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RE: July 1944 - 4/27/2017 5:20:22 PM   
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Notice is served to the Allies this day. A Daitai of 27 ZEROs depart Kendari with their target being Ternate. Ten planes get thru the CAP over an Allied Invasion TF. Of those ten THREE deliberately crash into 2 AP and an AK.

The Kamikaze is here...


Love it!

Small SR=1 groups of kamikaze aircraft will raise Caine with his extended and underdefended LOS, particularly in the Southern DEI.

What's the combat report damage like on those AP/AK? Think they'll burn and sink?

ETA: 47 American ships were sunk by kamikaze during the war. This doesn't count those that recovered to port and were scrapped as being unfit for further service or even otherwise badly damaged. That number is in the hundreds. Glad to see you're starting your 'ledger'.

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RE: July 1944 - 4/27/2017 7:11:13 PM   
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Where those a kamikaze unit? Or do ALL Japanese planes have a chance to go kamikaze on any attack?

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RE: July 1944 - 4/27/2017 9:21:35 PM   
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You have to set the unit to be a Kamikaze. It cost points to convert them.

John ... Did they fly with bombs? Look at the combat report and it will say. I also remember bomb loads not always being in line with range. Meaning sometimes even when in normal range they would fly with the reduced bomb load.

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RE: July 1944 - 4/27/2017 11:30:54 PM   
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You have to set the unit to be a Kamikaze. It cost points to convert them.

John ... Did they fly with bombs? Look at the combat report and it will say. I also remember bomb loads not always being in line with range. Meaning sometimes even when in normal range they would fly with the reduced bomb load.

Wa



Answer: YES! They were little, baby 60 Kg bombs but they added to the punch some.





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RE: July 1944 - 4/27/2017 11:44:43 PM   
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July 7-8, 1944

South Pacific
The Kido Butai-3 continues its retirement towards fueling at Tulagi. A strike of 68 F and 56 Jill encounter 10 F4U and brush them aside for a bomb run on Efate's Port. Nothing is hit and the Japanese take only 2-3 aircraft losses. During the turn 'sinking' sounds are heard. Perhaps something more from this foray. The TF will arrive at Tulagi tomorrow for fuel and replennishment. They are joined by 4 DDs sent from the Marianas to help thicken their screen.

After a day at Tulagi, the TF will dart NE and LRCAP Nauru Isle. Dan has been hitting it with 4-5 Squadrons of B-25 or smaller planes without any fighter escort. I plan to dine well over the skies of Nauru!

Itbayat (South of Formosa)
A small garrison of troops have been holding out very nicely against a weak Allied invasion. Make an educated guess that Dan will send in reinforcements and shot in 3 Second-Class Matsu DDs. These ships were headed south to join up with Musashi and Nagato but are now not needed so they get a chance to attack.

Sortieing from Takao they zip in (top speed only 27 Knots) and catch an Allied TF by complete surprise. The DDs sink an AP, 2 AK, and damage an SC. They take no damage in return. Later in the round they incounter 2 old DDs and 2 DMS. Both Allied DDs get hit and one Japanese DD takes two shells. The little TF makes good its escape and returns to Takao. The damaged DD is sent to Shanghai for quick repairs. Nice, quick cheap action.

Thailand/Malaya
Tavoy
A small garrison has held the Allies up for over two weeks. The Allies attack again and drop the Forts to ZERO but don't take the base. It will fall on the next attack but the delay helps the Japanese cause.

55,59
The hex is NE of Tavoy and it holds off an Allied attack (1-2) as well. This is just a TK Reg but it holds Chinese Corps without issue.

Air Production Query
I have five production lines that at 12 planes or less presently. Am considering changing them over to something new to either (1.) add to existing production or (2.) start a minor research line into something coming. Any suggestions and/or comments?

Screenshot
You can see Convoy TK-5 moving along the China Coast and the DD thrust:




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RE: July 1944 - 4/27/2017 11:50:41 PM   
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Here is one of my 'fearsome' warriors:





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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 1:37:15 AM   
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Kamikazes can be a lot of fun, but also frustrating and hard to use effectively.

Well done on a successful raid. I saw those puny zekes knock out the 16" battery on a battleship once. Good at destroying devices, even if they just scratch the paint otherwise.

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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 2:32:37 AM   
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Well...I am about to 'graduate' about 700 pilots whose Low Nav skill is 50+...


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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 2:40:07 AM   
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All my IJN pilots and some of my IJA pilots are trained/training in LowNav. Have BUNCHES of IJA pilots trained as bomber pilots. Has anyone ever done a study on sending planes at 1,000 Ft AND planes at HIGH Altitude? How effective might that be to split the CAP?

Just wondering...


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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 11:52:43 AM   
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All my IJN pilots and some of my IJA pilots are trained/training in LowNav. Have BUNCHES of IJA pilots trained as bomber pilots. Has anyone ever done a study on sending planes at 1,000 Ft AND planes at HIGH Altitude? How effective might that be to split the CAP?

Just wondering...




Kamikazes prosecute all attacks using LowN. However, the strategy you mention does work, and the high altitude approach minimizes flak loss during that phase.




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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 12:56:08 PM   
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Well...I am about to 'graduate' about 700 pilots whose Low Nav skill is 50+...



If memory suits, some 4,000 IJAAF and IJNAF men were used in this manner in the war. Will your training programs and / or airframe pools be able to support this level of historical commitment?

Although I haven't been fortunate enough to be in a position to employ the Divine Wind in any of my PBEMs, I prepare accordingly from day one. Once IJAAF 2E bombers are diminished in front-line importance, I have the groups start training for their 'next role'. I have several groups that begin kamikaze training in early 1942 and the number expands progressively throughout the next year and a half (full disclosure: never made it to 1944 in a Sc. 1 or 2 PBEM). So my late 1943 pools have several hundred (thousand +?) already. With almost a full year to go.

A few questions:

1. When did you begin training pilots in earnest for the kamikaze mission?
2. How many do you have available now?
3. What airframes do you have in mind for initial deployment in this capacity?

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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 1:54:26 PM   
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quote:

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Well...I am about to 'graduate' about 700 pilots whose Low Nav skill is 50+...



If memory suits, some 4,000 IJAAF and IJNAF men were used in this manner in the war. Will your training programs and / or airframe pools be able to support this level of historical commitment?

Although I haven't been fortunate enough to be in a position to employ the Divine Wind in any of my PBEMs, I prepare accordingly from day one. Once IJAAF 2E bombers are diminished in front-line importance, I have the groups start training for their 'next role'. I have several groups that begin kamikaze training in early 1942 and the number expands progressively throughout the next year and a half (full disclosure: never made it to 1944 in a Sc. 1 or 2 PBEM). So my late 1943 pools have several hundred (thousand +?) already. With almost a full year to go.

A few questions:

1. When did you begin training pilots in earnest for the kamikaze mission?
2. How many do you have available now?
3. What airframes do you have in mind for initial deployment in this capacity?


I've started in late 43 and been fine. I usually train some naval pilots to use in Jakes at 1k and they later serve as kami pilots if they survive. Other 1E and 2E IJAAF pilots are cross trained while doing ASW to low naval. This forms a good base from early on, but those pilots are used and gain a lot of experience too.

Even if you're behind, you can train an enormous amount of kami pilots in the training groups that begin to arrive in late 44. A crop of 70 skill low naval pilots come through every month or so, and there are zillions of training groups by April 45, and they just keep arriving. Good for late war escort training fodder too.

I'd be interested to test how much difference skill level and exp matter for kamis as well. They die in droves and hit sporadically, especially with improved AA. Very effective if they hit though!


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All my IJN pilots and some of my IJA pilots are trained/training in LowNav. Have BUNCHES of IJA pilots trained as bomber pilots. Has anyone ever done a study on sending planes at 1,000 Ft AND planes at HIGH Altitude? How effective might that be to split the CAP?

Just wondering...




Kamikazes prosecute all attacks using LowN. However, the strategy you mention does work, and the high altitude approach minimizes flak loss during that phase.



Nemo was vocal years ago about doing this with enormous numbers involved. This was before enhanced flak and coordination fixes. It should still split the CAP but it means the escorts and kamis might be split and not coordinate too. Especially if many bases are involved. Very hard to make it work.

I tried a lot in late game and found that it's a great strategy if balanced by a combined DB/TB/kami strike from the KB coming in coordinated and busting through the big blue blanket at some point in the masse wave of strikes.





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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 2:12:22 PM   
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I tried a lot in late game and found that it's a great strategy if balanced by a combined DB/TB/kami strike from the KB coming in coordinated and busting through the big blue blanket at some point in the masse wave of strikes.



Yes...A punch not a slap.

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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 2:56:34 PM   
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I tried a lot in late game and found that it's a great strategy if balanced by a combined DB/TB/kami strike from the KB coming in coordinated and busting through the big blue blanket at some point in the masse wave of strikes.


Goodbye 2000 planes...but about the only viable strategy.

The other tactic is setting the ranges to different amounts in the hopes of either drawing off the CAP or hitting lesser protected ships or ---- wait for it --- ships that have reacted away!

The holistic zen of Japan and late game is getting the local commanders to react away from the player's control.

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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 3:34:44 PM   
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July 10, 1944

The hopes of Japan getting the economy to 1945 rests on eighteen fully laden Tankers. The convoy is designed TK-5. They enter the Formosa Strait at dawn and hug the China coast. About 0730 the first relay of nearly 100 Fighters take up station as a protective umbrella. While the ship commanders cheer this development, the Fighter pilots KNOW the scale of the Allied Armada. A 100 Fighter planes is not enough against the might of the Allied Carrier Task Force.

The leaders of the Daitai and Sentai also know something bone-chilling. During the night the Allied Fleet aggressively lunges forward to just a 60 miles off the coast of Formosa. This convoy is a HUGE prize for them.

At 0815 an American Search Plane spots the convoy...


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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 3:37:02 PM   
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If you have been bleeding the deathstar with cap traps, there is hope the deathstar is on very limited naval strikes.


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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 4:08:39 PM   
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July 10, 1944

...1000 passes, 1200 passes, two more search planes spot the convoy with both being shot down. If that doesn't send a message to the Allies, NOTHING will. There is LRCAP over this convoy--STAY AWAY! The afternoon moves along 1400, 1600, 1800, and then---THANK THE GODS---the sun sets.

NO American strike when these big, fat vulnerable targets were within range.

BANZAI!

(Now I can go and take my heart medication!)


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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 4:09:48 PM   
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July 10, 1944

SW of Formosa a group of three MTB finds THIS!





Just a bit of overkill--wouldn't you agree??!!


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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 4:11:29 PM   
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16" hits an ML?!? That's gonna leave a dent that will be hard to buff out

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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 4:11:36 PM   
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SW of Formosa a group of three MTB finds THIS!

Just a bit of overkill--wouldn't you agree??!!



You didn't tell us how the combat turned out! The suspense is killing me! Did your 3 MTBs carry the day?











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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 4:19:18 PM   
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Looks like New Jersey has her war paint on.

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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 4:26:09 PM   
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Looks like New Jersey has her war paint on.

Pfft...painted Jezebel.

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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 4:33:59 PM   
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Lost one but the other two lived to tell the tale. I think the radio communications from the surviving MTBs cannot be printed!

Wiped out the American TF though...


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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 4:34:10 PM   
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...NOT!

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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 5:10:57 PM   
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But surely you MUST have sunk Two Carriers, a Battleship and Numerous Cruisers and Destroyers!

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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 7:52:27 PM   
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16" hits an ML?!? That's gonna leave a dent that will be hard to buff out


a dent ? In what the shell ?

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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 8:11:16 PM   
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16" hits an ML?!? That's gonna leave a dent that will be hard to buff out


a dent ? In what the shell ?




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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 8:53:59 PM   
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So, John, have you tried the low CAP settings yet? Any results?

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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 9:09:39 PM   
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16" hits an ML?!? That's gonna leave a dent that will be hard to buff out








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RE: July 1944 - 4/28/2017 11:19:33 PM   
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But surely you MUST have sunk Two Carriers, a Battleship and Numerous Cruisers and Destroyers!


Tokyo Rose must have missed this fantastically GLORIOUS victory!

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