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RE: The Lost Battles are coming! - 5/7/2013 8:35:09 AM

Michael T

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Yes that would have ended in Apr 42 with SD VC.

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RE: The Lost Battles are coming! - 5/7/2013 4:42:45 PM

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Yes this Soviet runaway strategy needs to be rubbed out. I am thinking of a HR that prevents evac of IND from key cities before a certain date might work. So if you run too far too soon you loose all Tula, Stalino, Kharkov IND. So you need to fight fight further forward to save the IND. But you will loose more units doing so.

I agree with the Guru and Michael T: something must, if not prevent, at least penalize the soviets from giving up their cities without a serious fight.

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RE: The Lost Battles are coming! - 5/7/2013 5:57:02 PM

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Soviet summer 41 runaways cannot be fixed in a vacuum. The opening turn must also be fixed. MT himself has repeatedly demonstrated that a forward Soviet defense is impossible against high level Axis play. The runaways have developed as a response to highly optimized openings which dramatically accelerate the Axis offensive. Quite simply, so long as SW Front evaporates on turn 1, you're going to keep seeing runaways. It's impossible to hold the Dnepr much past turn 5. Note that Kiev historically fell in September of 41.

The various other checks are fine because the situation has stabilized by then.

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RE: The Lost Battles are coming! - 5/7/2013 7:37:46 PM

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Soviet summer 41 runaways cannot be fixed in a vacuum.

A little variation in the setup would do it. Moving units around is one option. Another is throwing in a random 120% morale boost-particularly in AGS reserve units. I did not even try the Lvov opening after boosting the Soviet AI morale to 119%. AGC was able to repeat it's historical accomplishments at Soviet 119% morale.

My preference is a little complex - an absolute cap on morale for a newly created unit at say 5% below national morale until it has participated in at least X combats (5?). A greater role for experience in CV vis-a-vis morale and allowing experience to grow above morale.

Of course, all of this is moot in the face of the absurd first winter rules.

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RE: The Lost Battles are coming! - 5/7/2013 9:10:46 PM

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I won't defend the first winter rules. But those too are going to be hard to fix in a vacuum and depend on other game systems being revised.

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RE: The Lost Battles are coming! - 5/7/2013 10:50:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000

Are there any on-going AARs that would have ended already under these rules? I wonder in particular about the Michael T/Pelton grudge match.

You play by the rulesets you start the game under.

I will only play the 41-45 SD now, easyer for SHC to get a SD win then GHC.

For GHC its all about Moscow really, but thats probably not far off from wht would have happened if Germany rolled Moscow in 41 or 42.

I thk what we have now for wite is basicly it until wite2 or some major issue.

We simply have to play by the ruleset and wait on wite2 and witw

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RE: The Lost Battles are coming! - 5/7/2013 10:55:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: Michael T

Yes that would have ended in Apr 42 with SD VC.

As you know MT that game had more to do with the 43-45 issue then fun for both of us, but it did its job and finally revieled the conversion issue( with the help of 3 amigos).

Sorry for using you as a lab rat, but you were the biggest rat

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RE: The Lost Battles are coming! - 5/7/2013 11:16:41 PM

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I entered the game under the presumption it was a contest. After I nailed you, you claim it was some experiment. Well whatever it was I suggest in future you have the common courtesy to inform your opponent whether you are playing a game or running a test prior to accepting the challenge.

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RE: The Lost Battles are coming! - 5/8/2013 4:54:23 AM

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Life is a well of joy.

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RE: The Lost Battles are coming! - 5/8/2013 8:37:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: Michael T

I entered the game under the presumption it was a contest. After I nailed you, you claim it was some experiment. Well whatever it was I suggest in future you have the common courtesy to inform your opponent whether you are playing a game or running a test prior to accepting the challenge.

I approve of this response, which contains a proper level of snarkiness.

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RE: The Lost Battles are coming! - 5/8/2013 3:07:21 PM

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Yes this Soviet runaway strategy needs to be rubbed out.

Am I correct in understanding that the soviet player doesn't receive historical numbers (in men and divisions) of reinforcements in '41?
I thought I'd read that somewhere on this forum, but I don't know the actual numbers.

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RE: The Lost Battles are coming! - 5/8/2013 3:23:27 PM

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I have also seen such comments. Also, Soviet player is unable to rebuild his army (post-41) if lots of his units are destroyed due to unreasonably high AP costs (so-called AP crunch). And they were set to high, probably because there is too much men and armaments produced, so if the Soviet runs away and saves units, he could build ahistorically large army. This is all connected, so if you will make Soviets fight forward, the AP costs need to go down. And if they go down, then manpower and armaments need a fix too. Which means balancing has to start from scratch, which at this late point is undoable.

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RE: The Lost Battles are coming! - 5/16/2013 4:59:07 PM

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