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RE: Iwo-Jima Defeat - 9/15/2013 1:24:01 AM   
GaryChildress

 

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ORIGINAL: hades1001

Hi all,

Want to share the battle of Iwo-Jima in my game with Hongye San.

A perfect start and disastrous end.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 31, 44

Naval bombardment, landing, air raid and beachhead bombardment are all perfectly executed.

All troop 100% preparation, Command HQ, corps HQ present, unloaded in one turn, abundant supplies.

The only problem is I had over 60,000 troops and they are disrupted a little at the beginning.
And there were more than expected Tojos on the island, equal to almost 3 divisions. And This is actually how much the island can hold without much penalty.

I have fought my way to Iwo-Jima and had experienced so many atoll/island battles and I never seen something like this.
I was hoping to get a 1:1 for the first day...but...

My question is: Is there a hidden bonus for Jap? To simulate the bloody battle of the history? :)


This is kind of interesting. Maybe a little off from an historical perspective. Originally the IJA had a bit over 22,000 troops on the island and the US came with over 60,000. In your game the Americans are 50,000 plus and the Japanese 35,000 plus. So the numbers are more in Japanese favor than was historical but the allied casualties seem a bit high for one day of fighting. 24,000 is almost the number of casualties suffered by the allies over the entire 35 day battle let alone one day.

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RE: Iwo-Jima Defeat - 9/15/2013 1:36:12 AM   
Cpt Sherwood

 

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Shock attack is mandatory in atolls like Iwo...



Geographically, Iwo Jima is NOT an atoll...


It's not an atoll in the game either, but it is size 2, which also will trigger a shock attack.

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RE: Iwo-Jima Defeat - 10/26/2013 10:44:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hades1001

Ground combat at Iwo-jima (108,77)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 53802 troops, 903 guns, 2027 vehicles, Assault Value = 2508

Defending force 35339 troops, 530 guns, 217 vehicles, Assault Value = 996

Allied adjusted assault: 191

Japanese adjusted defense: 1465

Allied assault odds: 1 to 7 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
2687 casualties reported
Squads: 67 destroyed, 69 disabled
Non Combat: 14 destroyed, 55 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 158 (54 destroyed, 104 disabled)
Vehicles lost 23 (10 destroyed, 13 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
24417 casualties reported
Squads: 619 destroyed, 403 disabled
Non Combat: 1246 destroyed, 147 disabled
Engineers: 127 destroyed, 29 disabled
Guns lost 519 (380 destroyed, 139 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1407 (1348 destroyed, 59 disabled)
Units destroyed 5

It may seem like unlucky roll, but your loses are far too high. I would guess Japanese troops were very fresh (no disabled squads) before this landing, so you were defeated during fire-fight already.

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RE: Iwo-Jima Defeat - 10/26/2013 12:57:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		have you finished off Iwo yet? How did it go after this first landing?

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RE: Iwo-Jima Defeat - 10/28/2013 2:24:43 PM   
hades1001

 

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Status: offline 		Yes sir I have finished Iwo-Jima Campaign.

I loaded all the troops the next day and returned to base.

There is no way to take Iwo-Jima this time since 90% of my 60,000+ troops have lost power.

two of my best divisions are completely destroyed.

one division only have like 30 infantry squads left

Americans tasted a bitter defeat here in Iwo-Jima. (at least in my game)


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have you finished off Iwo yet? How did it go after this first landing?


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RE: Iwo-Jima Defeat - 11/1/2013 2:16:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Shock attack is mandatory in atolls like Iwo...



Geographically, Iwo Jima is NOT an atoll...

Is iwo a size 2 island?

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RE: Iwo-Jima Defeat - 11/1/2013 3:28:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1


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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Shock attack is mandatory in atolls like Iwo...



Geographically, Iwo Jima is NOT an atoll...

Yeah, volcanos and coral don't mix that well.

But in game, I'm pretty sure it is classified as an atoll.

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