SuluSea
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You usually take everything you can that not "common" such as tables, chairs, and stuff - although if you have time and space, you strip everything.
Putting it back together, as I noted earlier, takes much longer than taking it apart. First priority always the precision equipment, then specialized equipment, tools, general machine shop stuff, supporting equipment, then everything else.
But it never goes like it suppose to. Some of the reasons are:
1)Like it or not, screws, bolts, rivets - all that stuff is actually important but no one thinks about most of the time. But lots of these break, get lost, mismatched, or just plain won't work. And in the case of big equipment, many times, these are custom not off the shelf stock. So they have to be remade from scratch unless the moldings were at the factory. The can really put a time delay on putting stuff back together - can't finish A so I can't start B as A has to be finished now what do I do with C and so on.
2)While operationally, the Russian could do well with primitive rr signal equipment (manpower=communications), based on my research, the lack of long range communication equipment really hurt them here. A lot of the trains ended up in the wrong place, over 300 of the smaller factories disappeared (read: didn't get to where they were suppose to but end up used by somebody else), and you have to sort stuff out, especially if its loaded in haste. Now, exactly where did this pipe go and what did it support? Interesting enough, in many cases the engineers are not as critical on this stuff as the maintenance staff. And pictures really really help.
3)Critical personal and critical equipment don't always match up. And, I suspect, in a large scale evacuation, this happened frequently, and its hard to put them back together. Especially if your not properly labeling things - what? did I hear cannon fire? just throw everything on the train and get out of here!
4) Last, the work conditions for the factory personal were terrible in the first winter based on the reports I reviewed. Tents, limited food, limited firewood, limited medical support, lighting was in very short supply, and so on. Several of the reports I read was that lighting - due to the lack of lack light bulbs and light bulb manufacturing equipment (not regarded as a top priority initially), delayed the "put it back together" work.
The Russian's evacuated the military installations, and did a very good job considering, but they paid a heavy price in people. And production. Like it or not, the lack of change in major upgrades to tanks was probably driven as much by the evacuation as by a strategic decision. It really hard to upgrade facilities when your rebuilding them in a hurry.
Don't know if any western country would have been willing to pay the human price.
Superb post . Along my line of thinking but much more eloquent than I could have put it.
I've spent the majority of my adult life in engineering and have seen projects held up because of missing parts, wrong parts and what not and could only imagine issues with plants/ machinery hastily being broken down quickly, under fire in some cases with the threat of death looming over the project by what would probably be less than skilled workers or whomever was in the neighborhood in some cases and thrown on a train, cart , carried or what have you and set up in another location some kind of delay being the norm.
Putting some thought in on this something fair may be a standard delay depending on how many hexes the factory is moved before the factory is up to speed and a die roll for a possible even longer than the quickest time possible.
Sorry Pelton for derailing your thread and since I have your ear, I nbjoy your AARs. Thanks and Happy Holidays!
< Message edited by SuluSea -- 12/28/2012 9:14:09 PM >
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