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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/27/2017 3:13:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		The invasion of Korea really got John to rolling with bravado. Here's the sequence of emails he sent over those few days:

1. November 10: Are you seriously looking at making another Amphib Landing in China/Manchuria/Korea?  Wow.  Roll the dice Sir.  I’ve got anywhere from 600—3,100 AV at the coast ports.  This could be interesting to watch.

2. November 10: This should prove interesting.  I was thinking you’d land on the China side or deep into the Yellow Sea.  OK.  For years, 8,831 AV have sat idle.  Orders go out…

3. November 11:

You’ve fully activated the Manchurian/Korean troops.  Never thought in a million years they would actually get a chance to fight.  This WILL be fun to watch.  Part of me—in the AAR---talked about your China move that it would be telling at four points:
 
Form the coastal lodgment and use it to directly jump into Japan by Nov 1944.  OR
Advance deeper into China and take all of Southern China to the Yangste.  Japan by February 1945.  OR
Advance and take all of China but stop short of crossing into Manchuria.  Japan Landing by May 1945.  OR
Stay and take the entire Mainland.  No Japan Landing until late-Summer 1945.
 
I hoped for this so the Mainland could continue to develop new ‘toys’ and rebuild destroyed units.  Looks like it is Option 4 so it should be interesting to see just how much TIME and Casualties this decision costs.  You get AFs right next to the Homeland but the troops will be occupied for quite a while.
 
Should be fun to see how it plays out…

4. November 12:

Oh…no…the Fleet is here.  Been engaged in some subterfuge.  Several of them appear this turn.  More on the way…
 
Speaking as a player, I really like your move here.  Might have waited another 10-14 days so you could be engaged or threatening to engage my line up in Eastern China/Western Manchuria.  If that had happened I would not have a wealth of reinforcements to send south to the knew threat.  Reality is that you have 3,000 modern AV landed and will be on the move with a strong chance of crushing anything in its path but at least I do have the option of making it a fight.  As said, nice move.

5. November 12:

The debate going on in my AAR is something.  I have 8,771 AV and another 3,500 at the border.  You have everything going for you!  We’ll see how right Rommel was about the only chance of winning the invasion was at the beach.
 
My 600-3,100 comment was farther NORTH.  I thought you would work farther north to cut off the troops up there.  WRONG on John’s part. 
 
You are right ‘it’s fun and wacky and violent and frenetic.’ 
 
Were you surprised to run into a capital ship at Fusan?  There are more baby.  The Kaigun will make its final stand…
 
Best of Luck to you Sir!

6. November 13: The carriers have been obvious for nearly a year.  The BIG BOYS are another story. 

He got very fired up and was flipping turns like the old days. But since his SoPac raid ended with a whimper, he's pulled back into his shell. He's no longer jazzed about prospects in Korea.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/27/2017 4:01:45 PM   
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To this point, I haven't attacked his shipyards. All of them are in range now, and I think he has a lot of his ships disbanded in port with big airfields and stout CAP. When Gunzan airfield is ready for offensive operations - perhaps ten more days - that'll open up the air war considerably; strategic bombing and port bombing should increase significantly.


HB offensives take lots of supply. I'm thinking you will have to send DS south to escort another massive slug of it in a couple of weeks. That may give John an opening to try use his navy.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/27/2017 4:03:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I'll have to orchestrate one more delivery of supply to fund the war in March and April. I'm waiting until Gunzan airfield is about level 7 or 8 (or until the Allies win a decisive naval battle). But if John commits KB to the Home Islands, I won't need to detach Death Star at all.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/27/2017 6:09:23 PM   
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John is fighting several morale battles. The first is the inevitable letdown following his SoPac raid (he loves raiding). The second is the prospect of committing his beloved navy in an unfavorable environment when I know he's likely to come (he loves raiding, not fighting set-piece battles at poor odds in places he didn't choose). The third is he's probably a bit of a control freak. If that's the case, he doesn't want the game to end on any terms but his. So he's either going to Banzai with his navy, ending it decisively...or he's going to drag things out for seventeen moons, with turns coming sporadically and possibly him conceding before Auto Victory is reached.


Consider yourself lucky. I think I just had another opponent quit on me (turns every day, good communication, then nothing for the last week. No communication at all. I’ll give him another week before I declare it over – Allies win in Jan ’42, AGAIN!) Probably had something to do with me sinking 3 Baby CV’s and 5 DD’s in the North Pac, and 4-5 heavy CA’s and about 5-6 DD’s at Townsville all in a single day’s action. Not my fault he didn’t have any search of planes scouring Oz before he sent in an SCTF without any CAP to bombard Townsville, only to run into the Repulse, about 10 CA’s, 10 CL’s, and 30 or so DD’s. Not my fault he didn’t account for 2 of my heavy CV’s before he sent in some baby CV’s to cover an invasion force of Dutch Harbor (far far away from his 6 fleet CV’s) Sigh - so demoralizing to have “tried” to PBEM this game for years and years, and all I get are a bunch of quitters. And oh yeah, I see the quitter from before this match posting for an opponent in the “Opponents Wanted” section. I feel I should PM anyone that shows interest to warn them that once the Japanese Fun Time is over, be prepared for him to disappear.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/27/2017 6:26:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, you ought to warn folks of your flannel-footed opponent, Acepylut. He tiptoed right out the door, so his future opponents will appreciate a heads up from you.


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/27/2017 6:29:52 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/27/2017 6:46:52 PM   
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its a tough start as the Japanese, because every Japanese player tries to do too much to go for auto-vic and its very, very hard to do.

(Sorry for hijacking your AAR)

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/27/2017 10:18:08 PM   
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A mostly good day, but pressure is building in the cooker. Both of us have a lot of power in the Yellow Sea/Korea area. John is making explicit threats via email that he's hit upon a big plan. I think things will build to some point of culmination. Meanwhile, the Allies are moving forward in the key theaters: Malaya, northern China, Korea.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/27/2017 10:59:36 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/28/2017 1:08:03 AM   
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CR -are you going to call it the Loyang pocket, the Sinyang pocket, or just the China pocket...



Looks like China is a giant poke-sack right now! The critters in the sack may thrash and punch at the sides of the sack but in the end they will be taken to market and delivered to the butcher!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/28/2017 3:05:49 AM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/28/2017 4:13:58 AM   
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I haven't run the turn yet, but this was John's email message:

Not the turn I expected.
 
You want Bushido?  I think I have seized on a plan worthy of any SamuraI!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/28/2017 12:13:07 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/28/2017 1:54:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I keep repeating the mantra .. but the IJ have zero supply propagating from Fusan .. do post a combat report when the supply goes (-) in central China
The bases will start to deplete first I imagine .. I have forgotten do the IJ victory points go down each turn as supply decreases below thresholds for bases? If so it might be a clue that the point has been reached.


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/28/2017 2:04:07 PM   
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2/13/45

I haven't run the turn yet, but this was John's email message:

Not the turn I expected.
 
You want Bushido?  I think I have seized on a plan worthy of any SamuraI!






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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/28/2017 2:30:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Japan shows a "(-) supply" for most or all combats in China. We'll know more when the Battle of Tsinan commences in a couple of days (I'm waiting to envelop the hex from the rear to limit John's ability to rail in reinforcements. He has two divisions and a mixed brigade there now, so he intends to make a fight there.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/28/2017 2:40:43 PM   
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Hawaii: John has a sub working the lanes just north of Pearl. It's caught wind of several big cargo TFs. Usually, this prompts John to raid. I don't have enough combat ships in this vicinity to provide protection, so I'm going to (at least temporarily) eliminate Pearl as a supply depot. From this point forward, supply will move directly from West Coast to SoPac.





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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/28/2017 3:01:14 PM   
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DEI: Other than a successful alpha-strike against Death Star, the most effective thing John could do now would be to successfully interdict Allied supply. He can't do it by nibbling at the edges - Hawaii, SoPac, whatever. The only way he can do it is to hit the accumulation of ships at Boela. The only way he can do that is to penetrate the defenses. Boela is strongly held with lots of air power there and nearby. The weakness is combat ships. There's enough there to provide some protection - but not against a full KB/Kaigun onslaught. I'm working to beef up those defenses but a full-on onslaught by John's navy would definitely be scary times. He hasn't done this before because he knows its a hard target that can bite back. But Death Star is a harder target, so he might ratchet up his resolve enough to pull the trigger.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/28/2017 3:09:24 PM   
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A Kamikaze Fireworks against Death Star would make any Samurai smile.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/28/2017 3:41:21 PM   
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Fancy Pants & Funnel Cakes: Fairly quiet today, as Allied armies are mostly in transit - to Canton, into northernmost China, and against southernmost Korea. Tomorrow should be a noisy day from my perspective. Any day could be a noisy day from John's, depending on when he unleashes the Kaigun or the Kamikazes or the Koi Fish or whatever he has in mind.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/28/2017 3:57:51 PM   
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Kamikazes or the Koi Fish or whatever he has in mind.


Kamikaze shower curtains???







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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/28/2017 4:00:25 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/28/2017 4:51:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I suspect Shanghai is depleted for the same reasons John has a major problem developing in China (if it is already not a major problem) .. the supply is pulsing like waves from bases to the units in the field doing things ..the more he does .. the bigger this draw .. you have the major means for bringing in fresh supplies (Fusan) cutoff ... The end is near ..

You also answered my question that the points for bases do fluctuate each turn ..



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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/28/2017 9:12:32 PM   
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Fancy Pants & Funnel Cakes: An interesting battle in Korea - I lose it but I think overall it went well. The sweepers swept first, to good effect. The Liberators hit hard. And the Japanese overwhelmed (four divisions + to one division). Overall the diminution to John's fighting power may make it hard for him to press forward.

Allied strategic bombing went well, though I did lose 13 Superforts setting 145k fires at Kanazawa and 60k at Hiroshima.

The amazing thing is just how stretched I am. I need supply. I need fighters to sweep in Korea and in northern China. I need bombers against the Home Islands and critical targets in Korea and China. My LOC now stretches from Korea to China to Formosa to Luzon to the DEI to Oz to SoPac. Along the way, each area requires appropriate combat ship and CAP protection. I have hundreds of fighters at Gunzan, Shanghai, Ningpo, Taichu, Manila, Boela, Oz. The Allies have an immense OOB, but at this moment it's stretched very far - and in places very thin - to allow for security while also prosecuting the war.

I think the key now is Korea. In a week or so Gunzan will be a level 7 airfield. Allied LBA can sweep and bomb the Home Islands and major targets in Korea and Manchuria. But I'm going to need that infusion of supply within the month. How do I detach Death Star to go retrieve it? Can I split DS? Can I figure out a way to get the supply in without using DS? Or must I suck it up and just devote DS for the 21 days or so it will take to cover that operation?

Big questions.

It's February 1945. The Allied OOB is spectacular. The Allied position (Korea! China!) is excellent. I have an opponent doing everything he can to figure out ways to blunt and nibble and frustrate. The challenges are tremendous. What a game!




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/28/2017 9:19:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Marines do not get the Strat movement on roads ability that US Army units get. I suspect it is because they are supposed to have fewer vehicles (because those might impede their ability to load up and land amphibiously).

EDIT: Note that there does not seem to be a check on the actual presence of vehicles in the unit - US Army units can strat move on roads even if they have few vehicles.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/28/2017 9:30:23 PM   
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Marines do not get the Strat movement on roads ability that US Army units get. I suspect it is because they are supposed to have fewer vehicles (because those might impede their ability to load up and land amphibiously).

EDIT: Note that there does not seem to be a check on the actual presence of vehicles in the unit - US Army units can strat move on roads even if they have few vehicles.


Alfred clarified this a while back. Vehicles don't matter. It's based on nationality and the US Navy is considered a nationality for this purpose.

I sent quite a few Seabees to China only to learn they can't exploit the road network the way an army engineer unit can.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/28/2017 9:38:58 PM   
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Snowballing Supply Needs.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/29/2017 1:44:11 AM   
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I predict that J3's carriers will make their last stand at Bikini Atoll.


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/29/2017 11:58:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Once the good IJN destroyers and cruisers enter the surface fray it’s a good bet the CV’s are preparing themselves for Interment somewhere far away. John has some BB’s left too I believe. I expect they will soon try and break through to something somewhere

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/29/2017 1:18:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		With all of those airfields, it doesn't make sense for you to have your entire Carrier Fleet tied to a single location. You should have more than enough to detach a very powerful force to escort your supply convoys - and leave plenty of surface forces to deal with John's remaining assets.

I would recommend creating a second Death Star for your supply convoys - and do it immediately.

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