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Thanks All - 5/12/2013 4:01:38 PM

John 3rd

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Appreciate the sentiment guys.

This is what Dan wrote and I thought it would be OK to copy it down into the AAR:

John,

My weekend unexpectedly became a whirlwind - an unplanned trip to Atlanta today, daughter came home from college this evening, and day away tomorrow to spend with family. So, where I had expected to do several turns, I'm now down to one hope. I'm going to try to get up early enough tomorrow to get the turn back to you. That will probably be all I can do.

Your schedule requests are fine by me! Mondays and Tuesdays are good days for me too. Sundays are usually tough, though sometimes I can get in as many as two or sometimes even three turns.

Our gaming will undoubtedly relax a bit during the summer, too, as we both get involved in family vacations. We'll be gone for a week in mid June. I'm hoping to be gone another week in July.

I'm having a blast with this game, so I appreciate you playing so steadily and making it so much fun. It was all I had hoped it would be when we started.

Happy Mom's Day to Paula and blessings to both of you and your boys.

Dan

Slowing things down will be GOOD.

I want to do a serious region-by-region update going through planning, defense status, and strength of each major area. Like to do this about every 4-6 months of game time. Also need to focus on the economy because A LOT has happened since the last time we did. A serious discussion about future aircraft would be a good too...

SIDE NOTE:
Dan is now sniffing around the perimeter with DDs and small ship TF. I KNOW he wants me to commit the KB to the IO. I would LOVE TO, however, NOT! Every fiber of my being says to send the KB out and LOOK for trouble but I am fighting that tendency. Am moving my longest range air search aircraft around trying to spot movement to gain an idea of where the hammer shall fall.

Am getting pretty strong feelings that the Aleutians may not be on the list. He doesn't have much time to move before the winter sets in up there. Thinking about moving KB to Eniwetok. It is still out of the way (not the normal choices for placement of Fleet) but allows for movement in various directions.

Dan should be done with his summer AA upgrades for the US Fleet CVs. I KNOW he shall show up with all SIX of them now. Have been waiting for the CLEAR forecast of the weather to hit Akyab but really want to bring Junyo--Hiyo to the KB. I'm gonna pull the trigger regardless of weather within the next 2-3 turns. Bet Dan doesn't expect me to field over 250 CV-Based Aircraft!

That should be enough to wet you guys appetites for the current thinking in a nutshell.

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RE: Thanks All - 5/12/2013 4:34:14 PM

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For newer readers and members I think it important for me to explain a little bit about Dan and I's relationship.

We started YEARS ago with Uncommon Valor and moved to WitP. While learning that game my life blew apart and while that was starting, Dan and I began our campaign. he was there for me (he is a former Prosecuting Attorney) and provided lots of support and legal advice as my life went into the crapper for roughly two years. Longtime readers and members know all about this and I will not go back down amnesia lane. While we played (5-6 turns a day) and kept up magnificent AARs, Dan and I bonded to each other. During this same time Michael and I became quite close as well as a good former opponent in South Carolina. All three were quite helpful and long-time friendships have developed.

This provides a bit of background to our game. I care deeply for this noble Southern opponent and want to provide the best game possible while STILL HAVING FUN!

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RE: Thanks All - 5/12/2013 5:23:38 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd
I care deeply for this noble Southern opponent

Gee, that's touching, John. Now will you please cut his guts out and serve them to him piping hot?!!?

ETA: As a reader of both AARs, I appreciate how well you both know each other's tendencies, proclivities and tastes. You are both pretty good at getting into your opponent's heads and relaying this to your readers. Such a knowledge of one's opponent provides another layer to the game, IMO. It's entertaining reading too.

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RE: Thanks All - 5/12/2013 5:51:17 PM

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SS Action - 5/13/2013 7:57:23 AM

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Islands of Destiny
SS Sinkings/Damaged

September 10, 1942

The Japanese Sub Arm continues to have excellent success in preying on Allied shipping to this point of the war. As long as the Subs keep getting moved along to differing areas they do pretty well. Have SEVEN Submarine ACES right now! I-3 has nine kills and two of them are DDs. How about that??!! The best hunting grounds are pretty obvious from the list below.

Six Japanese SS (four I-Boat, one ML- and one Ro-) have been sunk at that point. Have been lucky to get a number of boats home that were severely damaged but lived to fight another day.

Here are the numbers:

Ro-Class
Ro-33
CMc Pro Patria Parmakasan 12-24-41
AS Janssens Banjoewangi 01-13-42
AP Ormiston Carnavon 06-17-42
AK Jehangi Ramree 07-20-42

Ro-34
AKL Luzon Jolo 12-09-41
CL Marblehead Soerabaja 01-16-42
AK Steaua Romania Chittagong 07-20-42
KV Freesia Cox�s Bizar 07-25-42

Ro-60
AKL Fiona Newcastle 05-25-42

R0-61
AKL Lady Isabel Luganville 02-17-42

Ro-62 Mine at Midway 01-17-42

Ro-65
HDML Trincomalee 08-02-42

Ro-66
AM Kingfisher Yasawa 12-20-41
AKL Georgian Suva 06-13-42

Ro-67
DD Voyager Newcastle 05-23-42
AK Bhima Koggala 07-23-42
AK Livington Court Koggala 07-23-42

Ro-68
AP Murada (D) Noumea 12-19-41
AK Corinda Noumea 12-19-41

Minelayer SS
I-121
AP Dominion Monarch (D) Georgetown 12-09-41
AK Neleus Georgetown 12-09-41
AP Dominion Monarch (D) Sabang 12-10-41
AM Whyalla Lord Howe Island 06-24-42

I-122 Akyab (Mine) 09-05-42
AK Wing Sang Langsa 12-09-41

I-123
AMc Cochin 02-16-42
AKL Selma City Cochin 02-19-42
AKL St. Quentin Akyab 08-20-42

I-Boats
I-1
AKL Surigao Wellington 12-26-41
AKL Corrimal Waipapakauri 01-05-42
AKL Canopus Auckland 01-06-42
AK Dardanus Waipapakauri 01-22-42
TK Falkefjell Auckland 01-23-42
AKL Kohala Gisborne 02-08-42

I-2
AP Mataroa Waipapakauri 04-18-42

I-3
AKL Carlisle Brisbane 12-17-41
AVD Williamson Alliford bay 03-14-42
AKL Pacific Coal Harbour 03-15-42
AKL Coloradoan Coal Harbour 03-15-42
AK Chickasaw City Kodiak 03-27-42
ACM Abatis Seward Isle 07-26-42
DD Monaghan Seward Isle 08-03-42
AK Ohioan Seward Isle 08-29-42
DD Wilson Seward Isle 09-10-42

I-4
TK Norfold Karachi 06-08-42

I-6
AK Royal T Frank San Clemente 01-04-42
AKL Atlantic Suva 05-23-42
AKL Georgia Suva 06-14-42
AK Somelsdijk Lahaina 08-26-42
AKL Honomu Lahaina 09-07-42

I-7
BB Mississippi (D) Sale 06-02-42

I-8
AK West Cactus (D) Wellington 05-30-42

I-9
AKL Malama Coal Bay 12-19-41
AKL Tennessean Coal Bay 12-19-41
KV Chiliwack Coal Bay 12-19-41
KV Wetaskiwin Victoria 01-04-42
TK H M Storey (D) Sale 05-15-42
BB Mississippi Sale 06-02-42

I-10
AKL Wawa Gau Isle 08-19-42

I-15
AV Curtiss (D) Christmas Isle 12-11-41
DD Mugford Christmas Isle 12-28-41

I-16
AKL Hamakua Luganville 12-22-41
AKL Darvel Luganville 12-22-41
AK Liberty King Island 06-25-42

I-17
AV Curtiss Palmyra 12-15-41
PG Moresby Burnie 09-08-42

I-18
PG Charleston Lihue 06-28-42

I-19

I-21
DD Cassin Kodiak 02-19-42
BB New Mexico (D) King 05-11-42
AK Nurmahal (D) King 05-11-42

I-22
TK British Energy Karachi 06-08-42
KV Thyme Koggala 09-05-42

I-23
AK ??? (D) Wellington 05-09-42

I-24 Wake (Mine) 01-12-42

I-25
AL Olopana Christmas Isle 08-02-42

I-26
AO Cuyama Christmas 06-03-42

I-27
HDML Trincomalee 08-15-42
AK Ima Koggala 08-17-42
AMc Koggala 08-22-42

I-29 Akyab (DC Dam) 07-04-42
AK Johilla Akyab 06-11-42

I-153
AK Tweedbank Exmouth 06-16-42
AK Testbank (D) Exmouth 06-16-42
AP Ormiston (D) Exmouth 06-16-42

I-154
AG Canopus Denpasar 12-13-41
AK Dorothy Philips (D) Cold Bay 06-22-42
AK Walter Luchenbach Kodiak 06-29-42

I-155
AKL Bast Oosthaven 12-21-41

I-155
YP-197 Victoria 07-28-42
TK Camden (D) Victoria 08-01-42
TK William H Berg Victoria 08-01-42

I-156
AMc Cochin 03-13-42
DD Van Ghent Cochin 03-27-42
AK Oakbank Busselton 07-21-42
BB Warspite (D) Busselton 08-16-42

I-157
AK Federlock Koggala 12-13-41
AK Trieste Carnavon 06-18-42
AK Arcturus (D) Caranvon 06-18-42
CA Astoria (D) Exmouth 06-20-42
SS KXVIII Koggala 07-22-42
CA Australia (D) Koggala 08-11-42

I-158
AK Alchiba (D) Exmouth 06-15-42

I-159
TK Iris Muntock 12-08-41
AKL Kentuckian Port Blair 03-21-42
AK West Ivis Annette 04-20-42
AK Nightingale Cordova 08-17-42
AK Hawaiian Seward Isle 08-29-42

I-160
AMC Kanimbla Batavia 12-09-41
AKL De Haan Toboali 12-10-41
DD Gilmer Sit Kinak Isle 08-16-42

I-162 Akyab (ASW) 06-23-42
AKL Nordhual Goa 02-08-42
KV Fritillary Karachi 02-14-42
AK Robert Luckenbach Karachi 02-16-42
AK Jaladurga Akyab 06-11-42

I-164
AK Havildar Rangoon 12-15-41
AKL Honoluluan Rangoon 12-16-41
AK Nord (D) Mangalore 02-08-42
AKL Wasang Goa 02-09-42
AKL Santa Ana Goa 02-09-42

I-165
TK Spirilla Enggano 12-12-41
AKL Belawan Trivandrum 03-13-42
AMc Cochin 04-16-42
AK Steel Engineer Chittagong 08-27-42

I-166
CL Durban Toboali 12-16-41
AK Clan MacIver Koggala 02-01-42

I-169
AKL Columbian Nagai 02-18-42
AK Wind Rush Wellington 05-30-42

I-170
AKL Mapele Sanak Isle 02-16-42

I-171 Adak (DC Damage) 02-20-42
CA Chicago Akutan 02-11-42

I-174
CL Phoenix (D) Akutan 02-11-42
AK Steel Navigator Akutan 02-11-42
CA Chicago (D) Akutan 02-11-42
PG Sacramento Palmerston North 05-20-42

I-175
AK Diamondhead French Frigate Shoal 08-29-42

One of the areas I love to watch are the desperation fights of SS vs. DD. From May 1st--September 10th, the IJN SS have managed to sinks DDs Monaghan, Gilmer, and Wilson. Pretty good work if you ask me.

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RE: SS Action - 5/13/2013 2:41:51 PM

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Very nice work by your Silent Service, John. Very nice.

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Go--NO Go - 5/13/2013 3:57:55 PM

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Sept 11, 1942

Queries from Rangoon: Give me a GO---NO GO for Operation Shimakaze.

Prome (AF-3) GO!
Magwe (AF-4) GO!
Mandalay (AF-4) GO!
Rangoon (AF-6) GO!
Moulmein (AF-5) GO!

TF 81 (Junyo--Hiyo--Ryuho) GO!
TF 145 (Hosho, Chuyo, Unyo, Taiyo) GO!

Weather REPORT: No Go!

FROM: Southern Army Command
TO: All Aerial HQ in Burma Theatre

We are 'GO' on Operation Shimakaze.

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RE: Go--NO Go - 5/13/2013 4:46:48 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Sept 11, 1942

Queries from Rangoon: Give me a GO---NO GO for Operation Shimakaze.

Prome (AF-3) GO!
Magwe (AF-4) GO!
Mandalay (AF-4) GO!
Rangoon (AF-6) GO!
Moulmein (AF-5) GO!

TF 81 (Junyo--Hiyo--Ryuho) GO!
TF 145 (Hosho, Chuyo, Unyo, Taiyo) GO!

Weather REPORT: No Go!

FROM: Southern Army Command
TO: All Aerial HQ in Burma Theatre

We are 'GO' on Operation Shimakaze.

John,

What a nice opportunity to bang on some of those Allied (dog) subs SSW and WSW of Rangoon in your image. They're detected (I assume) by your aerial naval search, but still in coastal (shallow) hexes? Can you detail some small ASW craft to go and beat on 'em? Be a great way to train up some of your small SCs.

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GO! - 5/13/2013 5:23:05 PM

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Five SWEEPS come over Akyab and LAY WASTE!

We lose 23 Tojo for, perhaps, triple that number. Many Allied planes disengage instead of stay to fight. Morale issues...

The Fleet moves in and all IJN Vals, Kates, Betty, and Nell are loaded with bombs and Torps. We'll see if the British IO Fleet stays at Akyab or flees. If it flees, 7 SS move into good position to bag a few ships.

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RE: GO! - 5/13/2013 11:18:29 PM

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Are you using any "Flying Circus" style Chutai, stacking the deck as it were, with the A-Team? Leading LBA ace? I am of the "romantic" mind when it comes to action reports as well as the "hard" facts.

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RE: GO! - 5/13/2013 11:24:21 PM

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His Brit numbers must be suffering from this continuing battle over Ramree. He'l have plenty of the P-40s, but it's not great to give your guys 3:1 kills for a long duration of tuns in 42. Those pilots will be pretty good after a while here. Keep it up!

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Operation Shimakaze - 5/13/2013 11:31:00 PM

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September 13, 1942

Operation Shimakaze begins today. Though Japan loses over 100 planes for the day the results set-up what could be a spectacular day tomorrow. As expected the weather did its level BEST to screw things up for the attacks along the Burma coast stretching from Ramree to Cox's Bizar. Here are the highlights:

AM
The battle begins when a strong raid of 48 Zero and 78 Betty--Nells leave Rangoon and attack shipping at Cox's Bizar. I am TERRIFIED when I see a total of 133 Allied Fighters flying CAP. HOLY CATS! Surprisingly the Zeros easily fend off the attackers at the cost of 4 Z and only 11 Bombers. The remaining 68 Torpedo Planes bore in to shipping there. Guess what is there? BRITISH BATTLESHIPS!

The results look pretty darned good: BB Royal Sovereign takes 4 TT and Ramilles takes 4 TT as well. These are OLD BBs. Perhaps it is enough to sink them? Three SS are on either side of Cox's and so there is a chance they might get a shot tomorrow.

Strikes bore in to Akyab and many are shot down but they do get through...NO Tojos fly the entire MORNING. THANK YOU USELESS God's of the Weather!

Still...the BB Revenge takes a couple of Bombs and a Torp.

PM
Tojo finally flies and SWEEPS the HELL out of all Fighters over Akyab (no opposition over Ramaree).

Strikes come in and manage to put a pair of TTs into the most EVIL and VILE warship in the world---USS BOISE!

One or two APDs are sunk and several AKs are also hit.

The weather ruins about 50% of the strikes. Mini-KB flies NOTHING for the PM.

Summary
Two old Brit BBs might be sunk. They are, at a minimum, crippled. Another is damaged.

Allied Fighter morale MUST be in the CRAPPER.

Naval PLANS:
1. Mini-KB moves one hex east (staying blue water but far from LBA danger) and will fly strikes tomorrow.
2. Detach a DD TF to sweep the coast from the hex above Cox's Bizar down to Akyab. Set to REACT: 6 hexes.
3. The CA--CL TF (4 CA and 2 CL) are sent in the clear the path for the BIG BOYS going into Akyab.
4. Fuso, Yamashiro, Ise, and Hyuga set to BLAST the pogees out of Akyab. Sorry: GEEK factor. I loved POGEES when the original Battlestar Galactica coined it. My GEEK son uses FRAK periodically. It garners attention but doesn't get him in trouble...

There are mines here but what the HELL! Damn the TTs! Full Speed ahead...

Air PLANS:
1. Tojo to Sweep both Akyab and Cox's Bizar.
2. Move in another full Daitai of fresh Bettys and a full Daitai of fresh Kates.
3. Rotate out a banged up Kate and Val Daitai.
4. All IJN Aircraft armed with TTs.
5. Over 80 IJA Bombers to hit Akyab's AF.

How about that??!!

BANZAI BABY!

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RE: GO! - 5/13/2013 11:38:06 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: zuluhour

Are you using any "Flying Circus" style Chutai, stacking the deck as it were, with the A-Team? Leading LBA ace? I am of the "romantic" mind when it comes to action reports as well as the "hard" facts.

I have a Chutai of Zero (Tainan A--OF COURSE!) with 12 Pilots all in the high 70s. They go into the Shimakaze Maelstrom tomorrow.

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RE: GO! - 5/13/2013 11:39:03 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

His Brit numbers must be suffering from this continuing battle over Ramree. He'l have plenty of the P-40s, but it's not great to give your guys 3:1 kills for a long duration of tuns in 42. Those pilots will be pretty good after a while here. Keep it up!

Totally concur.

I neglected to mention that reports of nearly 40 Allied Fighters down for the day add a bit more luster to the event.

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RE: GO! - 5/14/2013 12:40:12 AM

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This is gonna be fun. Go get'em John.

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RE: GO! - 5/14/2013 1:44:22 AM

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Forgot to mention that the KB has safely reached Eniwetok. I decide to disband the TFs and let everyone get some R&R.

Am moving my Emily around looking for things in area I haven't for a while. Nothing amazing yet.

Just got a passel of freshly repaired SS at Noumea. They had been at Japan and now will deploy around New Zealand and towards the east. Want to look about and see what is moving around...

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RE: GO! - 5/14/2013 1:55:12 AM

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Dan and I are having connection issues. He cannot get the 001 to run. I sent him the Combat Report and new files but no luck so far.

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Holy Cow... - 5/14/2013 6:38:22 AM

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September 14, 1942

Wow. Holy Cow. I don't know whether I should exult or curl up in a little fetal ball and sunk my thumb! Well...there was action. A whole BUNCH of action. I told Dan that it took me an HOUR just to watch the turn. Add another 45 minutes to do orders. Now we sit at the AAR...

Night: AKYAB
The best way to describe the evening action is that there was only 17% moonlight. It is a DARK night. As detailed earlier I had ordered a TF of 5 DD to Sweep ahead of the two bigger TF. After them (by TF number) were the 4 CA, 2 CL, and 5 DD who were to pave the way for the 4 BB, 1 CL, 6 DD to PLASTER Akyab's AF. That was the PLAN. Didn't happen.

The BBs go in first and find a TF of British CLs and DDs with CA Vincennes and a pair of US DD. Adm Ching Lee is in charge. The 1st Battle of Guadalcanal holds little to this wild fight. The Allies get the drop on the Japanese at 5K yards, it then closes to 2K, and continues for nearly 20 gunnery rounds. Wild crazy and NUTS describe this as Vincennes, 3 CL, 1 CLAA, and 4 DD effectively fight off a force immensely larger and more dangerous. CL Tenryu and 2 DDs go down (DD Akatsuki due to a mine explosion). The Allies see all the cruisers hit and Vincennes badly damaged along with a pair of DDs in sinking condition. The BBs slide by this defense with only Ise having any issues. She took 11 Shells and a TT. The heavies continue in to continue their mission...

The Allied TF moves a hex west of Akyab fleeing the pummeling they took only to stagger into the 5 Japanese DDs moving in to the area. DD Shirayuki gets sunk by 6" shells, however, a pair of TTs sink CA Vincennes. NICE! Do we kill Ching Lee? That would be FANTASTIC!

All 4 BBs open up on the AF and PLASTER it destroying nearly a dozen planes and damaging nearly 50 more. NICE!

There are now 3 BBs running away WITH NO ESCORT! These ships run into a CA, CL, and 5 DDs. What little ammunition is left on the BIG BOYS is used fending off this TF and they make good their escape.

Moving in LAST are the 4 old Aoba/Furutaka Class CAs, 2 old CLs, and 5 DDs. These venerable ships run into something just as venerable in the form of BB Revenge (plus a CA, CL, 3 DD). Revenge's guns are HOT and DANGEROUS. Her 3 DDs are effectively dealt with but she sinks CL Abukuma, CA Kingugasa, and CA Kako. This fight runs 18 rounds and the STUPID Japanese Admiral refuses to give up keeping the fight running as his ships get blasted. Later in the day CA Aoba and CL Kuma go down. SUMMARY: 3 CA and 2 CL are sunk in exchange for pummeling 3 DDs. Not exactly something to brag about. Rather depressing actually.

DAYLIGHT
Once AGAIN weather plays a terrible hand. All those 150+ Tojo in Magwe sit out the day. NICE!

No Allied bombers rise to attack the warships trying to leave the area. This is GOOD. Japanese Strikes go in and score a pretty good tally:

CL Helena is hit by 1 TT, CA Pensacola takes a pair of TT and is in sinking condition, CL Mauritius takes another pair of TT and looks to be in sinking condition, CL Nashville takes a single Torp but BLOWS UP from a Magazine Explosion.

Aerial Losses are not terrible. They aren't good EITHER. Lose about 45 planes in exchange for about an equal number of Allied Fighters.

Totals for two Days of Action
Sinkings:
Japan: 3 CA, 3 CL, 3 DD
Allies: BBs Royal Sovereign and Ramillies possibly sunk, CA Vincennes, CL Mauritius, CL Nashville, several DDs, and a pair of APDs

Damaged:
Japan: 1 BB moderately damaged (Ise) and 4-5 DDs banged up.
Allies: CA Pensacola (possibly sunk), 5 CL (Boise 2TT, Achilles 1TT), 1 CLAA, and 6-8 DDs

The Mini-KB didn't launch ANYTHING for the 2nd day in a row.

Planning
Withdraw all damaged warships but keep Mini-KB in place for one last day. We'll try to get something of the cripples. Tojo to fly--theoretically--SWEEPS over Akyab. Pull back more beat-up Bomber units but still have over 100 TT aircraft available with good morale to fly from Prome and Rangoon. One more day and then we conclude this monster.

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RE: Holy Cow... - 5/14/2013 5:00:54 PM

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I plan to get in a pair of turns with Dan this afternoon. Got called in to the store for a short 2-3 hour shift.

Brain stewed on the last turn for a bit while sleeping. How many of you have THAT happen?

Don't like losing those old ships but they are, in fact, OLD ships. Two of the CLs were Training Cruisers. RA doesn't have the Katori Class in it. The Tenryu, Tatsuta, and Kuma all start as converted, down-scaled, CLs. The older CAs are tough to lose but they have no armor. Didn't want to lose them but 15" shells will go trough ANYTHING!

Since I am staying in the firefight for the next turn we shall see if the balance sheet tips more in one way or the other...

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RE: Holy Cow... - 5/14/2013 5:03:17 PM

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How's the land war going on in Burma John?

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RE: Holy Cow... - 5/14/2013 5:13:00 PM

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Though thing that naval mess. Agree about the CA, but also the DD are very valuable assets as Japan is always short on those. Not sure what to make of the final result, but looks pretty much like a draw so far. Not exactly in Japans favor.

What it really is will be shown in the next few turns. Maybe, or hopefully MiniKB can lay hands on a few cripples. But where the heck are the British CV???

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RE: Holy Cow... - 5/14/2013 6:42:19 PM

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John,

Do you think your first naval foray's comparative lack of success was due to their setting for bombardment? Would've been interesting to see them mop the floor with Vicennes, et. al., but for this setting.

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RE: GO! - 5/14/2013 6:56:03 PM

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His Brit numbers must be suffering from this continuing battle over Ramree. He'l have plenty of the P-40s, but it's not great to give your guys 3:1 kills for a long duration of tuns in 42. Those pilots will be pretty good after a while here. Keep it up!

I always felt that if the Allied player is going to seek a fight in Burma that he need to move American Navy and Marine Squadrons to India as well as Army. You have just got to spread the load around and the Navy aircraft replacement rate gets better long before the army,s does.

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RE: Holy Cow... - 5/14/2013 10:24:01 PM

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John,

Do you think your first naval foray's comparative lack of success was due to their setting for bombardment?� Would've been interesting to see them mop the floor with Vicennes, et. al., but for this setting.

I think so. There is no reasonable idea for how 4 BBs were essentially bested by a CA, 3 CL, and 1 CLAA.

We're gonna answer that question coming up. The 3 BBs will reach Pt Blair reload and refuel, gain more escorts, and then go back for a Surface Mission...

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RE: Holy Cow... - 5/14/2013 10:24:58 PM

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How's the land war going on in Burma John?

It is...

I need to do a detailed Posting there. Haven't really focused on it and the ground warfare model is sooooooo borked it truly frustrates me.

Will detail later.

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RE: Holy Cow... - 5/14/2013 11:00:34 PM

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How's the land war going on in Burma John?

It is...

I need to do a detailed Posting there. Haven't really focused on it and the ground warfare model is sooooooo borked it truly frustrates me.

Will detail later.

John, the land warfare model isn't perfect, for sure, but needs to be understood. And once you understand the mechanics, it's pretty good imho to simulate things on large scale.
Burma is, basically, a ground theatre. To be honest, you're not gonna win here even if you destroy the whole RN in the bay of bengal. You need to stabilize this theatre ON GROUND...and, imho, you need to do it now

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RE: Holy Cow... - 5/14/2013 11:12:18 PM

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I totally concur.

Dan has entered US units into the fight. A US Army ID as well as some Artie have just appeared.

He 'walked' right through my defensive line I set in the jungle. The game didn't even show movement until there was ONE and then TWO damned Aussie ID BEHIND ME. Really torked me off to say the least.

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RE: Holy Cow... - 5/15/2013 12:03:42 AM

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Japan has too many Recon air units that can be divided into 3 to 6 planes each for you to be caught flat footed in a place like this. I would have close to 12 recon units total in theater. 6 to 9 for base recon and the rest doing non-base hexes. Go to a hex for two to three days straight and then move on. Come back in a week to 10 days.

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RE: Holy Cow... - 5/16/2013 3:36:36 PM

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I totally concur.

Dan has entered US units into the fight. A US Army ID as well as some Artie have just appeared.

He 'walked' right through my defensive line I set in the jungle. The game didn't even show movement until there was ONE and then TWO damned Aussie ID BEHIND ME. Really torked me off to say the least.

I've encountered issues with the land combat movement algorythims before, but I'm unsure if it's a quirk or if it's actually FoW. In my case, I was actually able to detect a LCU with a Naval Search pattern which happened to stray over a bit of coastline, so if the game takes into consideration this, wouldn't it make sense that it may take other aspects into consideration, such as the ability of a unit to misdirect an adjacent enemy LCU as to it's intented line of march?

Do you have a reason to suspect that this is actually a bug rather than the FoW feature working as designed? I mean, I'm unsure of how the game handles detection of LCUs, but isn't it possible that what you're seeing is a result of the game determining that there's a lack of Military Intelligence pertaining to those units?

I ask because if it's happening, then with enough understanding of the operating principles, it can be countered and, more importantly, can be harnessed as a tool for your own purposes.

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RE: Holy Cow... - 5/16/2013 3:47:02 PM

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Enemy units that appear without movement indicators but are in fact moving is definitely a part of the game's FOW. Also, enemy units that are there will just 'disappear' for one or more turns from time to time. Look at my AAR for several examples over time of the Allies getting surprised in China by Japanese units' sudden appearances and unnoticed movements.

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