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RE: September 1944 - 7/7/2017 6:20:25 PM   
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Who fills TFs automatically when creating them (unless by accident)?



I think lots of people do. When I see pictures of tracker screens and see the size of the fuel bunker, I feel very confident that it is a widespread failing.


Is that what "fuel bunker" indicates in tracker? Huh... learn something new every day. That is good news for me then. So, when tracker calculates, for example, that I have 400K fuel less in March 1942 than I did at the start of the war, it includes the fuel that I have siphoned off from AKs into other ships and the fact that I run most cargo TFs near empty on tactical refuel? If so, then I am using less fuel than I thought, if tracker is taking into account this fuel in existing ships at anchor.

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RE: September 1944 - 7/7/2017 8:00:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I concur with the comments above. This load will carry me until 1945.

There is another, smaller TK TF at Balikpapan carrying 80,000 Fuel. Am strongly considering running it through with just LRCAP to try to buy another couple of weeks for the economy.

PLAN: Empty the TKs and return to the Marianas. Operation Aurora will take place within 10 days and the warship--once Aurora is complete--will return to the same locale and escort the Tankers back to the DEI.


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RE: September 1944 - 7/7/2017 8:16:07 PM   
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Empty the TKs and return to the Marianas. Operation Aurora will take place within 10 days and the warship--once Aurora is complete--will return to the same locale and escort the Tankers back to the DEI.
lather, rinse, repeat...As long as Dan is not going to engage just keep running fuel and oil back the long way

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RE: September 1944 - 7/7/2017 9:31:55 PM   
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Who fills TFs automatically when creating them (unless by accident)?



I think lots of people do. When I see pictures of tracker screens and see the size of the fuel bunker, I feel very confident that it is a widespread failing.


Of course, every Allies player that lives does...

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RE: September 1944 - 7/7/2017 11:12:11 PM   
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Who fills TFs automatically when creating them (unless by accident)?



I think lots of people do. When I see pictures of tracker screens and see the size of the fuel bunker, I feel very confident that it is a widespread failing.


Of course, every Allies player that lives does...


Yea, frankly I was wondering what on earth they were talking about.

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RE: September 1944 - 7/7/2017 11:38:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Considering that Eastern USA produces over 14,000,000 fuel per year, why should an Allied player worry about it?

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RE: September 1944 - 7/7/2017 11:55:09 PM   
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Yea, frankly I was wondering what on earth they were talking about.


As the allies, you get click fatigue from going through thousands of ships and air units in the late war. As the Japanese player, you get fatigue the entire game from micromanaging every ship's fuel and paying close attention to the supply and resource levels at every base.

It is an entire different set of play habits: juggling TFs from "do not refuel" to "tactical refuel" to the occassional "full refuel" (mostly only for combat ships); clicking on TFs in transit each turn to make sure that they have enough fuel to reach their destination; and then learning the hard way that it is a good idea to have a few fast oilers or large xAKs dispersed around the empire to chase after the occasional TF that does something unexpected and does not have enough fuel to reach its destination.

My favorite fumble as Japan in my current game is the need to sortie 3xAKs from Babeldaod to refuel a TF with 3 loaded tankers. (The TKs were filled to the brim with oil).

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RE: September 1944 - 7/8/2017 3:06:19 PM   
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We're going to see how quickly this injection of Fuel and Oil has an impact on the economy. Here is a screenshot from September 13, 1944 the day before the Tankers started unloading. Think we'll Post screenshots on the 20th and again at the end of the month. After that we'll work the 15th and 30th for October.





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RE: September 1944 - 7/8/2017 3:08:09 PM   
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RE: September 1944 - 7/8/2017 4:30:13 PM   
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As expected, the conquest of Formosa will take the Allies about a month. Though bases have fallen far easier then I could ever have imagined, this conquest--to me--is superfluous. Dan had picked up several large AF on the China Coast and he could simply have driven on Shanghai before I ever had a chance to concentrate. Alas, he chose to go after Formosa. GOOD. It has kept him occupied elsewhere and he's focused his Strategically Tactical 4EB hitting troops INSTEAD of Japan.

Now, the ramifications of taking all of Formosa is quite serious. He should be able to concentrate all of his 4EB there and they can then range just about anywhere over the Home Islands.

Question I have is Allied Fighter Ranges. From Formosa, can any of his Fighters reach the homeland?

Next Allied Step:
Think he needs to mount another major operation to get close enough to base Fighters for Sweeping purposes. To me that means one of three options:

1. Okinawa--He'd gain two major bases for Fighters as well as the the base just north of the Island.
2. China--He can simply move all those troops (6 Inf Divisions+) from Formosa to China and re-start his offensive pressing east towards Shanghai.
3. Korea--South Korea would be daring and it has very few troops on the Port Hexes.
4. Isles next to Kyushu.

Actions:
1. Okinawa--This base is Forts-6 (which makes no difference as we've seen in Formosa) and maxed out garrison. Have loaded a Task Force carrying 25,000 supply to add to the 20,000/Base already present.

2. China--All Chinese bases east of the Allied lodgement have engineers and Infantry. Forts are climbing and so any action here will take valuable time. Supply is OK.

The Allies are about to be seriously occupied as an Offensive begins from the west. The empty hex between the bases is about to be taken from the Americans forcing the Allied lines to be separated and not able to support each other.

3. Korea--To be honest, I had not thought about this area whatsoever. It is now being fixed as multiple engineer units and 2-3 Artillery units are on the rail leading to EVERY Port along the southern/western edge of the peninsula.

4. Isles--Have small garrisons are any Isle that has the potential for serious AF development. Several small TF are carrying two units each to begin Fort construction on the Isles west of Kyushu.






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RE: September 1944 - 7/8/2017 4:36:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		The forts do not help substantially in clear terrain. Okinawa is rough terrain, if I recall correctly. This is a nut that should not crack easily if you have it at max stacking limits. Do you have a good unit mix there? Some artillery, armor, and anti-tank?

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RE: September 1944 - 7/8/2017 4:52:21 PM   
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RE: September 1944 - 7/8/2017 5:21:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Korea is the real prize as it allows multiple allied fighter types to sweep and escort. Moreover, it offers bases big enough to support all of his B-24s, which are more dangerous than the B-29's as there are scads of them and they have a low service rating. Sweeping fighters and B-24's (and some medium bombers) during the day with B-29's at night would end the war in a long weekend. The problem is you really need Shanghai or Okinawa to take Korea. Running ships and supplies past that gauntlet is extremely difficult for the allies. Too much LBA, kamikazes, detection and shallow water. I'm not speaking out of school even through I read Dans thread but he has tendencies. Taking little islands nobody is really thinking about seems like Dan so I would not be surprised if he goes that way.

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RE: September 1944 - 7/8/2017 5:50:35 PM   
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Question I have is Allied Fighter Ranges. From Formosa, can any of his Fighters reach the homeland?

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Not really. P51D is the best but the cost would be forbidding. He needs to be closer.


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RE: September 1944 - 7/8/2017 6:52:38 PM   
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4. Isles--Have small garrisons are any Isle that has the potential for serious AF development. Several small TF are carrying two units each to begin Fort construction on the Isles west of Kyushu.




Even a size 1 airbase will become a size 4 field and really hurt you. I would look to give no more free lunches to the Allies. A size 0 becomes a float plane base to search from.


I just watched Wargmr land in Sakhalin steaming right past the Kuriles....so I think you might be underestimating Allies ability to go anywhere.

Also those small bases are perfect for running constant naval bombardments from.



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RE: September 1944 - 7/8/2017 6:52:51 PM   
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Korea is the real prize as it allows multiple allied fighter types to sweep and escort. Moreover, it offers bases big enough to support all of his B-24s, which are more dangerous than the B-29's as there are scads of them and they have a low service rating. Sweeping fighters and B-24's (and some medium bombers) during the day with B-29's at night would end the war in a long weekend. The problem is you really need Shanghai or Okinawa to take Korea. Running ships and supplies past that gauntlet is extremely difficult for the allies. Too much LBA, kamikazes, detection and shallow water. I'm not speaking out of school even through I read Dans thread but he has tendencies. Taking little islands nobody is really thinking about seems like Dan so I would not be surprised if he goes that way.


You hit my thinking on the head. I lean towards Okinawa or those smaller islands right next to Kyushu. This is where mobile reinforcements will move to for the next month or so.

If he does come to Korea, then he'll encounter resistance. I am forming a mobile counterattack force at Seoul of 5 ID and Armor support.


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RE: September 1944 - 7/8/2017 6:56:34 PM   
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Question I have is Allied Fighter Ranges. From Formosa, can any of his Fighters reach the homeland?

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Not really. P51D is the best but the cost would be forbidding. He needs to be closer.



So....we are agreed that he needs to make at least one more move before all HE** breaks lose. This shall also mean that he'll need to keep his CVs close in their purely defensive role of CAP Ships. Good. Gives a decent chance for one more run by my TKs.

Had a small Judy Kamikaze strike (3 planes!) hit the 1.0x10^6 and they encountered 1200 fighters.

His CVs COULD Have launched strikes at several convoys running away from him recently and not a single plane flew. If he EVER cuts the CVs loose then I am in trouble. At this point it doesn't look imminent.


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RE: September 1944 - 7/8/2017 7:46:25 PM   
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Question I have is Allied Fighter Ranges. From Formosa, can any of his Fighters reach the homeland?

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Not really. P51D is the best but the cost would be forbidding. He needs to be closer.



So....we are agreed that he needs to make at least one more move before all HE** breaks lose. This shall also mean that he'll need to keep his CVs close in their purely defensive role of CAP Ships. Good. Gives a decent chance for one more run by my TKs.

Had a small Judy Kamikaze strike (3 planes!) hit the 1.0x10^6 and they encountered 1200 fighters.

His CVs COULD Have launched strikes at several convoys running away from him recently and not a single plane flew. If he EVER cuts the CVs loose then I am in trouble. At this point it doesn't look imminent.



He is in range now.

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RE: September 1944 - 7/8/2017 8:31:30 PM   
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..and CD at BOTH ends.



And beaucoup AAA I hope?

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RE: September 1944 - 7/8/2017 8:50:10 PM   
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And beaucoup AAA I hope?


I've got three on each end. All that could be currently moved there. Home Islands get priority.



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RE: September 1944 - 7/8/2017 8:51:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Have got 2,000 VP stockpiled for the surrenders coming in Formosa. Will buy units out as fast as possible and then rebuild them. Good way to provide all sorts of Home Defense reinforcements...


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RE: September 1944 - 7/8/2017 8:54:46 PM   
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Interesting situation developing here. Have an American ID hanging on by its fingernails. A Japanese ID (full strength) moves into the hex for another assault tomorrow.

Dan brought in a bombardment TF that HAD to stay in the hex to attack. LIKE THAT. Into Canton flies 150 Fighters, 69 Kami DBs, and 130 Torpedo Bombers. All are set to range 6 and MAYBE there will be serious fireworks next turn.




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RE: September 1944 - 7/8/2017 9:04:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		In clear and coastal terrain like that, you can bet that they'll be targetted by bombardment TFs, fighter sweeps and 4EBs next turn so that you don't cause more damage to that ID. Do you have some LRCAP up there to help fend off the inevitable flies?

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RE: September 1944 - 7/8/2017 9:16:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Two Sentai of Franks are on LR CAP. No 4EB--he can 'only' hit base hexes and not open hexes.

Two Sentai of Frank will SWEEP next turn and then we have the hoped for strikes...


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RE: September 1944 - 7/8/2017 9:49:59 PM   
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RE: September 1944 - 7/9/2017 1:18:38 AM   
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Have got 2,000 VP stockpiled


Ah, how I *wish* I could stockpile VPs. Alas, I assume you meant Political Points (PPs)?

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RE: September 1944 - 7/9/2017 3:29:16 AM   
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RE: September 1944 - 7/9/2017 7:24:34 AM   
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RE: September 1944 - 7/9/2017 7:26:18 AM   
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Wenchow, CHINA

How often does one see Japanese PT/MTB score a success? Five American DDs come calling at Wenchow and they get a hot reception!





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RE: September 1944 - 7/9/2017 7:27:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Talk about immediate changes with Fuel and Oil now home. The economy added 5,041 HI this turn to the surplus. That is just one day.

Supply, seemingly, appeared at a number of locations as well.

We need it ALL!


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