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Old School - 1/18/2013 3:23:15 AM

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Does anyone remember pre- WITP?

I remember this game back in the late 80's early 90's when you had a 5 1/4" floppy.

When the new machines came out you couldn't play it. I think that was 386/486

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 3:39:25 AM

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Gary Grigsby's Pacific War?

http://www.matrixgames.com/products/235/details/Pacific.War:.Matrix.Edition

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 5:21:54 AM

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Gary Grigsby's Pacific War?

Yep, just pulled it out of my ancient software cabinet. Opened the box for the first time in forever and it's got a deteriorating manual and a 720K 3.5 floppy. Fortunately my current system has more than the necessary 640K RAM, but it's sadly lacking in floppy drives of any variety.

Reading the system requirements was like stepping into the wayback machine:

"The game requires 2.5MB of hard disk space and can only be played on a hard drive. An EGA or higher color video system is also required. Note: FILES must be set to at least 20 in your CONFIG.SYS file. No change to BUFFERS is required."

Extra hilarious: There's handwritten sheets in there laying out the Allied set-up requirements. Oh.my.god.

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 5:31:28 AM

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You know something, I think it was Pacific War, but it was an earlier version than that if I recall.

I think Pacific War was out before GG got a hold of it. Just like Bombing of the Third Reich. I have a version before GG improved it.

I have been wanting to pick up WITP-AE for years but kept hearing about the negatives, which are basically time and complexity.

Finally made the buy for Christmas.

I'm still waiting to get use to processing a turn. What to do, what order, then what to look for.

Once I get the right combinations down I hope to get each turn down to 20 minutes or less. I can get a turn in about 5 to 10 minutes after the first turn of the day.

I remember Pacific War being one of the best games I ever bought.

Still haven't jumped into War in the East but I spent several months reading each thread.

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 5:31:30 AM

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You could just download a copy

http://www.matrixgames.com/products/235/details/Pacific.War:.Matrix.Edition

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 5:38:03 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000

Gary Grigsby's Pacific War?

Yep, just pulled it out of my ancient software cabinet. Opened the box for the first time in forever and it's got a deteriorating manual and a 720K 3.5 floppy. Fortunately my current system has more than the necessary 640K RAM, but it's sadly lacking in floppy drives of any variety.

Reading the system requirements was like stepping into the wayback machine:

"The game requires 2.5MB of hard disk space and can only be played on a hard drive. An EGA or higher color video system is also required. Note: FILES must be set to at least 20 in your CONFIG.SYS file. No change to BUFFERS is required."

Extra hilarious: There's handwritten sheets in there laying out the Allied set-up requirements. Oh.my.god.

If I remember correctly, the manual explained air combat. What the range means when you see it displayed in combat.

engaging range 5, range 3 etc.

The closer the range the better chances for a hit.

I hope I still have the manual. I'll have to look someday.

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 5:41:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: Razz

Does anyone remember pre- WITP?

I remember this game back in the late 80's early 90's when you had a 5 1/4" floppy.

When the new machines came out you couldn't play it. I think that was 386/486

I can go even further back to an old Apple IIe game produced by SSI in the early 80s. I no longer have it but I have just found this on YouTube. Just amazing wants out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u94NfFT4qN0

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 5:50:14 AM

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Another game which I still have is Sea Battle from Mattel on the Intellivision. :)

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 6:01:04 AM

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I can go even further back to an old Apple IIe game produced by SSI in the early 80s. I no longer have it but I have just found this on YouTube. Just amazing wants out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u94NfFT4qN0

Superb directing and awesome special effects! Would watch again.

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 11:08:03 AM

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I can go even further back to an old Apple IIe game produced by SSI in the early 80s. I no longer have it but I have just found this on YouTube. Just amazing wants out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u94NfFT4qN0

A friend of mine had SSI's GUADALCANAL (one of Grigsby's earliest), and we used to stay up all night playing it. Another (later but still old) game was WAR IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC, which I had for my Commodore 64/128 and which I believe was also an SSI product (not sure if it too was a Grigsby design).

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 12:29:24 PM

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I remember playing this on the good old C<64;

Happy days!!

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 12:39:01 PM

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I liked the Great Naval Battles volume that covered the South Pacific. I never could get any of the other games in the series to run.

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 1:01:11 PM

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Steel Panthers, Typhoon of Steel, Carriers at War- ahhh the memories.

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 1:09:14 PM

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Well, if you like retro game AARs, remember the good old Europe Ablaze, CAW and of course Gary's USAAF?

http://gefechtsstand.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/setup-and-first-observations/

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 1:16:05 PM

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Well, if you like retro game AARs, remember the good old Europe Ablaze, CAW and of course Gary's USAAF?

Klink, Oberst

Ahhh...USAAF. (nostalgic pause )...One of my favourites from the 80's.......

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 3:42:02 PM

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My two favorates were USAAF and Tigers in the Snow. I had USAAF for the Apple IIe and I had Tigers on the Atari. Man I spent many hours with those games. Tigers in the Snow was on a cassette tape that had to be loaded on the atari set each time before playing. It took about an hour IIRC.

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 4:45:14 PM

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I liked the Great Naval Battles volume that covered the South Pacific. I never could get any of the other games in the series to run.

Bill

Aye, Great Naval Battles - Guadalcanal

Fond & fun memories to this day.

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 5:16:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: Razz

Does anyone remember pre- WITP?

I remember this game back in the late 80's early 90's when you had a 5 1/4" floppy.

When the new machines came out you couldn't play it. I think that was 386/486

I played GGs Pacific War up until about a year ago. I think it was an early 90's program? I got it from an abandonware site called Home of the Underdogs, so there were no disks with it. It will not run under Windows 7 directly, but runs just fine using DosBox. As someone else pointed out, it is still available for free on the Matrix site.

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 5:24:23 PM

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I'm a youngin'. My Pacific War gaming experience began with PTO for the SNES, at which point I began to learn all about the places my dad talked about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.T.O.

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 5:28:17 PM

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I liked the Great Naval Battles volume that covered the South Pacific. I never could get any of the other games in the series to run.

Bill

Yep, the Great Naval Battles that covered the Guadalcanal campaign was excellent. Best part was that if you had an injured ship, you could devote hours to trying to save it. It just broke your heart to see the compartments filling up with water as you transferred your pumps back and forth trying to keep up. They then made two or three more larger games based on the same system that were all crap as they never worked. And they did not care much to fix them.

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 5:33:23 PM

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Epyx's "Sub Battles" was the first computer game that I bought. For my Leading Edge PC. My wife threatened to leave me because I was playing it so much. She is still here and I am still playing too much......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esUQIi9Qv7A

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 9:07:20 PM

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First Computer game I had was B1 Bomber.

The US wet dream of bombing the USSR.

We broke it because we found that you could fly the B1 at below sea level, devs didnt think of that!!, but the SAM & fighters couldnt attack you.

You had to "pop up" to bomb but you could hide again on the way home.

I think we played it 2-3 times and went back to board games.

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RE: Old School - 1/18/2013 10:55:27 PM

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Another game which I still have is Sea Battle from Mattel on the Intellivision. :)

Intellivision! First "computer" game I ever played.

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RE: Old School - 1/19/2013 1:43:45 AM

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I remember when I was in the Army and on CQ duty. I would ask the First Sergeant if I could bring my computer down to the CQ. He naturally said yes figuring I would be studying some sort of thing related to combat engineering. Once everyone was gone, I'd pop in "Computer Bismarck"!

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RE: Old School - 1/19/2013 1:59:11 AM

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A friend of my sister's was in the Air Force and assigned to a small radar site in California. He would volunteer for night duty because he could sit there and work on his model planes while "watching" the scopes. There rarely was anything of note. Mostly it was commercial traffic into the local Bay Area airports.

Though he did see something flying parallel to the coast one night that he calculated must be doing about mach 7. It was about 50 miles off the coast and flying at 70,000 feet. He assumes it was an SR-71. Or maybe it was some other top secret aircraft.

The site was on the flight path for Moffett Field, which was actively used by the Navy at the time. On the top of their water tank they painted a giant Air Force logo that said "Go Air Force". The only people who could see it were the Navy guys flying into Moffett.

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RE: Old School - 1/19/2013 7:32:46 AM

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Anyone remember IWO JIMA?
I once managed to beat it on hardest level, but I failed to win OKINAWA on two last hardest.
Not that, after mid-game you have anything, except artillery, after dealing with those 20 point bunkers.

DAMMIT, I wish Japan in WITP have such emplacement artillery range advantage, as in those games...

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RE: Old School - 1/19/2013 9:20:46 AM

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I liked the Great Naval Battles volume that covered the South Pacific. I never could get any of the other games in the series to run.

Bill

Aye, Great Naval Battles - Guadalcanal

Fond & fun memories to this day.

+1

Sold my Amiga and purchased my first PC when I found out about this game - and like crsutton spent hours on damage control

Can't remember any good strategy game on the Amiga (apart from Civ I).

Guadalcanal on the C64 must have been my earliest Pacific strategy game.

Guess that qualifies me for "Old School"?

But never had any board games - so I'm not "Stone Age"

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RE: Old School - 1/19/2013 11:08:50 AM

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I can go even further back to an old Apple IIe game produced by SSI in the early 80s. I no longer have it but I have just found this on YouTube. Just amazing wants out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u94NfFT4qN0

A friend of mine had SSI's GUADALCANAL (one of Grigsby's earliest), and we used to stay up all night playing it. Another (later but still old) game was WAR IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC, which I had for my Commodore 64/128 and which I believe was also an SSI product (not sure if it too was a Grigsby design).

Forgot that one, so did I again for the apple.

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RE: Old School - 1/19/2013 12:25:54 PM

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Remember "Midway" on the Spectrum 48K

Spent days on "Arnhem" in my teens, until we found out that massed Allied artillery battalions could destroy German troops with ease. No fun after that as it was always going to end in an Allied win.

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RE: Old School - 1/19/2013 2:39:12 PM

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I still play GNB II (Guadalcanal) occasionally. It works in the DosBox under XP (even the sound).

I found Pacific War in "Twenty Wargames", which I bought in Stockholm because of GNB III, which was a disappointment. Pacific War however was so good that I continued till Matrix Games appeared.

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