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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 7/24/2013 1:26:14 AM

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great to have an AAR in late 43. continue the good work gentlemen.

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 7/24/2013 1:28:10 AM

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Posted in wrong AAR, never mind.

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 7/24/2013 8:06:04 AM

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turn 115
no more attack from me
the division aboard train is part of a corp arriving from the south

pools
5 570 men (- 5K) 7 forts disbanded
242 200 VEH (+ 3K)
167 512 ARM (- 20K)
1 100 Hiwis

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 7/25/2013 1:03:58 PM

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And now for something completely different, a blast from the past: final moments of the German push to Leningrad in 1941, with new map graphics:

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 7/25/2013 1:09:14 PM

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...and a winter raid to plunder Kalinin (Torzhok was also raided); those raids (and also poor leaders as well as loss of good units in the Rzhev encirclement) were responsible for 18 months long forced pause to rebuild Kalinin Front into a fighting force.

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 7/27/2013 9:30:38 AM

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this was good old time

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 7/27/2013 9:34:33 AM

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9-2 retreat continue
and partisan warfare

pool
14 600 men (+ 9K) disbanded 18 forts
245 700 VEH (+ 3K)
129 100 ARM (- 38K) 26 INF division change their TOE
4 290 Hiwis

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 7/29/2013 3:03:26 PM

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On the screen above you can see a very important rail line (through Rossosh) retaken by the Red Army. Without it all units between southern half and northern half of the front have to go via Stalingrad and that's a very long detour.

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/2/2013 7:58:49 AM

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turn 117 southern part

pool
8 550 men (- 6K) 10 forts disbanded
246 300 VEH
73 310 ARM (- 56K) 22 XX change TOE
4 670 Hiwis

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/2/2013 8:00:04 AM

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crimea entry (or exit rather now !)

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/2/2013 8:09:30 AM

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I thought Crimea would be worth something, but because of the unconnected rail issue it was only a truck hog. Still, they have been able to draw a significant number of German divisions including some Panzer ones from the main front.

My armament pool was at 346 030 on 10th June, floated around 250 000 for the entire summer and dropped like crazy when the new Soviet rifle squads entered production (-100k in the first September turn, in late September I had only 9k left).

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/3/2013 2:02:39 AM

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I thought Crimea would be worth something, but because of the unconnected rail issue it was only a truck hog. Still, they have been able to draw a significant number of German divisions including some Panzer ones from the main front.

My armament pool was at 346 030 on 10th June, floated around 250 000 for the entire summer and dropped like crazy when the new Soviet rifle squads entered production (-100k in the first September turn, in late September I had only 9k left).

Wow that's a huge drop, you lose allot of factories?

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/9/2013 6:43:08 AM

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9-16 they continue to push us (I will have to learn other expression)

our pool
3 370 men (- 5K) 3 forts disbanded
252 500 VEH (+ 6K)
36 011 ARM (- 37K) 20 Div "upgraded" and Croat regiment become division
9 380 Hiwis

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/16/2013 7:23:42 AM

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turn 119 same place

pool
27 990 men (+ 24K) 12 forts disbanded
255 800 VEH (+ 3K)
0 ARM (- 36K) 14 XX upgraded & French III become a division
17 400 Hiwis

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/21/2013 9:00:24 PM

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Wow that's a huge drop, you lose allot of factories?

Sorry for belated answer. I didn't lose much, though I made two costly mistakes due to not knowing the rules at start. I posted some stats in another thread, I believe I have 70% HI, 80% ARM and 100% VEH. The problem was caused by new rifle squad model and Germans retreating along the front, which put a lot of units out of ZOC (increasing their chance to upgrade squads). My mech corps are at 40% rifle squads now, but ARM pool is back to 120k.

Meanwhile, Axis build tank like crazy now (late October).

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/22/2013 7:24:01 AM

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9-30 I had to make an attack
this to "deliver" 2 division from Orel

losses (axis/russia)
2 210 /4 690 men 60 /90 art 10 /75 AFV 17 /60 AC

pool
55 940 men (+ 27K) disbanded 1 army airbase & 23 forts
259 400 VEH (+ 4K)
0 ARM
17 790 Hiwis

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/22/2013 2:04:24 PM

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quote:

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Wow that's a huge drop, you lose allot of factories?

Sorry for belated answer. I didn't lose much, though I made two costly mistakes due to not knowing the rules at start. I posted some stats in another thread, I believe I have 70% HI, 80% ARM and 100% VEH. The problem was caused by new rifle squad model and Germans retreating along the front, which put a lot of units out of ZOC (increasing their chance to upgrade squads). My mech corps are at 40% rifle squads now, but ARM pool is back to 120k.

Meanwhile, Axis build tank like crazy now (late October).

Yes a tactic I use is to start withdrawing around T-118, the 4 turns before Mud hits.

It causes an arm pt crunch and when mud hits T-122 with lines far from railheads causes allot of trucks to be burnt up.

This will weaken SHC and give GHC some time to slow SHC advances in early summer.

Anything to buy time.

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/22/2013 8:45:25 PM

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Soviet onmap unit listing as of turn 120:

63 Armies (including 5 Shock)
6 Tank Armies
1 Airborne Corps

124 Rifle Corps (including 42 Guards)
22 Tank Corps (including 18 Guards)
20 Cavalry Corps (including 17 Guards)
4 Mechanized Corps (including 2 Guards)

207 Rifle Divisions (including 43 Guards)
11 Mountain Divisions (including 3 Guards)
3 Guards Airborne Divisions
2 Breakthrough Artillery Divisions
1 Cavalry Division

41 Tank Brigades
6 Mechanized Brigades
4 Naval Infantry Brigades
2 Airborne Brigades

12 Fortified Regions

101 Airbases

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/24/2013 6:39:29 AM

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turn 121 we are leaving Bryansk
no real possibility to attack, they form stacks of corps+ 2 div or bigger

pool
71 890 men (+ 16K) 17 forts disbanded
259 800 VEH
0 ARM 9 INF and 5 Panzer change TOE, a panzergrenadier become panzer
18 110 Hiwis

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/26/2013 1:27:56 PM

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From turn 126, now that is something I like:

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/28/2013 8:26:39 AM

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10-14 what a nasty surprise when i open my map
3 infantry div isolated in the north, no possibility for rescue with mud
the worst is that these units stay until the end

pools
70 150 men 1 fort disbanded
255 700 VEH (- 4K)
0 ARM 6 INF and 4 Panzer "upgraded"
14 990 Hiwis

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/28/2013 8:31:34 AM

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4th Tank Army in action :) Of course the initial plans were more ambitious than that, but they failed to materialize, so I had to be content with "scraps" (3 divisions including the prestigious 1st Infantry Division of the I Corps). For too long the northern forces remained without assistance from Panzer Divisions (all Axis mobile forces at that point were south of Smolensk) and I was eager to exploit that.

What's wrong about "divisions staying until the end"?

edit: your infantry divisions "upgrade", but your panzer divisions upgrade (their upgrade is actually good as it allows for faster tank replacement due to matching slots for in-production tanks).

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/28/2013 10:25:03 AM

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neat move ... maybe when mud lifts you can dismantle the northern flank of the axis defense lines?

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/28/2013 10:43:55 AM

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This is a secondary front, because of difficult terrain there are little to none mobile forces (so no decisive battles). The real battle rages on the open terrain in the south. I try to advance here when it's required to shorten my overall front length. So if one front advances on Smolensk, then the next one has to advance on Velikiye Luki, so in turn the next one has to advance on Pskov :) I just give the boys there something to do in their spare time.

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/30/2013 10:41:10 PM

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About 12th Guards Tank Corps: in a true Soviet fashion I have wasted this elite unit on a pointless attack (made hasty, while wanted deliberate) and it got badly mauled and is now left stranded alone in face of German panzers (not for cut off, but it will get beaten once again most probably and it's already at half of previous strength).

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/31/2013 7:46:03 AM

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turn 123 MUD can give some time
but last week they got a foothold past the Dnepr

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79 890 men (+ 9K)
255 000 VEH
7 714 ARM 8 INF+ 3 Pz change TOE & a PG become Pz SS
21 520 Hiwis

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/31/2013 8:10:25 AM

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Easiest place to attack (from 4 sides). I was surprised it wasn't defended by at least 2 SS PzGr divisions, but a lonely footslogger division.

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/31/2013 10:44:27 AM

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looks a lot like you are putting in sufficient pressure to force a lot of the German Pz/PzGr divisions into the front lines.

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 8/31/2013 12:56:15 PM

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Rumanians alone are not enough, so they need some backing power. Also, in some clear terrain I saw some PzGr and Pz in the first line.

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RE: Russia! Why not? (Morvael welcome) - 10/1/2013 7:36:13 AM

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The AAR is a bit delayed (turn 129 now). Shall I continue it or will cpt flam resume his reports?

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