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IJN/IJA pilot training - 10/1/2012 12:38:55 PM

goran007

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Based on my experience in Allied pilot training it�s best conducted on off map bases like East coast, Aden, Cape Town etc. Training in those bases is far more efficient, about 2/3 of 40 ex. pilot with 45-55 air skill would get a 1 point of air skill per turn. (squadron leader is 60 leadership, 60 air). If you consider that there are 1/3 more pilots than plains in a full squadron that is about 100% pilot training/available plane.

Conclusion is that allied pilot training is extremely efficient in off map bases with a good leader and with full compliment of planes. On other hand training on map hexes, even in places like San Diego/San Francisco takes much longer.

My problem is with �Evil empire�. I don�t have option to send training squadrons to off map bases. My training is based in Tokyo and Harbin (both level 9/10 bases) squadron is full of planes with excellent leaders in air and leadership, even air Hq is present with a good leader (dunno if it makes any bonus), out of cca 60 pilots with 40 avg. general experience and 40 in air skill only about 5% while training escort (100%; 10000 feet; 0 range) get a level increase/turn.

Does training on �primary airfield� make any bonus?
How do you people train IJA/IJN pilots and where?
Is it possible to get the same efficiency in pilot training compared to allies?

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RE: IJN/IJA pilot training - 10/1/2012 1:18:26 PM

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Does training on �primary airfield� make any bonus?
How do you people train IJA/IJN pilots and where?
Is it possible to get the same efficiency in pilot training compared to allies?

No
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Don't know, never noticed the training for off map. I have no problems training Japanese units, other than experience all other stats can be obtained anywhere between 1 - 2 months which appears to be the same as the allies.

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RE: IJN/IJA pilot training - 10/2/2012 12:03:21 AM

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just a question having never played the allies - do off map bases have weather?

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RE: IJN/IJA pilot training - 10/2/2012 12:20:21 AM

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just a question having never played the allies - do off map bases have weather?

Don't think so...

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RE: IJN/IJA pilot training - 10/2/2012 1:18:02 AM

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Large airfields reduce ops loses.

Leadership is very important for training squad leaders.

I think having air Hqs nearby helps but that might be voodo from me.

Hope that helps.

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RE: IJN/IJA pilot training - 10/2/2012 3:32:40 AM

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Have others noticed what goran007 has indicted? Is it true that training of Allied pilots is far more effective in off board bases???? I've never noticed this and I can't understand why if it is true... thoughts?

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RE: IJN/IJA pilot training - 10/2/2012 7:43:41 AM

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Have others noticed what goran007 has indicted? Is it true that training of Allied pilots is far more effective in off board bases???? I've never noticed this and I can't understand why if it is true... thoughts?

I did some training test long time ago and can say I noticed any difference but it was before any major update. During play I did not but then any major trainingwas always done in large well stocked bases and in command range of an air HQ. Training for 1-2 produced pilots with stats over 55-60 (except exp which seems to go up much slower after a patch). The only units I did have training in off map bases were Soviet and I noticed no difference but wasn't looking.

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RE: IJN/IJA pilot training - 10/3/2012 5:52:19 AM

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Well, I emptied the East Coast base and put only one Aircobra unit there, which was going to China via Cape Town, to train before the departure. Judging from the changing colours in its pilot screen, I would say this unit trains faster than anyone in LA/SF/San Diego or Anchorage, but it sits alone in the huge base, so it is a bit of anomaly.

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RE: IJN/IJA pilot training - 10/3/2012 2:42:28 PM

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Last few years of playing i train US units only on east coast. I never send fighter pilots to front line units until they are exactly 70 in air and 70 in def. One downside of east coast is that by flying CAP pilots don't increase on general experience so u have to send group/transfer pilots somewhere on map.

this is example of training on east coast (01st february 1942)
24 aircraft, 33 pilots

leader-very bad:
leadership: 35
Insp:66
air:44

pay attention on how low is general experience compared to fully trained 1st skill and going strong on second. By the time pilots reach about 50 on general experience they will be fully trained on 3rd or even 4th skill

second photo is another banshee group on same date but with better leader. Banshee is really important for training because for some reason in my experience pilots train faster in 1 engine planes. These 2 bunch are being trained for 4 engine heavy bombers in ironmen scenario

leadership: 61
inspiration: 58
air: 62

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RE: IJN/IJA pilot training - 10/3/2012 7:35:22 PM

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As Japan, I train everywhere with everyone

I also put anyone over 80 in the training command. So now in 3/44, I have IJN pilots that come out of traing at 45 exp and IJA at 39. While it is harder to move the 'needle' after 60 exp, I still keep ever squadron on the map with some level of training activity. Anywhere between 10% to 80%. The only time this changes is if a base is being attacked obviously

So as Japan, train early and often

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RE: IJN/IJA pilot training - 10/3/2012 8:12:39 PM

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I don't like high general experience pilots because they train slower. That is true for fighter pilots because after 150 missions of cap they will easily reach 70 ex.

Bomber pilots are much harder to train in general ex. because after 200 missions you'll loose cca. 20% to operational losses.

tracom is more imp. for allies than japs. Nevertheless i dont use tracom i just cant understand the idea that high ex pilots train slower.

Anyway in my current ironman game 07/43 i have 650 USA aces.

I really like brits because you can place any of their pilots on a carrier. Training them against hordes of japs in Burma every single pilot on RN carrier is above 90 ex and hundreds above 80 in reserve.
(550 aces among brits)

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RE: IJN/IJA pilot training - 10/4/2012 12:51:21 PM

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quote:

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I don't like high general experience pilots because they train slower. That is true for fighter pilots because after 150 missions of cap they will easily reach 70 ex.

Bomber pilots are much harder to train in general ex. because after 200 missions you'll loose cca. 20% to operational losses.

tracom is more imp. for allies than japs. Nevertheless i dont use tracom i just cant understand the idea that high ex pilots train slower.

Anyway in my current ironman game 07/43 i have 650 USA aces.

I really like brits because you can place any of their pilots on a carrier. Training them against hordes of japs in Burma every single pilot on RN carrier is above 90 ex and hundreds above 80 in reserve.
(550 aces among brits)

While no where near as effective, my PBEM game is spring 1943 and I'm sitting on 100s of 70+ US fighter pilots and not enough bomber pilots, bombers, or Chinese ground replacements.

I did give up on TRACOM all aces are are overseas.

I don't see an issue with Allied training. I see an issue with my play.

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RE: IJN/IJA pilot training - 10/4/2012 7:17:03 PM

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As far as I can see there is no difference between on-map and off-map training. However, sometimes Japanese on-map training just slows to a crawl - this can be detected by pilots' fatigue levels suddenly dropping from around 15 to 0. I suspect this is caused by insufficient supply at the training base, but can't say for certain.

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RE: IJN/IJA pilot training - 10/5/2012 6:14:18 PM

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quote:

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As far as I can see there is no difference between on-map and off-map training. However, sometimes Japanese on-map training just slows to a crawl - this can be detected by pilots' fatigue levels suddenly dropping from around 15 to 0. I suspect this is caused by insufficient supply at the training base, but can't say for certain.

Pretty sure this is exactly it. I noticed all my planes in Manchukuo train slower and generate less fatigue than bases nearer to the front lines that are properly supplied. Once supplies are flush in these Manchukuo bases, this clear difference becomes blurred. I have yet to even attempt the Allies... what is this off-map you speak of? Capitalist scum !

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RE: IJN/IJA pilot training - 10/6/2012 2:53:51 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: goran007

Last few years of playing i train US units only on east coast. I never send fighter pilots to front line units until they are exactly 70 in air and 70 in def. One downside of east coast is that by flying CAP pilots don't increase on general experience so u have to send group/transfer pilots somewhere on map.

this is example of training on east coast (01st february 1942)
24 aircraft, 33 pilots

leader-very bad:
leadership: 35
Insp:66
air:44

Per a couple of devs, inspiration is a key stat for pilot training ... this would suggest this leader is not very bad, rather somewhat good .... if you want to test with a poor leader, choose one with both leadership and inspiration low.

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RE: IJN/IJA pilot training - 10/6/2012 2:56:46 PM

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While no where near as effective, my PBEM game is spring 1943 and I'm sitting on 100s of 70+ US fighter pilots and not enough bomber pilots, bombers, or Chinese ground replacements.

I did give up on TRACOM all aces are are overseas.

I don't see an issue with Allied training. I see an issue with my play.

Ditto for me, just flip it to the IJ. fighter pilots are easy to train, but bomber pilots take a lot more investment and never have enough. Big advantage for IJ is the kami pilots are REALLY easy to train.

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RE: IJN/IJA pilot training - 10/8/2012 12:09:30 AM

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People should be very wary in accepting the OP re the efficacy of off map pilot training. Until patch 1108p5 there was a bug which prevented air groups from conducting their training mission. IOW until then, there was no pilot training at all occuring off map.

Alfred

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RE: IJN/IJA pilot training - 10/18/2012 7:00:14 AM

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What about training in the off-map Soviet Union base? There is 120 aviation support and a supply fountain.Has anyone tried that?

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RE: IJN/IJA pilot training - 10/19/2012 6:36:33 AM

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What about training in the off-map Soviet Union base? There is 120 aviation support and a supply fountain.Has anyone tried that?

Have you tried doing it? If you have succeeded, post the save file in the Tech section so that michaelm can fix the bug.

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RE: IJN/IJA pilot training - 10/19/2012 1:34:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: Yaab

What about training in the off-map Soviet Union base? There is 120 aviation support and a supply fountain.Has anyone tried that?

Last game I played and I never noticed any difference in off map and on map training. Generally it will be slower as you are unlikely to have an HQ parked off map.

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