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Moving Aircraft Between Groups - 6/15/2013 12:11:49 PM   
Eambar


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Status: offline 		I have read in several AAR's that when setting up a pilot training program lesser capable aircraft should be swapped into those units conducting the training and front line units should have the best aircraft.

How do you change the aircraft type/model between groups?

I've moved hundreds of pilots around but can't work out the planes.

Playing as the Allies if it makes a difference.

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RE: Moving Aircraft Between Groups - 6/15/2013 12:50:25 PM   
CowboyRonin


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Status: offline 		It's part of the Upgrade function. When you started the game, one of the setting was Player Defined Upgrades ON or OFF. Player Defined Upgrades (which you will usually see as PDU in the forums) means that you can choose what aircraft to "upgrade" a unit to ("upgrade" because PDU ON allows changes that are more appropriately seen as downgrades). You have to have Upgrade set to "Allowed", and then you will see the Upgrade To line for the group light up. If you're playing with PDU ON, that will be a link that allows you to select what the "upgrade" is, and then, if you meet the requirements, the "Upgrade Now" button will be active (or you can wait for the end of the turn and the upgrade will happen automatically). The requirements are a pretty big AirField and lots of supply, so this can't happen just anywhere.

The ability to make these changes is one big reason that you see so many AARs where PDU is ON. Now, this is actually bigger for Japan, as it allows them to streamline their production much more, but it does help you be more efficient with where your best fighter are.

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RE: Moving Aircraft Between Groups - 6/15/2013 12:59:23 PM   
HexHead

 

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lesser capable aircraft should be swapped into those units conducting the training and front line units should have the best aircraft

OK, the basics: a/c come in Groups. Each Group flies the same exact model. Models can be Upgraded to other, presumably better, models. I am very unsure about 'swapped into' - you cannot trade individual a/c around, etc. The Group Upgrades, as a Group, period. That's it, no 'swapping', AFAIK.

The other two points seem to be concerned with this, also. Again, one does not manage planes individually - one manages Groups.

Here's an approach:

* Some US Groups HQs are 'greyed out' - you cannot change these HQs and these are Restricted HQs, so they can never leave the North American continent, you cannot use PP to change the HQ to an unrestricted one.

* I use these as 'training' Groups. They do not get Upgrades, because they're just initial training. Every month or six weeks, I "Release Pilots" from these and put them in "Reserve". There are buttons and controls to do this. I release the 5 Most Experienced, or 10 Most Experienced - choices available.

*Your front-line Groups most probably are the ones you want to keep Upgraded and with your better Pilots.

Just a rough outline; hope it helps.

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RE: Moving Aircraft Between Groups - 6/15/2013 2:00:26 PM   
Eambar


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Status: offline 		Hi Cowboy Ronin, Hexhead - Thanks for the very quick replies. I think I understand now that it is linked to the upgrades.

I'll give an example of what I thought was possible and how I now understand it to work -

I have 1st PG/27th PS in the USA set up a training group. Pilots needing training have been moved in, any decent ones are out. They fly P-38E's.

15th PG/45th PS is a front line unit in Pearl Harbour, they've got some of the best pilots I have but they fly P-36A Mohawks.

I thought it was possible someway to move the aircraft between the groups - put the P-38's into Pearl and move the P-36's to be trainers.

I understand now that it doesn't work that way - I change aircraft via the Upgrade button, and when I click to upgrade the 15th PG they upgrade to P-40E, except there is a (0) beside the P-40E because the factories haven't produced enough for the pool yet, or I can withdraw/disband a group and its planes will go into the pool, to be used by another group. If I have PDU on, then I will get more than just the one aircraft type to Upgrade to.

Have I got it right?

I've found the whole initial pilot training set-up to be quite an interesting exercise, and I have hundreds of pilots moving around the theatres over the next week.

Cheers


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RE: Moving Aircraft Between Groups - 6/15/2013 5:24:51 PM   
Justus2


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ORIGINAL: Doggie3

Hi Cowboy Ronin, Hexhead - Thanks for the very quick replies. I think I understand now that it is linked to the upgrades.

I'll give an example of what I thought was possible and how I now understand it to work -

I have 1st PG/27th PS in the USA set up a training group. Pilots needing training have been moved in, any decent ones are out. They fly P-38E's.

15th PG/45th PS is a front line unit in Pearl Harbour, they've got some of the best pilots I have but they fly P-36A Mohawks.

I thought it was possible someway to move the aircraft between the groups - put the P-38's into Pearl and move the P-36's to be trainers.

I understand now that it doesn't work that way - I change aircraft via the Upgrade button, and when I click to upgrade the 15th PG they upgrade to P-40E, except there is a (0) beside the P-40E because the factories haven't produced enough for the pool yet, or I can withdraw/disband a group and its planes will go into the pool, to be used by another group. If I have PDU on, then I will get more than just the one aircraft type to Upgrade to.

Have I got it right?

I've found the whole initial pilot training set-up to be quite an interesting exercise, and I have hundreds of pilots moving around the theatres over the next week.

Cheers




To clarify on the upgrade part, in your example, if PDU is ON, then you will have the option to change the 1st/27th PG unit to 'upgrade' to the P-36A, instead of the P-40E. After the squadron upgrades, those P-38s will flow into the pool, and you can then upgrade your 15th/45th unit to the P-38s.

*Note, because the 1st/27th PG is a Restricted squadron, and set to withdraw at a certain date (see the upper left side of the group screen), you can only upgrade once you have the full complement (25 P-36As) in the pool. For non-withdrawing groups, you can upgrade as long as you have at least one in the pool. As a practical matter, I usually disband a group or two of P-36s (I think there are some unrestricted groups in SF at the start), so their P36s go into the pool and provide the 'starting capital' of old aircraft, to then start the cascade of upgrades. Those squadrons you disband will then return (empty) in a few months and you can fill them with new production.

You can do similar things with the VMFs that you get in the first couple days that have F4F-3s, upgrade them to the F2A3s to free up F4F-3s for your carriers.

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RE: Moving Aircraft Between Groups - 6/15/2013 5:30:53 PM   
HexHead

 

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Status: offline 		Dem's some good tips there.

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RE: Moving Aircraft Between Groups - 6/15/2013 5:37:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		well, firstly you must allways downgrade unit you want first, since here is delay (up to 1 month IIRC) until planes are avaivable again in pool to be used (depenñs on base size, distance from mainbases etc). You can find info yout delay in OP report.
Once they are in pool again you can use them to upgrade another groups.

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RE: Moving Aircraft Between Groups - 6/15/2013 5:42:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: czert2

well, firstly you must allways downgrade unit you want first, since here is delay (up to 1 month IIRC) until planes are avaivable again in pool to be used (depenñs on base size, distance from mainbases etc). You can find info yout delay in OP report.
Once they are in pool again you can use them to upgrade another groups.


True, but a couple tips to reduce the delay:

If you downgrade or disband at national base (ie San Francisco for US), they seem to go into pool immediately. I will sometimes move squadrons to SF to make the moves to speed the process.

If you disband, at a base that has another squadron with the same aircraft, you will have the option (or sometimes it is automatic) for those aircraft to go directly into the other squadron, rather than into the pool first.

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RE: Moving Aircraft Between Groups - 6/15/2013 7:47:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't read carefully, but in case no one else mentioned, If you downgrade in a major airbase with plenty of support you will usually get a "upgrade now" option. This allows you to upgrade/downgrade using the planes available in the pools, even if that number is less than the complement of your group. When training groups are concerned, this doesn't bother me when I'm short of aircraft of all models. The unit will train somewhat slower, but will train.

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RE: Moving Aircraft Between Groups - 6/16/2013 3:46:12 AM   
Eambar


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Status: offline 		Thanks for the replies, everything seems to be working OK.

Now back to the war!

Cheers

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