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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2017 4:10:01 PM   
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3/3/45

Judging by his body language, John really hard a hard time coming back to the game after the Battle of Gunzan.

South China Sea: Opposing carrier forces are 17 hexes apart, but fuel limits my options.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2017 4:43:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		See post 13260, at the bottom of the previous page. She's in good enough shape to rejoin the fleet when it returns from the DEI to China.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2017 5:20:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Enemy possession of Hankow breaks your move to Sinyang from Wuchang. Do you expect to conquer Hankow soon?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2017 5:43:45 PM   
Canoerebel


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Status: offline 		I control the hexsides in an out of Hankow, so my units can move through.

Since Hankow is 4x urban, I'll probably just ignore it. I'd rather get my guys as far north (east) as possible as soon as possible.


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2017 9:00:05 PM   
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I know now the antonym for "Banzai!" in John's world. It looks like this: "Arghhhh…" That was the extent of John's email message to me this morning.

Battle of Palawan: The Japanese stumble blindly into a carrier battle centered on the island of Palawan. The engagement is a bit messy - lots of aircraft downed, lots of misses, and at least three dud-hits for Allied torpedoes. The damage inflicted could have been much worse but it still was a lopsided victory, with all damage (except aircraft) suffered by the Japanese.

This week, John has lost three BB, one CA, one CV, one CVL, with serious damage to two CVL, a CV and a CL. He's a navy guy, this is a navy game, so he's really hurting form a morale standpoint.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2017 9:07:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		In preparing the next turn, I swapped out lots of depleted fighter and strike squadrons for fresh squadrons from Manila. Sorties and torps are good. So I entered orders for two of the Allied carrier TFs to give chase, hunting for cripples. Then I realized this was almost certainly a wild goose chase. Assuming Ryujo went down (two TT hits, so probably), the only other damaged IJ ships are CV Taikaku (1TT, 1 Bomb) and CL Shokatsu (1 TT). There's a decent chance they can make 20+ knots or more. There's a strong chance John will use flank speed and head for Singapore. My fuel is limited and expending two or three or four days giving chase will probably result in a much higher opportunity cost than I can every recoup. The sooner I can get the supply from the DEI to Korea, the sooner the Allied army goes on the offensive and Allied 4EB and fighters initiate strategic missions against the Home Islands.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2017 9:27:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can't imagine that he's still going to try heading north - you are better off hemming him in & on the off chance he tries to head north, putting yourself in a position to intercept.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2017 9:31:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've loaded up Miri, a big airfield, with strike aircraft and Corsairs set to escort. Same for Cam Ranh Bay and Manila. I think that's the best way to handle his carriers while mine resume the march to the DEI.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2017 9:32:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I control the hexsides in an out of Hankow, so my units can move through.

Since Hankow is 4x urban, I'll probably just ignore it. I'd rather get my guys as far north (east) as possible as soon as possible.



They can't move through in Strat mode, which I thought was your aim. Per recent posts on the main forum, you may have to set them in Reserve mode for them to march through. In a contested hex the AI might treat them as "engaged".

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2017 9:39:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Does Miri have any fuel? Could one of your CVTFs head that way and refuel there?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2017 9:42:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow - talk about serendipity! You maybe overdid the defensive CAP at the expense of some strike escorts but the result is certainly good enough!
Again, your advantage was intel on KB position so you could anticipate a clash while his weakness was not keeping accurate tabs on your DS.
Kudos on your decisions!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2017 9:58:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Miri has plenty of fuel but it's only a level two port. When KB isn't lurking, I have LSTs drawing down on the fuel and delivering it to Manila (but that program was just getting underway when KB started this raid). Anyhow, I don't want to bog down Death Star by sending her off on a tangent to Miri. Death Star will fully refuel at Manila in about a week, as it makes the return journey from the DEI.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2017 10:06:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Most of the units passing through Hankow are Chinese. They can't use strat mode on roads, so they'll just be on the march using the good road through the hex.

Like you, I've been following that thread by the guy having trouble moving from Manila to Clark. But I think that was a function of the hex just changing sides. In this case, I control the necessary hexsides to travel through Hankow. I am confident my units can do so without issue.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2017 10:11:41 PM   
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Most of the units passing through Hankow are Chinese. They can't use strat mode on roads, so they'll just be on the march using the good road through the hex.

Like you, I've been following that thread by the guy having trouble moving from Manila to Clark. But I think that was a function of the hex just changing sides. In this case, I control the necessary hexsides to travel through Hankow. I am confident my units can do so without issue.

Right. Again, I was looking at the rail from Wuchang to Sinyang for the Chinese. It would save them a few days even with changing modes. But I agree they can also just keep marching.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/18/2017 10:48:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I'd probably hunt his carriers for fun . But then again, even if you do not it's completely ok. He can only retreat to Singapore. Those carriers who took hits are likely out of the war. If you catch them, good. If not, they're going to be relegated to Singapore for a while.

I agree that your big supply operation is more important right now. With his carrier force depleted, he's going to be less and less able to mount significant carrier operations.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/20/2017 2:17:45 PM   
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DEI: Mini Death Star nearing Boela in good order. Death Star is 23 hexes NW of Boela and will come as near as about Morotai. The big supply run is about to commence.






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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/20/2017 2:25:49 PM   
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South China Sea: Allied strike aircraft made some noisy raids vs. KB passing nearby, but missed. But a USN sub hit CA Haguro, which is significant.






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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/20/2017 2:38:20 PM   
Canoerebel


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Fancy Pants & Funnel Cakes: I figured out at least part of the supply issue and it's now flowing forward into northernmost China. Rangoon has built up 350k and it wasn't flowing forward. Let's see if I can get the spigot flowing right.





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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/20/2017 3:11:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		HQ units draw supply. Set up a conga line of HQ units all through China and up North and supply will follow

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/20/2017 5:16:01 PM   
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HQ units draw supply. Set up a conga line of HQ units all through China and up North and supply will follow


Only Command HQ's will draw an extra amount of supply.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/21/2017 12:10:41 PM   
Canoerebel


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Asia: Modest 4EB raid vs. Hokkaido. Situation satisfactory in Korea. Allies advancing in China.

The huge supply convoy is underway in the DEI.

With the diminution of Japanese carrier and combat capabilities in the last week, and with the supply now inbound to Korea, momentum is gathering. I think this is going to be the final push to auto-victory. Once the supply reaches Korea, it should take a month or maybe two, barring the wheels coming off.

I'll continue all other "ordinary course of business" matters just in case things don't work out as envisioned - the slow but steady move on Singapore, the pocketing and reduction of enemy stacks in China, and supply-line management throughout the Pacific. But I'll be surprised if the infrastructure (airfields and aircraft) and supply won't be sufficient to finish the drill.

What does John do with all the kamikazees he has and has never used? What about his carriers and combat ships? What about his army in Korea?






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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/22/2017 5:51:47 PM   
Canoerebel


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Asia: Allied position in Korea stable, as is desired pending Death Star's return. John is loading up the peninsula but doesn't seem to feel pressed for time.

Supply is flowing again in China, so that the Allies are receiving more points for bases. As a result, the lead has increased to 54,000. I need 19,000 more points for AV. That's the first time the need has dropped below 20k.

For the first time since it was brought to his attention many months ago, John wrote that he could "do another turn without issue." As I noted those months ago, that nearly always means no turn as issues will arise. Let's see.






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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/22/2017 7:01:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

HQ units draw supply. Set up a conga line of HQ units all through China and up North and supply will follow


I have experimented with conga lines (not made of HQ units) in my current game to good effect.

I had a siege going one hex north of Kukong and couldn't get supply to flow there down the rail from Wuchang.
I formed a conga line of base forces and construction units and the turn after the line was completed supply flowed.

I did the same thing after advancing to Tavoy from Moulmien. My stack besieging Tavoy couldn't get supply, despite a hoard sitting at Moulmien.
I formed a conga line and the turn after it completed supply flowed.

I am simultaneously besieging Bangkok with my stack there suffering for supply because I haven't yet formed a conga line between Ayuthia and Piss-on-you-Bloke (Pisanuloke).

I have become a firm believer in conga lines to ensure supply flow.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/22/2017 7:38:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		yup, takes a bit to prime the pump but as long as you keep sending it to Rangoon it will eventually flow forward. When the supply first hits China it takes long time before all those Chinese units fill out to 1943 squads but it's a whole different war after that. Interesting how it played out in this game. Johns line held....until it didn't..and then the collapse came quickly. I expect Japanese supply was not really deep enough for prolonged resistance but by 1944 it's hard for the Empire to keep everybody in good sushi

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/22/2017 9:02:41 PM   
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yup, takes a bit to prime the pump but as long as you keep sending it to Rangoon it will eventually flow forward. When the supply first hits China it takes long time before all those Chinese units fill out to 1943 squads but it's a whole different war after that. Interesting how it played out in this game. Johns line held....until it didn't..and then the collapse came quickly. I expect Japanese supply was not really deep enough for prolonged resistance but by 1944 it's hard for the Empire to keep everybody in good sushi

That's OK, I hear Cap Mandrake has the recipe for fish-head soup!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/22/2017 9:20:05 PM   
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Asia: Allies gaining momentum.

The Herd: Death Star, Mini Death Star and The Mega Herd should merge tomorrow or the day after near Ternate. I think they're about 10 days out of Korea. I do think this is the decisive, penultimate convoy of the game. If it gets through I think I have the means to achieve auto victory.






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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/25/2017 3:45:08 PM   
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DEI: The mega rendezvous took place today. Death Star and the Herd proceed NW at the best speed possible. The empties that detached yesterday mostly arrived at or near Boela.

Merry Christmas to all who celebrate the Holy Day or the holiday. Yesterday was a day for family. All our children are at home. After church, the five of us drove east, eating lunch on the way, and then joined my wife's extended family (making for 45 people) at the old house in the country. We do this every year, eating a big breakfast (including country ham) for dinner. Then the long drive back home in the dark of Christmas Eve. My family of five is particularly close. We homeschooled our children from the beginning and spent a lot of time on family activies, including trips across the country. We enjoy talking now about politics and religion and sports and funny memories of things we've experienced together. My great-aunt was fond of saying that hers was "a family complete." I've been most fortunate to experience that (and coming from a broken home in which that most assuredly was not the case, it's even more meaningful).

Blessings to all of you. I hope the holiday season is merry and festive and not too frantic. May you all enjoy family and/or good friends. The AE Forum is a nice place to spend some time with good people.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/25/2017 5:07:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maps of China: It would help if you hit the "W" key with your screen shots here. I like the details you post, but it would be more beneficial if they included hexside control.

Thanks~!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/25/2017 5:08:28 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/25/2017 5:14:18 PM   
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Korea: An IJ stack attacks and boots an Allied stack from a blocking position. This will force me to retire from Keijo and the base east of Gunzan in order to protect Gunzan. I didn't want that to happen - I preferred to begin from these places. But there's a chance that John will simply be sticking his head into a noose if he advances a massive army to Gunzan. It's going to be a close race between his army and Death Star's return. I think it's going to work out okay but I won't breathe easy until I know for sure.

China: Some similar things are ongoing in China, where John is advancing and has notions. He can accomplish some things in the short term, but I think long term he's going to weakend his army and expose it to destruction.

When Death Star returns with all that supply, Allied air power should become decisive in China and probably in Korea, though he's a bit better positioned to offer opposition there.

Death Star is about 55 hexes south of Gunzan - about nine days away. It'll probably takes John's units at least six days to reach Gunzan, perhaps meaningfully longer. I do think it's going to work out but I'll have to give this my full attention.





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