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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 3:45:25 PM   
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Perhaps a more typical example of Kentucky fence.

If you go back to camera location 6, you will see Virginia fence on one side of the road, and Kentucky fence on the other. Looks like Virginia fence uses a lot more wood and is less efficient in the use of land as well.





That is more than I ever knew about fences. Interesting that the more elegant fence is named after the mountain folk while the aristocrats just piled up some downed wood.


The piled up wood fence (or Virginia Swayback) was built out of neccessity lol It didn't require post holes which were impossible to dig in some areas.

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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 4:55:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		McPherson's Ridge isnt very much of a ridge, is it? I have gopher burrows taller than that in my yard. Anyone know the elevation climb from Willoghby Run to McPherson Ridge?

I'm guessing the golf course West of Willoughby Run isn't period?

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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 4:58:27 PM   
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Pickett's Charge
panning left
On the right you see the Pennsylvania Monument, to the left of that the Codori Farm barn (not the original), then the Vermont Monument and the Angle. The fellow in the field is about 50 meters out.







When I see this pciture I can't help but ask, "What on Earth was he (Lee) thingking?"

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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 6:43:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Before I begin showing the pics from the Gettysburg National Tower, here is a skyview to help orient you. In the upper left you see the location of the Virginia Monument where "Pickett's Charge" began. In the lower center is the Trostle Farm, which is the location of a period pic I will show later. In the upper center you can see the Angle, the Leister Farm (which was Meade's HQ), and the tower location.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 6:50:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		The next four pics were taken from the West side of the tower, panning right. In the center you see Round Top, and you can see the nearly bald western face of Little Round Top below it. On the right you can see the Pennsylvania Monument. The road running past it is Hancock Ave. A lot of these roads such as this one and Confederate Ave were constructed later for the tourists. The road in the foreground is Taneytown Rd..




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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 6:53:44 PM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 6:56:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the distance in the center in the nook in the trees you see the Virginia Monument where the charge began. In the foreground is the Cyclorama, which I believe is no longer in use.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 6:58:54 PM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 7:03:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		The next three pics were taken from the North side of the tower, panning right. Here you can see the Herr Tavern, McPherson's Barn on McPherson's Ridge, and the Lutheran Seminary Chapel to the left of which you can see the cuppola of the Seminary building. Remember that at the time of the battle the area between the Seminary and Cemetary Hill was mostly open fields. In the lower center right you see the Soldier's National Monument.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 7:13:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here you can see in the lower left the New York State Monument with the Cemetary below it. The Gate House is amidst the trees in the bottom center. The arrow to the right of that points to the camera location I used for the pan from Cemetary Hill. In the distance you can see the Eternal Light Peace Monument .




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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 7:14:26 PM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 7:16:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		The next two were taken from the East side of the tower, panning right. Here Benner's Hill is pointed out, where I took one pic of Culp's Hill. The bronze dude on the horse in the lower right is General Slocum.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 7:18:41 PM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 7:21:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		The next four pics were taken from the South side of the tower panning right. Here Culp's Hill is in the foreground and Wolf's Hill beyond that.





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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 7:23:37 PM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 7:24:17 PM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 7:25:09 PM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 10:22:42 PM   
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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 10:23:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is my pic of it looking North from Taneytown Road.
The monument behind the picket fence yard appears to be for the Oneida New York Cavalry. To the left of that on the otherside of the tree there appears to be a greenish monument that could be for the 6th Pennsylvania Cavalry (but it's white, not green).
You can see the Cyclorama to the left,



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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 10:36:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a pic from after the battle. You can see three dead horses. When the Confederates began their barrage of the Union line before Pickett's Charge, the guns made so much smoke that the targets were obscured. They continued firing even though they couldn't see where their cannonballs were landing. With each discharge the tongues at the rear of the gun carriages dug deeper into the ground thus elevating the gun barrels. The shot slowly crept up Cemetary Ridge flying well over their intended targets and began landing in the Union Army's train. That is what killed these horses. If I recall the story correctly, there was an orderly standing in the front door of the HQ with Meade present when a cannonball took off the orderly's head.
I believe you can see a couple of spots where cannonballs struck the stone wall and debris was launched to the right.




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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/4/2012 10:42:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry to dwell on dead horses, but this is a pic taken after the battle of Trostle Farm. This is where Gen. Sickles was wounded on the second day. The horses were deliberately shot by the attacking Confederates to keep the Union from limbering the battery that was there and withdrawing it.





That's all I have from Gettysburg. As time permits I may do edits to add some narrative of the actions that occured in the areas covered in various pics.

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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/5/2012 12:24:14 AM   
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Thank you!

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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/5/2012 2:46:17 AM   
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Thank you very much. I'm from Spain, but I'm very interested about U.S. history and culture. I hope some day I'll go myself to see with my own eyes those battlefields, where thousands of american soldiers fought for their beliefs. And, please, excuse my bad english. :-)


Your English sir is better than half us Yanks and the Rebels amongst us. No need to apologize.

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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/5/2012 7:40:34 AM   
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McPherson's Ridge isnt very much of a ridge, is it? I have gopher burrows taller than that in my yard. Anyone know the elevation climb from Willoghby Run to McPherson Ridge?

I'm guessing the golf course West of Willoughby Run isn't period?


I've walked it on the first week of July. By the road, it is about a 50' gain in elevation over the distance of 1000'. It is steeper and shorter in some areas, and longer and higher in others. With the heat and humidity of summer, you will feel it. Wear wool with 40 pounds on your back for the full effect.

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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/5/2012 9:26:35 PM   
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McPherson's Ridge isnt very much of a ridge, is it? I have gopher burrows taller than that in my yard. Anyone know the elevation climb from Willoghby Run to McPherson Ridge?

I'm guessing the golf course West of Willoughby Run isn't period?


I've walked it on the first week of July. By the road, it is about a 50' gain in elevation over the distance of 1000'. It is steeper and shorter in some areas, and longer and higher in others. With the heat and humidity of summer, you will feel it. Wear wool with 40 pounds on your back for the full effect.



That is higher than it looks. 2% grade. No doubt the wool in July heat and humidity would be painful. Would they generally carry their full packs during an assault?

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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/5/2012 10:26:04 PM   
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McPherson's Ridge isnt very much of a ridge, is it? I have gopher burrows taller than that in my yard. Anyone know the elevation climb from Willoghby Run to McPherson Ridge?

I'm guessing the golf course West of Willoughby Run isn't period?



The lay of the land near the ridge may not be the exact same same as it was during the battle as they had built an airport close to it at one time. Also not sure if people are aware that their used to be a Tank training facility in the area (Eisenhowers HQ building is still in Town) ....although not sure the exact area of the training facility, but I do know the airport was in close vicinity to McPherson's Ridge.

Got this from the net:

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Eisenhower is appointed to his first independent command at Camp Colt, an Army Tank Corps training center in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. He receives a temporary promotion to major, and then to lt. colonel on Oct. 14. World War I ends November


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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/6/2012 2:39:48 AM   
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McPherson's Ridge isnt very much of a ridge, is it? I have gopher burrows taller than that in my yard. Anyone know the elevation climb from Willoghby Run to McPherson Ridge?

I'm guessing the golf course West of Willoughby Run isn't period?



The lay of the land near the ridge may not be the exact same same as it was during the battle as they had built an airport close to it at one time. Also not sure if people are aware that their used to be a Tank training facility in the area (Eisenhowers HQ building is still in Town) ....although not sure the exact area of the training facility, but I do know the airport was in close vicinity to McPherson's Ridge.

Got this from the net:

1918

Eisenhower is appointed to his first independent command at Camp Colt, an Army Tank Corps training center in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. He receives a temporary promotion to major, and then to lt. colonel on Oct. 14. World War I ends November



The area from of McPherson's to the Run in the main battle area has been well preserved. The only damage to this area is on the reverse slope where GB College shaved off part of the Seminary Ridge to widen the railroad cut. There was outrage and demands to return the land to its natural state, but I've lost track of how that fight ended.

The areas to the south and west of the battle area has been developed, which includes a small airstrip.

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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/6/2012 2:42:20 AM   
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That is higher than it looks. 2% grade. No doubt the wool in July heat and humidity would be painful. Would they generally carry their full packs during an assault?


I'm not sure how prepared they were for what they would face once they crossed Willoughby Run. Don't think that much planning went into it. Anyway, I think this pic gives some idea of the drop, in my memory it was a pretty substantial valley at the Chambersburg Pike. Also, I can't speak to the uniforms of specific units at specific times, but while the Confederates did use wool, they had a plentiful supply of cotton and used it as well. I think they had something of an advantage in this area.




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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/6/2012 7:45:42 AM   
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McPherson's Ridge isnt very much of a ridge, is it? I have gopher burrows taller than that in my yard. Anyone know the elevation climb from Willoghby Run to McPherson Ridge?

I'm guessing the golf course West of Willoughby Run isn't period?



The lay of the land near the ridge may not be the exact same same as it was during the battle as they had built an airport close to it at one time. Also not sure if people are aware that their used to be a Tank training facility in the area (Eisenhowers HQ building is still in Town) ....although not sure the exact area of the training facility, but I do know the airport was in close vicinity to McPherson's Ridge.

Got this from the net:

1918

Eisenhower is appointed to his first independent command at Camp Colt, an Army Tank Corps training center in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. He receives a temporary promotion to major, and then to lt. colonel on Oct. 14. World War I ends November



The area from of McPherson's to the Run in the main battle area has been well preserved. The only damage to this area is on the reverse slope where GB College shaved off part of the Seminary Ridge to widen the railroad cut. There was outrage and demands to return the land to its natural state, but I've lost track of how that fight ended.

The areas to the south and west of the battle area has been developed, which includes a small airstrip.



Hey PizzaMan not sure if you were aware of the Airport that was on the battlefield in the early 1900's that served Camp Colt. From Wiki (not the best source, but I was told the same story while standing on what used to be the runway by a Park Ranger) :

The Battlefield Airport was the Gettysburg Battlefield site of the Battlefield Airways, Inc. west of the Peach Orchard[1] between the Emmitsburg road[2] and Warfield Ridge. The corporation and airfield were operated in the 1920s by Herbert J. Fahy

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RE: OT Bull Run & GB pics - 8/7/2012 1:11:13 AM   
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I am very impressed with your photographs and maps. Really enjoyed the tour!

Am deeply appreciative of your work and attention to detail.

Well done, Sir!

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