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RE: Implications - 4/11/2016 5:10:36 PM   
John 3rd


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Status: offline 		Lowpe: They are not as good as I would care for. Seemingly have TK running everywhere and hauling it to the Home Isle but my levels are not going up that fast. I've had to use soooo many AK to move troops around (at this late stage of the game) that that has served to cause a few issues as well. I've decided to get the redeployment done and then move as many of those AKs as possible to Soerabaja and Singers to created some 250,000+ Resource convoys and get a BUNCH home ASAP.

All four BC and Ise are now upgrading at Singers. Yamato is headed home where she will rejoin her sister who is almost repaired at Nagasaki. They will link-up with the two CB and bombard eht eHell out of the Aleuts. There is no doubt that Dan will come back there before winter arrives. Mark THIS. I will hurt the Allies in the Aleutians before summer is done.

Pull the other half of KB from Attu so it 'disappears.' Let Dan worry about that for a while.

Three of my newly available ID will move to the Marianas and finish stocking them to the gills. Moving a good number of troops (mainly support) to Babeldoap and Mindanao to begin serious defensive work.

Dan has gone back to his (what a TRULY LOVE) one and two ship TF north of Marcus. I will KILL them with three Moon-Class DDs.


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RE: Implications - 4/11/2016 6:25:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Congrats on Sabang bagging, ultimately 60,000-70,000 allied troops. It would be nice if there were some announcements in the game when a debacle of this scale happens. Good thing Dan is Supreme Commander or head would have rolled for losing so many combat units in reality. Thi game lacks the political decision which colored real operations during WWII.

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RE: Implications - 4/11/2016 7:01:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Always felt that VPs should be flexible. Allies should lose three times the amount of VPs for losing a carrier in 1944-45 where the Japanese should lose virtually nothing. Then the reverse happens in 1942 where the Japanese should lose three times for a carrier and the Allies very little. Simply that in the normal context of things it is expected that Japanese warships are going to get hammered late in the war, and they really do not help as much. And, for the Allies to lose five CVs in late 44-well there would be some heads rolling....

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RE: Implications - 4/12/2016 5:31:50 PM   
John 3rd


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Status: offline 		I like that idea Mr. Sutton. Makes a bunch of sense.

Looks like my Noble Allied Opponent is quitting the Marshalls and Gilberts to get ready for his next lunge. Anyone wanna bet on the rest of the Aleutians? That is where my chips are going.

We have been going back-and-forth about our ages. I turn the ripe old age of 50 pretty soon. With him moving out of the fighting area, I taunted him with my last email. The message said:

My B-Day is on Cinco de Mayo except we call it Cinco de Johno! I’ve had this birthday for nearly as long as Cinco de Mayo and they still haven’t asked me to be the parade GRAND MARSHALL. Quite rude...

My engineers as well as pilots wish to thank the Allied engineers for the tremendous AF they have built for Japan at Sabang.

Additionally, it LOOKS like you’re leaving the party in the Marshalls and Gilberts. That is too bad. It was just really getting fun. You are now an APP. That would be an ALLIED PARTY POOPER!

Hope you laughed. Work from now til 3pm.


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RE: Implications - 4/12/2016 5:38:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Seriously John?

You're ballyhooing this great success in a scenario you designed to allow for that very thing?

Seems more than a bit immodest.

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RE: Implications - 4/12/2016 7:08:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Seriously John?

You're ballyhooing this great success in a scenario you designed to allow for that very thing?

Seems more than a bit immodest.


I must respectfully disagree. As any JFB knows, when you start a game, either a stock scenario or a mod like this one, you know from the outset you are probably going to lose. Similarly, as any AFB know, you know you are probably going to win. The only question is whether the Allies will win sooner or later than historical. The enhanced Japanese OOB in this mod at best forestalls the inevitable perhaps 6 months or so, but does not change the systemic imbalance between the two sides. The only way the Japanese player can hope to win is by decisively crippling the Allied OOB which John may have done here (only time will tell). In that perspective, I think John deserves a hearty well done. He may not have won the war at Sabang, but he has certainly increased his chances.

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RE: Implications - 4/12/2016 7:56:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pws1225


quote:

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Seriously John?

You're ballyhooing this great success in a scenario you designed to allow for that very thing?

Seems more than a bit immodest.


I must respectfully disagree. As any JFB knows, when you start a game, either a stock scenario or a mod like this one, you know from the outset you are probably going to lose. Similarly, as any AFB know, you know you are probably going to win. The only question is whether the Allies will win sooner or later than historical. The enhanced Japanese OOB in this mod at best forestalls the inevitable perhaps 6 months or so, but does not change the systemic imbalance between the two sides. The only way the Japanese player can hope to win is by decisively crippling the Allied OOB which John may have done here (only time will tell). In that perspective, I think John deserves a hearty well done. He may not have won the war at Sabang, but he has certainly increased his chances.



+1

He was patient and persistent in a very difficult situation. A little ribbing doesn't hurt if you're tight with the other player, and when you know for sure it'll be coming the other way at some point.

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RE: Implications - 4/13/2016 12:50:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Seriously John?

You're ballyhooing this great success in a scenario you designed to allow for that very thing?

Seems more than a bit immodest.


I believe that I was JOKING with him. As Obvert points out, our relationship now spans better then a decade of time. We have spoken many times on the phone and he has been there for me in a horrific situation. It is absolutely safe to do so because he'll fire it right back to me in a while.


Would ALSO point out to you that this Mod is predominantly a NAVAL Mod. The war at sea is where that impact is. I beat Dan in Burma AND Sumatra using the Scenario ONE Imperial Japanese Army...to me that is cause for some serious partying.

Considering my greatest weaknesses are in the Ground War AND patience this victory in Sumatra really means a lot. My greatest strength AND weakness is always wanting to quickly attack or counter-punch. Witness the very conversation over the last 12-15 Posts. Sumatra was tough, tough test of patience, details, and organization. To destroy this massive a number of units and troops in mid-43 is pretty unheard of to my knowledge.

Serious Question: Does anyone know of another Japanese Player who had something similar to this occur at this stage of the war? Better yet--lots of JFB read this AAR so how about you sound off on what YOU consider to be your best moment in a campaign. Sound off and take some pride in accomplishment. Let us hear it!




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RE: Implications - 4/13/2016 1:20:10 AM   
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Sound off and take some pride in accomplishment. Let us hear it!


Don't mind if I do.

In my last PBEM, I managed to catch my opponent loading of his amphibs in the New Hebrides for his first offensive in mid-43. I think KB destroyed around two to three IDs, multiple other LCU, not to mention all the available Allied APs, AKs. In truth, it was blind dumb luck on my part, but I chalked up my first win and simply enjoyed the hell out of it.

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RE: Implications - 4/13/2016 1:41:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Late war in the old WITP and I managed to get 3 Kongos to stalk and then pounce on a USN fast carrier TF at night. If memory serves me correctly they accounted for BB Iowa and 2 Essex class carriers before hightailing it. A very sweet result. It was cartwheel time during the bleak days seeing out the end of the war.

I'm sure Todd remembers well and will be looking to stymie any efforts I make in our current game to pull off further blue water intercepts.

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RE: Implications - 4/13/2016 2:08:20 AM   
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At least the pilot reported it sunk.

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RE: Implications - 4/13/2016 6:21:32 AM   
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I sank an American sub in August of 1944.

At least the pilot reported it sunk.


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RE: Implications - 4/13/2016 12:03:32 PM   
obvert


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Status: offline 		For me the highlight was being able to still fight in 45 in my game with Jocke. Those late strikes around Korea kept me in the game for a few more weeks and just felt good after months of getting stomped on all fronts.

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RE: Implications - 4/13/2016 3:14:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had a flaming Japanese betty pilot go kamikaze on me in late 1944. Put a magazine explosion on an Iowa class BB, but that was about it. A good Allied player should not need to lose a division size unit after the initial early war disasters. (China excepted). I actually pulled that off in my first campaign by managed to lose a first class Australian division in a poorly planned and premature attempt to take Port Blair in my current campaign. I personally think that even with Da Babes that it is way too easy for the Allied player to pull off fantastic invasions in 1942-43. (Not to mention Japan) I really try to play a more realistic and historical game but if either player is willing to risk losing units, there can be some big payoffs.

The loss at Sumatra was a serious one for Dan but speaking from the Allied perspective, I do not see it as a disaster. I have always said that if the Allies do not lose their carriers in 42-43 that they can pretty much survive any other sort of blow. The real decision will come at sea. Whoever wins the "big" carrier fight will have the edge. It matters little how many divisions a player has if he does not have control of the sea. Auto victory aside, the only major Japanese victories that I have seen have come with the total smashing of the Allied navy. Calling this one a draw so far. Lots more action to come.

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RE: Implications - 4/13/2016 9:30:32 PM   
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I had a flaming Japanese betty pilot go kamikaze on me in late 1944. Put a magazine explosion on an Iowa class BB, but that was about it. A good Allied player should not need to lose a division size unit after the initial early war disasters. (China excepted). I actually pulled that off in my first campaign by managed to lose a first class Australian division in a poorly planned and premature attempt to take Port Blair in my current campaign. I personally think that even with Da Babes that it is way too easy for the Allied player to pull off fantastic invasions in 1942-43. (Not to mention Japan) I really try to play a more realistic and historical game but if either player is willing to risk losing units, there can be some big payoffs.

The loss at Sumatra was a serious one for Dan but speaking from the Allied perspective, I do not see it as a disaster. I have always said that if the Allies do not lose their carriers in 42-43 that they can pretty much survive any other sort of blow. The real decision will come at sea. Whoever wins the "big" carrier fight will have the edge. It matters little how many divisions a player has if he does not have control of the sea. Auto victory aside, the only major Japanese victories that I have seen have come with the total smashing of the Allied navy. Calling this one a draw so far. Lots more action to come.


I agree here. Maneuver warfare is the key to the game and if you control the seas you have superior control over maneuver in many locations.



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RE: Implications - 4/13/2016 10:32:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Serious Question: Does anyone know of another Japanese Player who had something similar to this occur at this stage of the war? Better yet--lots of JFB read this AAR so how about you sound off on what YOU consider to be your best moment in a campaign. Sound off and take some pride in accomplishment. Let us hear it!


I think Michael (NYGiants) could add his experience on this matter.

6 American divisions, 300 tanks and 500 airplanes were destroyed in August '43 in Western Australia in a brilliantly planned and executed envelopment. 150.000 Americans, including McArthur, became prisoners of war.

Edit: We continued playing until September '44. What the effect on the Allied war effort and replacement pools was, was hard to tell from my side. Maybe Michael has the answer.


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RE: Implications - 4/14/2016 1:11:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are all very welcome!

The stream of "yes we have justifiable reason to celebrate" posts would never have happened had I not thrown down the gauntlet.


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RE: Implications - 4/14/2016 1:17:13 PM   
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You are all very welcome!

The stream of "yes we have justifiable reason to celebrate" posts would never have happened had I not thrown down the gauntlet.


"I am part of that power which eternally wills AFB and eternally works JFB."

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I-Boats - 4/14/2016 1:46:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I need to seriously update my individual subs tally sheet but the success of my Submarine Arm has been amazing. Here is the exodus from the Marshalls--Gilberts with Japan's I-Boats striking yet once again.





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RE: I-Boats - 4/14/2016 2:05:05 PM   
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RE: I-Boats - 4/14/2016 2:29:37 PM   
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RE: I-Boats - 4/14/2016 2:39:11 PM   
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You have until mid-Sept until the Americans start producing at least 6 to 8 DEs per month forever and ever.


Don't forget the Patrol Frigates with 11 ASW value!

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RE: Implications - 4/14/2016 11:32:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

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You are all very welcome!

The stream of "yes we have justifiable reason to celebrate" posts would never have happened had I not thrown down the gauntlet.


"I am part of that power which eternally wills AFB and eternally works JFB."


Love it!!

(Hi from Bonn tonight Graffin!)

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RE: I-Boats - 4/14/2016 11:50:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HansBolter


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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

You have until mid-Sept until the Americans start producing at least 6 to 8 DEs per month forever and ever.


Don't forget the Patrol Frigates with 11 ASW value!


Really? I could use a few of those!

It really is disappointing you can't board and capture some of the smaller ships.

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RE: I-Boats - 4/15/2016 12:06:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Don't be giving away my FIRST Commando Operation. We're sneaking into San Fran and stealing the first six of these wessels. Shhhhhhh...don't tell Dan....

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New Looks - 4/15/2016 6:52:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Drat. Gave the Allies a small gift this day. Had a TF carrying a Construction Bn, Base Force, and Infantry Coy preparing to land at Abemanna near Tarawa and set my 60+ Fighters at Tabitueau to fly LRCAP. Weather closed in and shut down Tabit and so the TF tried to unload and got PASTED by SBDs. Lost ten small AK/AKL. Doesn't count for many points but still sucks.

On the BRIGHT side it tells me what Dan left at Tarawa. There are roughly 25 Fighters and 50 SBD. Well...we can do something about that. Time to prepare a CAP Trap. Detach two AKs from a convoy just a day away. They will go to Tabit and then get nearly 100 Fighters assigned as CAP. We'll send them north and TRASH this strike force from Tarawa. Won't bring back the lost ships but it will provide some good therapy for the Japanese player.


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New Looks - 4/15/2016 4:06:18 PM   
John 3rd


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Status: offline 		With the Allied Fleet pulled out of the Marshalls, it is time to prepare for the next assault. Need to improve my warning time for Allied Ops. Am taking two steps:

1. Have decided to improve my warning time of operations by ordering 4 Long-Range I-Boats and 5 Glen-Equipped I-Boats to move to the Pearl Harbor area. Time to do some sight-seeing. Pull an additional 4 Glen Boats from the IO and they are ordered to move UP NORTH where they will do long-range scouting SE of the Aleutians.

2. Have a group of 6 small AK about the deploy in a scouting line between the Aleutians and Pearl Harbor/West Coast. Dan does this all the time so I have decided that turn about is fair play.

The ENTIRE Carrier Fleet is now upgraded. I am moving the Fleet to Marcus where it shall wait. This primitive base is perfect for either moving north and moving south quickly. The next Allied Operation shall be fully resisted by the Kido Butai.




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RE: New Looks - 4/15/2016 4:14:27 PM   
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RE: New Looks - 4/15/2016 4:26:36 PM   
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The ENTIRE Carrier Fleet is now upgraded. I am moving the Fleet to Marcus where it shall wait. This primitive base is perfect for either moving north and moving south quickly. The next Allied Operation shall be fully resisted by the Kido Butai


1. Mine the base and include ACMs to maintain.
2. Disband just the CV/CVLs so a lucky American sub doesn't put a hole somewhere.
3. FP group there to provide close in ASW search.
4. AOs move here.

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RE: New Looks - 4/15/2016 4:50:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		My experience has been if you take all the CV/CVL/CVE out of a task force it will revert to Surface TF and when you transfer the CVs back in you cannot move back to Air Combat. I am probably doing something wrong.

Could hurt if you picked a good task force commander.

I would urge caution on your use of the KB. Even in this mod, strength versus strength doesn't seem to work very often for Japan from 43 onward. He has better radars, better fighters. Be sly on using the KB. I am not sure sure when you will get better fighters, but you get some nifty ones in the mod later.

Of course, this is your strength, so feel free to do whatever you think best.

Max your search, make him come to you, and pick your battlefield. IMHO.



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