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ORIGINAL: Alfred
Why do I even bother to do the research and post the primary material when people can't be bothered to do the work themselves or read CLOSELY, not read into what I write their own interpretation. I spent over 6 hours on Saturday researching the various answers before I posted to several threads. Today, just on this single thread I spent 2 hours researching the topic before selecting the most comprehensive single thread on the subject.[sm=00000018.gif
Coordination is only available to synchronise multi bomber and their escorts from one/several airfields to strike the enemy at the same spot. Any other aircraft groups on different mission profiles may co-operate sufficiently that they appear over a target close to each other. This may look as coordination but it is not.
When a dev says sweeps do not coordinate, what part of the message from the dev is unclear. When I retrieve the answers there are too many more interested in the opportunity to find offense in my posts or contradict me, rather than thinking through what I provide on my own time.
And no, before some smart alec wants to accuse me of just playing with semantics, there is a difference between "coordination" and "cooperation". In the former the code, as stated by theElf in 2009, once it realises the player wants to create a coordinated strike package it attempts to do so. But the player must utilise that key otherwise there is no possibility of coordination only at best some cooperation. Everything else which players are told is necessary to get "coordination" (for which the link I gave is invaluable) is required in order to facilitate, in a 0,1 virtual world the "physical" arrival of the aircraft. With "cooperation" there is no similar trigger key. Which is why it is rarer to witness cooperation.
Sure it is possible for players to anecdotally witness 150 fighters arriving over the target. They did well with the factors necessary to facilitate their "physical" arrival but that is not coordination which is favoured by the code provided the trigger is set and it is "physically" possible in the virtual world.
So the next person who wants to find fault with me is really complaining about the devs. I doubt too many will undertake the requisite research or think through the issues. Far easier to attack me publicly on the forum, or privately via PM/email which allows them to say things which would get them banned from the forum.
Alfred
Again, many thanks for your efforts. I did not realize the difference between the two different operations as in your actual first post you didn't mention two terms, and I was traveling so didn't have the time to read through the thread that was linked.
Providing contradictory information is not a personal attack, however, especially if based on solid evidence and presented in an objective manner. While I didn't provide combat reports or other evidence, it is all in the AAR if someone cares to look, and is probably in my opponent's AAR as well. The interest is that this provides a pretty clear advantage when it happens, as the fighters do overwhelm the defenders with those numbers, however rarely it may occur.
The OP was concerned mostly with sweeps getting over the base with many groups arriving at once, so I was trying to encourage him that it could happen, while tempering that with the information I've learned based on game play that it is fairly rare. I guess that could be anecdote, but much of the information is necessarily anecdotal on this forum. We have to share experiences if we want to learn. The manual and the developers can tell us a lot, but to me it's much more interesting to learn about these particulars with the addition of actual game play examples.
While it may be much more rare to see 'co-operation' with sweeping groups it can happen, which is really the point. Hopefully by stating that it can happen this thread continued to generate interesting ideas and other players were able to pitch in to provide examples whether I used the wrong descriptor or not. Sometimes after your authoritative posts some may feel 'the case is closed' and not offer other information. There is usually still more to learn, and as it turned out in this case, more to be interpreted. If several of us hadn't chipped in to give our little anecdotes maybe you wouldn't have been able to explain the difference between the 'coordination' and 'cooperation' which I at least found quite interesting.
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