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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/13/2013 3:33:50 PM   
terje439


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Losing six Panzer Divisions and three SS Panzergrenadier Divisions, that's a bigger catastrophe than Bagration in Summer 1944. Well, I guess without those mobile reserves the entire Ostheer has to run westwards.


To lift Terje's spirits. Technicly neither 15th nor 25th SS was PzGrn divisions, but Grenadier divisions aka "normal" infantry formations.

Rasmus



Hehehehe yeah that made me feel MUCH better


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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/13/2013 3:34:22 PM   
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I think his spirit is good enough for a guy who just lost an entire army group's Panzer Divisions.



Well, atleast virtual Adolf cannot really execute me as he would irl


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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/13/2013 4:25:56 PM   
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Hehehehe yeah that made me feel MUCH better

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I knew it would

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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/14/2013 12:42:43 PM   
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Hehehehe yeah that made me feel MUCH better

Terje


I knew it would

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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/14/2013 12:47:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 146 aka do I have some sort of learning disorder?

Overall
There are a few rules of thumb in this game (I've learned in this game, that impassable, does not mean impassable), but I've done a big don't that I know is a big don't. I never learn....(see below)
20 USSR attacks result in 4 helds, 14 retreats and 2 routs. Our 4 attacks resulted in 2 helds and 2 retreats.
Our forces now are oh so weak. I need mud, and I need those rebuilding units activated so they can start digging at the Vistula.

Losses
USSR : 47.000 troops, 433 guns, 207 AFVs, 257 AC.
Axis : 34.000 troops, 588 guns, 111 AFVs, 81 AC.

German units destroyed
1/46th SP Flak Company

German units disbanded
3 fortified zones.

Partisans
We kill 8 out of 10.

German Pools
Manpower : 2.909
Vehicles : 160.775
Armaments : 42.898
Hiwi : 539






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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/14/2013 2:41:45 PM   
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As noob GHC Human versus Human, I was asking the forum how to handle with the blizzard...

I follow your advice, it was sound!


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I don't like sacrifying units


Then you will lose even more of them tbh.
If/when a unit gets cut off, you should sacrifice it imo, as trying to stand and extract it is likely to cost more units in the long run. It is imperative to realize when a unit is doomed and not worry about it.
Atleast that is my experience.


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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/14/2013 3:48:13 PM   
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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/15/2013 2:50:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		ouch, but then I recognise the temptation to try and rescue lost units and thus escalate the disaster. I lost a game of Russia Under Siege because I wouldn't let a trapped army just meet its fate, threw in scarcely ready stacks to try and redeem the situation etc ... you can guess where it all ended.

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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/16/2013 1:57:33 PM   
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You wrote this message to me 11/2/2012.

As noob GHC Human versus Human, I was asking the forum how to handle with the blizzard...

I follow your advice, it was sound!


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ORIGINAL: terje439


quote:

ORIGINAL: STEF78

I don't like sacrifying units


Then you will lose even more of them tbh.
If/when a unit gets cut off, you should sacrifice it imo, as trying to stand and extract it is likely to cost more units in the long run. It is imperative to realize when a unit is doomed and not worry about it.
Atleast that is my experience.




Hehe yeah, people should try to do as I say, not as I do
Nah, I really need to learn to heed my own advice.

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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/16/2013 1:57:52 PM   
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Holy s***! 4 SS Panzer Divisions, 4 regular Panzer Divisions, 3 Panzergrenadier Divisions and Großdeutschland isolated. Which of those did you lose in the end?


See below (wrong ones...)


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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/16/2013 1:58:18 PM   
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ouch, but then I recognise the temptation to try and rescue lost units and thus escalate the disaster. I lost a game of Russia Under Siege because I wouldn't let a trapped army just meet its fate, threw in scarcely ready stacks to try and redeem the situation etc ... you can guess where it all ended.



Pretty much the same as here I guess


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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/16/2013 2:04:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah yes - one of the principle rules of manoeuvre warfare - 'Don't reinforce failiure'

Other rules include - 'Exploit success' and 'Always have a reserve.'

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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/16/2013 2:05:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 147 aka I know I used to have some numbers in my pools....

Overall
Mud! Brown, thick, slick, oily mud. How sweet. By shortening the front I've been able to form a new Ad-Hoc AGC, but it does not really matter as the USSR is able to take out my level 3 forts stacked with 3 divisions with ease by now. Not sure I want to stand at the Vistula for too long, if I can manage to mid winter, that is overachieving.
37 USSR attacks resulted in 12 helds, 20 retreats, 1 rout, 1 shatter and 4 surrenders.

Losses
Off again...

German units destroyed
2nd SS, 5th SS, 5th, 7th and 16th Panzer Divisions.
18th, 20th and the Grossdeutchland PanzerGrenadier Divisions.
17th, 131st, 263rd Infantry Divisions.
226th, 244th, 245th, 259th, 904th StuG Brigades.
663rd, 664th Panzerjager Battalions.
752nd Pioneer Battalion.
1st, 2nd Lehr Pioneer Battalion.
5/31st, 4/46th, 6/46th, 3/66th SP Flak Company.
706th SP Infantry Gun Company.

German units disbanded
2P Air Base.

Partisans
1 remain after we kill 7.

German Pools
Manpower : 3.928
Vehicles : 158.620
Armaments : 0
Hiwi : 1.183






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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/16/2013 2:06:13 PM   
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Ah yes - one of the principle rules of manoeuvre warfare - 'Don't reinforce failiure'

Other rules include - 'Exploit success' and 'Always have a reserve.'


Not to forget, "gathered, not piecemeal"


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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/16/2013 2:12:37 PM   
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'Mud, mud, glorious mud, nothing quite like it for stemming the flood!'

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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/16/2013 10:08:35 PM   
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Overall
Not much happens in the mud, but the USSR does land some brigades behind the main line on the Black Sea Coast. No threat, and they should die next turn. The USSR does try to keep attacking, but to little result.
9 helds and 1 retreat for a total of 10 attacks is considered peaceful by us at this time. We did launch 2 attacks, scoring 1 held and 1 retreat on the amphibious brigades.

Losses
USSR : 54.000 troops, 350 guns, 110 AFVs, 195 AC.
Axis : 26.000 troops, 314 guns, 60 AFVs, 31 AC

German units disbanded
1 Fortified Zone.

Partisans
We kill 5, leaving 2 on the map.

Distance to Berlin
The USSR unit closest to Berlin is 53 hexes away.

German Pools
Manpower : 1.667
Vehicles : 157.163
Armaments : 3.582
Hiwi : 120







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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/17/2013 7:17:57 AM   
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Overall
Another quiet turn, but there are a few concerns. The USSR scores too many retreats considering the mud, and I have divisions with 4000 men in them...
12 USSR attacks scores 6 helds and 6 retreats. 50% is too high during mud. Our two attacks score 1 held and 1 retreat.
And as some has urged us to do for long, some of our tactical bombers have been converted to fighters (Bf109s and FW190As).

Losses
USSR : 47.000 troops, 414 guns, 117 AFVs, 173 AC.
Axis : 33.000 troops, 505 guns, 48 AFVs, 31 AC

Partisans
We kill 10, leaving 3 on the map.

German Pools
Manpower : 367
Vehicles : 156.947
Armaments : 28.430
Hiwi : 4







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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/17/2013 5:08:09 PM   
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Overall
At last the destroyed divisions have been released, and our trains ship as many as possible straight to the front.
We launched 3 attacks, scoring 1 held, 1 retreat and 1 surrender, while the USSR's 16 attacks ended with 10 helds and 6 retreats.

Losses
USSR : 55.000 troops, 512 guns, 127 AFVs, 239 AC.
Axis : 34.000 troops, 500 guns, 52 AFVs, 45 AC.

Total Losses
USSR : 6.340.000 troops, 119.623 guns, 33.889 AFVs, 41.103 AC.
Axis : 3.916.000 troops, 73.088 guns, 16.678 AFVs, 9.026 AC.

USSR units destroyed
1 Ski Brigade

German units disbanded
The 335th Infantry Division is merged into the 306th Infantry Division after the former was down to 1600 men.

Partisans
2 remain after we kill 3.

German Pools
Manpower : 224
Vehicles : 157.340
Armaments : 55.413
Hiwi : 3







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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/18/2013 9:48:43 AM   
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Overall
The weather clears in the south. This is not good. Not at all.
23 USSR attacks resulted in 16 helds, 1 scouted and 6 retreats, while our 5 attacks gave 3 retreats, 1 rout and 1 shatter this turn. The first three hexes are at fort level 2 at the Vistula, and another 3 expected to be at that level next turn.
We keep shipping units to AGC, and we pray the weather in the south turns bad again.

Losses
USSR : 58.000 troops, 607 guns, 167 AFVs, 242 AC.
Axis : 34.000 troops, 617 guns, 23 AFVs, 140 AC.

USSR units destroyed
1 Ski Brigade

German units destroyed
The 2/46th SP Flak Company is wiped out.

German units disbanded
The 254th Infantry Division is merged into the 7th Infantry Division.

Partisans
1 remain on the map after we kill off 3.

German Pools
Manpower : 3
Vehicles : 159.132
Armaments : 87.096
Hiwi : 8
Would not mind it if some of the factory workers joined the manpower pool at this time...







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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/18/2013 1:19:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Your pic from turn 147 of the destroyed forces is quite impressing, Terje.

But what's much more remarkable is your attitude; no whining, no nagging, no further delaying etc. - this did really good. :-)





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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/18/2013 11:40:36 PM   
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Your pic from turn 147 of the destroyed forces is quite impressing, Terje.

But what's much more remarkable is your attitude; no whining, no nagging, no further delaying etc. - this did really good. :-)



totally agree, and its always interesting to see an AAR from a side that is struggling. Tis hard to see the rest of 1944 as being anything but grim though that Vistula line should give you a valuable backstop


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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/19/2013 12:24:53 PM   
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Your pic from turn 147 of the destroyed forces is quite impressing, Terje.

But what's much more remarkable is your attitude; no whining, no nagging, no further delaying etc. - this did really good. :-)





Thank you
Although, what YOU guys get ofc is the family approved version. My keyboard might not agree with you at times
Tbh, I know that if I mess up (and I usually do), I will pay the price for it, but I'll take it. Nowadays I think the only thing that still really gets to me is the way CV is...hmm to say way off would be an understatement...at times


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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/19/2013 12:26:45 PM   
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totally agree, and its always interesting to see an AAR from a side that is struggling. Tis hard to see the rest of 1944 as being anything but grim though that Vistula line should give you a valuable backstop



Oh, my AARs should be good for seeing the struggling side
I doubt the Vistula will stop Sean long enough, the line is simply too long. From experience I should be able to hold just outside Berlin for some turns, but I think Sean will win this in the winter of -44/45. So, I will probably last shorter than irl Adolf


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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/19/2013 12:32:58 PM   
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Overall
Sean is doing too good a job beating up my weaker units, and this in turn costs me extra troops due to retreats. And my so-called line is not going to hold at all when mud is gone, so in 1 or 2 turns I will have to start walking backwards to avoid any more huge pockets being formed.
39 USSR attacks resulted in 27 helds (very good actually), 1 scouted (not sure I like these. "Chaaarge", oh, only parts of the division attacked. Well, we walk away with limited casualties". Not sure that is the way it would have worked out, but oh well) and 11 retreats. We launched all of 1 attack, scoring a retreat (hey, atleast we are still attacking ).

Losses
USSR : 70.000 troops, 850 guns, 202 AFVs, 272 AC.
Axis : 49.000 troops, 821 guns, 101 AFVs, 39 AC.
When it comes to my rather low amount of lost AFvs lately, that is ofc due to my panzers being in the West refitting.

German units disbanded
The 239th Infantry Division is merged into the 98th Infantry Division.

Partisans
We kill 5 out of a total of 7.

German Pools
Manpower : 8
Vehicles : 163.556
Armaments : 114.739
Hiwi : 3
(wow, those 8 guys will make Rambo look like a schoolgirl with all those weapons they will be equipped with )






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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/19/2013 1:17:08 PM   
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totally agree, and its always interesting to see an AAR from a side that is struggling. Tis hard to see the rest of 1944 as being anything but grim though that Vistula line should give you a valuable backstop



Oh, my AARs should be good for seeing the struggling side
I doubt the Vistula will stop Sean long enough, the line is simply too long. From experience I should be able to hold just outside Berlin for some turns, but I think Sean will win this in the winter of -44/45. So, I will probably last shorter than irl Adolf


Terje

Do not lose hope! The Western Allies will be crushed on the fields of Normandy and together with the new "Wunderwaffen" the Wehrmacht soon will resume the offence in Eastern direction.

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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/19/2013 1:53:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: loki100
totally agree, and its always interesting to see an AAR from a side that is struggling. Tis hard to see the rest of 1944 as being anything but grim though that Vistula line should give you a valuable backstop



Oh, my AARs should be good for seeing the struggling side
I doubt the Vistula will stop Sean long enough, the line is simply too long. From experience I should be able to hold just outside Berlin for some turns, but I think Sean will win this in the winter of -44/45. So, I will probably last shorter than irl Adolf


Terje

Do not lose hope! The Western Allies will be crushed on the fields of Normandy and together with the new "Wunderwaffen" the Wehrmacht soon will resume the offence in Eastern direction.





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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/19/2013 2:17:59 PM   
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Although, what YOU guys get ofc is the family approved version.




you made my day

Loki is correct, who cares about just another auto-apotheosis...^^
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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/20/2013 1:33:02 PM   
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Overall
With the mud most likely being gone next turn, and some of our units already in danger, and with our line broken in several places, we begin a slow retreat. The USSR made 20 attacks and scored 9 helds and 11 retreats (in mud! This shows the state of our divisions). We make no attacks whatsoever.

Losses
USSR : 55.000 troops, 531 guns, 159 AFVs, 246 AC.
Axis : 45.000 troops, 666 guns, 101 AFVs, 56 AC.

German units disbanded
3 Fortified Zones.

Partisans
We kill 6 out of a total of 7.

German Pools
Manpower : 1.958
Vehicles : 160.535
Armaments : 141.284
Hiwi : 430







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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/21/2013 12:00:18 PM   
terje439


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Overall
We keep falling back one hex more or less along the entire front, and try to move the Rumanians to the frontline to allow them to take the casualties. We launched no attacks, while the USSR scored 1 scouted, 1 retreat and 1 rout with their 3 attacks.

Losses
USSR : 29.000 troops, 47 guns, 61 AFVs, 146 AC.
Axis : 19.000 troops, 94 guns, 28 AFVs, 29 AC.

German units destroyed
The 1/540th SP Flak Company.

German units disbanded
23 Fortified Zones and FBD 1.

Partisans
2 remain after we kill off 5.

German Pools
Manpower : 29.238
Vehicles : 157.298
Armaments : 256.784
Hiwi : 6.959







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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63 - 8/21/2013 12:48:07 PM   
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presume from your list of disbands you have started to garrison your prepared rear lines?

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