again, you can see the Herr Tavern in the distance.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 9:01:26 PM   
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Beyond the monuments you can see is one for the 3rd West Virgina Cavalry.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 9:02:34 PM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 9:06:35 PM   
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The red arrow points to a stone wall that Iverson's Brigade defended. I could not determine which stone and bronze plaque is to the right of the arrow, there are many in this area.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 9:08:25 PM   
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Coming up next, McPherson's Ridge

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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 7/31/2012 10:48:14 PM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/2/2012 4:06:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Now we proceed to McPherson's Ridge. Here is a skyview showing the next three camera locations, beginning north then south then southeast.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/2/2012 4:10:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is looking WNW along Chambersburg Pike. The road drops down into the valley of Willoughby Run, then climbs up again to where the Herr Ridge Tavern is.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/2/2012 4:13:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is from the second location, a panorama beginning with Seminary Ridge and moving counterclockwise to the left. In this first pic you can see the steeple of the Lutheran Seminary Chapel toward the right.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/2/2012 4:14:47 AM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/2/2012 4:18:24 AM   
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Here you can see McPherson's Barn and some more of those special reenactor cows. The guy on the horse at left is General Reynolds who died here on the first day. I believe the monument to the right of him in front of the tree is for the 149th Pennsylvania Infantry.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/2/2012 4:25:20 AM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/2/2012 4:28:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have to say, that looks like a really nice barn, for any period. To a great extent built out of stone, kind of a split level with a kinda sorta basement. Here's a pic of it from another angle (not my photo).





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/2/2012 4:46:53 AM   
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In this pic you can see the statue of Gen. Reynolds again on the extreme right. Behind the tree in center right is the monument for the 150th Pennsylvania Infantry. Between them is a statue of Gen. Buford, who is not on a horse though he was a cavalryman. On the left you see a statue of one Mr. John Burns. He was a 70+ year old veteran of the War of 1812 who lived here in Gettysburg. On the first day of the battle he was concerned about the goings on and told his wife he was going to investigate. He took his trusty musket and a powder horn and some ball and did so. When he learned what he came to find out he volunteered to fight as a skirmisher for the 150th PA. They were skeptical but gave him a rifle and some cartridges to use instead of his antiques. He fought without fear and when the regiment retired from the field he joined the Iron Brigade and continued to fight. He was wounded thrice and captured by the Confederates, but after some interrogation decided he wasn't a spy to be summarily shot and let him go home. The statue doesn't show it but supposedly he was wearing a swallowtail coat (an anachronism at this time with tails that nearly reached his ankles) and a bright yellow vest under it. President Lincoln went to visit him on the day of the Gettysburg Address.




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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/2/2012 4:48:00 AM   
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