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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 6:44:09 PM   
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In my Japan AAR game, this AAR made me look at the dot hex. I made a note of it for the future. It's so hard to see unless its pointed out to you! We are all becoming quite paranoid, indeed.


(waves hand all jedi-mind-trick style)

There is no need to tend to green dots... there is no need to tend to green dots... invade the US West Coast... invade the US West Coast...


LOL - turn will come tonite, I was sick last night.

I think your mind trick worked on Lowpe ...

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 7:10:38 PM   
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Big Tent: D-Day goes without a hitch, which is a rarity in this complex game. The three targeted bases are basically or totally undefended, meaning the Allies indeed achieved strategic surprise. (But not operational surprise, John keeps emphasizing - more about that below).

At Manikwari, 1st Cavalry Div. comes ashore in excellent condition and finds a small pioneer engineer unit (SigInt had disclosed this several months back). The cavalary, with 383 AV, low disruption, low fatigue, should take the base tomorrow. The big USN base force, the army engineering regiment, and the HQ unit are present to begin working on port and airfield facilities.

Biak and Noemfoor are undefended and will fall to the small units landed there (barring an unlikely Japanese spoiling attack).

Japanese subs didn't create problems; no sign of combat ships or carriers (I wish I had a lead on those guys); a small strike comes in from Palau well escorted by Franks and Georges. Death Star's massive CAP handled this with the Japanese suffering 3:1 losses (the only loss to speak of for the Allies was 10 Wildcats).

SigInt reports a division to Balikpapan, two divisions to Ambon (16th, as before, plus 2nd Guards, which previously was heading for Ternate), and Jap regiment to Aitape. These are very interesting. Combined with John's email comment (more about that below), this tells me alot about what he thinks. He thinks this is a fairly localized operation, but we're just getting started.

John does have enough level four airfields to pose some danger to the Allies, but they really don't worry me unless KB shows up. Like I said, I wish I knew it's whereabouts. Soon I'll have alot more nav search, so then I'll feel better. Then, when the first airfields are operational (probably within a week), things will stabilize.

In the meantime, I'm going to do something unusual. Rather than keeping all those TFs at Biak, Noemfoor and Manikwari to unload more troops and lots of supply, all of them are weighing anchor tonight. Death Star is moving aggressively NW towards Morotai. I don't want to leave shipping behind without air cover, so they have to come along. Death Star will take station a few hexes NW of Sorong, to cover landings there tomorrow (the most important target of them all; probably lightly defended, but we'll see) and four hexes from Morotai. If things go well, the invasion of Morotai (5th Indian Div.) will take place in two or three days.

If that's successful, the threat to PI and vicinity becomes more real and imminent. I think John then shifts his highes priority to attending to Borneo/PI/etc., probably rendering some places (Aitape, Boela, Babo, Taberfane, Saumlauki, Merauke, Horn Island, etc) less important. If I'm right, he diverts some troops that otherwise might come into the main target area.

Ambon will be interesting. If he parks two divisions there, I probably don't invade. Instead, I'd use that division for some other likely base that might neutralize Ambon.

At some point, I do have to pull back to establish a viable LOC. I might do this via the north coast of New Guinea, but far more likely I'll go along the south coast, aiming for the Saumlauki/Taberfane complex, Merauke, Horn Island, and Port Moresby. If those are taken, I have a fairly secure route to good ports (but a long way off) and John has a problem on the north end of the DEI that he probably can't remedy. His only option will be to create a new firewall closer to home.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 7:21:06 PM   
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John's email to me:

"This is what I wrote on the November 3rd turn:

"Haven't had a chance to run the run as of yet due to leaving for a Historical Society event this morning.

"Spent part of the night waiting for the turn and am willing to now make some predictions: 1. He shall move past Truk and head for the North Coast of New Guinea. Targets: Biak or others in that area.


"Sometimes I get things right!"

I don't reply to John's comments (to avoid taunting or otherwise giving offense), or if I do reply its neutral about something else entirely. But if I did reply, I'd want to ask: "Why aren't they defended then?"

It's pretty clear that the pre-invasion analysis was on target. The Allies have indeed achieved strategic surprise. John was (understandably) focused on Marcus, the Marianas, Truk and the Marshalls. He's scrambling to throw together a new line of defenses. He's probably a bit chagrined. He might be desperate enough to commit combat ships or carriers thinking that he's got to do something to stop the bleeding.

So things are off to a promising start, but I've got to balance caution against the opportunities to strike deep, establish bases on the cusp of his oil producing centers, and jangle his nerves so that perhaps he doesn't think clearly for awhile.

For instance, in the past he would've jumped all over Satawal and Wake Island by now, since they're isolated at the moment. But I think his equilibrium is off. That will change soon. In fact, I think it's changing now. He's already showing a bit more fight in his emails and his body language.





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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 8:18:42 PM   
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John's email to me:

"This is what I wrote on the November 3rd turn:

"Haven't had a chance to run the run as of yet due to leaving for a Historical Society event this morning.

"Spent part of the night waiting for the turn and am willing to now make some predictions: 1. He shall move past Truk and head for the North Coast of New Guinea. Targets: Biak or others in that area.


"Sometimes I get things right!"

I don't reply to John's comments (to avoid taunting or otherwise giving offense), or if I do reply its neutral about something else entirely. But if I did reply, I'd want to ask: "Why aren't they defended then?"

It's pretty clear that the pre-invasion analysis was on target. The Allies have indeed achieved strategic surprise. John was (understandably) focused on Marcus, the Marianas, Truk and the Marshalls. He's scrambling to throw together a new line of defenses. He's probably a bit chagrined. He might be desperate enough to commit combat ships or carriers thinking that he's got to do something to stop the bleeding.

So things are off to a promising start, but I've got to balance caution against the opportunities to strike deep, establish bases on the cusp of his oil producing centers, and jangle his nerves so that perhaps he doesn't think clearly for awhile.

For instance, in the past he would've jumped all over Satawal and Wake Island by now, since they're isolated at the moment. But I think his equilibrium is off. That will change soon. In fact, I think it's changing now. He's already showing a bit more fight in his emails and his body language.






I am willing to bet that up till a month or two ago John thought that these bases need not be covered as his superior carrier force prevented this sort of shenanigan. However with events unfolding in the way that they did there was just no plan "B." There should always be a plan B.

I assume the once set up you will backtrack for Manus and Hansa Bay? They will be your closest level 9 airfield and level 7 port until you reach the PI. I can see the reasons for his leaving your present targets without a garrison but Hansa Bay? That is unthinkable.

The thing is that the Japanese player always has to focus on the Allies most advanced foothold. If you are secure around Biak then everything behind it can be taken at your leisure. Not necessarily easily but it will be hard for him to contest. If I learned anything from your style of play as the Allies is that sometimes if just pays to go ahead and stick your foot into the tar baby and take the lumps that go with it. It is all about denying initiative.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 9:15:31 PM   
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I have troops prepped for Vanimo, Hansa Bay and Manus. Those bases are (I think) undefended at the moment. I'll be busy "forward" for a long time, however, so my best hope is that pressure exerted forwards forces John to neglect what is about to become his rear (just like you're saying).

Tomorrow's targets: (1) Sorong - the most important target in the entire mission. The assault troops include 41st Div., two army construction regiments, a big USN base force, a Brit BF, and an HQ unit. Lots more in the follow up TFs, but that may be delayed while I move on Morotai or Ambon; (2) Sansapor - this dot base beside Sorong can be built into a port and airfield; it gets part of a US RCT and a nice USN base force; should be undefended; (3) Waigeo - this island off of Sorong doesn't have port capablity but does have big airfield capability. It gets only part of a US RCT for now.

All CVLs, CAs and CLAAs replenished fuel today. All carrier TFs can go a long distance now if necessary. I plan to replenish CVs and BBs tomorrow.

My AOs have distributed alot of fuel - most are now between 30% and 70% full - with an average of about 50%. I do have a great deal of TKs and fuel-toting xAKs present.


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 9:31:46 PM   
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John's email to me:

"This is what I wrote on the November 3rd turn:

"Haven't had a chance to run the run as of yet due to leaving for a Historical Society event this morning.

"Spent part of the night waiting for the turn and am willing to now make some predictions: 1. He shall move past Truk and head for the North Coast of New Guinea. Targets: Biak or others in that area.


"Sometimes I get things right!"



This sounds like 100% bluster to cause you to be cautious and slow the pace of your operation. Pay no attention to the man behind the screen!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 9:46:09 PM   
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Is the man behind the curtain Bullwinkle wearing nothing but a goat-skin Speedo?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 10:16:19 PM   
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Taba naba!

Re: KB. How many carriers needed repair after the Marshalls / Wake campaign? Where would they have gone for repair? Do / did you have subs waiting for a shot? It seems to me that the home islands would have the nearest repair yards, which is why I fuss about keeping subs on the roads of the major ports - a damaged ship sinks better with just a little 21" help... How long will it take for them to repair?

I've noticed an ebb and flow in my (AI) games, where at times there is a lull after an action. It seems that you stole a march during what John might have been expected to be a lull. Operation Third Ring looks as if it's shaping up to be more of the same.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 10:21:15 PM   
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I think Akagi needed repairs, but she could be back in action now. The battle was nearly two months ago.

I had subs between Wake and Tokyo but didn't catch a sniff of any retiring ships.

Allied subs are now mainly posted between Tokyo and the Big Tent area, with the largest concentrations clustered just east and just west of the Marshalls.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 10:35:13 PM   
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Big Tent begins to unfold.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 10:38:20 PM   
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Those are three good bases to grab.

I fear for Japan when Jan 1, 1944 rolls around.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 11:01:55 PM   
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Ambon is good to broaden yous salient and improve communication with Oz but it is in the wrong direction. Go, go, go...pour it on! Terante, Manado, Tailud-eilandedn, Southern mindanao, Jolo! Advance to to the sound of guns, General Jackson!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 11:08:55 PM   
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Yes, broadening the salient is important...as is pushing in the right direction...but so is maintaining a defensible network of bases and not risking the fleet when it's probably not productive long term.

Long term, to make this meaningful, I have to make sure that the main bases are built up large and have tremendous stores of supplies. That's going to take some time. But before I begin attending supply, I do want to attend to the region and try to ward off enemy reinforcement convoys if I can.

Lots of priority missions, lots of opportunties, but I can't do 'em all.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 11:16:43 PM   
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Here's the Big Tent targets by Code Name. This dates from October 26, nearly three weeks ago. There have already been changes; some subtractions (Wolei, for instance) and quite a few additions.

At the time I made this screenshot, I was leaning towards the herd retiring the way they came or down the north coast of New Guinea (in that case, adding bases as they went, like Vanimo and Hansa Bay).

Planning was already underway in Oz to create Third Ring. The further into that plan, the more I liked it. There are dozens of Allied units in northern Oz prepping for bases from New Guinea to the islands between Timor and Ceram.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 11:19:44 PM   
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A few bases with existing AF are important. that is why he is sending two divisions to Ambon. What about Manado? Do you have guys prepped for Manado?

BTW, there is a level 1 AF next to Ambon. Forget what it is called.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 11:21:40 PM   
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No troops prepped for Manado and I don't want to venture that far into Indian territory.

I think Sorong airfield will grow very big very fast with four army engineering regiments. Others will follow in pretty good order.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 11:21:42 PM   
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Namlea

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 11:22:34 PM   
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Namlea is a possibility if I head down towards Ambon, either to invade or to ward off reinforcements.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 11:24:35 PM   
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Airfields are critical and the sooner the better. But I'd be a heckuva lot more worried if John had built one or two in the immediate area. But he just left this region totally alone. There are some outliers - Ternate, Ambon, Kendari (all level four) and Manado and Dili (level two or three), but the heart of the region is enemy airfield free. That was one of the big draws.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 11:25:10 PM   
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The native women of Boela are not going to appreciate their code name.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 11:25:50 PM   
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But the men of Ambon might like "rake," right?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 11:28:09 PM   
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Ambon is good to broaden yous salient and improve communication with Oz but it is in the wrong direction. Go, go, go...pour it on! Terante, Manado, Tailud-eilandedn, Southern mindanao, Jolo! Advance to to the sound of guns, General Jackson!


I've certainly read plenty of your AARs where you've made incredible advances along that axis, on a seeming shoe string budget to boot.

I've often wondered whether your play was really that inspired, your opponent was really that bad or that once one has the ball rolling in that area of the map it's almost impossible to stop.

Your recent comments in this thread tend to indicate it's the latter, that there are so many bases in the area that it's impossible to properly defend once the allies have a foothold.

But, if I'm recalling correctly, you've almost always had KB reduced to near impotence before you've started your broken field run.

Do you think that such an advance still feasible in the face of a still powerful KB?

If it's not too much trouble, I'd be interested in reading your thoughts on the matter.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/29/2016 11:37:34 PM   
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I wouldn't have pulled the trigger on Big Tent if KB was still intact. Not even close. I'd be content to work closer to home. I might've targeted the Ellice Islands (Funafuti, etc.) or perhaps tried to hit Kwaj or Roi or Tabituea. But I wouldn't be venturing deep.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/30/2016 12:04:13 AM   
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There is a dot hex (Sidate) next to Manado with a highway to Manado. Take the dot hex with some commandos then land a division or two and march on Manado.

The second attack from Oz through the Moluccas sounds great. Get a couple of air fields and then use the APD's and the faster landing craft and swarm all over him like lampreys on a dead whale.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/30/2016 12:08:49 AM   
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Just a McMurphy quote from "Cuckoos's Nest" then I will stop spamming.


"I'm gonna put a bug so far up her a** she won't know whether to s*** or wind her wrist watch".

Just substitue John for Nurse Ratched Of course, in the end, McMurphy does get a lobotomy

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/30/2016 1:38:42 AM   
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Is the man behind the curtain Bullwinkle wearing nothing but a goat-skin Speedo?


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Cap Mandrake: Pay no attention to the man behind the screen!


Methinks this is in reference to the great Wizard of Oz.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/30/2016 2:49:25 AM   
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Bullwinkle is the Great Oz? And what exactly is the Moose doing behind that curtain?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/30/2016 2:53:18 AM   
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How Forumites Became Ad Hoc Co-Editors of Georgia Backroads Magazine

Lokasenna, Cap Mandrake and several others acted as helpful volunteer editors for my story, "27 Miles from Nowhere," that will appear in the autumn issue of the magazine. Thanks to them I looked up Purple Prose, learned a bit, and then followed their suggestions (and some others) about toning down a few words and phrases in the story. I changed "ghostly moonlight" to "pale moonlight" and did a few similar things. But I did leave in "looming bulk" and (at least for now) "gloaming."

The forum is a remarkable bunch.

P.S. In the past, others have helped with a variety of stories, including some about the Civil War (Poultry Lad was a big help there) and Iwo Jima (a big nod to JWE).

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/30/2016 3:46:41 AM   
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Bullwinkle is the Great Oz? And what exactly is the Moose doing behind that curtain?


Prancing.


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How Forumites Became Ad Hoc Co-Editors of Georgia Backroads Magazine

Lokasenna, Cap Mandrake and several others acted as helpful volunteer editors for my story, "27 Miles from Nowhere," that will appear in the autumn issue of the magazine. Thanks to them I looked up Purple Prose, learned a bit, and then followed their suggestions (and some others) about toning down a few words and phrases in the story. I changed "ghostly moonlight" to "pale moonlight" and did a few similar things. But I did leave in "looming bulk" and (at least for now) "gloaming."

The forum is a remarkable bunch.

P.S. In the past, others have helped with a variety of stories, including some about the Civil War (Poultry Lad was a big help there) and Iwo Jima (a big nod to JWE).



Gloaming is a good word. Despite the color of sky it can at times describe, it's not exactly purple.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/30/2016 4:40:50 AM   
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Airfields are critical and the sooner the better. But I'd be a heckuva lot more worried if John had built one or two in the immediate area. But he just left this region totally alone. There are some outliers - Ternate, Ambon, Kendari (all level four) and Manado and Dili (level two or three), but the heart of the region is enemy airfield free. That was one of the big draws.


Yep, this is the big point. The one thing the Japanese cannot do at this point is to match airfield construction with the Allies. So no matter how he rushes troops to the vicinity he will not be able to develop airfields in time to hope to counter you. At this point, two divisions at Ambion will probably just be two division that are cut off. As I said in John's AAR. I was worried about the super Jack (missing from this one) and George. However, I have come to realize that they are only a nuisance. The real advantage for the Allies at this point is not aircraft, it is engineers. That pretty much negates any airplane he can produce.

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