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RE: February 1945 - 11/30/2017 6:37:45 PM   
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25 days left in the game seems doable...



???

February 17-April 1= 41 or 42, depending on whether February, 1945 was a leap year. No, I cannot be arsed to go back to 1945 to make that determination.



'44 was the leap year that occurred during the war.

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RE: February 1945 - 11/30/2017 7:01:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		My point is that there is c25K vp cushion, and I think it reasonable for Allies to garner over 1000 per day net.

So, victory could happen in 25 days...40 or more days means a much slower accumulation of VPs.






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RE: February 1945 - 12/3/2017 1:48:05 PM   
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The ground reinforcements I have coming in over the next ten days is fairly staggering. I have—literally—13 Inf Div arriving. They come in at 33-50% strength but that is a significant amount. Having never seriously gone this far into the game I find all these reinforcements coming in NOW rather perplexing. Six months ago they would have been HUGE. Now—just simply nice—but not that big of deal.



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RE: February 1945 - 12/3/2017 1:54:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I recon that represents the last gasp of the empire. Scraping the barrel on last time for the final fight. I presume the intention of this formations was home defense. Unlike the empire you industry and supply are in pretty good shape so you probably have the devices to fill them out, but I suspect the squads you have are of low quality and little experience. Well, you go to war with the arm you got

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RE: February 1945 - 12/3/2017 5:53:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		It ain't much but, even at the strength they come in, they will add 2,000 AV to the HOme Isles. Right now I have four different locations with 3,000+ AV and three more with 2,000+ AV. Tokyo has nearly 4,000 AV by itself.


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RE: February 1945 - 12/3/2017 7:49:36 PM   
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February 17, 1945

The ground reinforcements I have coming in over the next ten days is fairly staggering. I have—literally—13 Inf Div arriving. They come in at 33-50% strength but that is a significant amount. Having never seriously gone this far into the game I find all these reinforcements coming in NOW rather perplexing. Six months ago they would have been HUGE. Now—just simply nice—but not that big of deal.




If you can get them to Korea however . . .

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RE: February 1945 - 12/3/2017 8:58:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've moved five full strength ID over there without issue. One more is on the way. CURRENTLY I control the air of Chinhae and Fusan. There isn't much hope but it is worth the attempt I think...


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RE: February 1945 - 12/3/2017 9:05:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are those new infantry divisions actually new, or just rebuilt units to replace destroyed divisions from China, Philippines, etc?

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RE: February 1945 - 12/3/2017 10:20:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good Question: about 1/3 rebuilt and 2/3 new.


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RE: February 1945 - 12/4/2017 12:35:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		SO their EXP is really low, and their morale is low? So dial that "AV" down to about an effective AV of 100 if that? What sort of devices/guns/aa/at do they have?

IDK, just asking questions.

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RE: February 1945 - 12/4/2017 12:49:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like the Germans with their final offensive against the Americans in the Ardennes.

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RE: February 1945 - 12/4/2017 8:31:52 AM   
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Sounds like the Germans with their final offensive against the Americans in the Ardennes.
Nah.....those were good troops, but th last of the god troops. After that it was old men and kids.

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RE: February 1945 - 12/4/2017 9:40:34 AM   
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Getting all these training units for airpower right now too. WISH they had been six months ago as well!

My IJN pools are pretty much shot with little training now occurring. IJA is still pretty fair with about 1,000 trained pilots available to fill in losses. Should be able to keep up this pace of fighting for at 6-8 more weeks with IJA. IJN air has been massively augmented with the arrival of the CV Air Groups but Dan hasn't come upon them with any of his bombing attacks as of yet. Am introducing these Daitai with average experience of 75-80 where I WANT Them and not where they shall be senselessly lost.


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RE: February 1945 - 12/4/2017 10:14:30 AM   
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Sounds like the Germans with their final offensive against the Americans in the Ardennes.


The 6th Panzer Army would be handy in Korea right now

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RE: February 1945 - 12/4/2017 12:01:36 PM   
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RE: February 1945 - 12/4/2017 1:32:41 PM   
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The problem with all those new LCUs is the amount of supply you will need to make them useful. Can you afford it?!?


They only thing Japan should have not on stockpile, is : Type 3 Tanks (perhaps the late war Light Tank too), CS Tanks, IJA 43 squads,ART, AA and that is pretty much it.

Unless of course supply will last you for the next two months. Then have at it.

At this point, VPs are usually the most important factor, supply second. If Allies think they can win the game in 40 days, try to last 60 and plan accordingly.



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RE: February 1945 - 12/4/2017 3:04:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		The real key here is whether he plans a Home Isles invasion. I am truly beginning to doubt it.

If there is no invasion then I have several important decisions:
1. There is time to allow these new troops some chance to fill out.
2. I can move, if I want to, another 3-4 strong IDs to Korea to make this a bit more of a real challenge. Have moved five full strength ID to Chinhae and have another in Fusan. Would have a chance to think OFFENSIVELY until he figures it out...
3. The Surface Fleet is at Hiroshima. I have two TFs of 3 CA and 5 DD, a TF of 2 BB and 6 DD, and another TF of 2 BC and 5 DD. Have a BC, CA, and several DDs repairing. A final TF of 3 CV, 1 BB, and 8 DDs will arrive at Yokohoma in 3-4 days. Put together, I have enough warships to, potentially, lay a pretty good smack onto him.
4. Have a BUNCH (750 or so with the 3 CVs approaching) of mad, highly trained fighter pilots (in SAMS) available for action. Could shift them over to GEORGE. Wonder if that is good or not...

Everything is spoiling action now. He THINKS this is done by the end of--say March--then lets fix it so he cannot achieve that. RIGHT?

I have separated the CVLs, 2 CAs, and 5 DDs to cause some trouble in the DEI. He is slowly working on Malaya and is using some shipping to achieve things. It is backwater but I am going to raise the temperature there fairly quickly...

Can do this as well as finish escorting in all my empty Tankers. Might as well. He THINKS this is done but Japan says it ain't over until I've lost one of the major Home Islands.

BANZAI!

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RE: February 1945 - 12/4/2017 3:15:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Moving 750 Sams over to George is a heck of a lot of supply.

Great fighting attitude.

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RE: February 1945 - 12/4/2017 4:19:30 PM   
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Can do this as well as finish escorting in all my empty Tankers. Might as well. He THINKS this is done but Japan says it ain't over until I've lost one of the major Home Islands


I have been here once as a AFB .. I think CR can achieve 2:1 without invading the home islands ..

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RE: February 1945 - 12/4/2017 4:48:14 PM   
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Can do this as well as finish escorting in all my empty Tankers. Might as well. He THINKS this is done but Japan says it ain't over until I've lost one of the major Home Islands


I have been here once as a AFB .. I think CR can achieve 2:1 without invading the home islands ..

And yet achieving this pyrhhic victory (winning on points despite leaving the Home Islands largely intact) doesn't seem to bother him. Hmmm. Interesting.

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RE: February 1945 - 12/4/2017 5:15:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		“And yet achieving this pyrhhic victory (winning on points despite leaving the Home Islands largely intact) doesn't seem to bother him. Hmmm. Interesting”

I don’t recall Operation Olympic nor Operation Coronet actually happening in real life

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RE: February 1945 - 12/4/2017 6:00:27 PM   
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And yet achieving this pyrhhic victory (winning on points despite leaving the Home Islands largely intact) doesn't seem to bother him. Hmmm. Interesting.


A little too much redmeat there...

Allies will probably take almost all of China and half of Korea or more before the end.

Better than irl.

No reason for the Allies to ever have to invade Home Islands to win.

Although it is a lot fun!


There is still so much fight left in Japan for a game at this stage....

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RE: February 1945 - 12/4/2017 8:35:24 PM   
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“And yet achieving this pyrhhic victory (winning on points despite leaving the Home Islands largely intact) doesn't seem to bother him. Hmmm. Interesting”

I don’t recall Operation Olympic nor Operation Coronet actually happening in real life


Neither did the Allies chide the Japanese to fight to the last man in a theater and manner of their own choosing. After losing an Army on Sumatra. I'm just calling out the stilted perspective of the Allied player for how the Japanese 'ought to' approach realism in this game while downplaying any requisite for realism on their own handling of the war.

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RE: February 1945 - 12/4/2017 9:22:17 PM   
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“And yet achieving this pyrhhic victory (winning on points despite leaving the Home Islands largely intact) doesn't seem to bother him. Hmmm. Interesting”

I don’t recall Operation Olympic nor Operation Coronet actually happening in real life


Neither did the Allies chide the Japanese to fight to the last man in a theater and manner of their own choosing. After losing an Army on Sumatra. I'm just calling out the stilted perspective of the Allied player for how the Japanese 'ought to' approach realism in this game while downplaying any requisite for realism on their own handling of the war.


His handling of the game is as realistic as it gets.

Its a game, not a war.

No one is FORCED to invade Japan to win.

Obviously, the Allies can afford to lose and army, and much more, and still roll on to win.

Have to say I don't take kindly to your trashing him behind his back.


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RE: February 1945 - 12/4/2017 9:35:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Whether winning by points or by occupying the HI is the right way to 'win' is entirely up to CR and John. We should feel honored they chose to share their adventure with us. But they made it all the way to 1945. In my book, they both win.

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RE: February 1945 - 12/4/2017 10:21:23 PM   
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Neither did the Allies chide the Japanese to fight to the last man in a theater and manner of their own choosing. After losing an Army on Sumatra. I'm just calling out the stilted perspective of the Allied player for how the Japanese 'ought to' approach realism in this game while downplaying any requisite for realism on their own handling of the war.


The Home Islands would have been dust 6 months ago if the Japanese were to stick with historical aircraft research and production (like the Allies). Not to mention many extra carriers, cruisers, destroyers and nuclear ASW. The Aztecs used to give their sacrificial victims a feathered club to fight back with. Maybe that can be worked into the next mod along with 4EB only allowed to use rubber bombs on troops.
Larger point is the Allies, with only their historical OOB, are going to more than the Allies did in real life and they will do it 5 months sooner.....and do it against an extremely unbalanced mod

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RE: February 1945 - 12/5/2017 12:19:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		John: With respect you are waaaaaaaay off here.

While we have dialed back the Mod considerably from when this game started ages ago, there is not a ton of fact in the vent above. Point-of-fact shows actually less 1st Class DD then IRL, only a few extra cruisers as well as CVs (remember there were ships taken OUT of the Japanese OOB as well), and the Allies do have all sorts of extras in the game. Have you actually downloaded RA? Doubt it.

As to "nuclear ASW" I don't have a clue as to what your are talking about. Give me a specific there please.


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RE: February 1945 - 12/5/2017 12:22:33 AM   
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“And yet achieving this pyrhhic victory (winning on points despite leaving the Home Islands largely intact) doesn't seem to bother him. Hmmm. Interesting”

I don’t recall Operation Olympic nor Operation Coronet actually happening in real life


Neither did the Allies chide the Japanese to fight to the last man in a theater and manner of their own choosing. After losing an Army on Sumatra. I'm just calling out the stilted perspective of the Allied player for how the Japanese 'ought to' approach realism in this game while downplaying any requisite for realism on their own handling of the war.


While I concur with the spirit of this Post, victory is by Dan and I's perspective. If he declares victory by achieving 2:1 then so be it. I don't agree since Japan is more then willing to fight on until at least 1/3 to 1/2 of the Homeland is occupied. Doesn't really matter. Just means I can end the depression/pummeling and start a new match attempting to use all this new found end-game knowledge against a new opponent.

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RE: February 1945 - 12/5/2017 1:09:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think the most irritating thing in that above Post by Mr. Dillworth is the 'nuclear ASW' comment. There is truth in some of his other areas but not much in this one. I PRIDE myself on how I've TRASHED or rendered neutered the Allied sub threat. I planned--from square one--on developing a real counter sub threat. This was a combination of serious training by a total of six bomber groups (4 Army and 2 Navy) plus dedicated Air Search trained units to spot, define, and then harry Allied subs. WHEREVER they have appeared I have beaten them up. NONE of these groups were added as a Mod enhancement. This is simple, old fashioned training, training, and more training with the fortitude to NOT use those units for any other purpose for--the--entire--war.


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RE: February 1945 - 12/5/2017 4:17:37 AM   
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Have to say I don't take kindly to your trashing him behind his back.


Yes, because no one that posts here ever 'trashes' John III elsewhere?

I'm just saying that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Telling another side how they should view the endgame from your perspective is grounds for questioning their perspective on what a 'successful' campaign looks like.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: anyone who thinks there's any precedence for an Allied uber-general/admiral remaining in charge after losing an Army in an ill-fated early offensive is delusional. Countless were removed for far less. So, by my reckoning, Dan's version of command ended after that Army was liquidated. We're just playing on for the benefit of the game. Anyone that complains about unrealistic IJA/IJN cooperation after that is completely missing the picture.

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