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RE: Been ripped off - 4/5/2013 1:35:42 PM   
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Who bought porn? I didn't...never have done.
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Age old...age old...you bought porn on the internet with your debit card and now every porn site in the world has your debit card number. Good job slick. Honestly people, if you are going to buy porn get a money card from dollar general.



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RE: Been ripped off - 4/5/2013 2:26:38 PM   
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Debit cards are great for people who don't have the personal discipline to control their spending. Keeps them out of trouble. My credit card has no hidden fees or charges, as long as I pay my bill. It is very simple, don't charge more than you can afford. I know, I know personal responsibility is a relic of the past, and constant debt is the preferred state today, but that don't make credit cards evil.

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RE: Been ripped off - 4/5/2013 3:17:18 PM   
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Who bought porn? I didn't...never have done.


Let's see Wodin started the thread with

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LOGOWNER.COM was the people who dealt with the payments for a website called Free Life Time 3D anime..which turns out to be a porn website.


Perhaps even in 3D? That could be even more exciting than gaming.

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RE: Been ripped off - 4/5/2013 3:19:41 PM   
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Due to my tumour I've had no interest in porn or anyhting else like that for many years...

So no the card wasn't used to by porn..only thing are bills' food and the odd game...oh and pressies at Xmas.

Finally why would anyone buy porn on the net?? Surely there is enough of it online for free anyway?

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RE: Been ripped off - 4/5/2013 3:24:18 PM   
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Just having a little fun Wodin. Your post opened it up, but looked more like you may have accidentally got involved with a company that happened to be something other than they appeared.

By the Way, Clark Howard and other consumer advocates suggest that you should never use a debit card on the Internet.

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RE: Been ripped off - 4/5/2013 4:06:00 PM   
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Truth of the matter is in general most Americans do not pay off their bills monthly. Debit cards insure you don't ring up a huge bill and then can't pay it off.


You're right in that most Americans don't pay off their bills monthly. It's a pity that so many people live beyond their means. I think a big part of it is basic monetary / fiscal / economic education. Many people are completely snowed by the most basic aspects.

Re: debit cards ability to insure fiscal solvency: only in the sense that they don't let you charge up vast sums that you don't have. They certainly can, in conjunction with checks, cash and teller withdrawals, let you overdraft your account (and ring up huge fees). There's danger both ways.


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Every time you use your credit card every credit card company charges a fee to the retailer ....debit cards do not.


I don't think that's true, Rogo. If your debit card is branded as a Mastercard or Visa (almost all of them are), there's a fee paid somewhere along the chain. Whether that's the retailer to MC/V, your bank / S&L to MC/V or you to either of the aforementioned entities, someone's got to pay somewhere along the line.

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I would much rather invest in a bank in my hometown than send a check to some company in a large city who could care less who I am.


Meh. Most of the banks / S&Ls in my area are chains-TCF, Wells Fargo, USBank are common ones around these parts. There are some small S&Ls or local banking chains. Many of these got eaten in 2008-2009 with the bloodletting of the financial crash. I don't envy those people that had to deal with the FDIC to get their money / accounts straightened out when these little guys (and there were a lot of 'em around the country) went under. Sure, it can happen to the bigs too, but with much less frequency.

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As far as the IRA comment... Take the money you would spend on fee's and interest rates and put it into that. It cost me nothing to have a debit card. My debit card is accepted at every single your place your credit card is. It is safer, builds the same credit rating as a credit card.


I don't think it's safer, in terms of fraudulent activity. Please note the nature of the OPs instigating complaint. Debit card fraud is rampant and potentially devastating. I'd rather play with someone else's money than let them have unfettered access to mine, thanks.

If you pay off your CC monthly, you don't have any interest accumulating on your account. There are some CCs with annual fees-true-but many with no annual fees. For those where that's important, you can shop around. Those that are capable of understanding the limitations of CCs versus debit cards and have fiscal discipline, can take advantage of some of the nice rewards offered. Airline tickets, 'cash back' awards, and so on.

Re: funding an IRA-yes. That's a no brainer. One should be saving for retirement judiciously through a number of different vehicles (401(k); 403(b); IRA; Roth-IRA; SEP-IRA, etc.). One should also have ~6 months of emergency fund (liquid) available too. Car loans should be paid off tootsweet and kids should have money invested for their college education early and often. Home mortgages should be refinanced and converted to a fixed interest rate at a low APR and people older than 50 should look into buying long-term care insurance. All good common sense. But it doesn't address the debit vs. credit card argument.


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RE: Been ripped off - 4/5/2013 6:38:31 PM   
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I have worked in the grocery industry my whole life. While its true the debit card has a visa/master card symbols on it it's simply saying that you can use your card anywhere. Many small ma&pa shops simply can't afford the credit cards fees so its cash and check only. Many places like Walmart are set up as a debit purchase and you have to change it yourself to credit as you choose. Yes it's true not a big fan of credit cards no matter on how your state it its bad for America . Also when you write a check out now they take it straight out of your bank account and simply hand your check back to you. Welcome to the modern world chicken boy . And don't even get me stared on pre-paid credit cards!!! But this is America after all. Kudos to you that you have the discipline to use credit card responsible . While there is debit card fraud there is a lot more credit card fraud. If the OP used his credit card the same thing would have happened. Apples to oranges really.

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RE: Been ripped off - 4/5/2013 6:44:04 PM   
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The average cost every time you use your credit card cost right around 50 cents. It's more if you use American Express . To the retailer that is not the consumer . Seen those commercials where you can swipe a credit card on your smart phone and they say it will only charge you a very low 3.25% every time you use it? Now apply that to a retailer.

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RE: Been ripped off - 4/5/2013 10:05:29 PM   
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A fair few shops wont taken American Express..thats prob the reason why.

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RE: Been ripped off - 4/5/2013 10:21:32 PM   
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If the OP used his credit card the same thing would have happened. Apples to oranges really.


Well, is it the same thing or apples to oranges? I don't understand your point.

In any case, NO, the same thing would not have happened. The debit card fraud directly debited his bank account. He had to appeal to the company identified as the funds recipient to get his money put back in to his account.

If a credit card had been used, the fraudulent balance would have appeared on his CC bill / statement. He could then have taken it up with the CC company and they could have removed it from his balance. In no way would the CC company have pulled that money from his account. It was a fantasy (read: credit) balance with the card. Like I said-'playing with someone else's money'.

In a trip to Kazakhstan some years ago, I was the victim of credit card fraud from a store where I bought shoes. What should have been an affordable $25 pair of leather shoes was charged some $650. They switched receipts on me-handing me a receipt signed by someone else. I should have looked at the signature, but didn't.

When I returned home, I found the error and complained to the CC company when I saw the discrepancy on my statement. I sent them the fraudulent receipt and filled out the forms necessary. They were balky about writing off that much debt and hemmed and hawed about reversing the charge.

I didn't pay the bill and informed them that I would not pay for charges that were clearly fraudulent in nature. Full stop. If necessary, I would cancel my account and they could take me to court over these charges. Eventually they gave in and reversed the charge, but it took months.

Think they would have done anything if it was a debit transaction? 'Cuz I don't. They would already have had my money. They may have instructed me to deal with the vendor directly-like in Wodin's case-to get my money back. Think me calling up some Kazakh shoe store to accost them would have solved the trick? That's not my job-it's theirs as a credit company.

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RE: Been ripped off - 4/5/2013 10:34:23 PM   
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not a big fan of credit cards no matter on how your state it its bad for America .


Nonsense. It's like saying automobile loans or leases are bad for America. Or mortgages. Or home equity lines of credit. Or....

They're financial tools to ease payment for goods and services. They're different than the aforementioned financial tools. All are subject to abuse or overindulgence. All can get people into financial trouble if they're not careful. It's like saying claw hammers are bad for America whilest ball pean hammers are hunky dorey. It doesn't make any sense. Don't blame the tool-blame the user.

What's bad for America is people's sense of false entitlement, combined with a poor work ethic, spartan job skills and education and lack of financial sophistication. Hell, I'd even settle on basic financial education or understanding. Putting easy credit into these people's hands is fraught with peril. So I'd say that providing too many people that don't deserve it with easy credit is the problem. I blame the banks that approve users for these accounts that shouldn't be approving them.

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RE: Been ripped off - 4/5/2013 10:39:32 PM   
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The average cost every time you use your credit card cost right around 50 cents. It's more if you use American Express . To the retailer that is not the consumer . Seen those commercials where you can swipe a credit card on your smart phone and they say it will only charge you a very low 3.25% every time you use it? Now apply that to a retailer.


Yes. So? Take cash only. Watch what happens to your customer numbers when they find out that's your policy and that you don't accept the financial payment tools they most value.

"Welcome to modernity" rogo727. There will always be credit cards, it's just a cost of doing business.

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RE: Been ripped off - 4/6/2013 12:50:47 AM   
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Every year more and more people have civil judgments against them regarding credit cards than anything else in America. It's a very serious problem and no it's not nonsense. I can't explain every little thing to you. LOL how can a debit card get you into trouble? You lost me there. Your take on Debit cards is not the death to all you make it seem to be. You didn't even know that credit cards charge retailers high fee's and that the grocery industry have several lawsuits in progress against such standards. Again let me state I'm not a credit card fan. You are that's fine. Respect my opinion and I will respect yours.
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not a big fan of credit cards no matter on how your state it its bad for America .


Nonsense. It's like saying automobile loans or leases are bad for America. Or mortgages. Or home equity lines of credit. Or....

They're financial tools to ease payment for goods and services. They're different than the aforementioned financial tools. All are subject to abuse or overindulgence. All can get people into financial trouble if they're not careful. It's like saying claw hammers are bad for America whilest ball pean hammers are hunky dorey. It doesn't make any sense. Don't blame the tool-blame the user.

What's bad for America is people's sense of false entitlement, combined with a poor work ethic, spartan job skills and education and lack of financial sophistication. Hell, I'd even settle on basic financial education or understanding. Putting easy credit into these people's hands is fraught with peril. So I'd say that providing too many people that don't deserve it with easy credit is the problem. I blame the banks that approve users for these accounts that shouldn't be approving them.



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RE: Been ripped off - 4/6/2013 1:16:44 AM   
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You didn't even know that credit cards charge retailers high fee's and that the grocery industry have several lawsuits in progress against such standards.


Sure I knew that. It's just that, as a consumer, I couldn't possibly care less.

Retailers have to dance to the tune of the credit card companies. That's the nature of that relationship. Retailers don't like it-I get that. But railing against the financial machine is unlikely to get you guys anywhere.

It's free enterprise-if you think the cc companies are charging you usurious fees, you disenroll. Sure, you'll be killing yourselves to make the point (no one will shop there) against the cc companies, but there's nothing keeping you tethered to 'em.

Anyways, debit card transactions cost *someone* somewhere something. See this for a brief breakdown of the debit card online vs. offline fee structure.

http://banking.about.com/od/checkingaccounts/a/debitvscredit.htm

Gee, what a surprise (not)! Retailers *do* pony up for the fee for online (where they punch in their PIN) transactions. But it's cheaper than the 2% charge for credit cards. Banks pay more of the transaction fees for the debit transactions, so they'll entice you to use credit cards.

So, retailers (such as yourself) are vested in their interests of getting consumers to use debit cards. Banks prefer consumers use credit cards. As a consumer, both banks and retailers can go hang-I'll choose which suits my means at the time.

With all due respect, rogo727, I don't think you're taking a very objective stance here. Your arguments to others here for exclusive use of debit cards is pretty self-serving, based upon your affiliation with a retail grocery group.

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RE: Been ripped off - 4/6/2013 1:36:29 AM   
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To be frank though Chickenboy I'd rather give the local grocery shop a helping hand than a bank.

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RE: Been ripped off - 4/6/2013 2:51:25 AM   
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To be frank though Chickenboy I'd rather give the local grocery shop a helping hand than a bank.

I totally get that, mate. Provided you know the trade off and risks assumed by yourself. Once you're informed, then it's all about your choice.

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RE: Been ripped off - 4/7/2013 12:39:38 AM   
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To set the record straight I never said don't use credit cards. I said it's silly to have multiple credit cards. Like I said I have one that I only use on vacation. If you worked in retail you would understand that it's a huge fee that cut's into your bottom line.
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With all due respect, rogo727, I don't think you're taking a very objective stance here. Your arguments to others here for exclusive use of debit cards is pretty self-serving, based upon your affiliation with a retail grocery group.



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RE: Been ripped off - 4/7/2013 4:06:43 AM   
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Due to my tumour I've had no interest in porn or anyhting else like that for many years...

So no the card wasn't used to by porn..only thing are bills' food and the odd game...oh and pressies at Xmas.

Finally why would anyone buy porn on the net?? Surely there is enough of it online for free anyway?


lol how would you know there is enough of it online for free Wodin? hehe heeeeeee

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RE: Been ripped off - 4/7/2013 4:10:28 AM   
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Even someone who has never even used a PC or gone online knows that.

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RE: Been ripped off - 4/14/2013 3:39:53 AM   
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though the press tries to push that online is the issues, studies seem to say that most cards numbers are stolen at retail still.

had 30k charged to my amex one month.

as wife is at National Lab, had to report it there and FBI were on hand when they landed, they bought airline tickets.
was traced back to a store I used it at in Santa Fe.

but good luck, always a pain having to clear it up.

Amex pulled the charges, asked for written letter, and took care of it for us, plus the reports to lab security.

But you have to watch and catch it.

Good Luck,
Lee

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RE: Been ripped off - 4/14/2013 6:26:10 PM   
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Every year more and more people have civil judgments against them regarding credit cards than anything else in America.


That's only because people are ignorant and scared of the big bad wolf. Many don't know they can just file a chapter 13 and absolve themselves of 99% of all of that debt. Especially signature debt. The creditors take the loss and the debtor walks away scott free in most cases except for lawyers fees of about $1200 or so. I listend to a bankruptcy case of value of $92,000 and the debtor walked away from it all owing nobody nothing. Of course I shook my head but there you are. Signature debt is the easiest debt to get out of. (Signature debt is usually credit card debt where they just kept rasing the value and the debtor just kept abusing it). This particular person was getting new credit cards to pay old credit card minimum payments and his credit limit just kept going higher and higher until they all finally stopped giving him any. That's when it all caught up to the debtor.

What's funny is there really aren't any debtors prisions anymore but what they are calling debtors prisons today are those that "don't repond or appear in those civil judgement cases". Those are the idiots an uninformed. They are so scared they are going to jail they end up going to jail anyways for not appearing. lmao Some new loophole rule that's being imposed now for not appearing or at least submitting a response letter.

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RE: Been ripped off - 4/14/2013 9:10:30 PM   
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As of last year, you can no longer state credit card dept in bankruptcy court. Some states like New York already had this in place. I have to say I agree with this.
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Every year more and more people have civil judgments against them regarding credit cards than anything else in America.


That's only because people are ignorant and scared of the big bad wolf. Many don't know they can just file a chapter 13 and absolve themselves of 99% of all of that debt. Especially signature debt. The creditors take the loss and the debtor walks away scott free in most cases except for lawyers fees of about $1200 or so. I listend to a bankruptcy case of value of $92,000 and the debtor walked away from it all owing nobody nothing. Of course I shook my head but there you are. Signature debt is the easiest debt to get out of. (Signature debt is usually credit card debt where they just kept rasing the value and the debtor just kept abusing it). This particular person was getting new credit cards to pay old credit card minimum payments and his credit limit just kept going higher and higher until they all finally stopped giving him any. That's when it all caught up to the debtor.

What's funny is there really aren't any debtors prisions anymore but what they are calling debtors prisons today are those that "don't repond or appear in those civil judgement cases". Those are the idiots an uninformed. They are so scared they are going to jail they end up going to jail anyways for not appearing. lmao Some new loophole rule that's being imposed now for not appearing or at least submitting a response letter.



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RE: Been ripped off - 4/14/2013 9:55:44 PM   
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If the banks are stupid enough to keep giving out the money then I have no sympathy for them..though I have no sympathy for banks or bankers anyway. In the UK bankruptcy is all debt..they just can't get credit again for 10 years including a mortgage.

Thankfully we don't live in an age where there are debtors prisons. Also in the UK you can't get put in prison for not turning up to a hearing as it's a civil offence not a criminal one.

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