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WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/12/2012 6:08:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just read this. i hope it isn't true. if so looks like we will all be forced to Win 8 sooner rather than later..

The next direct X 11 or 11.1 as it will be called is Win 8 only.

I warned people for awhile about Win8..this is a major kick in the nuts.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/11/12/old-dog-old-tricks-ms-locks-directx-11-1-to-win-8/#more-131529

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/12/2012 6:42:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldnt worry that much about it, wodin. Most game developers are just now starting to use DirectX 10 as the standard. It's unlikely that they're just jump ahead and start producing piles of DirectX 11.1 only games. 10 is now financially viable for them, 11.1 isn't at this point. And with costs of production not dropping, they need sales volume.

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/12/2012 7:03:12 PM   
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I wouldnt worry that much about it, wodin. Most game developers are just now starting to use DirectX 10 as the standard. It's unlikely that they're just jump ahead and start producing piles of DirectX 11.1 only games. 10 is now financially viable for them, 11.1 isn't at this point. And with costs of production not dropping, they need sales volume.


Have wargame developers even jumped to directx above 9 yet even?

The only mainstream game I would consider buying would be the Total War series or The Elder Scrolls series anymore. Plus I've found even those will run on a Directx9x system setup and WinXP still.

They did say the PC was dying out though and this could be the push over the cliff it needs to bring the Tablets and Ipads etc to the forefront. Soon we will be gaming on 12" screens or less again. lol

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/12/2012 7:26:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just have a feeling they could do it so it's compatible, but they decided to make sure it wasn't, thus force even gamers at some point down the road to upgrade. I really was hoping to keep hold of Win 7 for aslong as possible. Just a worry when already things are being announced that aren't compatible. Direct X is a big one aswell. Several titles now have come out that don't work on XP. I was hoping Win 7 would have XP's shelf life.

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/12/2012 7:41:19 PM   
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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/12/2012 7:46:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wells several games have come out that can't be played on XP because they don't support it. As time goes on eventually Direct X 11 will be what all games are made with. the only reason why many new games are still Direct X 9 is because of the old console tech, once the next gen come out nearly all big games will be direct x 11.

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/12/2012 8:22:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		But again, devs are just now starting to focus on DirectX10 only. And they're doing that because of the massive pickup rates of Windows 7 (take a look at the Steam system reports, for example). So many gamers are playing pon DX10 systems that it makes sense for them to take advantage of DX10 improvements and still be selling to a majority of the market.

Unless Windows 8 takes off like Windows 7 did, they WOULDN'T be selling to a majority of the market by going DX11.1 exclusive. Unless that becomes the case, where DX11.1 IS the market majority, it's nothing to worry about.

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/12/2012 8:26:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wouldn't worry too much about this. Until games demand something beyond DX11, which is included in Win7, we have Windows 9 already. I forebode the Metro UI becoming a big fail in MS history.
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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/12/2012 8:30:09 PM   
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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/12/2012 9:45:35 PM   
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I don't think any of our games use DX10 so I don't think it is an issue.


Hey Iain are you planning to improve the graphics in Field of Glory II? Could you please get somewhere along the lines of Tin Soldiers:Caesar graphics?

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/13/2012 10:49:51 AM   
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Wells several games have come out that can't be played on XP because they don't support it. As time goes on eventually Direct X 11 will be what all games are made with. the only reason why many new games are still Direct X 9 is because of the old console tech, once the next gen come out nearly all big games will be direct x 11.



But look at how old XP is. Outdated OS's are a part of using computers. First it was DOS, than windows, then Windows3 and 3.1, Windows 95 and so on.

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/13/2012 3:39:59 PM   
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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/13/2012 5:16:24 PM   
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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/13/2012 6:33:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Uh oh Wodin look at this chart and how many directx11 video cards are out there now.....dum dum dah dum dah dah dum dah dum dah dum (derge)
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/13/2012 7:37:40 PM   
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Hey Iain are you planning to improve the graphics in Field of Glory II? Could you please get somewhere along the lines of Tin Soldiers:Caesar graphics?

OT, but +1.

Anything, please, better than FoG's current muddied, low-color "quality".

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/14/2012 3:40:56 AM   
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Just read this. i hope it isn't true. if so looks like we will all be forced to Win 8 sooner rather than later..

The next direct X 11 or 11.1 as it will be called is Win 8 only.

I warned people for awhile about Win8..this is a major kick in the nuts.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/11/12/old-dog-old-tricks-ms-locks-directx-11-1-to-win-8/#more-131529

Most people skip OS's or even two, windows wont change that with 8. I'm not worried about 8, Windows 9 or 10 is what I'm worried about.

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/14/2012 6:12:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Typically a game will require "Direct X 9 or better"

Which means that the game should run with Direct X 11

If you have WIN 8 it should run your current games. Once you click past those metro icons Win 8 and WIN 7 are the same ( as I have read it).

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/14/2012 1:52:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just find it disconcerting that so quickly are they bringing out the next direct x version and making it Win 8 only..

Also when the next gen consoles come out..expect a massive rise in system specs for any of those shiny triple A titles..obviously wargames will be fine for along time to come. However if you like more than just wargames as I said when the next gen consoles come out we will see a big hike in min system specs as developers start using the power many of us have had in our magic gaming boxes..

I'm never keen when a new version of direct X requires a new graphics card..I'm even less keen if it's going to require a OS upgrade especially if I'm not keen on the OS and this is the first time I've not been keen on the look of microsofts OS. I hope but don't expect MS will release a new desktop version of the OS for most of those business that use Microsoft who haven't got touch screens and us desktop gamers.

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/15/2012 9:47:50 PM   
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I was hoping Win 7 would have XP's shelf life.


Can you truly blame Microsoft for reducing shelf life? And trust me....if the requirement of 11.1 become such a major issue that it's affecting sales, then Microsoft will take the necessary steps. You're worrying too much.

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/15/2012 9:57:00 PM   
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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/15/2012 10:36:22 PM   
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I would like to see a competing sdk developed. One that would work on Windows, Macs, Linux OS. Maybe Value will invent one since they seem to hate Win 8 too.


Um, OpenGL

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/15/2012 10:48:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I used Win8 for the first time today, on a machine in my local megastore. A desktop littered with tiles which lack of any logical grouping or visual hierarchy. It's simply confusing and on top of it looks ugly. One can fade-out the Metro UI, but then you get kind of a reduced Win7 environment without start button. The whole thing just doesn't make sense for PC users. Whoever designed it should get fired.

Fortunately, I changed allegiance and purchased a Macbook Pro Retina instead of bothering with another Windows PC.

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/15/2012 11:59:39 PM   
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I used Win8 for the first time today, on a machine in my local megastore. A desktop littered with tiles which lack of any logical grouping or visual hierarchy. It's simply confusing and on top of it looks ugly. One can fade-out the Metro UI, but then you get kind of a reduced Win7 environment without start button. The whole thing just doesn't make sense for PC users. Whoever designed it should get fired.

Fortunately, I changed allegiance and purchased a Macbook Pro Retina instead of bothering with another Windows PC.


Yes, "whover designed it' should be fire.

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/16/2012 1:34:13 AM   
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Um, OpenGL


True, but that's only for graphics.

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/16/2012 3:32:17 PM   
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I used Win8 for the first time today, on a machine in my local megastore. A desktop littered with tiles which lack of any logical grouping or visual hierarchy. It's simply confusing and on top of it looks ugly. One can fade-out the Metro UI, but then you get kind of a reduced Win7 environment without start button. The whole thing just doesn't make sense for PC users. Whoever designed it should get fired.

Fortunately, I changed allegiance and purchased a Macbook Pro Retina instead of bothering with another Windows PC.


Well I installed win 8 on an old Vista partition I had. It is nothing more than Windows 7 than with some stupid touch screen interface tagged on to the front. It is a piece of crap and I really dont see where microsoft see their market for this. OK - so they are producing the hardware for this thing to run on and I suspect thats where they see the money at. But for home PC and office users the interface simply is not usable. Yes - when you turn off metro you dont get a start bar (which can be easily rectified if you visit stardock) but everything is still there you just cant find it. Its just a confusing mess that seems to me to alienate the very market that has built microsoft in the first place. Its really inexplicable unless their plan is to really hit the hardware market ala apple and just forget about PC users altogether - who they probably think will still be using xp and win 7 in 5 years time so there is no money in them.

I just dont get where they are aiming this - unless it is to replace all the desktop hardware in offices with their own product - which may be the plan. And windows nine is going to be a completely closed operating system the same as Macs.

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/16/2012 4:28:59 PM   
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Yes, "whover designed it' should be fire.


NO NO NO...Staked and fired.

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/16/2012 5:07:36 PM   
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Yes, "whover designed it' should be fire.


NO NO NO...Staked and fired.


Actually he resigned. :) The boss did anyways.

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/16/2012 5:11:10 PM   
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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/16/2012 10:34:43 PM   
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I just dont get where they are aiming this - unless it is to replace all the desktop hardware in offices with their own product - which may be the plan.


I assume the overall idea was to get people used to this Interface, so they hopefully purchase Win mobile instead of Android or iOS devices for the future. Unfortunately, MS doesn't offer a killer feature, neither add something useful from a customers perspective with their new system. The Surface is no match for Nexus 10 or the new iPad and I wouldn't even take a Nokia for free anymore.

As somebody already mentioned, the Metro UI is butt-ugly.

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RE: WIn 8 another horror.. - 11/17/2012 4:51:20 AM   
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XP support is JUST ending and just because a new version of Direct X is coming out doesn't mean it will become the standard for many years to come. I mean DX9 still seems to be the standard, DX 10 for some games but DX11 has been out awhile hasn't it?

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