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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/8/2014 5:08:09 PM

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The intel screen is really depressing....

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/8/2014 5:16:54 PM

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/8/2014 7:45:41 PM

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mr.Kane has told me he still produces 28k supplies per day...[

That just correlates to the fact you haven't hit any of supply production in the HI ... you already knew what his daily supply production was. You also know he is burning more than that on most days, and has been pretty much the entire game. The real question is what is his supply pool look like? And when/how are you going to start killing his production?

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/8/2014 7:50:52 PM

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Here you can see the situation... Singapore may be completely cut off the war now...
Palembang is already isolated since august 1944...

If he was throwing 1000 plane sweeps at you out of Singers, you know he has a lot of Air Support there that is nowout of play. That is a big deal for you. Bypassing Sngers is the right play for you. Build up Soerbaya ... it only takes supply which you have tons of, until you can get either Manila or HK.

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/8/2014 8:08:23 PM

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Pax, have you seen the Ki-94 already or is this suggestion coming from just looking at the stats? The armament works perfectly in the game, both against fighters and bombers. It's not like that 40mm cannon of the Tojo that got an accuracy of 2 which really makes it useless.
I have played around with late war models to see what they can do and I can assure you, the only downside of the late war IJ aircraft is their crappy service value which all high end IJ aircraft got. Coupled with the abilitiy to pump out roughly 200/month of each high end
model you need the IJ outperforms Allied fighters for sure if you completely leave out their service value.

But then, most people won't ever see these aircraft as it needs insane R&D and then you still have to get to around 45 to see them AND you still have to have an industry then to build them. All together not the norm.

Played with it in Armageddon and Downfall scenarios. IMO, it can't hold up against the P47, let alone the P51 at 1:1. Now, if you let the IJ sweep you at 3:1 yes it will rip you right up, but then again so will Franks and Georges at that ratio.

But then I have to ask the allied player: what are you doing within 10 hexes of a major IJ base? I would never give the IJ the opportunity to sweep after 3/43 ... simply stay out of his range unless you are setting a major CAP trap ... and if you do, bring the hammer. Numbers matter, even more than plane quality (within reason).

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/9/2014 4:35:35 PM

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Pax, have you seen the Ki-94 already or is this suggestion coming from just looking at the stats? The armament works perfectly in the game, both against fighters and bombers. It's not like that 40mm cannon of the Tojo that got an accuracy of 2 which really makes it useless.
I have played around with late war models to see what they can do and I can assure you, the only downside of the late war IJ aircraft is their crappy service value which all high end IJ aircraft got. Coupled with the abilitiy to pump out roughly 200/month of each high end
model you need the IJ outperforms Allied fighters for sure if you completely leave out their service value.

But then, most people won't ever see these aircraft as it needs insane R&D and then you still have to get to around 45 to see them AND you still have to have an industry then to build them. All together not the norm.

Played with it in Armageddon and Downfall scenarios. IMO, it can't hold up against the P47, let alone the P51 at 1:1. Now, if you let the IJ sweep you at 3:1 yes it will rip you right up, but then again so will Franks and Georges at that ratio.

But then I have to ask the allied player: what are you doing within 10 hexes of a major IJ base? I would never give the IJ the opportunity to sweep after 3/43 ... simply stay out of his range unless you are setting a major CAP trap ... and if you do, bring the hammer. Numbers matter, even more than plane quality (within reason).

I was only referring to your comment about the armament and the 30mm not being worth it while they work just fine for me.

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/12/2014 11:34:05 AM

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Jan 4-9, 1945

Singawang is captured with little opposition. Now Kuchin will be invaded.
Java now is completely cut off. The attack against Bandoeng was bloody and it caused us 300 losses in 3 days

...but at least the AF was completely shut down and now the Japs do not have any other operative AF nearby.
In Malaya the Japs are abandoning Kotha Baru using ships... the 1st Tank Division, along with 2 more divisions have successfully been transferred to Luzon

. We deliberate attacked yesterday, finding 7 forts and 900 AVs

He swept Makassar with Ki-94s... I had 75 P-51s on CAP at 41,900 feet...100% CAP and low fatigue... result? ...25 P-51s shot down against only 4 KI-94s...ouch

I'm losing badly the air war... and I don't see a way to solve the problem (and, the funny part, is that I considered myself pretty good at managing the air system

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Burma has been abandoned by the Japs. They already left Moulmein...probably moving all their perimeter back to Thailand. Even in Central China they are moving back towards Canton...and I allowed my units (both Burmese and Chinese) to advance and follow the japs

Nothing much else is happening... Singapore should now be cut off, along with Java.

Luzon is more than a fortress... I count not less than 15 divisions there...

and the recent experience in Java against his forts makes me really sweat to the idea of invading there...

Still no sign of the KB...

Morning Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 51,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-94-II x 44

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 17
P-51D Mustang x 72
F4U-1D Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-94-II: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 4 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 13 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 6 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-94-II sweeping at 48000 feet *

CAP engaged:
VMF-121 with F4U-1D Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
15 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 40370.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
18th FG/44th FS with P-51D Mustang (4 airborne, 1 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 16 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41900 , scrambling fighters between 38870 and 42370.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
318th FG/333rd FS with P-51D Mustang (3 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
11 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41900 , scrambling fighters between 38340 and 41900.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
475th FG/431st FS with P-38L Lightning (3 airborne, 1 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 8 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 40000 , scrambling fighters between 36000 and 43370.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
475th FG/433rd FS with P-51D Mustang (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41900 , scrambling fighters between 33000 and 41900.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes

Ground combat at Djokjakarta (52,103) (JAVA)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 30270 troops, 555 guns, 418 vehicles, Assault Value = 1150

Defending force 59889 troops, 247 guns, 109 vehicles, Assault Value = 449

Allied adjusted assault: 398

Japanese adjusted defense: 2211

Allied assault odds: 1 to 5 (fort level 6)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
295 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

Allied ground losses:
784 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 132 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled

Assaulting units:
4th Armoured Brigade
33rd Infantry Division
6th Infantry Division
1st Australian Division
Fiji Brigade
2/11th Field Regiment
II Australian
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
7th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
181st Field Artillery Battalion
1st RAA Jungle Regiment

Defending units:
24th Ind.Mixed Brigade
103rd Division
37th Ind.Mixed Brigade
23rd Port Unit
72nd JAAF AF Bn
21th JNAF AF Unit
108th JAAF AF Bn
97th JAAF AF Bn
32nd Port Unit
23rd Port Unit
2nd JNAF Coy
Southwest Area Fleet
32nd Port Unit
8th JNAF Coy
109th JAAF AF Bn

These japs are battered units...pushed back from Sosarbaja...bombed every day with no mercy...with the wrong op mode...and yet look at the result...and the damned forts...everywhere forts!!!!

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/12/2014 11:38:04 AM

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mr.Kane has told me he still produces 28k supplies per day...[

That just correlates to the fact you haven't hit any of supply production in the HI ... you already knew what his daily supply production was. You also know he is burning more than that on most days, and has been pretty much the entire game. The real question is what is his supply pool look like? And when/how are you going to start killing his production?

There's no way I can start anytime soon to kill his supply production...It's still a looong way to Tokyo...the KB is still intact and his defences are strong everywhere in the next perimeter (Formosa-Luzon-Mindanao)...
I still need to conquest Borneo before I can think of an operation to estabilish a base for my 4Es close enough to the HI...yet, even if I do, I've already experienced that I cannot hope to bomb his bases unless I'm able to naval bomb them first. My fighters cannot compete with his own and I have not the numbers to sweep his bases properly...my 4Es will be slaughtered

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/12/2014 11:38:15 AM

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If you capture Puerto Princessa you can almost cut off his oil artery with air power and sub power.

It sounds like he is defending a few spots with everything, leaving most spots unprotected.

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/12/2014 11:40:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Here you can see the situation... Singapore may be completely cut off the war now...
Palembang is already isolated since august 1944...

If he was throwing 1000 plane sweeps at you out of Singers, you know he has a lot of Air Support there that is nowout of play. That is a big deal for you. Bypassing Sngers is the right play for you. Build up Soerbaya ... it only takes supply which you have tons of, until you can get either Manila or HK.

He doesn't.
I think he has already moved back most of his Aviation Support. You don't really need that much if the enemy cannot bomb your bases and damage your planes on the ground.
I should sweep him and damage his planes in the air...but I cannot stand the losses connected to a multiple days sweeping operation against a base with 600+ fighters (I mean...THOSE fighters)

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/12/2014 11:43:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

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ORIGINAL: castor troy
Pax, have you seen the Ki-94 already or is this suggestion coming from just looking at the stats? The armament works perfectly in the game, both against fighters and bombers. It's not like that 40mm cannon of the Tojo that got an accuracy of 2 which really makes it useless.
I have played around with late war models to see what they can do and I can assure you, the only downside of the late war IJ aircraft is their crappy service value which all high end IJ aircraft got. Coupled with the abilitiy to pump out roughly 200/month of each high end
model you need the IJ outperforms Allied fighters for sure if you completely leave out their service value.

But then, most people won't ever see these aircraft as it needs insane R&D and then you still have to get to around 45 to see them AND you still have to have an industry then to build them. All together not the norm.

Played with it in Armageddon and Downfall scenarios. IMO, it can't hold up against the P47, let alone the P51 at 1:1. Now, if you let the IJ sweep you at 3:1 yes it will rip you right up, but then again so will Franks and Georges at that ratio.

But then I have to ask the allied player: what are you doing within 10 hexes of a major IJ base? I would never give the IJ the opportunity to sweep after 3/43 ... simply stay out of his range unless you are setting a major CAP trap ... and if you do, bring the hammer. Numbers matter, even more than plane quality (within reason).

How can you stay out of his major bases if you want to advance? I need to create multiple bases pretty close to his major ones if I want to have a chance to sweep him with my P-47s
However the P-47s and the P-51s simply don't work against KI-83s and KI-94. Neither on CAP nor on sweep. The KI94 go higher than both and is just as fast...plus I don't have the numbers to accept even a 2-1 kill ratio in my favour... my P47s pool is empty and I haven't produced them since august 1944...The p51Ds simply come at a too small rate

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/12/2014 11:46:47 AM

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If you capture Puerto Princessa you can almost cut off his oil artery with air power and sub power.

It sounds like he is defending a few spots with everything, leaving most spots unprotected.

Yes, he's defending the KEY points.
I can easily advance on smaller bases... the real problem is that it is useless if I cannot defend the air space conquered with those leaps.
Let's say I jump to Puerto Princesa... then he starts sweeping with 10 Sentais of KI.83s from Manila...after a couple of days I have to rebase my fighters back or ground them...and thus he can send the bombers to attack my shippings...
That's the real strategical problem I'm facing now... the inability to defend the conquered air space.
Just think that in Malaya I had to completely abandon the air space immediately after having conquered it. Too many sweeps...too many losses...unacceptable

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/12/2014 12:11:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: Wargmr

If you capture Puerto Princessa you can almost cut off his oil artery with air power and sub power.

It sounds like he is defending a few spots with everything, leaving most spots unprotected.

Yes, he's defending the KEY points.
I can easily advance on smaller bases... the real problem is that it is useless if I cannot defend the air space conquered with those leaps.
Let's say I jump to Puerto Princesa... then he starts sweeping with 10 Sentais of KI.83s from Manila...after a couple of days I have to rebase my fighters back or ground them...and thus he can send the bombers to attack my shippings...
That's the real strategical problem I'm facing now... the inability to defend the conquered air space.
Just think that in Malaya I had to completely abandon the air space immediately after having conquered it. Too many sweeps...too many losses...unacceptable

I am far inferior to you in technical knowledge of the game and skill and therefore my ideas may be completely wrong.

However, the basic premises in war still stand.

If the enemy groups together in strength then move around him. If the enemy spreads out then mass in strength and move through him. If he is strong on one side then press his weak side.

If he likes bombers then move in flak. And yes, build up the small bases and move forward. By now you should have enough engineers to do it pretty quickly.

Looking at the picture on the score page, it appears you have Palembang nearly isolated so his oil supply will eventually be an issue.

One last thing. Mr Kane has been playing against you for a very long time now. He knows your tactics. Maybe it is time to step back, and look at the board from different perspectives. Maybe read some AAR's and come up with a new plan.

That's the best I got ;]

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/12/2014 1:56:43 PM

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nothing you can do about how the air routine works. Having a faster aircraft sweeping you at higher alt means a win, that's just how it is. Hence why the game always has been about strato sweeps. How it always was,
how it always will be.

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/12/2014 4:11:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: Wargmr

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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ORIGINAL: Wargmr

If you capture Puerto Princessa you can almost cut off his oil artery with air power and sub power.

It sounds like he is defending a few spots with everything, leaving most spots unprotected.

Yes, he's defending the KEY points.
I can easily advance on smaller bases... the real problem is that it is useless if I cannot defend the air space conquered with those leaps.
Let's say I jump to Puerto Princesa... then he starts sweeping with 10 Sentais of KI.83s from Manila...after a couple of days I have to rebase my fighters back or ground them...and thus he can send the bombers to attack my shippings...
That's the real strategical problem I'm facing now... the inability to defend the conquered air space.
Just think that in Malaya I had to completely abandon the air space immediately after having conquered it. Too many sweeps...too many losses...unacceptable

I am far inferior to you in technical knowledge of the game and skill and therefore my ideas may be completely wrong.

However, the basic premises in war still stand.

If the enemy groups together in strength then move around him. If the enemy spreads out then mass in strength and move through him. If he is strong on one side then press his weak side.

If he likes bombers then move in flak. And yes, build up the small bases and move forward. By now you should have enough engineers to do it pretty quickly.

Looking at the picture on the score page, it appears you have Palembang nearly isolated so his oil supply will eventually be an issue.

One last thing. Mr Kane has been playing against you for a very long time now. He knows your tactics. Maybe it is time to step back, and look at the board from different perspectives. Maybe read some AAR's and come up with a new plan.

That's the best I got ;]

I can't say you're wrong, and that's what I'm trying to do. The only problem is the defence of my transports...I don't fear the AF or Port bombing...I fear the Naval attack. If I can't put CAP up in the air, it's pretty impossible to move in and out without the air cover offered by the CVs.
Actually the only way I have to advance is using the CVs as a screen for my transports... the CVs cannot be swept and that's the only weapon I have... but this makes my advance very slow

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/12/2014 4:24:49 PM

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Jan 10-11, 1945

The japs managed to evacuate 700 AVs, 700 fighters, 100 bombers and 90 aux planes in a single night from Kotha Baru....
We attacked with a huge army...just to find out that the base was defended just by a mixed regiment

...conquered the base but found none of the planes... the japs must have moved everything out in a single night and destroyed what could not be moved...

Another failed attack at Djakarta...

The allies lands base forces, engineers and AA at Singawang, while 2 regiments landed at Kuching... the japs sortied out from Singa with 150 Graces, escorted by 200 fighters... sunk 3 APAs, 3 AKAs and several AK and xAPs at Singawang... obviously I couldn't base any CAP there cause every day I got swept by 100 N2K5s from Singapore...
I had placed my CVEs in front of Singawang hoping the enemy bombers would have gone for them instead of the transports... wrong

Anyway the Japs are everywhere on retreat. They are abandoning the whole western coast of Thailand and are moving back to Bancock, Saigon and, generally speaking back to the Canon/HK line.

Several more divisions are reported to be moving back from Ambon area and SOPAC to Luzon, Mindanao and Formosa... this is very smart from him... he knows his western perimeter is now broken and there's no point defending that forward...

Oil? Well, Palembang and Java are now completely cut off. Miri and Balikapan (the only two major oil bases left in his hands) are now in range of my DDs. I think(hope) his fuel/oil situation is dire by now. We'll soon see.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 11, 45

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Pre-Invasion action off Kuching (58,88)

43 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LCI(G)-450
LCI(G)-449
LCI(G)-442
LCI(G)-441
LCI(G)-439
LCI(G)-82
LCI(G)-80
LCI(G)-79
LCI(G)-78
LCI(G)-77
LCI(G)-76
LCI-66
LCI-64
LCI-61
AMC Hector

Japanese ground losses:
222 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

LCI(G)-450 fired at enemy troops
LCI(G)-449 fired at enemy troops
LCI(G)-442 fired at enemy troops
LCI(G)-441 fired at enemy troops
LCI(G)-439 fired at enemy troops
LCI(G)-82 fired at enemy troops
LCI(G)-80 fired at enemy troops
LCI(G)-79 fired at enemy troops
LCI(G)-78 fired at enemy troops
LCI(G)-77 fired at enemy troops
LCI(G)-76 fired at enemy troops
LCI-66 fired at enemy troops
LCI-64 fired at enemy troops
LCI-61 fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards

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Amphibious Assault at Kuching (58,88)

TF 141 troops unloading over beach at Kuching, 58,88

Allied ground losses:
397 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 93 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 47 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 23 (0 destroyed, 23 disabled)

15 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 50th Indian Para Bde /4

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Invasion Support action off Kuching (58,88)

11 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
AMC Westralia
LCI(G)-450
LCI(G)-449
LCI(G)-442
LCI(G)-441
LCI(G)-439
LCI(G)-82
LCI(G)-80
LCI(G)-79
LCI(G)-78
LCI(G)-77
LCI(G)-76
LCI-66
LCI-64
LCI-61
AMC Hector

Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

AMC Westralia firing at 82nd Infantry Brigade
LCI(G)-450 fired at enemy troops
LCI(G)-449 fired at enemy troops
LCI(G)-442 fired at enemy troops
LCI(G)-441 fired at enemy troops
LCI(G)-439 fired at enemy troops
LCI(G)-82 fired at enemy troops
LCI(G)-80 fired at enemy troops
LCI(G)-79 fired at enemy troops
LCI(G)-78 fired at enemy troops
LCI(G)-77 fired at enemy troops
LCI(G)-76 fired at enemy troops
LCI-66 fired at enemy troops
LCI-64 fired at enemy troops
LCI-61 fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Singkawang at 56,88

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 191 NM, estimated altitude 41,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 52 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 87
B7A2 Grace x 69
N1K5-J George x 35

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A2 Grace: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
APA Custer
LST-708, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AK Bluefield Victory
AK Carina
DE William Seiverling, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Aeon, Torpedo hits 1
AK Eridanus
AP William Ward Burrows
xAP Lancashire, Torpedo hits 1
LST-706, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AK Gainsar
DE Silverstein
xAP Clan Macneil, Torpedo hits 1
LST-702

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
33 x B7A2 Grace bombing from 36000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
36 x B7A2 Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Singkawang at 56,88

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 138 NM, estimated altitude 38,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 87
B7A2 Grace x 58

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A2 Grace: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AKA Thuban, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
AKA Trousdale, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
AK Gainsar
AK Lesuth, Torpedo hits 1
DE Silverstein
AK Azimech, Torpedo hits 1
xAP Clan Macinness, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
AP William Ward Burrows
DMS Gherardi
LST-701, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
APA Elmore, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
xAP Aeon, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AK Eridanus
xAP Clan Macneil

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 23 (12 destroyed, 11 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
35 x B7A2 Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
23 x B7A2 Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..

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Ground combat at Kota Bharu (51,75)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 61743 troops, 1175 guns, 1229 vehicles, Assault Value = 1791

Defending force 8323 troops, 75 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 145

where have they gone?! Where are the 1000+ A/Cs based here till yesterday?!

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 6

Allied adjusted assault: 2505

Japanese adjusted defense: 24

Allied assault odds: 104 to 1 (fort level 6)

Allied forces CAPTURE Kota Bharu !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4579 casualties reported
Squads: 169 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 69 destroyed, 31 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 39 (28 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Units retreated 2

Allied ground losses:
124 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
14th Army Engineer Battalion
50th Tank Brigade
7th Infantry Division
5th USMC Tank Battalion
150th RAC Regiment
25th Indian Division
32nd Infantry Division
26th Indian Division
18th SP Field Artillery Regiment
8th Mahratta AT Gun Regiment
1st RM Heavy AA Regiment
88th Medium Regiment
15th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
50th Coastal Artillery Regiment
6th Mixed A/T Mtr Regiment
134th Medium Regiment
122nd British AT Gun Regiment
2nd Ceylon H AA Regiment
87th Medium Regiment
3rd (Special Force) Division
12th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
XXI Indian Corps

Defending units:
35th Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd INA Gandhi Regiment

Ground combat at Djokjakarta (52,103)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 34787 troops, 646 guns, 423 vehicles, Assault Value = 1049

Defending force 59395 troops, 244 guns, 109 vehicles, Assault Value = 421

Allied adjusted assault: 301

Japanese adjusted defense: 1361

Allied assault odds: 1 to 4 (fort level 6)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
255 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
642 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 118 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Guns lost 26 (3 destroyed, 23 disabled)

Assaulting units:
6th Infantry Division
1st Australian Division
4th Armoured Brigade
33rd Infantry Division
Fiji Brigade
181st Field Artillery Battalion
2/11th Field Regiment
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
7th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
II Australian
1st RAA Jungle Regiment

Defending units:
24th Ind.Mixed Brigade
103rd Division
37th Ind.Mixed Brigade
23rd Port Unit
97th JAAF AF Bn
2nd JNAF Coy
108th JAAF AF Bn
32nd Port Unit
72nd JAAF AF Bn
23rd Port Unit
21th JNAF AF Unit
32nd Port Unit
8th JNAF Coy
109th JAAF AF Bn

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/12/2014 4:36:53 PM

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He probably airlifted the troops out and the planes he just disbanded back to the pool. Fun isn�t it?

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/12/2014 7:20:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Jan 10-11, 1945

The japs managed to evacuate 700 AVs, 700 fighters, 100 bombers and 90 aux planes in a single night from Kotha Baru....
We attacked with a huge army...just to find out that the base was defended just by a mixed regiment...conquered the base but found none of the planes... the japs must have moved everything out in a single night and destroyed what could not be moved...

It will cost him in replacement costs. It's not free, and most likely the planes were destroyed if they couldn't fly.

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/17/2014 9:13:32 AM

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Jan 15-21, 1945

The operations proceed...slowly

. The japanese not only sweep and bomb my AFs, now they even send LRCAP to places I didn't think they could reach...
40 KI-83s appeared several times over Djakarta... killing hundreds of my unescorted bombers during their daily runs against enemy's positions... those damned KI.83s took off from Balikapan I guess... how many hexes?? Don't even want to know

We tried to sneak the DS to Saigon immediately after the fall of Kotha Baru... sunk several xAKs there, but failed to catch the 55th Division which was being evacuated from Kotha Baru...

For the rest nothing much happened... Now we're building fast Groot Nanotea and Singawang...thus isolating Singapore once for good. At Singa more than 2000 planes are present...gosh

and I can't even think to bomb them...

We finally started to reduce Batavia... got a 2-1 (against 6 forts) on the first attempt...after MONTHS of naval and aerial bombing... and they don't even have a (-) supply...

But I think we'll get there pretty soon now.

The KB is now lingering near Davao... my DS is at Sosarbaja...

In Thailand the Japanese are retreating towards Saigon and Camra Bay and, generally speaking, to Vietnam... Also evacuating Ambon and several other strongpoints in SOPAC and Southern DEI...

To be honest, I really think I'm not playing well... I'm out of smart ideas and I kind of have an inferiority complex at this point of the game... reading from others' AARs I realized I am really having a problem treating my LCUs... i should be a lot more careless with them and their losses...while i tend to commit them only when 100% rested and ready and when their prep is up to 90 at least...which means slow operations...predictability of moves...in few words: the allies already lost this match...not even got a 1-1 in jan 1945?...who has done worse than me?

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/17/2014 9:16:11 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

He probably airlifted the troops out and the planes he just disbanded back to the pool. Fun isn�t it?

I know, but that costs a lot...not that in jan 1945 he really cares a lot about HI points

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/18/2014 12:15:16 AM

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If you don't stop whining, and start fighting, I'm going to lash you to the wall in the Dreadfort dungeon and cut you in places that really hurt.

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/18/2014 1:28:17 AM

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with a detailed AAR plse

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 3/18/2014 5:20:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: princep01

If you don't stop whining, and start fighting, I'm going to lash you to the wall in the Dreadfort dungeon and cut you in places that really hurt.

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The towel is thrown - 3/18/2014 11:24:18 PM

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Jan 27, 28, 29, 1945

The allies try a decisive blow against Singapore, the fortress that has become a nail in their flank.
The base, with its 2000 planes based there, is a constant threat to the allied Sumatra and Java.
Sweeps and bombers all arrive from there.
On the 26th, after several days of sweeps, 300 japanese bombers attacked Osthaven, closing the fields and destroying 100 planes on the ground.
Just the last humiliation of a long serie.
So the allies decide to react.
At the same time a general attack is ordered against Batavia. The base, after months of constant and daily bombings, should be now starving. A mature fruit to take.

On the 27th and 28th, 6 SCTFs (8 fast BBs, 10 CAs, 10 CLs and countless number of DDs), supported by a CV/CVE Fleet with more than 3500 a/c, attack Singapore Harbour, defended only by some MTBs and Es.
Bombardment runs are set to 18k, in order to avoid the mines.

It's a disaster:

1 BB, 2 CLs and 2 CAs are sunk.
4 BBs are out of the war for 6 months (at least, cause the closest port is CT).
20 DDs are sunk and 18 more are badly damaged.
The fields are bombed anyway...for two days in a row...300 planes destroyed on the ground...but the base is far from being closed.
Actually, on the 29th, the allies retire their fleet and launch the air operation.
450 4Es and more than 700 fighters are thrown against the fortress.

Another disaster.

We find more than 600 planes on CAP...despite the heavy losses of the previous days.
450 of my planes are shot down. More than 250 4Es. The rest are damaged and with so low morale that they cannot be used for weeks.
And, above all, Singapore is still operative.

Batavia, on the other hand, held off the Attacks. In 4 days my divisions are down to 50% of their TOE. more than 20k losses in 3 days. Batavia holds and inflict a serie of 1-2...

I'm lost. I'm down on my knees.
My will of fighting is broken.
I've lost the war. The allies have lost. their peoples had enough of deaths. too many sons lost in the skies, on the ground (remember the 300K men lost in Burma in 1943, right?) and on the seas.
My strategy failed everywhere. I even failed to shut down a single base like Ponape...
I've been beaten. Hard to say, hard to admit, but i overstimated my capabilities.

I sued for peace. That's what i just wrote to Mr.Kane (Tom):

Dear Tom,

i'm beaten. I'm throwing the towel. White flag for me

I am lost. My strategies have all failed. My tactics have revealed unconclusive (to say the least).

On the ground i've lost all the battles i've fought.

On the seas, despite having now HUGE numbers, i'm unable to do anything of valour.

In the air, i keep on losing battle after battle.

My morale is really low. Frustrated and down.

You have really taught me an hard lesson. You won all the battles and exploited all the mistakes i've made.

Too fast, too solid for me.

Hat's off to you and i'm sorry i haven't been able to be a better and harder opponent...i think i've overstimated my abilities...still have lot to learn.

The allies still are far from reaching the 1-1 in terms of VPs...and we're in Feb 1945.

My divisions have failed to conquer the key places, losing months against objectives that are still far from being conquered, and are now in really bad shape.

My logistic is poor, despite having all the POWER of the late allied industrail machine. My fault. My blame.

My will of fighting is broken. Hard to say but it's the true.

My strategy (or what i call "strategy") has shown to be a complete mistake, just like when i lost 300,000 men in Burma in 1943. If i was a real general i would have been fired 3 or 4 times by now.

The last 3 days of battle against Singapore (i call it the 3rd battle for Singapore) ended with the distruction of the allied surface fleet and the allied 4E air fleet... for no gain at all. And 6 months ago i got exactly the same result. You played it masterfully, while i simply did everything wrong.

I don't see how can i be anywhere near Japan by Jan 1946.

I am sorry. I am really sorry, but i give up.

Yours is the victory. A very well deserved one.

You are a great player and, above all, a great opponent.

A friend by now (i hope).

Hope you understand me

Yours

Nic

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RE: The towel is thrown - 3/18/2014 11:32:54 PM

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Sorry Nic. That sucks.

This is one where the system allowing so many late war planes is just too much to handle. Mr Kane used them beautifully, but as we all know the Allies should be able to eventually win out in the air. If they can't this is the result, and I'm sure he's not happy ending the game here either.

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RE: The towel is thrown - 3/18/2014 11:46:13 PM

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Wow. Just wow!

Congratulations to Mr Kane. Good for you giving it the best, Nic.

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RE: The towel is thrown - 3/19/2014 12:33:00 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

Sorry Nic. That sucks.

This is one where the system allowing so many late war planes is just too much to handle. Mr Kane used them beautifully, but as we all know the Allies should be able to eventually win out in the air. If they can't this is the result, and I'm sure he's not happy ending the game here either.

To be honest, Erik, it's not just the air war. Surely there i have been having problems against MrKane since the beginning and, lately, things got even worse.
But he won, hands down, also on the ground and on the seas. He used SLs and forts in a way i've never seen. Always fast in replaying to my moves and counterattacking. On the seas, he has used his force very rationally, and won several decisive battles.
And mines...wow....at Singapore, in the three battles fought there, i think i have lost half of my fleets just to mines. Never seen anything like that.
Learnt a lot. Really.
In a word: a complete and total defeat. I have no excuses. If the allies do not even reach parity in VPs by feb 1945 it means they have lost. Sic et simpliciter.
Better to accept it, swallow it, learn the lesson, and move over

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RE: The towel is thrown - 3/19/2014 1:17:11 AM

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And a great game it was. Thanks to you both.

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RE: The towel is thrown - 3/19/2014 1:20:15 AM

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It is kind of sad. Another of my favorite AARs bites the dust.

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RE: The towel is thrown - 3/19/2014 7:06:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: EHansen

It is kind of sad. Another of my favorite AARs bites the dust.

The war is over not because the AAR bites the dust. The other way around actually. The AARs ends because Japan wins the war.
As some has said (i think was Pax) in my other game against QBall, where the allies threw the towel in april 1944, there are not many ways for the japanese player to win this game: an autovictory in terms of VPs or deteriorating the allied morale to a point where we can assume the western national wills to keep on fighting are no longer present. In this case, i assume that my morale is a rapresentation of the allied countries' national morales. Peoples are tired of deaths without any major victory. The last battle for Singapre was a kind of a final stress test... The clear japanese victory has given the last result of that test.

In prespective i can easily say that i made too many mistakes, strategically more than tactically.
The absence of a "plan B" for every of my major operations is probably the real reason for this failure. I have been to slow to adapt to the results of the battles, too slow to change plans, too stubborn to change plans when the first one was trashed by the enemy's reaction. In a word: i've been missing all those important features that make a good general out of an average soldier who can only follow orders.
Mr.Kane, on the other hand, has shown a very clear overall plan, rationale and flexible. He had in mind the final goal and, seeking it, he has always shown the intelligence to adapt, to change the pattern even if always following the same general route in order to "get there".

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