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March 1945 - 12/13/2017 7:10:38 PM   
John 3rd


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NOT what I expected! OK. Moving to next objective...





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RE: March 1945 - 12/13/2017 10:05:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow! you got the A team there! The good Divisions......Plus AAA....Der Schwerpunkt

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RE: March 1945 - 12/13/2017 11:10:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is a good group. There is one more ID that lagged a day. It is also at full strength.


Watch out for this turn coming. A set of 16" and 18" rifles are going into action at Genzan!

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RE: March 1945 - 12/14/2017 1:36:13 PM   
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There are just some times you watch things play out, scratch your head, shake your fist at the heavens, and really want to RE-THINK your previous turn's choices...





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RE: March 1945 - 12/14/2017 2:24:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

Wow! you got the A team there! The good Divisions......Plus AAA....Der Schwerpunkt


Where are the taaankss, by jove

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RE: March 1945 - 12/14/2017 2:25:58 PM   
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March 2, 1945

There are just some times you watch things play out, scratch your head, shake your fist at the heavens, and really want to RE-THINK your previous turn's choices...






What went bad with this?

I mean, apart from the low level escorts?

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RE: March 1945 - 12/14/2017 2:29:41 PM   
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March 1, 1945

It is March 1945 and the Japanese Army is launching a multi-pronged assault upon the Allied Forces. There is no hope for decisive victory but there is real hoping for successful spoiling attacks that might blunt the Allied momentum for a short period of time.

The Fusan Perimeter

This troop concentration SHOULD draw the American B-24s. In this campaign, 2EB don't attack troops often. It is left to the trooping killing, all powerful 4EB. GOOD! From five separate AFs 100s of Fighters are dedicated to LRCAP over this base. To be honest I have no idea as to how many are assigned. Best guess is 5-600 minimum. For the record here are the altitude settings--FRANK 30,000Ft, SAM 20,000Ft, and Tony-100 10,000Ft.



Sounds promising - finally!

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RE: March 1945 - 12/18/2017 3:26:53 AM   
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What went bad with this?

I mean, apart from the low level escorts?


His BBs got their asses kicked by DDs and CLs, and a CA.. And he only had _low level_ escorts. Many things went bad.

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RE: March 1945 - 12/18/2017 4:07:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cardinal sin putting those E's in there, unless they can make 30 knots...which I am willing to bet they can't, but you never know since this is the beefed up mod. Like going into battle dragging your anchor behind you.

Still, that is a very powerful Allied surface group if upgraded.

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RE: March 1945 - 12/18/2017 6:30:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		SC TF "General Rules of Thumb" - same caliber/range of guns for the warships means that BB usually don't mix well with CA/CLs. This wasn't the case here, but sometimes one class of large warships will sit out combat. Next, is not to have too many speeds of the ships. Hope that wasn't the case here, but the "E" don't run with the big and fast greyhounds.

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RE: March 1945 - 12/18/2017 2:01:37 PM   
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Next, is not to have too many speeds of the ships. Hope that wasn't the case here, but the "E" don't run with the big and fast greyhounds.


I confess I hadn't thought about this before, and I've made the same mistake multiple times, I'm sure. Sometimes you need escorts and you just grab anything you can get (well, at least I do). I naively thought the speed wouldn't matter if they're making a short run anyway, but apparently and sensibly the speed also counts in a tactical sense and that is where these E boats ran into or caused problems. This was definitely an eye opener for me.

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RE: March 1945 - 12/18/2017 4:21:14 PM   
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In a totally unexpected development, the Japanese CV/CVL TFs covering the evacuation of all the Northern Borneo Bases run smack into the Allied shipping taking empty wessels back to Boela. The results are ugly with several bright spots:





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RE: March 1945 - 12/18/2017 4:23:08 PM   
John 3rd


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RE: March 1945 - 12/18/2017 4:26:31 PM   
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BRIGHT Spot:





With these frequent aerial ambushes you keep pulling off, how is your pilot quality?

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RE: March 1945 - 12/18/2017 4:31:38 PM   
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RE: March 1945 - 12/18/2017 4:34:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not an ambush. This was a BRAWL. Totally unplanned battle on both sides. He was escorting shipping south and I was moving away from Miri preparing to swing down along the east side of Borneo to fuel.

He re-acted. My 3 CVs re-acted and this led to my ship losses. Nearly all the CV--CVLs were carrying extra fighters...BUT the CVs moving away set-up trouble for the Junyo and CVLs.

Ohhhh...welll...




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RE: March 1945 - 12/18/2017 4:36:22 PM   
John 3rd


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Status: offline 		The CVs are fine and barely scratched. My CVLs took it on the chin. Course--to take it on the chin--he first had to fight thru the CAP!

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RE: March 1945 - 12/18/2017 5:44:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ouch, you're getting short of BBs now, I think. Admittedly the Allied air losses were high, but probably worth it for them IMHO. It's ironic as you said that this was totally unplanned by either side.

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RE: March 1945 - 12/18/2017 5:46:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

March 2, 1945

There are just some times you watch things play out, scratch your head, shake your fist at the heavens, and really want to RE-THINK your previous turn's choices...



From your notes here it's sometimes hard to know exactly what happened. This seems to have turned out badly?

Lots of action lately. Pretty entertaining game with a lot still to fight for in 45. Well done.

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RE: March 1945 - 12/18/2017 5:54:14 PM   
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From your notes here it's sometimes hard to know exactly what happened. This seems to have turned out badly?

Lots of action lately. Pretty entertaining game with a lot still to fight for in 45. Well done.


John seldom gives much details on setbacks. I kind of always assume the worse, and that several torpedoes struck home in the surface fight against Japan.

Otoh, I take perverse joy in describing how I have been humiliated. All too frequent of late.


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RE: March 1945 - 12/18/2017 8:15:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: adarbrauner
What went bad with this?

I mean, apart from the low level escorts?


In a previous post, John alluded to a number of large caliber naval guns paying a visit on Genzan. My guess is that this was a naval bombardment mission that ran into unexpectedly stiff allied SCTF resistance. The effects of running a bombardment TF into unexpected surface resistance are well known and almost universally deleterious. That's my guess.

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RE: March 1945 - 12/18/2017 8:19:30 PM   
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Not-so-bright spot:



Ouch!

Glad to see you annihilated his attacking force though. Extraordinary Allied losses for this stage of the war.

Would you consider flying some kamikazes into the area to welcome his now understrength CAP?

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RE: March 1945 - 12/18/2017 10:49:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is not much detail due to life being CRAZY right now. We have--seemingly--2-3 things a day going right now in addition to work. Once I get thru inventory tomorrow night then I shall have time to do some serious writing and updating.

Figured I had to get something out there since Dan would report on the BB's getting crushed as well as the CV Skirmish...

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RE: March 1945 - 12/18/2017 10:49:47 PM   
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From your notes here it's sometimes hard to know exactly what happened. This seems to have turned out badly?

Lots of action lately. Pretty entertaining game with a lot still to fight for in 45. Well done.


John seldom gives much details on setbacks. I kind of always assume the worse, and that several torpedoes struck home in the surface fight against Japan.

Otoh, I take perverse joy in describing how I have been humiliated. All too frequent of late.




I've got all the details. Just not enough time...


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RE: March 1945 - 12/18/2017 10:52:21 PM   
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RE: March 1945 - 12/19/2017 12:15:03 AM   
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Would you consider flying some kamikazes into the area to welcome his now understrength CAP?


Your dreaming there...too many bases (and probably CVEs) from which the Allies can fly in more fighters. At least I think that is the case. Allies never run out of those models.

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RE: March 1945 - 12/19/2017 2:47:26 AM   
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Dan writes enough for both of you and then some :-)


John--You hit the nail on the head. I get super frustrated because I have 45 minutes to run the turn and--at max--about 45 minutes to do orders before life seriously intrudes. Dan--I love the man to death--takes 4-5 hours on his turns. If I had been able to buy my Subway Franchises then I might have the same delightful situation. That didn't work out and so I have to 'get my turns done' and out ASAP. This is not a rant. It is total and complete jealousy of Dan's situation vs mine.

Trying add an AAR on top of the earlier paragraph simply adds to the chaos...



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RE: March 1945 - 12/19/2017 4:06:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Had an email going back-and-forth with Dan. He said that he slowly moved south and wasn't spotted so he 'edged' closer thinking I would move towards Singapore. Guess this was sort of a planned engagement by at least one of us. I gave him a 'WELL DONE!'


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RE: March 1945 - 12/19/2017 8:28:25 AM   
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Dan writes enough for both of you and then some :-)


John--You hit the nail on the head. I get super frustrated because I have 45 minutes to run the turn and--at max--about 45 minutes to do orders before life seriously intrudes. Dan--I love the man to death--takes 4-5 hours on his turns. If I had been able to buy my Subway Franchises then I might have the same delightful situation. That didn't work out and so I have to 'get my turns done' and out ASAP. This is not a rant. It is total and complete jealousy of Dan's situation vs mine.

Trying add an AAR on top of the earlier paragraph simply adds to the chaos...



Well, sometimes he writes about the game.....other times the entire groups drifts off to other things. I distinctly remember doing a few weeks and a dozen pages on horticulture recently. Talked all kinds of things about different types of oak trees. You think I am kidding? I am not. I'm caught up. Eventually you have to read this AAR. I'd suggest finding someone to transcribe it into book form or maybe record to "books on tape"

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RE: March 1945 - 12/19/2017 11:11:54 AM   
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