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RE: April 1944 - 1/30/2017 5:59:27 PM   
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RE: April 1944 - 1/30/2017 6:04:44 PM   
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RE: April 1944 - 1/30/2017 6:11:26 PM   
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I love the Dominion War in DS9 but I think Season 3 of Next Gen was the single best season ever done in Star Trek. You've got Yesterday's Enterprise (my favorite), the Defector, Best of Both Worlds, The High Ground. GREAT Episodes.


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RE: April 1944 - 1/30/2017 6:13:19 PM   
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Think his Burma pilots were stunned to see over 100 Hot Shot Japanese ZERO pilots in the skies over Southern Burma. Got a few new IJN ACES on April 16, 1944.

BIG action in tomorrow's turn: Burma and Sorong.


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RE: April 1944 - 1/30/2017 6:17:46 PM   
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State your case Chickenclucker. Stand tall and defend thyself.



Alright [stands tall] I will.

[doubles over with pain] Oww! My knee! That happens whenever I stand abruptly.

The whole purpose of Star Trek is extraterrestial exploration and discovery. The concept of a stationary blob acting as a mixing vessel for the cosmos is interesting, but doesn't lend itself well to the Star Trek universe, IMO. Yeah, they added in the rounstabout craft and the fighting with the Cardasians, but it just started off on a failed premise and didn't really engage beyond that.

ST:TNG was as good as it got. Much of the original Star Trek was kind of interesting and, certainly for the day and time, unique. But the severely throttled special effects budgets detracted from the story telling, IMO.

ST:TNG had an interesting and diverse cast, including an extraordinarily gifted lead actor (Stewart) as Captain and explored great topics that were-at the time-groundbreaking or at the very least timely. DS9 was so much rehash and struggled at inovation by comparison.

We've been working our way through Voyager and we have enjoyed that. It suffers from a bit too much "PC" at times, but it's not bad. At least they have cleaned their slate and can discover things in another quadrant of the galaxy. Explore new civilizations and boldly go. DS9 claims none of those things.

Caveats: Haven't seen any "Enterprise" yet. My comments also only pertain to television series. All extrapolation to movies with these casts is unintended and a totally separate topic.

Question for other StarTrek dorkwads like myself out there: Do you think that your preferred series had to do with when you were 'coming of age' on the topic? Would the proverbial millennials think ST:TNG was the best by virtue of their age and exposure to something new, or would they think "Enterprise" was better because of temporal bias?

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RE: April 1944 - 1/30/2017 6:30:04 PM   
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I think Season 3 of Next Gen was the single best season ever done in Star Trek. You've got Yesterday's Enterprise (my favorite), the Defector, Best of Both Worlds, The High Ground. GREAT Episodes.


Compared to Season 5?

Season 4: Night Terrors (probably my second favorite episode); Clues

Season 5: Darmok, Unification I and II; Cause and Effect (my personal all-time favorite); I Borg; The Inner Light; Time's Arrow (I)

There's really no comparison between season 3 and 5, IMO.

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RE: April 1944 - 1/30/2017 6:38:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Inner Light and its companion Lessons are fantastic. Admit I shed a tear or two or three watching Inner Light. It is one of my Top Five for TNG. Darmok and language is fantastic. My eldest (7th Grade) saw that his Social Studies class was going to talk about Gilgamesh. He immediately asked if he could bring the disk that has Darmok on it and the teacher LOVED it.

Season Three is the breakout season for TNG. GREAT stuff.

How far are you into Voyager?


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RE: April 1944 - 1/30/2017 7:00:08 PM   
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The Inner Light and its companion Lessons are fantastic. Admit I shed a tear or two or three watching Inner Light. It is one of my Top Five for TNG. Darmok and language is fantastic. My eldest (7th Grade) saw that his Social Studies class was going to talk about Gilgamesh. He immediately asked if he could bring the disk that has Darmok on it and the teacher LOVED it.

Season Three is the breakout season for TNG. GREAT stuff.

How far are you into Voyager?



The Inner Light was just...beautiful in its humanity. Just beautiful.

How can you not be grabbed by the first 30 seconds of this episode though? I remember watching this one live with my friends and sitting slack jawed looking at one another. Riveting!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW7YPKfGewI

ETA: We're midway through the first season of Voyager. We'd seen dribs and drabs live in the past, but are working our way through each sequential episode.

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RE: April 1944 - 1/30/2017 7:51:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Inner Light and Lessons are two of my favorite TNG episodes. Cause and Effect was a great one as well, although the final solution (pips on the collar, I think) stretched it a bit. Plus, Frasier in the captain's seat.

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RE: April 1944 - 1/30/2017 8:08:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		"The whole purpose of Star Trek is extraterrestial exploration and discovery. The concept of a stationary blob acting as a mixing vessel for the cosmos is interesting, but doesn't lend itself well to the Star Trek universe, IMO. "

I wondered, myself, before DS9 started, how they would "explore" the cosmos in a stationary space station. I thought the wormhole was a supremely fantastic idea. It set DS9 apart - in that - instead of "seeking out" civilizations, they were able to "bring the civilizations to DS9". Little different twist, same result.

Oh, and ftw - best episode in all the series (better than Best of Both Worlds that I said above) was TOS's "Balance of Terror". It was a classic "destroyer vs. a sub" battle, only with spaceships :)

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RE: April 1944 - 1/30/2017 8:21:44 PM   
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RE: April 1944 - 1/30/2017 8:31:34 PM   
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WESLEY CRUSHER.

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RE: April 1944 - 1/30/2017 9:02:04 PM   
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"The whole purpose of Star Trek is extraterrestial exploration and discovery. The concept of a stationary blob acting as a mixing vessel for the cosmos is interesting, but doesn't lend itself well to the Star Trek universe, IMO. "

I wondered, myself, before DS9 started, how they would "explore" the cosmos in a stationary space station. I thought the wormhole was a supremely fantastic idea. It set DS9 apart - in that - instead of "seeking out" civilizations, they were able to "bring the civilizations to DS9". Little different twist, same result.

Oh, and ftw - best episode in all the series (better than Best of Both Worlds that I said above) was TOS's "Balance of Terror". It was a classic "destroyer vs. a sub" battle, only with spaceships :)


The only real conflict occurred with Ro Lauran (Michelle Forbes). She was the rebel Bajoran that ended up betraying Capt Picard. About the only real conflict that occurred.

The Doomsday Machine is my favorite TOS Episode.

You have to watch TOS with the remastered Special Effects. Holy COW! They are great. Watching the Enterprise get down low and STRAFE the Doomsday Machine is great. Same said in Balance of Terror and the final fight in Ultimate Computer. The new effects totally improve the classic episodes.

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RE: April 1944 - 1/30/2017 9:27:34 PM   
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Star Trek TNG? To that I say...

WESLEY CRUSHER.

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But Beverly wasn't all bad.

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RE: April 1944 - 1/30/2017 9:48:03 PM   
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Question for other StarTrek dorkwads like myself out there: Do you think that your preferred series had to do with when you were 'coming of age' on the topic? Would the proverbial millennials think ST:TNG was the best by virtue of their age and exposure to something new, or would they think "Enterprise" was better because of temporal bias?


As a literal actual millennial (just); TOS was I think the only one that you could ever call innovative or interesting as more than just a TV show; it's incredibly striking that were you to, as an example, watch a 1960s sitcom and a 1960s ST episode (well, some of them), one after the other, muted, you would completely, immediately, fundamentally understand that here has been an enormous technological change - I mean, noone spends half an hour treknobabbling about the quartz tachyon thing, they just make a call on their mobile phone and it passes without comment, which of course is uninteresting today but wasn't so in 1960whatever. It was such a big thing that millions of nerds basically lost their minds over it and dedicated their lives to making the stuff they saw on TV into reality.

The TNG onwards stuff is...not like that; TNG goes some places because of virtuoso acting, and a few more because Roddenberry (who was interesting, being simultaneously scientifically imaginative and uninformed, and also an utter creep) stopped being involved so much after S3 (it is interesting how many people note that change probably without knowing why!) so writers could do some stuff that didn't fit the mold; DS9 goes some places because it turns into an actual big-scope drama with a plot, but it could just as easily be set in a castle or on an island or another entirely different space station in another conceptual universe or whatever and not much would change but the wrapping.

The...problem is that when you sit down and think about them too hard the implications of the lack of imagination actually involved in using the earlier stuff as a wrapping can get...well, frankly, extremely creepy and unpleasant. You do have to think about them too hard! But, well, once "humanity spends 400 years in space and doesn't develop a single new metaphor" and "this is magic or, at best, homeopathy wearing science as a skin", which are essentially what the supposedly-technologically-innovative stuff boils down to, registered with me I could never look at them again without feeling weirded out.

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RE: April 1944 - 1/30/2017 10:17:52 PM   
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Star Trek TNG? To that I say...

WESLEY CRUSHER.

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But Beverly wasn't all bad.


And although she was overrated Troi didn't hurt one's eyes too much either.

Beverly was the Mary Ann to Troi's Ginger IMO. Yeah, I know, got the hair colors all wrong.

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RE: April 1944 - 1/30/2017 10:45:57 PM   
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RE: April 1944 - 1/31/2017 12:07:16 AM   
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RE: April 1944 - 1/31/2017 1:20:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		My eldest chimes in that DS9 is the best. He has seen EVERY Trek episode EVER! He says "the Dominion War and side story lines that actually matter."

Favorite Episode of ANY Trek: TOS--Doomsday Machine or Ultimate Computer, TNG--Best of Both Worlds, DS9--Way of the Warrior (bring in WORF!), the final episode of Voyager, and E2 of Enterprise.

He wanted one or more from each series.


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RE: April 1944 - 1/31/2017 1:21:52 AM   
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RE: April 1944 - 1/31/2017 12:10:43 PM   
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RE: April 1944 - 1/31/2017 12:40:50 PM   
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RE: April 1944 - 1/31/2017 1:14:33 PM   
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Favorite series: The original series. The characters were the best. The interplay between Spock, Kirk, and McCoy made the series great. The plots were not always the best but the characters were wonderful.

DS9 sucked because it was set in a space station. You can't explore worlds and go where no one has gone before when you are stuck on a space station


I myself prefer TOS. Never really cared much for later series. Well, except for T'pol from Enterprise. She certainly drew my interest.

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RE: April 1944 - 1/31/2017 1:49:21 PM   
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Working on major updates...


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RE: April 1944 - 1/31/2017 2:08:54 PM   
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WEll there is still some excellent Science Fiction on TV. Season 2 of The Expanse starts Wednesday night on SyFy. You can catch up on season 1 on Amazon Prime but it is not required watching to watch the new series. Although season 1 kicks ass. What's The Expanse? Space Opera at it's finest. Palace intrigue, real politics, saber rattling, espionage, hi tech, space battles, rail guns Battle Cruisers, Marines and deadly plagues. The books are outstanding. Kind of like Game of Thones in space. Highest recommendation, family safe.


My wife went to school with and remained long-terms friends with Daniel Abraham, one half of the "James S.A. Corey" that wrote the books in "The Expanse". We get some interesting teasers from time to time. Very happy to see the popularity and reception for this series.

We have enjoyed the books and the series very much thus far. The series in particular seems to have really taken off, leading to (ala "Game of Thrones") a resurgence in the books.

No spoilers here, but I'd say that those that have liked Season 1 of The Expanse should watch Season 2 before they start on the books, as the respective timelines overlap. You may read something in the books that hasn't yet occurred in the series or vice-versa.

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RE: April 1944 - 1/31/2017 2:21:39 PM   
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RE: April 1944 - 1/31/2017 2:43:47 PM   
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RE: April 1944 - 1/31/2017 3:08:44 PM   
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Sorry to fill this page with filler, but it appears as though JohnDillworth has posted recently in CR's AAR and brought his to the top. No doubt some esoteric piffle about some obscure CAS junior officer. Consider this a placeholder for the big update expected later today.
now hold on a second. Just earlier today I contributed to the non relevant portion of the this AAR. As for the game itself I can't really contribute as I read both AAR's and either player would be crazy to listen to any advice I could offer. In the spirit of fair play I will post this picture of Milana Vayntrup (The AT&T girl). Discuss among yourselves but this should drive the post count up Yeessshhh




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RE: April 1944 - 1/31/2017 3:20:47 PM   
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Btw, best SF movies imho from old "Blade Runner" and newer "Event Horizon" (even if it turns horror towards the end )

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RE: April 1944 - 1/31/2017 4:10:24 PM   
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Sorry to fill this page with filler, but it appears as though JohnDillworth has posted recently in CR's AAR and brought his to the top. No doubt some esoteric piffle about some obscure CAS junior officer. Consider this a placeholder for the big update expected later today.
now hold on a second. Just earlier today I contributed to the non relevant portion of the this AAR. As for the game itself I can't really contribute as I read both AAR's and either player would be crazy to listen to any advice I could offer. In the spirit of fair play I will post this picture of Milana Vayntrup (The AT&T girl). Discuss among yourselves but this should drive the post count up Yeessshhh





She can be my 'carrier' any day.

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