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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/17/2014 4:21:43 PM   
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We've had a series of great naval battles at Singapore in the last 15 days. The Musashi and Yamato have finally been put out of the war (either sunk or badly damaged), along with some 10 Modern DDs... on the other hand the allies have lost the Nevada, 5 CLs, 2 CAs and some 30 DDs (more due to mines and CD gunfire at Singa than by battleships' shells).
Singapore is a true fortress...with more than 100k men and thousands of planes. Forts must very very high too, cause even with 4 BBs and several CAs bombing the AFs never closes... my 4Es got slaughtered at least 3 times tring to assault that fortress, both by Flak and by the IJ Air Army (composed of SAMs, N1K5 and K48r ).

However we've conquered Malacca with a combined operation of para and barges and have now estabilished there a foothold of 1000 AVs, cutting the only road and railroad that connects Singa with northern Malaya and Thailand. The Japs tried to push me out but a tank division failed to do the trick in time, thanks to the intervention of my Navy who bombed the hell out of it.

Surat Thani is also conquered by paras...but that base is too isolated and the Japs managed to counterattack and surround my troops... too bad!

In Sumatra we've pushed back an army composed of 2 Divisions out of Padang towards Djambi...now we're moving fast both to Djambi and Benkoleng... at least 7 Jap divisions are still based in Sumatra, while I count 8 more divisions in Malaya

We've managed to push out the 29th Army of Alor Star and are now advancing towards Singora... fierce air fightings all over the place with heavy losses on both sides.

Allied naval losses are tremendous... especially in terms of DDs... but we're doing (finally!) a fine job on the ground, even if Mr.Kane still has a powerfull army which is a terrible enemy when behind forts.

A very fun game however... with the KB still at its zenith and the allied DS that is slowly becoming a factor

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/19/2014 8:36:34 PM   
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31 July 1944

.... Japanese dominions on Sumatra are really shrinking....




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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/19/2014 8:37:20 PM   
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while in malasya....




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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/19/2014 10:53:06 PM   
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The brave men at Surat Thani have finally fallen. They lasted 3 weeks. More than what i could hope. Enough time given to their companions at Alor Star
to be able to finally cut the road and Railroad from Surat Thani to Kotha Baru. Now Southern Malaya is succefully isolated from Bankok.


Ground combat at Surat Thani (51,68)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 33199 troops, 882 guns, 458 vehicles, Assault Value = 595

Defending force 18867 troops, 205 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 276

Japanese adjusted assault: 394

Allied adjusted defense: 197

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Surat Thani !!!

Combat modifiers
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Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
385 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 35 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Guns lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
19810 casualties reported
Squads: 665 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 445 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 250 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 254 (254 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 11 (11 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 9

Assaulting units:
5th Guards Division
Guards Tank Division

Defending units:
31st Infantry Division
Lushai Brigade
158th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
16th LRP Brigade
3rd Commando Brigade
1st USN Naval Construction Regiment
38th US Naval Construction Battalion
36th US Naval Construction Battalion
23rd USN Special Const Bn /1

A bad defeat, but strategically it was a winning move

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/20/2014 4:26:31 AM   
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You are making amazing progress despite your early setbacks!

Have you started bombing the oil yet? I assume you have?

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/20/2014 10:04:18 AM   
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Well, consider that I'm following a couple of HRs that are influencing a lot this game:
1- No Night Bombing except for Nav attacks
2- No 4Es against LCUs

So, yes, we've strat bomb a bit... but in daylight is pretty suicidal, unless you find a weak target. I've taken out 2/3 of Miri's production and now Magwe is in my hands. With Palembang under siege I think the only safe oil route remains the one in south Borneo (Balikapan and Tarakan), along with Java.

Now, August 3, 1944, we've successfully pushed back a tank division and are ready to march to Singora. The enemy is railing several divisions from Bankok...so I guess it's gonna be a statle mate soon... but with the roads and RailRoads blocked just one hex south of Singora, nothing will be moving south.

Ground combat at 50,72 (near Alor Star)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 53071 troops, 873 guns, 1078 vehicles, Assault Value = 1781

Defending force 13739 troops, 341 guns, 669 vehicles, Assault Value = 272

Allied adjusted assault: 1467

Japanese adjusted defense: 311

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1

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Japanese ground losses:
2716 casualties reported
Squads: 52 destroyed, 22 disabled
Non Combat: 107 destroyed, 52 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 172 (110 destroyed, 62 disabled)
Vehicles lost 214 (136 destroyed, 78 disabled)
Units retreated 5
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
308 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 40 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
50th Tank Brigade
37th Infantry Division
23rd Indian Division
25th Indian Division
32nd Infantry Division
754th Tank Battalion
11th PAVO Regiment
III Indian Corps
168th Field Artillery Battalion
8th Mahratta AT Gun Regiment

Defending units:
2nd Tank Division
48th Field AA Battalion
11th Mortar Battalion
1st RF Gun Battalion
7th RF Gun Battalion
29th Army
22nd Fld AA Gun Co
1st Ind. Field Artillery Battalion




What I've found in this game is that even in 1944, the allies aren't able to control the skies. Never.
His KI-84rs kill everything isn't a P-47s. The 2nd mvr band rule makes those beasts unbeatable.
And I cannot bomb him back either... simply too few planes that can sweep bases with 1000 fighters (as I say, only the P47s is a viable option because it's the only one that can fly above 31K) and his concentrated flak is HORRIBLE, even at 20k feet!

I gotta do the old way...advance and conquer small inches of ground...and slowly strangle him...but it takes time and lots of patience

Now we'll see what we can do at Palembang. If we can conquer it, things should be changing pretty fast. As soon as I get a port on the eastern side of Sumatra south of Singa, i'll be able to really threaten his rear defensive lines

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/20/2014 10:54:03 AM   
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His KI-84rs kill everything isn't a P-47s. The 2nd mvr band rule makes those beasts unbeatable.
And I cannot bomb him back either... simply too few planes that can sweep bases with 1000 fighters (as I say, only the P47s is a viable option because it's the only one that can fly above 31K) and his concentrated flak is HORRIBLE, even at 20k feet!



And what about F6F? Hellcat is also able to sweep above Ki-84r max celling

Everybody are telling that Ki-84r is so great plane. Is this true that he is so much better from "a" version? Minimally better speed and climb rate plus maneuverability bands and that all. On paper he should be only marginally better

If this is true and 2nd mvr band rule is making from Frank r real killer i cant wait to have it in my game

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/20/2014 11:23:38 AM   
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His KI-84rs kill everything isn't a P-47s. The 2nd mvr band rule makes those beasts unbeatable.
And I cannot bomb him back either... simply too few planes that can sweep bases with 1000 fighters (as I say, only the P47s is a viable option because it's the only one that can fly above 31K) and his concentrated flak is HORRIBLE, even at 20k feet!



And what about F6F? Hellcat is also able to sweep above Ki-84r max celling

Everybody are telling that Ki-84r is so great plane. Is this true that he is so much better from "a" version? Minimally better speed and climb rate plus maneuverability bands and that all. On paper he should be only marginally better

If this is true and 2nd mvr band rule is making from Frank r real killer i cant wait to have it in my game


It is true. It's decent for sweeps at strato-levels, but good Allied planes in defense still do fine, but defensively if you can't sweep over it this plane will eat you alive. Matched with fast climbing J2M5it's tough with the 2nd best HR.

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/20/2014 11:53:54 AM   
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What Erik said.

I think as far as HRs go the "2nd MVR band" one is probably one of the most disruptive and damaging ones.

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/21/2014 7:33:01 AM   
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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/21/2014 7:47:50 AM   
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Make sure you destroy the HI/LI at Singers!

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/21/2014 7:57:01 AM   
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Singer is untouchable! 100k men, behing probably 8 or 9 forts. at least 300 CD guns, at least 4/500 mines, with countless number of heavy AA units and 1000 fighters (KI-100s, SAMs, N1K5s, J2M3s, KI-84r...). I've already lost 200 4Es, several cruisers and DDs trying to close it down...simply impossible. Not even 3 bombing runs the same night with 5 BBs, 5 CAs, 5 CLs and not less than 70 DDs did the trick... despite heavy losses on the ground the following morning my 4Es arriving over it found more than 300 fighters on CAP!.
The "economic war" will take another course: not destroying the HI but conquering/destroying the oilfields. With Miri at 55/300, with Djambi at 50/200 and isolated, and with Palembang that will soon be conquered or neutralized, the Japs will remain with only Balikapan and Tarakan as decent oil sources in the DEI. I need to be patient... brute force won't work in this match and I'm not keen to tolerate any more major losses for no gain at all

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/21/2014 8:11:43 AM   
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I don´t think I will have to ask how your 4Es pools are! ;)

Btw, with your "no nightbombing" HR have you been able to use the B29s at all? I have found they get shot down just as easy as the B24 despite their 350 MPH speed. 1 B29 for each airborne fighter.

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/21/2014 5:49:10 PM   
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Pretty good positions GJ but how much of his DEI oil production have you cut off or shut down? Does not look like he has any air defense of Palembang so I am assuming that you have bombed it out already.

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/22/2014 1:39:42 AM   
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Singer is untouchable! 100k men, behing probably 8 or 9 forts. at least 300 CD guns, at least 4/500 mines, with countless number of heavy AA units and 1000 fighters (KI-100s, SAMs, N1K5s, J2M3s, KI-84r...). I've already lost 200 4Es, several cruisers and DDs trying to close it down...simply impossible. Not even 3 bombing runs the same night with 5 BBs, 5 CAs, 5 CLs and not less than 70 DDs did the trick... despite heavy losses on the ground the following morning my 4Es arriving over it found more than 300 fighters on CAP!.
The "economic war" will take another course: not destroying the HI but conquering/destroying the oilfields. With Miri at 55/300, with Djambi at 50/200 and isolated, and with Palembang that will soon be conquered or neutralized, the Japs will remain with only Balikapan and Tarakan as decent oil sources in the DEI. I need to be patient... brute force won't work in this match and I'm not keen to tolerate any more major losses for no gain at all


FANTASTIC!!!

You have 100K of troops bottled up in one place meaning they cannot be somewhere else ;]



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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/22/2014 11:25:59 AM   
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Pretty good positions GJ but how much of his DEI oil production have you cut off or shut down? Does not look like he has any air defense of Palembang so I am assuming that you have bombed it out already.



Palembang is well defended and still untouched. 300 fighters based there. 7 forts and heavy AAs... i still need some time to reduce it.

Reached August 18, 1944...

Heavy fightings at Singora, where the allies are close to conquer the base. Forts down to 0 and heavy casualities on jap side.

Pantani has been evacuated. Japs are now defending Kotha Baru with a huge army.

The allies got a bloody nose in their first assault at Palembang...2 Jap IDs defending...7 forts...an US division mauled. Forts not reduced

Japanese SAGs reported supporting the defence of Singora. More SAGs reported at Batavia.

Allied subs completely useless...


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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/22/2014 11:26:47 AM   
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Singer is untouchable! 100k men, behing probably 8 or 9 forts. at least 300 CD guns, at least 4/500 mines, with countless number of heavy AA units and 1000 fighters (KI-100s, SAMs, N1K5s, J2M3s, KI-84r...). I've already lost 200 4Es, several cruisers and DDs trying to close it down...simply impossible. Not even 3 bombing runs the same night with 5 BBs, 5 CAs, 5 CLs and not less than 70 DDs did the trick... despite heavy losses on the ground the following morning my 4Es arriving over it found more than 300 fighters on CAP!.
The "economic war" will take another course: not destroying the HI but conquering/destroying the oilfields. With Miri at 55/300, with Djambi at 50/200 and isolated, and with Palembang that will soon be conquered or neutralized, the Japs will remain with only Balikapan and Tarakan as decent oil sources in the DEI. I need to be patient... brute force won't work in this match and I'm not keen to tolerate any more major losses for no gain at all


FANTASTIC!!!

You have 100K of troops bottled up in one place meaning they cannot be somewhere else ;]





mmm...yes, but i need to neutralize Singapore if i want to advance towards Borneo....

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/22/2014 12:05:15 PM   
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Allied subs completely useless...


You are starting to sound like me...

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/22/2014 1:02:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Wargmr


quote:

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Singer is untouchable! 100k men, behing probably 8 or 9 forts. at least 300 CD guns, at least 4/500 mines, with countless number of heavy AA units and 1000 fighters (KI-100s, SAMs, N1K5s, J2M3s, KI-84r...). I've already lost 200 4Es, several cruisers and DDs trying to close it down...simply impossible. Not even 3 bombing runs the same night with 5 BBs, 5 CAs, 5 CLs and not less than 70 DDs did the trick... despite heavy losses on the ground the following morning my 4Es arriving over it found more than 300 fighters on CAP!.
The "economic war" will take another course: not destroying the HI but conquering/destroying the oilfields. With Miri at 55/300, with Djambi at 50/200 and isolated, and with Palembang that will soon be conquered or neutralized, the Japs will remain with only Balikapan and Tarakan as decent oil sources in the DEI. I need to be patient... brute force won't work in this match and I'm not keen to tolerate any more major losses for no gain at all


FANTASTIC!!!

You have 100K of troops bottled up in one place meaning they cannot be somewhere else ;]





mmm...yes, but i need to neutralize Singapore if i want to advance towards Borneo....


With that much firepower there I would be looking at the strait between Sumatra and Java for an assault on the west side of Borneo and let Singapore rot for a while. They either have boatloads of supply (which is also good because that means it is not somewhere else) or they will start starving eventually.

However, I am far from an expert on your game and I am sure there are many other considerations I am not taking into account ;]


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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/22/2014 4:01:15 PM   
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Well, you are at the point where he won't be able to run much supply into Singapore. So it does not matter where you fight him on the peninsula. It is going to burn up his supply.

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/22/2014 4:08:12 PM   
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Well, you are at the point where he won't be able to run much supply into Singapore. So it does not matter where you fight him on the peninsula. It is going to burn up his supply.

... or where you aerial bombard/naval bombard on the peninsula, same thing.

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/22/2014 4:55:08 PM   
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After 20 days of harsh fightings, the III Indian Corp managed to conquer Singora, thus completely defeating the 29th Jap Army, that has been pushed back from Alor Star all the way to Singora. Now the Peninsula is really cut in two
and we have a small but important sea access on the easter side of Malaya.
The last days of fightings saw a desperate attempt by a strong SAG led by BB Fuso to support the demolished 29th Army. Despite the heavy bombings, the allied troops managed to hold their own and, also supported by 200 medium bombers (lost 35 due to flak in 4 days!)
we gave them a very good hit


round combat at Singora (51,72)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 41693 troops, 856 guns, 651 vehicles, Assault Value = 1155

Defending force 47766 troops, 1242 guns, 974 vehicles, Assault Value = 639

Allied adjusted assault: 1042

Japanese adjusted defense: 505

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Singora !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
14811 casualties reported
Squads: 246 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 803 destroyed, 44 disabled
Engineers: 185 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 743 (740 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 854 (854 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 8

Allied ground losses:
354 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 92 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
37th Infantry Division
754th Tank Battalion
25th Indian Division
IV Corps Engineer Battalion
26th Indian Division
III Indian Corps
18th SP Field Artillery Regiment
168th Field Artillery Battalion
88th Medium Regiment
209th Cmbt Engineer Battalion
33rd Medium Regiment
2nd Indian Field Regiment
8th Mahratta AT Gun Regiment

Defending units:
5th Guards Division
10th Exped.Force
2nd Tank Division
Guards Tank Division
2nd Machine Cannon AA Battalion
7th RF Gun Battalion
22nd Fld AA Gun Co
1st Ind. Field Artillery Battalion
11th Mortar Battalion
170th JAAF AF Bn


North of Kotha Baru, our armies are facing another strong Japanese Army

Ground combat at 51,74 (near Kota Bharu)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1773 troops, 116 guns, 88 vehicles, Assault Value = 734

Defending force 43100 troops, 1045 guns, 114 vehicles, Assault Value = 851

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
81st (West African) Division
38th Infantry Division
72nd British Brigade
134th (East Ang) Regiment
122nd British AT Gun Regiment
86th Medium Regiment
28th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
87th Medium Regiment
3rd (Special Force) Division
XXI Indian Corps

Defending units:
29th Division
55th Division
37th Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Ind.AA Gun Co
31st Ind.AA Gun Co
45th Ind.AA Gun Co
2nd Medium Mortar Battalion

While the 3 divisions the Japs had at Taiping fell back towards Kuala Lumpur last turn...


Near Palembang we're pretty exposed to enemy's aerial attacks cause we still don't have enough AV support in the area....But I hope to be able to estabilish the air supremacy over Southern Sumatra within the next month.
However Palembang will be a very tough nut to crack... 800 AVs behind 7 forts in swamp terrain?...



Another big plan is undergoing.... more infos soon....





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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/22/2014 5:12:01 PM   
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Another POW Camp!!!

You need like 300 AV to hold them there. The better to invade the HI with ;]


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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/22/2014 8:37:11 PM   
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However Palembang will be a very tough nut to crack... 800 AVs behind 7 forts in swamp terrain?...

Luckily you don't need to crack it because AFAIK in DBB refineries do not produce supply. If you can prevent him from extracting fuel from Palembang which if it has not happened will happen soon, Palembang is worthless to Japan. Other than it's oil and refineries it's pretty strategically insignificant. Because of that I would simply bypass and ignore Palembang.

If I'm wrong about the supply production then taking it down will be tough - in that case I'd probably just destroy the refinery and still bypass it. No sense getting bogged down in 3x terrain of a level 7 fort of a base if you don't have to.

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/22/2014 8:43:53 PM   
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Depends on the version. In more recent versions they did things with daily supply and/or industry to make up for that at many locations due to unintended consequences.

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/23/2014 2:54:51 PM   
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August 20, 1944

After 20 days of harsh fightings, the III Indian Corp managed to conquer Singora, thus completely defeating the 29th Jap Army, that has been pushed back from Alor Star all the way to Singora. Now the Peninsula is really cut in two
and we have a small but important sea access on the easter side of Malaya.
The last days of fightings saw a desperate attempt by a strong SAG led by BB Fuso to support the demolished 29th Army. Despite the heavy bombings, the allied troops managed to hold their own and, also supported by 200 medium bombers (lost 35 due to flak in 4 days!)
we gave them a very good hit


round combat at Singora (51,72)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 41693 troops, 856 guns, 651 vehicles, Assault Value = 1155

Defending force 47766 troops, 1242 guns, 974 vehicles, Assault Value = 639

Allied adjusted assault: 1042

Japanese adjusted defense: 505

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Singora !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
14811 casualties reported
Squads: 246 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 803 destroyed, 44 disabled
Engineers: 185 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 743 (740 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 854 (854 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 8

Allied ground losses:
354 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 92 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
37th Infantry Division
754th Tank Battalion
25th Indian Division
IV Corps Engineer Battalion
26th Indian Division
III Indian Corps
18th SP Field Artillery Regiment
168th Field Artillery Battalion
88th Medium Regiment
209th Cmbt Engineer Battalion
33rd Medium Regiment
2nd Indian Field Regiment
8th Mahratta AT Gun Regiment

Defending units:
5th Guards Division
10th Exped.Force
2nd Tank Division
Guards Tank Division
2nd Machine Cannon AA Battalion
7th RF Gun Battalion
22nd Fld AA Gun Co
1st Ind. Field Artillery Battalion
11th Mortar Battalion
170th JAAF AF Bn


North of Kotha Baru, our armies are facing another strong Japanese Army

Ground combat at 51,74 (near Kota Bharu)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1773 troops, 116 guns, 88 vehicles, Assault Value = 734

Defending force 43100 troops, 1045 guns, 114 vehicles, Assault Value = 851

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
81st (West African) Division
38th Infantry Division
72nd British Brigade
134th (East Ang) Regiment
122nd British AT Gun Regiment
86th Medium Regiment
28th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
87th Medium Regiment
3rd (Special Force) Division
XXI Indian Corps

Defending units:
29th Division
55th Division
37th Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Ind.AA Gun Co
31st Ind.AA Gun Co
45th Ind.AA Gun Co
2nd Medium Mortar Battalion

While the 3 divisions the Japs had at Taiping fell back towards Kuala Lumpur last turn...


Near Palembang we're pretty exposed to enemy's aerial attacks cause we still don't have enough AV support in the area....But I hope to be able to estabilish the air supremacy over Southern Sumatra within the next month.
However Palembang will be a very tough nut to crack... 800 AVs behind 7 forts in swamp terrain?...



Another big plan is undergoing.... more infos soon....






GJ why bother? Just bomb the oil. Palembang serves no real strategic value. In fact, once you are established on the Malay peninsula there is no real need for anything but a few bases in Java. Singapore is the big objective because of it's valuable shipyard. Java never really played into my plans and I just let it rot. I did not even bother with Indonesia save to bomb the oil. Singapore opens the potential to drive East. Indochina is a trap for Japanese forces and you can easily move up the coast of China towards Formosa.

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/23/2014 3:08:36 PM   
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There's a peculiarity in this game that, probably, I wasn't able to describe or explain much: we do not have any air superiority anywhere, not even over our own bases.
We've been able to conquer that part of Malaya with gamble. Para-drops and fast transports. But my TFs aren't safe anywhere. Not even at Sebang, where I have 1700 Aviation support and 300 fighters... Hordes of KI-84r come sweeping at 38,830 feet whenever I try to raise my CAP and everything get slaughtered.
The 4Es cannot bomb anything which is protected.
Singapore has 600 3rd generation fighters and more than 1300 of them are based between Kotha Baru and Jahore Baru and SInga.
I tried. God knows I tried to bomb Singapore or Kotha Baru. 250 P-47s on sweep at 42,000, followed by 90 B-29s and some 200 Liberators "J". Fun, right?
No. For 5 days I've tried that.
For five days I got slaughtered.
More than 80 planes shot down by flak (flying between 15 and 20k), 200 bombers lost in A2A. P-47s often shown up after the bombers (despite taking off from the same "super" base of Sebang). 200 Hellcats lost on escort...and, above all, Singa was always operative. Damages were minimal.

Then I tried the combo: Naval bombing + 4Es... same results. Several ships sunk due to mines or CD guns. The AF never closed...and the following morning my 4Es got slaughtered again.

So, the problem is... Palembang is the only possible port on the other side of Sumatra. If I don't get it, I cannot bypass Singapore. Having reached the sea at Singora and Pantani worths nothing because my ships can't get there. We can't bypass Singa and we can't reach Palembang by sea.

He can keep on sending convoys full of supplies to Singa. I simply cannot avoid it. My subs are sunk constantly or rendered useless. I even tried fast DD raids...but I can't pass Singapore... if I don't get sunk by mines+CD guns (already lost a complete TF composed of 3 CL+8DDs in that way), I got sunk by his dive bombers the very next morning.

If I could get Palembang then i'll have a port south of Singapore and I could start to move eastwards... Untill that moment, the door to the east is blocked

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/23/2014 4:16:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

There's a peculiarity in this game that, probably, I wasn't able to describe or explain much: we do not have any air superiority anywhere, not even over our own bases.
We've been able to conquer that part of Malaya with gamble. Para-drops and fast transports. But my TFs aren't safe anywhere. Not even at Sebang, where I have 1700 Aviation support and 300 fighters... Hordes of KI-84r come sweeping at 38,830 feet whenever I try to raise my CAP and everything get slaughtered.
The 4Es cannot bomb anything which is protected.
Singapore has 600 3rd generation fighters and more than 1300 of them are based between Kotha Baru and Jahore Baru and SInga.
I tried. God knows I tried to bomb Singapore or Kotha Baru. 250 P-47s on sweep at 42,000, followed by 90 B-29s and some 200 Liberators "J". Fun, right?
No. For 5 days I've tried that.
For five days I got slaughtered.
More than 80 planes shot down by flak (flying between 15 and 20k), 200 bombers lost in A2A. P-47s often shown up after the bombers (despite taking off from the same "super" base of Sebang). 200 Hellcats lost on escort...and, above all, Singa was always operative. Damages were minimal.

Then I tried the combo: Naval bombing + 4Es... same results. Several ships sunk due to mines or CD guns. The AF never closed...and the following morning my 4Es got slaughtered again.

So, the problem is... Palembang is the only possible port on the other side of Sumatra. If I don't get it, I cannot bypass Singapore. Having reached the sea at Singora and Pantani worths nothing because my ships can't get there. We can't bypass Singa and we can't reach Palembang by sea.

He can keep on sending convoys full of supplies to Singa. I simply cannot avoid it. My subs are sunk constantly or rendered useless. I even tried fast DD raids...but I can't pass Singapore... if I don't get sunk by mines+CD guns (already lost a complete TF composed of 3 CL+8DDs in that way), I got sunk by his dive bombers the very next morning.

If I could get Palembang then i'll have a port south of Singapore and I could start to move eastwards... Untill that moment, the door to the east is blocked


I just want to say that it's refreshing to read about these kinds of results from an Allied dog (even if you have played Japan in other games, you're an Allied dog in this one!) without a defeatist tone. It sounds like you're drawing up a new plan.

If I were in your position, I'd probably thrust at Balikpapan while maintaining enough forces in Malaya to try again there if he moves things east for defense. It sounds like he has so much stuff at Singapore that he might be a bit thing elsewhere.

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 1/27/2014 7:50:49 AM   
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Boy, with seemingly everything Japanese tied up in that theater (AAA, LCUs, av support, fighters, etc.), I wonder how a NorPac or CenPac thrust would work. Of course, you can't just switch your axis of advance on a dime.

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CC

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RE: India again??...why always me?!!? - 2/2/2014 6:48:18 PM   
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