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RE: Matrix\Slitherine..could you please.... - 11/4/2012 10:36:42 AM   
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RE: Matrix\Slitherine..could you please.... - 11/4/2012 2:49:20 PM   
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I got my copy of Win 8 last week and spent most of the week trying to disable everything related to Win 8 which effectively makes it Win 7. I think its going to be a huge flop on desktop devices. Might be nice for tablets but I hated it with a mouse and keyboard.



Fascinating take but I respectfully disagree.

So a platform that is able to have true multiple monitor touch pad support does not peak your interest? Think about the burst of new applications that now can be designed where GUI could be directed to one monitor while a separate GUI could be directed also to a touch pad. This GUI could take the place of the keyboard and create graphically a true user input tailored to what is happening on the other monitor. That is why Microsoft named it 'surface'. Surface pro is going to make things very interesting and should create great gaming experiences because it supports all existing PC languages.

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RE: Matrix\Slitherine..could you please.... - 11/4/2012 3:28:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah and the new surface tablet thingy is getting less than stellar reviews.

Win8 is the start of it becoming a closed system like Apple..this will have a massive knock on effect.

So no as a desktop OS it's rubbish..and a horrible pointer to the way things are going to go.

Also how many of us have touch screen screens? None..would I like it...no not really.

Listen when many people in the gaming industry esp developers have an issue with Win 8 then sit up and take notice.

As a developer said recently..think it was Notch..WIn 7 shows Microsoft finally got their act togtehr in making a great OS that was developer friendly..to then throw it all away with Win 8 to try and keep up with the mobiles..very silly..a desktop isn't a mobile platform and though touch screen is fancy it isn't worth the restrictions that come with it.

Microsoft can stick Win 8 up it's backside. I hope to god Win 7 is around for along time to come and either Microsoft realise and make a separate desktop OS to their mobile OS or someone else comes up with another true open platform.


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RE: Matrix\Slitherine..could you please.... - 11/4/2012 8:05:13 PM   
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I bought a new laptop earlier this summer, so I had an option to buy Windows 8 Pro upgrade for $14.99 when it became available.

I downloded it couple of days ago and put it on a DVD. I have seeraql things on my plate right now, so I haven't ran it yet. I may hold off upgrading my laptop for a little while until I have more time.

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RE: Matrix\Slitherine..could you please.... - 11/4/2012 9:13:11 PM   
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RE: Matrix\Slitherine..could you please.... - 11/4/2012 10:44:48 PM   
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I got my copy of Win 8 last week and spent most of the week trying to disable everything related to Win 8 which effectively makes it Win 7. I think its going to be a huge flop on desktop devices. Might be nice for tablets but I hated it with a mouse and keyboard.


Spot on Iain. I have been playing around with Win 8 for nearly a year, and most of the time I spent testing it, I was trying to make it like Windows 7.

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RE: Matrix\Slitherine..could you please.... - 11/5/2012 11:28:16 PM   
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RE: Matrix\Slitherine..could you please.... - 11/5/2012 11:39:26 PM   
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Really can't see the need for Win 8 when Win 7 is near enough perfect as it is..


Totally and I mean Totally Agree! Why install something when my Win7 64 bit is working perfectly?

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RE: Matrix\Slitherine..could you please.... - 11/6/2012 1:10:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		And aren't most all newly released PC's coming or going to come with WIN 8 now? From how it sounds from reading here it sounds like the Death nail derge to the PC. People will hate it and swear never to buy another PC again. Thus the rise of Pads and Phones and Tablets!

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RE: Matrix\Slitherine..could you please.... - 11/6/2012 9:56:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well I'd buy a new PC then install Win 7 and take off Win8. Though I very rarely buy a whole new PC and usually upgrade in stages.

Also alot of people will be quite happy with Win 8, but the gaming community on the whole wont and don't like the direction it's pointing in, which is a closed platform. Hence Steam trying to get Linux into some kind of user friendly order.

Edit to say my very important OP about boardgame conversions has now gone off on a tangent about that bl#'dy Win8!!!

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RE: Matrix\Slitherine..could you please.... - 11/6/2012 12:42:21 PM   
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People will hate it and swear never to buy another PC again. Thus the rise of Pads and Phones and Tablets!


Who knows? Might even have the 2nd rise of Apple desktops. The last one was in the late 70's/early 80's until the Commodore 64 showed up. God help us if that is the case.

Ok, sorry to continue the tangent...

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RE: Matrix\Slitherine..could you please.... - 11/7/2012 7:36:09 AM   
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People will hate it and swear never to buy another PC again. Thus the rise of Pads and Phones and Tablets!


Who knows? Might even have the 2nd rise of Apple desktops. The last one was in the late 70's/early 80's until the Commodore 64 showed up. God help us if that is the case.

Ok, sorry to continue the tangent...



And haven't they always said "History repeats itself" ?

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RE: Matrix\Slitherine..could you please.... - 11/9/2012 5:14:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		My personal stance on Win 8 is that after 20 years of Windows pc's I picked up a Macbook Pro 15" Retina today. A new machine was overdue once again and I simply can't stand the Metro UI, neither I'm willing to make a Win Live account. Will install an additional Win 7 partition via Bootcamp for playing games and use my 24" display as second monitor.



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RE: Matrix\Slitherine..could you please.... - 11/9/2012 6:18:08 PM   
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While Linux Mint can sometimes be annoying, at least they aren't making it intentionally hard to install and use.

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RE: Matrix\Slitherine..could you please.... - 11/9/2012 8:37:55 PM   
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Mac OSX is based on UNIX as well. I have the bash shell and a complete command set for comfortable system administration. Something like changing rights by chmod or chgroup can be a chore on Windows. It always drove me nuts to see half a dozen of annoying pop-ups (Do you really want to do this?) just for performing a simple task. Not to speak about the cryptic registry where everything got hidden.



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RE: Matrix\Slitherine..could you please.... - 12/13/2013 12:07:27 AM   
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This situation cries out for taking a wargame builder like The War Engine, adding the ability to make an AI and give everyone (not just computer programmers) the opportunity to literally build their own wargame with an AI.


That being the case, you would need someone to create an AI capable of everything. The best AIs are usually the ones that are capable of understanding the simple rules of a game, not all the alternatives that can be presented. AIs that are that portable are not very strangely hard to come by....

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RE: Matrix\Slitherine..could you please.... - 12/13/2013 12:42:06 AM   
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situation cries out for taking a wargame builder like The War Engine, adding the ability to make an AI and give everyone (not just computer programmers) the opportunity to literally build their own wargame with an AI.

Yeah, having a game that allows people to build their own 'wargame' perhaps (relatively) isn't impossible (see TOAW) but having an AI...mmm??).

Now creating an AI to work with the above, i.e. against any set of rules that the can be altered and with any terrain and with any map etc...well, your in HAL territory there.
Unless of course you have scripting (text/html/csv doesn't matter). And scripting is really programming...

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RE: Matrix\Slitherine..could you please.... - 12/13/2013 12:47:04 AM   
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RE: Matrix\Slitherine..could you please.... - 12/13/2013 2:03:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Scripting is not real AI. Most games use scenario specific scripting. By that I mean they write a set of scripts which only work for that particular scenario with the specified forces and deployments. The sophisticated ones have conditional branching, so you can have  some variation. But ultimately they are tied to the specific scenario. If you change the scenario or the forces within it or your victory objectives, then you have to rewrite the scripts.

A true AI is "generic" in that it can work with any scenario, any set of forces and any combination of victory objectives. It works from basic principles. Fundamentally it must model a decision making process. So it must be able to receive an order, assess its situation, develop courses of action, analyse them, select the best one and craft a plan to implement it, then issue orders down the line. If it can't do that then it will not be generic.

BTW the only generic AI that I know of is the one we have written in Command Ops.

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