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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/12/2016 10:08:53 PM   
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Shrapnel is a solid case shell designed to explode near the enemy and then throw out balls or fragments. Canister and grape operate more like a shotgun blast where there is no secondary explosion within the shell.


Shrapnel rounds designed to explode above the ground and shower down upon enemies as a counter to slit trenches.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/13/2016 5:49:59 AM   
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Battle of Sumatra: On the 11th, the Six Sisters, the Four Kongos, and the Three Brothers (including Yamato) bombard the two bases. I haven't seen KB, but I suspect strongly she's in this region.

I think John is finally coming for Sabang. A very large TF of merchantmen is between Sibolga and Sabang. And Allied sub hit one and caused troop casualties. Too, I got a couple of SigInt hits like 21/15 Div. prepping for Sabang.

His timing is funny. He waited to invade until after he persuade me to retire most of my army from Langsa to Sabang. So he'll catch Sabang at a stronger moment rather than at its weakest. Probably something on the order of 1500 AV. He's going to wrap up the campaign in the not too distant future, but I think not before Circus performs.

Operation Circus: More than 500 ships are at sea now. Still waiting on carriers to perform their maintenance calls - the main thing is topping off fuel and replacing missing aircraft to top off squadrons. The advance merchantmen are roughly 1/3rd of the way to the beachheads now. They'll stop in a few days and await the carriers. Essentially all ships should be at sea in four days. SigInt that a pioneer engineering unit is inbound to Manikowari on New Guinea's northeast coast.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/13/2016 1:52:55 PM   
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The length of this game, like mine, will be determined by the outcome of the first big CV clash. I can see both going into '46.


Michael, I will agree to disagree with you on this. We have Jocke vs Obvert where Obvert won the CV clashes and lost the war in July of 1945. Why? Economics was a major part along with Yankees in Korea.

So I will posit that any Japanese player can win the CV clashes and still lose the war well before 1946.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/13/2016 2:21:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

The length of this game, like mine, will be determined by the outcome of the first big CV clash. I can see both going into '46.


Michael, I will agree to disagree with you on this. We have Jocke vs Obvert where Obvert won the CV clashes and lost the war in July of 1945. Why? Economics was a major part along with Yankees in Korea.

So I will posit that any Japanese player can win the CV clashes and still lose the war well before 1946.



The other obvious example in my mind is my other long-running PBEM where I lost half the KB on day 2(!!!) and the game is still fun and competitive in mid-43 at least. If the Allies lose CVs there are other methodical methods to move forward. If the Japanese lose CVs they must buckle down and fight defensively earlier, but can push back and remain a threat if the Allies over-reach or become overly confident.

Here in RA with the enhanced defensive units of the Japanese OOB the Japanese should be able to withstand a few setbacks and stay competitive. The CD guns alone mean every invasion will be more hotly contested than in stock, and the better airframes mean air superiority might never go completely to the Allies except in local areas for short duration. See GreyJoy vs Mr Kane for examples of late war fighters with Symon's enhancements causing major problems for the Allies.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/13/2016 2:37:46 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/13/2016 2:51:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Often times I think there is too much emphasis put on the decisive battle...which seems to work more on the personal morale check of the players than the actual game situation.




Very true :)

Carrier's help with mobility, but its the planes they carry that do the damage...

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/13/2016 9:19:44 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/13/2016 9:20:02 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/13/2016 11:37:28 PM   
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Battle of Sumtra: The Japanese stacked advanced to Langsa, but slowly enough that all Allied units left the hex. I'm leaving a blocking position in the jungle, but I might abandon that if John continues to employ the bombardments that mess them up so bad. In that event, the fallback is to get the fighting troops into Sabang, where there is 83k supply and bombardments don't bother them, and to leave most of the support troops out in the jungle (to avoid overstacking). At this point I think the Allies will hold through the end of this month, which is enough (and more than I had expected).

Yamato and friends bombard Langsa.

An enemy amphibious TF drops troops onto the jungle road on the west side far south of Sabang (and behind John's own units). This was an "oops" by him - what I don't know is whether these troops were moving forward to Sabang or whether they had possibly picked up units from the jungle to take elsewhere.

We're at D Plus 184 now. Hard to believe.

Operation Circus: Ships are scurrying around, carriers are scurrying around, things are in the final stages of organization. Point Luck is growing crowded. No helpful SigInt today.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/14/2016 1:29:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel


Operation Circus: Ships are scurrying around, carriers are scurrying around, things are in the final stages of organization. Point Luck is growing crowded. No helpful SigInt today.


Hungry elephants can be preti nasti. An elephant bit my sister once. Feed the circus elephants or pay the consequences!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/14/2016 1:42:55 AM   
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An elephant bit my sister once.

Well, there's something you don't hear every day.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/14/2016 1:45:02 AM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/14/2016 1:59:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Who was it that once posted something about meeting a Chilean prostitute? I think it might've been crsutton.

When I searched Goggle for the reference the only hit I got was a thread (below) in which posters pick up the line before, add some stuff and leave an incomplete sentence for the next poster to continue. Zany fun!

http://www.matrixgames.com/Forums/tm.asp?m=3004200&mpage=6&key=

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/14/2016 3:39:58 PM   
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Happy National OPening the Mediterranean to Allied Transit Day!

Battle of Sumatra: The Japanese take empty Langsa without battle (the base flips automatically during the turn). Three Kongos bombard Sabang. So we're in the final stages now. Sabang has 82k supply and will ultimately have about 2k or 2.5k AV (probably towards the lower side). So enough to hold out for a few more weeks.

But Johhn knows things are winding up, as SigInt shows he's beginning to draw down on his Sumatran army. 2nd Div. which was recently at Medan, is aboard ship and bound for Rabaul.

Some form of a KB is between Sabang and Ceylon - mouseover shows only modest number of fighters and bombers (less than 100 combined), but I think that's just FOW as I don't have NavSearch out there. It's probably the Half KB I've been dealing with for months. I can't imagine John would send an understrength carrier TF into hostile territory not knowing whether the Death Star might pounce.

Operation Circus: Something like 520 ships are now at sea. All but one carrier has replenished and replaced missing aircraft and/or swapped for Hellcats. The carriers will leave port no later than day after tomorrow.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/14/2016 3:45:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Who was it that once posted something about meeting a Chilean prostitute? I think it might've been crsutton.


I ain't sticking my foot in that tar baby agin...

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/14/2016 9:20:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

5/14/43

Operation Circus: Something like 520 ships are now at sea. All but one carrier has replenished and replaced missing aircraft and/or swapped for Hellcats. The carriers will leave port no later than day after tomorrow.


The real destination may yet prove to surprise us I take it?

Kuriles, anyone?

Maybe not so dramatic, just the Marianas?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/14/2016 11:20:34 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/15/2016 12:18:19 AM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/15/2016 2:33:15 AM   
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I have had a mighty head-cold since Saturday. Thus I am a bit muddle-headed in recalling events...but hoping I'm issuing orders with unusual clarity. Does this strike you as a recipe for success?

Battle of Sumatra: Three BBs and Six Sisters combine to bombard Sabang to no effect (supply still at 82k). It'll take John a bit of time to configure his forces to make the final advances. This is all playing out in his favor, of course, but on the timeline that I had sought for the past two months. Very interesting situation.

KB (or some part thereof, mouseover giving poor detail) is halfway between Sabang and Ceylon. No way John sends carriers out there unless it's strong enough to face Death Star or unless John is absolutely certain Death Star isn't in theater...and he can't be positive of that. :)

Operation Circus: If everything goes as planned tomorrow, the American CVs and one RN CV will leave port. So the trapeze artist is gaining speed as he prepares to swing through and summersault into the midst of the Japanese position. More SigInt today that 2nd IJA Div. is prepping for Sabang but bound for Rabaul.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/15/2016 8:09:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

5/15/43 and 5/16/43

Operation Circus: If everything goes as planned tomorrow, the American CVs and one RN CV will leave port. So the trapeze artist is gaining speed as he prepares to swing through and summersault into the midst of the Japanese position. More SigInt today that 2nd IJA Div. is prepping for Sabang but bound for Rabaul.


Not very subtle. He lets you know it's coming from Sumatra, and doesn't cover it's destination with an intermediate false destination point like Darwin or Merauke. Unless it is destined for Merauke!!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/15/2016 5:05:42 PM   
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Battle of Sumatra: No bombardments today. Some subset of KB remains posted SW of Sabang. The enemy units continue to draw closer to Sabang where the final chapter will soon be played out, but not too soon it appears.

Operation Circus: The curtain went up on the opening act today as the Australians took Tennant Creek. The Allies wanted this base for recon purposes, though it's going to take some days to repair the field. More importantly, all ships are now at sea, including the carriers. Lots of pickets ships (mainly YMS) are probing forward into CenPac and SoPac with the intent of creating lots of "noise" and making John a bit uncertain as to the actual target. The bulk of the amphibious ships are nearly halfway to the beaches. It will take the carriers about three days to catch up. D-Day could be as soon as 7 or 8 days from now.

SigInt shows a Guards Division inbound to Soerabaja, continuing the flood of IJA reinforcements to the Circus area of operations.

I'll say this - every piece of evidence I can put my hands on indicates that Circus is properly oriented. It's a big undertaking that promises big risks and big rewards if successful. If, on the other hand, John has sniffed it out and orchestrated things in such a way that SigInt has been giving false returns for four months of game time, then I'll have to bow to him. But I think we're ready for the show.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/15/2016 7:03:15 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/15/2016 7:28:23 PM   
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The curtain went up on the opening act today as the Australians took Tennant Creek. The Allies wanted this base for recon purposes,


It's going to be a bit of a disappointment if it is near Tennant Creek. I'm sure I'm not the only reader who expects a big unveil somewhere completely unexpected . Exciting times.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/15/2016 7:35:25 PM   
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But with Tennant in hand, I've moved a small PBY squadron from Normanton over to a dot base in the Java Sea that is still Allied controlled. There's no supply, so the PBYs may not give me any decent search, but I'm hoping to shake John just a bit. I think Half (or thereabouts) KB is still in the Sabang area, though I cannot be positive.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/15/2016 8:02:49 PM   
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I pick Koepang.

< Message edited by BillBrown -- 3/15/2016 8:03:47 PM >

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/15/2016 8:17:54 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/15/2016 8:25:20 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/15/2016 8:32:01 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/15/2016 8:32:22 PM   
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Me? I'd be pulling a Greyjoy




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/15/2016 8:36:18 PM   
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